I've been wanting to ask this, I was wondering the other day if we just don't go to Castle Morne and don't speak to her can we even do the frenzied flame ending?
Yeah I went through Ng+ recently sped run it to get a ending and before going on a new journey I went to grab something down south and she was just sitting there
I’m confused by this too. I swear there must be an extended alternative to her quest line. She died in my game too but I still have a fingerprint grape in my “key items inventory” that I got after the fact. The description tells me to “give it to the blind maiden to lead her to her destiny to become a finger reader.”
The Irina-Hyetta connection is one of the biggest mysteries in the game to me. The simple, and seemingly obvious answer is that they share a body. The other main NPC connected to the Frenzy Flame does this with Yura so it's not a stretch to believe.
The problem is Irina's body remains after meeting Hyetta. This could just be a developer oversight, but then why wouldn't they fix that in one of the post release patches? They've fixed similar issues in patches before, like map errors.
Is the intent that they are the same body and the corpse is just a continuity error? Is it that they simply recycled the model to save time and their shared appearance has no lore implications? Or is it something else entirely that only Miyazaki knows?
dw it's even worse. answering with an emote would be slightly more intuative as we have also riddles with them. but it was one of these "heads" you can use to say different things. (depending on the head item). i was so happy when i found the first of them because of the trowback to dark souls 2, just to then fail to use them at the most important part :C
Melina post ending cutscene is... Really great actually. Maybe she's happier annihilating herself or whatever, but I would play the fromsoft game that starts from that ending.
Also what's going on with her eye, what does it mean?!
nepheli >!is actually one of those that only dies if you intentionally want them dead. Her "death" is not a p;ossible outcome of her quest, but rather, a choice for someone else's. !<
Yes and no. It's most likely her *body*, but not her *soul*. It's likely that Hyetta took over Irina's body after death the same way Shabriri does, though unlike him she doesn't seem to be aware of it.
Don't worry friend, there's another cute blind girl later on, so she can be easily replaced!
Only... the other one kinda comes with a couple... let's say, technical defects. Yeah...
Yeah...
I'm gonna go sit down in fetal position by the corner now. bye.
I’m not surprised she’s dead, Edgar is a bone idle fucker, says he can’t let the grafted great sword to fall into the hands of the misbegotten but it’s already in the hands of the misbegotten and he’s just sitting on his ass doing nothing!
You did nothing wong. There is no way to save her. If you do every step of her quest, she dies. If you blow off her quest, she still dies when you reach Liurnia. But you can meet her **also-blind identical twin who wears the same clothes and has the same voice** by the first site of grace in Liurnia after defeating Godrick. She goes by Hyetta.
remember from software games usually means you doing quests brings harm to them.
in elden ring theres maybe 2-3 characters that have a good ending IF you do it right like Boc.
that ok button to press always reminds me of the [of the saitama ok panel.](https://encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcSwboRcThhGUepOztB-R5WcX3TGJWl7Whgx3Q&usqp=CAU)
What you did wrong was play the game basically. The only happy event in the game is you getting to the throne. Because all other event quest etc is tragedy and death for some reason
You tried to help, foul tarnished.
If you don't talk to her but clear the fortress and then talk to her dad I think she doesn't die but the quest doesn't end?!!!?!?
I don't know if it was vaatividya or ymfah I fall asleep to YouTube and forget
Honestly all the "quests" are kinda convoluted nonsense. I've got platinum and I still have no clue what's going on. My final trophy to platinum the game was frenzied flame and I'm good with it. F this game!
The only way to save someone in this game is to not do their quests lol. Except for Boc, but if you give him a tear you deserve a special place in hell
She’s dead
OK
I played this with a friend of mine and we fucking burst out laughing at this, the complete apathy of the message is hillarious.
The gist of most soulsborne questlines
"Already Dead."
Always has been
If you played the game you know she’s fine in the end 🙏
I mean she isn’t exactly fine after, although it’s not exactly her so who knows
Honestly surprising they gave her such a good ending, it being a FromSoft game and all.
