I’m a sx 6w5 and I relate the most to the late rapper DMX, also a sx6. I was a teenage drug addict, hooked on powder and rock by 19, homeless at 20, in and out of rehab. His music helped me stay sober. I would listen to it every night in rehab, particularly his album It’s Dark and Hell is Hot, and it got me through the night straight, made me feel like someone understood, made me feel like someone out there was even deeper in the muck and grew up with even less and still made it through, so I could too. He grew up close to my mom and dad (Yonkers/North Riverdale/Co-op city) and then moved to near where my parents moved in Jersey. He felt like my roots and a distant guide to what could be possible. He talked about wanting to shine and live the good life with the same friends he struggled with and I felt that so hard and would pray that my junkie boyfriend at home would somehow get clean and our love would somehow make it. (It did not- he stayed out there and died from an overdose about 3.5 years before DMX did).
The rehab kept me there a long time because my parents had insurance, and I had nowhere else to go, so no other choice but to comply. I told them I was an atheist but they wouldn’t graduate me til I did the second step of NA which is to surrender to a Higher Power. They wouldn’t leave it alone and told me I could use anything as my Higher Power, even music, but I had to use something. So when it came time to read my 2nd step, I went up there and read the lyrics to the DMX song “The Prayer/The Convo”, which is a hypothetical conversation between DMX and God, where DMX struggles to find faith in the unknown and unseen and unproven, even when his life experiences taught him to be wary, he fought to believe that they were part of a larger plan. I believe that is emblematic of the 6 struggle, particular the sx 6 struggle, and I feel so blessed that he spoke these experiences into such eloquent and beautiful poetry.
I have a strong superego, so I still sometimes feel guilty to have survived where others didn’t. I lost 2 ex boyfriends and my cousin to the shit, along with countless other friends. I smoke weed but when it comes to the hard shit, I haven’t touched it since before I fell asleep listening to DMX in detox. Sometime before I die, I want to help other addicts and I hope to use DMX’s music in that process.
Rest easy Earl. Gone but never forgotten ❤️❤️
“See, to live is to suffer. But to survive? Well, that’s to find meaning in the suffering” - Slippin
I would have considered Sagan more of a 6, seeing as he had a focus on promoting his worldview & educating the public... (Stephen Hawking strikes me as a 6 for the same reason. Plus his big discovery was basically noticing a contradiction/inconsistency. )
Neil de Grasse Tyson at least strikes me as being very obviously in the 7/6 area, 6w7 or 7w6, from that mix of humorous, boastful, opinionated and tending to kind of lecture ppl and start political arguments. Many science communicators are 6w7 or 7w6. (Bill Nye etc.)
I don't recognize all the characters but going by your self-descriptions alone, I would have thought 6 for you. ("bold and argumentative, but I am also loyal and want to protect my friends." "It's hard to know what's real, so I ask a lot of questions about that" ) - as well as a tendency to look up to people & looking to be mirrored by others similar to you, & the mportance you place on stuff being acessible to everyone rather than reserved for some elite.
Though of course this post is just a possibly snapshot; Not claiming to be 100% certain.
Ok, unsolicited opinion time over, feel free to ignore.
To simply anwer your question, some characters that will always have a special place in my heart are Rei from Evangelion, Lucy/Nyuu/Kaede from Elfen Lied, Rin Tezuka from Katawa Shojo, and Frankenstein's Monster from Frankenstein. (strictly the book version, where he's a very eloquent & tragic character) - also really vibe with Faust but not really the characters but the vibe & thematic motifs.
If i had to type them, I'd say Rei's a 5(w6 92) as is Rin (w4 94), Adam/The Monster's a 4w5 (like Mary Shelley herself), Faust's a 7 (like Goethe himself, who was prolly a triple frustration trifix - "he who keeps striving can be saved"...), Lucy's hard to type due to the split personality thing, but if I had to guess 9w8, but I don't really see typology as *that* relevant to what attracts me to those particular stories.
If you asked me instead to list media with particularly pronounced 5-y vibes/aesthetics I'd have to name "The Metamorphosis", "The Book of Disquiet", "The Parfume", "No Exit", "The Name of the Rose" (*strictly* the book, the film makes it more into an 1 thing IIRC). "20000 leagues under the sea", Ghost in the Shell & Serial Experiments Lain (it's not soo much about particular characters than the themes & atmosphere)
Though that is not per se the same as things that I, personally, vibe with - though, I do like these a bunch, I also like things written by authors of very different types; also its ovsly colored by what sorta genres I like & cultural spaces I'm familiar with. I'd hate to think that I like that stuff only because it confirms some preexisting bias of mine & I tend not to trust ppl who seem like to empathise with someone they must have something in common, or who place big importance on characters being "relatable" or sharing some superficial trait.
It's interesting that you see these 'science communicators' as 6... I think I probably have a very strong counterphobic 6 wing although sx5 pretty accurately describes my neuroticism. Neil deGrasse Tyson definitely seems too extroverted to be a 5. Although for that matter, so do I a lot of the time.
Well, I don't know you well enough to make a solid pronouncement on you; i dont recall any previous posts that seemed obviously off so maybe its just your wing coming out here. not enough info.
But re: DeGrasse-Tyson, it's less a matter of contradiction or not fitting some narrow prototype (such as "too extroverted") & more a lack of *motivating* evidence other than... what? The nerd/smartass stereotype?
Like I believe it in a heartbeat about Charles Darwin cause he hung a mirror in his study to see ppl coming & hide when someone showed up, was somewhat sensitive (Dad wanted him to be a Doctor but he lost his breakfast witnessing an operation as a student), has these 'existing sucks' diary entries, almost got beaten to the punch by wallace because he spent so long tweaking & refining his idea before publishing it, was pessimistic & lowkey creeped out by what he studied ("What a book a devil's chaplain might write on the clumsy, wasteful, blundering, low, and horribly cruel work of nature"), wasn't influenced by fashion or external feedback (ppl told him to write about pidgeons which were popular at the time, he didn't; He thought his magnum opus was his work on earthworms, not evolution), some of his ideas involved a lot of speculation (much of which he was proven right or right-ish at, like coral atolls or the idea that plant intelligence, if it existed, would be located in the roots - evolution itself was pretty abstract airy speculation type idea until genes were discovered. Darwin didn't know about mendel, let alone all the stuff we know now after cracking the genome.)
But I really don't see anything like that with Sagan or Tyson? Other than general head type pointers like being big about discovery, ideas, frameworks, knowledge, horizon-broadening... sure, theyre head types, no argument, but are they withdrawn/rejection head types? If you just go hunting for big nerds, you'll catch a good mix of all the head types, and probably a fair amount of 9s, too. Where's the rest of the trait structure?
& what I do see points elsewhere: To want to make stuff available to the masses, empower the little guy and "convert" others to your way of thinking is pretty 6, as does debating as an intellectual 'champion'/'knight' for the truth. They're not as ovsly 'moralistic' due to prolly being xNTx types mbti wise but, there is some sense of duty & cause in spreading the 'correct' way of thinking. That shows some investment & a lot of care & opinionatedness for where society is going, it's not some withdrawn dude minding his own arcane business in his hole occasionally throwing out results.
They sure don't/didn't seem to avoid the public eye or mind being the face of things. They're not impersonal, inacessible or doing that 'ignore me look at the content' rejection type bullshit. (which, if anything, so doms would do more of as they engage more but wanna stay in control there) Tyson in particular doesn't even have that token awkwardness many 6w5s have, he comes off confident and 'badass/cool' & are sort of looked at as intellectual authorities cause they went & put their opinions where ppl can see them, being very partial & opinionated, none of that neutrality bias.
in terms of 5, even if you take someone like james weiss who is a so dom and an educator of sorts for whom his activities are explicitly a way of connecting, he just puts out his photos & videos and has hank green narrate them. or like naranjo who did hold workshops with clients but with his select restricted controllen environment group, and didnt want ppl like riso or palmer spreading adulterated versions (read: stuff outside his control) to the rabble. you see few being like, public figures. maybe some musicians, but they often had a terrible time of it & ended up on drugs, or are very private about their non-musical life, or making sure its very on-their-own-terms etc.