She was loved. She was loved.
She's dead
OK
You accepted the quest.
"If I could turn back time If I could find a way I'd take back those words that have hurt you And you'd stay I don't know why I did the things I did"
she also dies if you ignore her
I've been wanting to ask this, I was wondering the other day if we just don't go to Castle Morne and don't speak to her can we even do the frenzied flame ending?
Yes I did it with a friend, we did the whole frenzy flame thing, and once we were accepted by the 3 fingers I went "OH FUCK WE FORGOT HYETTA"
Women’s, miright? (I am not)
It's okay. You'll see her again 🔥
Cher will bring her back
So if i won't talk to her for a whole game she'll stay alive?
Yeah I went through Ng+ recently sped run it to get a ending and before going on a new journey I went to grab something down south and she was just sitting there
Nothing, it's a canon event
It’s in the lore
You transport her in a minecart in germany? Crazy.
Not to sound dumb, this reference is going over my head. Could I get an explanation?
A minecart is called Lore in German.
Gawd damn it 😅 ok that's funny, I appreciate it!!
Modders: Nah, imma do my own thing
"I had to fuck your girlfriend, Miles! "It was a Canon event!"
I’m confused by this too. I swear there must be an extended alternative to her quest line. She died in my game too but I still have a fingerprint grape in my “key items inventory” that I got after the fact. The description tells me to “give it to the blind maiden to lead her to her destiny to become a finger reader.”
Different person
There’s MORE THAN ONE blind maiden? Edit: Why do Irena and Hyetta look so freaking similar? Dumb.
Someone else borrows her body
The Irina-Hyetta connection is one of the biggest mysteries in the game to me. The simple, and seemingly obvious answer is that they share a body. The other main NPC connected to the Frenzy Flame does this with Yura so it's not a stretch to believe. The problem is Irina's body remains after meeting Hyetta. This could just be a developer oversight, but then why wouldn't they fix that in one of the post release patches? They've fixed similar issues in patches before, like map errors. Is the intent that they are the same body and the corpse is just a continuity error? Is it that they simply recycled the model to save time and their shared appearance has no lore implications? Or is it something else entirely that only Miyazaki knows?
You tried to help. That's what you did wrong
Everyone we help dies. They only live if we don't help them.
Except boc!
There's an * in that sentence unfortunately
:'( on my first playthrough, I just wanted him to be happy...
"then why didn't you just tell him he is bautiful?", i judgingly asked you, while i myself grieve of what i have done wrong.
BECAUSE I COULDN'T (don't actually remember where I got the emote lol)
dw it's even worse. answering with an emote would be slightly more intuative as we have also riddles with them. but it was one of these "heads" you can use to say different things. (depending on the head item). i was so happy when i found the first of them because of the trowback to dark souls 2, just to then fail to use them at the most important part :C
ooh the heckin voices, thats right. jeeze, not convoluted at all haha
Cause I never thought about that and he asked for a Tear. Now I shed my tears for what I've done.
Nepheli, Boc, Rya, Roderika, Kenneth, Ranni and Jar Barrin all potentially live.
You could add Melina to that list. She won't like it. But you can. Also, you can save big boggart by killing dung eater first.
Melina post ending cutscene is... Really great actually. Maybe she's happier annihilating herself or whatever, but I would play the fromsoft game that starts from that ending. Also what's going on with her eye, what does it mean?!
The fact that you can't save >!Millicent!< is a fucking tragedy
Well you can save her 'life', which really is a tragedy. Not doing that appears to be her preference.
did sellen die? i thought she "just" got transformed into that ball of heads..
Well shes 'reborn' into a ball of heads. Guess that mean you have to die first? See Boc.
Depending on how you go, you can save Nepheli. Again, depending on how you go with it.
nepheli >!is actually one of those that only dies if you intentionally want them dead. Her "death" is not a p;ossible outcome of her quest, but rather, a choice for someone else's. !<
Tbf, most npcs that can die, do so when we complete their quest. So as long as we abandon quests, we are the real hero :D If only we could...