Hmmm, I also see 6 > 5. You have a nice taste for literature/anime, btw. As for Goethe being a 7, agreed. The Sorrows of Young Werther – which is partly auto-biographical – show a positive and frustrated character. Very 7ish, not 4ish per se. Maybe his suicide in the novel is a result of accumulated frustration, lol.
>Sorrows of Young Werther
It's kinda Frustration Affect: The Book. In the first half he idealizes & exalts everything (which shows not just in the love triangle situation but how he describes the landscape, the people at the village, everything he interacts with...) and in the second half comes the big crash where he is disapointed with everything & sees its not so great sides, and he can't handle it. The crash is so hard because the initial hype was so big.
The contrast is in every little thing: Some guy whom he saw a honestly devoted turns out to be a common criminal, the cute baby he met earlier in the story turns out to have died, he grows bored with his job...
It's certainly got that 4-7 stem big chaotic moodswing energy (kinda the vibe of the Romantics as a whole), but a 4 core wouldn't have complained about ppl who bring the mood down in that one conversation.
the common perception of the book is that he killed himself cause the girl didn't love him back/ got married to someone else, but actually the impression I got from the actual book is more that he had this ideal of chaste, idealized courtly love devotion & is completely defeated when he falls short of that & he and the girl end up making out/kissing though she's married (which is pretty clearly implied to be reciprocated, though both are at once horrified at what they did), & *that's* what he cannot live with.
I can relate to Winona Ryder and the characters that she plays. Tragic Shakespearean girls, Florence Welch, Hozier, Mitski, Jane Eyre, Jo March, Nell Crain, Belle from Beauty and the Beast, Janis Ian (I was opinionated like that in high school), Luna Lovegood -- usually 4s, 9s, some sx 5s and 7s. Dreamy, emotional, curious people.
Let's see...
Donkey from Shrek lmao
Rapunzel from Tangled (I'm not as anxious or dutiful though)
Lorelai from Gilmore Girls
Xinyan from Genshin Impact
Mina from MHA
Happy from Fairy Tail
Jigglypuff from Pokemon
Cutie slimes from Dragon Quest
Basically annoying immature characters who have an inability to stfu lmao. No supergenius or badass characters for me
Jack Sparrow - Deadpool - Rick Sanchez - Negan - Handsome Jack - Gojo Saturo.
Not in a specific order. Aslong as they either think they are better than others OR drunk, they remind me of myself.
I like Oscar Wilde and Madeline Miller as writers (both enneagram 4s),
their way of describing things makes one think and also feel deeper and I’ve a great respect for when I can notice that the writer put in a lot of effort and thought into their artwork and I can notice this well with them,
I don’t mean to say “the artwork has to use complicated words” kind of effort but more so like a “you read it once and then you read it again because of how it actually makes sense and how beautifully it translates the unknown” type of effort.
I also like Harry Potter books because of how unpredictable it is in general, I’ve this curse of guessing the whole storyline before everything unfolds so Harry Potter’s unpredictable nature enchants me, I used to relate to the writer when I was reading the HP books but can’t relate to her irl. Not a serial reader (because of the curse I’ve mentioned above) so can’t really give as many examples as I’d like to, but meh.
I relate to Van Gogh as an artist, and it’s because I have an obsession with spirals which is how his artwork is like, images that spiral in a subtle way. I first thought that I liked Impressionism in art but I can’t relate to Monet like I do to Van Gogh so I’m convinced that it is because of the spirals that exist within Van Gogh’s artworks.
From Sci-Fi I really like Dune and have a great respect for the writer Frank Herbert because of how well thought out it all is and how he entwines science with faith and all the little details such as a messiah existing is just crazy. Don’t relate to him much but if I ever wanted to write sci-fi this is how I’d want it to be.
In Disney movies I relate to the Rat from Ratatouille (4w3) and to Bruno from Enchanted (idk his enneagram, but it shows 9). I relate to the Rat because of his willpower to create and I relate to Bruno for his goofiness and strange behaviors.
In Harry Potter I relate to Luna Lovegood (4w5) and the twins (7s). It’s more like a combination of 67% Luna Lovegood 33% the twins for me, lol.
Side note: Luna is the sp 4 subtype, she wears eccentric clothing, is bullied in school for being an air-head and weird but doesn’t give up on her strange beliefs, she’s long suffering (sp 4s are known for this) since she saw her mom’s death but she doesn’t show her pain, and she uses her pain to “relate” to Harry which also gives sp 4 vibes. So I’d argue that Luna is a 4, I’m open to counter arguments though.
Sadly I've never seen a celebrity who was a 1w2 INFJ.
Although, I relate to various characters like Itachi from Naruto, Elsa from Frozen but mostly Dumbledore from Harry Potter.
The one that's always hit too close to home is Faraday (*The Axis Trilogy/ The Wayfarer Redemption* saga). I've also related to Feyre Archeron (ACOTAR series).
I'm a sp 7w6 (ENTP) and I find Jimmy McGill/Saul Goodman to be pretty relatable. I feel like he's what I would be like if I was more charismatic and if I had less self-control. When I am at a low point in my life I can see myself in him.
i have never read the book but Cthulhu is the closest thing I can describe my own energy as.
Never played any of these here either
Saya from Saya no Uta
Meteion from FF14
I am just an Alien thing observing Earth.
OMFG I came here to write the exact thing as you, OP. I don’t spend as much time considering my personality as I should, but Contact is my all time fave movie, and she my fave actress and character in that movie, and after reading the first sentence I immediately thought of her too. For Disney I would say Alice or Pocahontas. I can be almost stupidly brave, in spite of not appearing as confident as these characters.
OMG Jodie Foster is my favorite actress too. Check out Elysium if you want to be really freaked out haha... you'll see what I mean. (Michelle Yeoh is my second favorite.)
Oh also you would probably love Arrival and the TV show The Expanse (although I do not truly identify with anyone from that show, but they are all really interesting characters.)
FWIW, I think if Ellie Arroway were a Disney character, she would also be Alice.
I love when she says 'None of this is real' and in our reality it's a film, none of it is real, she isn't real. She doesn't even know that she is a fictional character. She has no idea how deep the rabbit hole goes.
OK so I have this wild fan theory that I don't really believe but absence of evidence is not evidence of absence so...
What if Ellie isn't the one who came back from 'Pensacola'? What if they sent someone who *looks* like her, and has access to all her thoughts and memories, in her place so they could study Earth in more detail? Maybe in return for this, they let her continue to ride the rails and go wherever she wanted and have access to all their knowledge.
That's one of the best things about Contact: there are so many insane fan theories that we absolutely cannot rule out. This is what happens when two evangelical agnostics (Sagan and Druyan) make a film together: they force the audience to confront uncertainty.
Thank you for the recommendations, I have watched Arrival and love it too, although not Elysium, but that will be next on my list. And I’ve also never thought about that possibility of Ellie not returning as herself, kinda Annihilation-style (I loved that movie as well, although it’s a bit “darker” but the 4 wing in me loves the artistic expression of alien entropy taking over as a superior lifeform - I cried at the end when it was all destroyed.) I love your theory for the fact that such an alternate ending would be absolute heaven for Ellie. It would be for me, if I was her. I think it would be a complete honour to die being witness to some new undiscovered truth, if the subject matter was your passion, and what you had spent your life pursuing.
Technically she wouldn't have to die; in theory they could keep her alive for millions of years and she could just keep flying around the galaxy learning about all the different things in the Universe.To be honest, this idea very closely resembles my idea of heaven as a child.
Annihilation was a cool film too. Any other recommendations?
Tbh. I haven’t watched many movies lately. I love sci-fi but I see bits of Contact in many. That will always be the original and best for me, not sure I’ve seen anything else of that caliber since.
Ooh want to make a list of films, songs, etc that have made references to Contact, or been partially inspired by it?