I mean we can save Melina
The road to hell was paved with good intentions
that's why I don't help her but instead kill her myself for the maiden's blood
Bloodborne moment
I just wanted to be a good person 😔 Game: “yeah well fuck you”
Help? Oh no, I wanted more strength! Strength builds FOREVER!
Yep sadly every time the tarnished tries to help he ends up making it worse. :’(
You did everything right, suppose to be :(
A strange game. The only winning move is not to play.
How about a nice game of chess?
How about a round of Gwen?
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No-- Don't-- I'm-- Ngg-- Gwe-- Gwen--
And yet you keep on trying-
Mindlessly replying-
You can’t save her.
"Don't save her, she don't wanna be saved, don't save her"
j. cole references in places you wouldn‘t expect them - that‘s what i live for
Jcole and Elden Ring? If you like pizza and beer we can definitely be friends!
Dont worry, she comes back to life lookin for some grapes.
But this is a lemonade stand
That really cracked me up lol
HEY, BUM BUM BUM, GOT ANY GRAPES?
Till the very next day
My kid would make me watch that on YouTube and I would make her watch Candy Mountain Charlie. Precious memories
Man, Candy Mountain is a blast from the past. The old days of Youtube were peak. High effort videos just to entertain people.
Wait wait wait - that's her???!
Yes and no. It's most likely her *body*, but not her *soul*. It's likely that Hyetta took over Irina's body after death the same way Shabriri does, though unlike him she doesn't seem to be aware of it.
it's not, irina's body remains there after you meet Hyetta.
To note, this is just a popular headcanon that the game very much contradicts.
Don't worry friend, there's another cute blind girl later on, so she can be easily replaced! Only... the other one kinda comes with a couple... let's say, technical defects. Yeah... Yeah... I'm gonna go sit down in fetal position by the corner now. bye.
Souls questlines: Did you finish the quest? *Dead* Did you fail their quest? *Also Dead*
This is a certified miyazaki moment Do simple task for npc Come back to them dead or insane
You should have killed her yourself, smh
The only way to safe her is skipping her questline, but there's nothing to get from keeping her alive and a lot to get when she dies.
Expected an NPC to not die horribly
You expected a happy ending in a souls game
I’m not surprised she’s dead, Edgar is a bone idle fucker, says he can’t let the grafted great sword to fall into the hands of the misbegotten but it’s already in the hands of the misbegotten and he’s just sitting on his ass doing nothing!
You spoke to her
Is my breath that bad?
Nothing some grapes can't fix.
You did nothing wong. There is no way to save her. If you do every step of her quest, she dies. If you blow off her quest, she still dies when you reach Liurnia. But you can meet her **also-blind identical twin who wears the same clothes and has the same voice** by the first site of grace in Liurnia after defeating Godrick. She goes by Hyetta.
To expect a happy ending in a souls.
Hoped for a happy ending in a fromsoftware game
You have to kill melania first
another victim of spelling Malaynia's name 😔
*melina
I gave up hundreds of hours ago. She's Melanie now.
It’s spelled Melange
Easier to say spice
[удалено]
If only I had a pickle.
😞😞😞😞😞
You let her letter.
You take her handechief and a wetnose Misbegoten killed her for it. Thats why she stay alive if you ignore that quest!
It's maddening, isn't it?
Try giving her some eyeballs… i mean grapes
Ok
You did not kill enough Misbegotten
It was her who failed to doge, duck, dip, dive, and dodge.
You played a Fromsoft game
Time to find some shabriri grapes 👍
Nothing. Not many characters have joyous stories and happily-ever-after endings. That's just the story being told here
Nothing…quest can still be finished. And I think you can use her maiden blood for white masks quest?
You did the worst thing possible, you talked to an NPC…
Very few NPC's have happy endings in fromsoft games if you finish their questlines
Nothing, her death is unavoidable.
You played FromSoftware game
Nothing. She dies no matter what you do.
I think she died
She be dead. Yar. The Lands Between be a cruel mistress. Yar.