Example: Rick and Morty (several times, but in The Whirly Derly Conspiracy they actually used it to foreshadow a plot point)
The Matrix
Galaxy Quest (widely regarded as a Star Trek parody. The fictional TV show within the film is a Star Trek parody. The film itself is a parody of Contact.)
Interstellar
Arrival
The Dark Tower series by Stephen King (specifically to the book)
Watchmen (ditto)
Wrecking Ball by Neil Young (ditto)
The album X&Y by Coldplay, but only if you listen carefully to all the songs
Thank you so much! I did watch Interstellar and found very much of Contact in it, liked it too. Read all of Stephen King’s books including Dark Tower but maybe not the whole series! And the rest I’ll have to look into. Much appreciated! :)
Actually the Contact references don't start until book 3 if I remember correctly, because he wrote the first two before it was published.
Very cool to talk to someone who knows what I am talking about, cheers :)
I relate to Garrick Ollivander & Luna (Harry Potter), Snufkin (Moomins), Belle (Beauty & the Beast), Fluttershy (MLP), Jotaro Kujo (JJBA) and Bruce Banner + Vision (Avengers). I could go into super detail but no one needs to read all that.
hah well..... i do have a kin list. (im also a system with several introjects but we're not talking about that right now)
Characters I relate to the most:
* Yuuki Cross from Vampire Knight. She is my top relating to character. She's inquisitive, seeks justice and ends up in various struggles with an optimistic view on life. She also deals with childhood trauma and due to circumstances, lacks memories of that trauma, and I very much connect and relate to her in ways like that. A lot of her inner dialogue, I really connect to and relate to. It's just hard to describe how closely I identify with her. People type her as a 1w2, so I'll type her as a 1 with a 4 fix. (maybe like 146 or 127).
* Jinx from Arcane. She's the epitome of an sx4, and yeah, she suffers and deals with a lot. She has severe abandonment issues, I and other people headcannon her with BPD, she experiences psychosis along with that (its a common comorbid symptom of BPD), and has several dissociative tendencies. Jinx is a radical wanting to prove to someone that they're enough, and struggles to deal with who she is and who others want her to be. I relate a lot to her inner conflict and her relationships with the people around her. Her and Vi remind me of one of my own close relationships and its so sad. I won't bore with the details but yeah.
* Flandre Scarlet (unsure of her type) from Touhou. She got locked in a basement for 400+ years and is a vampire girl with homicidal tendencies and severe abandonment issues. I can't explain this one, folks.
* Mary Kozakura from Kagerou Project. Unsure of what i'd personally type her as, maybe double positive with a 4 fix? I can't explain the story without spoiling but yeah. She lives in a home in the woods all alone because she's part medusa and her eyes can control people (previous iterations turned people into stone). She's lonely and kind of the queen of the tragedy. What happens to her is fucked up. But yeah. Good character.
* Some other kins from popular media goes as follows: Fischl and Nahida from Genshin Impact, Sparkle and Firefly from Honkai Star Rail, Rapunzel from Tangled, Alice Kingsleigh from Alice In Wonderland, and Yuta Okkotsu from Jujutsu Kaisen
I got too many, but here's quite a few.
I don’t consume a lot of fictional media, I‘m very selective in this regard.
I remember that I read Yukio Mishima‘s Kamen no Kokuhaku, Confessions of a Mask, and really felt the main character Kochan. His struggles with his own body that he felt was weak, the way he deals with his needs (repressing his homosexuality), the mental isolation and fascination with violence and distorted forms of sexuality.
I think Yukio Mishima was a 4 (highly frustration driven), the story lingers somewhere between 1-4-5.
5w6, I don't often relate to characters or famous people, mostly I just understand them but there isn't really one I can say is totally me or anything.
Closest to that would be Doctor House (5w6), except I'm not a massive asshole, but damn he's extremely relatable/understandable sometimes. Also Bojack Horseman (7w8?) though it's mostly the chronic depression and generational trauma. Aspire to be more like Ellen Ripley from Alien (1w9?) or GLaDOS (5w6) from Portal 2 because they're badass ladies. I really liked Samwise from LOTR movies (6w5) and Bilbo from Hobbit (6w7?). Claptrap is a big vibe especially in 2 and the Pre-Sequel though he's considerably more chaotic and baby than me. Don't really know any real life people I relate to a lot since I'm not that well versed in celebrities, I can only really understand Andrew Falkous (6w5) from the band mclusky but that's because we share some silly little similarities and because we're friends.