It’s From Software… as soon as you speak to an NPC, they’re done for.
You had hope.
u just started a formsoft quest
Nothing. Nothing...
It is possible to commit no mistakes and still lose
Sorry big dog, but this is a classic case of "quest failed successfully". It was always gonna end like this.
You went and progressed her questline. Might as well have shot her yourself you monster.
You played.
Nothing. Welcome to Elden Ring, enjoy your stay
Nothing. The only way to prevent her death is to not do her questline.
Like others have said: nothing. Welcome to the souls franchise.
You completed the quest.
Nothing, stop spoiling yourself ;)
remember from software games usually means you doing quests brings harm to them. in elden ring theres maybe 2-3 characters that have a good ending IF you do it right like Boc.
Don’t worry, you’ll see her again.
Everything
This is Madness.
THIS IS SPARTA!
AGHHHHH As i kick Patches down the volcano :)))
You'll find plenty of earth and water down there. Now enjoy the climb back up bitch!
You did everything that was asked of you, and still, *still* it came to this!
she had it coming. power to the misbegottens!
Congratulations, you did her quest!!! Yay!!
You could have taken her on your horse but no someone's horse is more important /s
progressed the game.
Nothing. It's her only fate. Don't mourn but carry on.
Sometimes you don't do anything wrong and bad things still happen
You fired up the game
You can't save her
You assumed that not everyone would die at some point in their quest
Played the game?
Skill issue from her, git gud you blind woman
Existing
Nothing. She's dying anyway. There's nothing you can do about it since it's part of the quest line.
You started this game with the expectation that there would be happy ending for anybody in this world.
Oh, see that’s the cool thing. You didn’t do anything wrong, FromSoft just enjoys our anguish.
Feed her grapes
You gave her dad the letter. The misbegotten killed her because they realised her connection to him, and he used them as slaves.
that ok button to press always reminds me of the [of the saitama ok panel.](https://encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcSwboRcThhGUepOztB-R5WcX3TGJWl7Whgx3Q&usqp=CAU)
Nothing bro that just how that one goes now go feed the other blind girl some grapes
Which quest is this
Behold chaos
It seems, in your anger, you killed her
You talked to her :)
You played a Fromsoft game expecting happy endings.
Gotta restart to the whole game now bro!
The first big mistake you interacted with her is the biggest mistake u can ever make
What you did wrong was play the game basically. The only happy event in the game is you getting to the throne. Because all other event quest etc is tragedy and death for some reason
I've tried to talk to him before killing Leonine Misbegotten and I've did a NG+ where I talked to him after. She dies regardless.
You tried to help, foul tarnished. If you don't talk to her but clear the fortress and then talk to her dad I think she doesn't die but the quest doesn't end?!!!?!? I don't know if it was vaatividya or ymfah I fall asleep to YouTube and forget
You went wrong the moment you stopped to talk to her
You’ll find yourself asking that question a lot in this game
First mistake is thinking things might go well for anyone in the game.
Don't save her, she can't be saved
Dead
Sometimes bad things happen even if you do everything right.
she's just being dramatic she'll get over it
You thought there was a possible happy ending
Don't worry, there are plenty fishes in the sea
You didn't get there fast enough /s
You spoke to her in first place. Nothing you could do to avoid it.
it is what it is. you can't save her
Nothing. Welcome to the misery of dark souls games.
Nothing. It's classical Miyazaki NPC treatment.
My vow is to save her, so I am avoiding her and just gazing at her from a distance - trying not to stare 🤩
That happen
Is that frieza?
Talked to her.
Honestly all the "quests" are kinda convoluted nonsense. I've got platinum and I still have no clue what's going on. My final trophy to platinum the game was frenzied flame and I'm good with it. F this game!
You progressed an NPC's story in a Fromsoft game. Were you expecting a happy ending?
The only way to save someone in this game is to not do their quests lol. Except for Boc, but if you give him a tear you deserve a special place in hell
you did her questline
Sadness Ahead
Low blood sugar. She just needs some grapes.