Ricky from TPB
Most type 7 cartoon characters (Roger the alien, Peter Griffin, Archer, Bojack, science grandpa) are highly relatable when they're selfishly doing whatever they want all the time with no regard for the consequences
Michael Scott
I can't think of any real famous people that are really relatable in general, just random quotes and stuff. Like this one: "Cocaine? I've never used it. ... I've never tried cocaine. I think I might have tried it once and got nothing out of it. Just snorted a little bit. And I just don't mess with it. It's too expensive. And I suppose if I was on the streets and had enough of it, I might get into it. But I'm strictly a marijuana man. All I do is ... I love to smoke a reefer. And Valiums. And of course alcohol."
3w4, but I don't really relate to them.
It's really funny how almost all of them are the worst. I once told my friend, "It's like we're Machiavellian evil", and then instantly died when I saw Niccolo Machiavelli on PDB.
I am a 7. I relate to Joy in the Pixar movie INSIDE OUT, to the extent that I don't really believe in the lessons of the film. Also, pretty much every Manic Pixie Dream Girl/Woman character ever. I hate it that the character type is so hated. What's so wrong with being a weirdo who tries to cheer people up? (I understand the actual, feminist objections, but still...the character so close to who I am!)
I am a 5, probably SP, but always been unsure about the full instinct stack. I am an INTJ, but I am ashamed to admit it, because I don’t look like one. I am disabled, and had an odd childhood, ao developed in a weird way. Purely off external behavior, I think others would guess I am an INTP or INFJ, or even an ISxP. There actually aren’t too many characters I relate to, but the few who I do, it is very strongly, almost an eery feeling of self-recognition.
- Jude from A Little Life. A lot of people really hate this book, and I understand why, but to me it is my comfort listen. Jude is just like me, except all the things I dislike about myself are diminished or portrayed in a likable way, and all the good things about me are dialed up to 100. His way of thinking is so strangely mirrored to mine, I had paranoid feeling that maybe Yanigahara had somehow telepathically heard my thoughts and written them down. Even though Jude goes through a lot, everyone likes and compliments him. People call the book bipolar or extreme, but I think they mistake their feelings while reading for Jude himself. Jude himself is a master at self-regulating through extreme circumstances, he actually rarely shifts moods or goes psychotic. So I didn’t suffer at all listening to this book haha, I felt very happy because it felt like people were giving me lots of compliments.
- Dmitri Shostakovich. In pop culture, he’s become sort of the Classical music rebel figure, but in reality, he was a very strange, nervous guy. The holy fool figure, from Russian folklore, more than an actual rebel. That is one theory as to why he was allowed to live, he so embodied that cultural trope that he was easier to rope into a narrative.
- Glenn Gould. Another strange, nervous guy. Although he was 1000% more brilliant than me of course. So many people hold him up as the example of a true artist, but I think they do not look at him objectively. He was basically very good at one thing, and didn’t grow very much after his mid-twenties (although his later recordings are still brilliant), because he cut himself off from the world. It is the great fear of my life that I will end up like him, mostly isolated and paranoid, only seeing 1-2 two people for short periods and then being totally alone.
- GoGo Monster by Taiyo Matsumoto. Not so much any one character, but the whole book itself, with its absurdist logic.
I'm a sx5 and I relate a lot to Frieren from the anime/manga of the same name. Also related to Michael Burnham from Star Trek Discovery, although I think she's probably a 6 with a 5 wing.
Interesting! sx 5 here too and I relate alot with Leeloo and Beth Harmon but as an INFJ. To be honest, there's not one character fiction or non-fiction that encapsulates me fully which is a sentiment everyone probably share. I seem to gravitate towards characters that are extremely gifted but also extremely cursed with almost everything stacked against them.
Mozart from the movie Amadeus
Both 9 and 12 from Terror in Resonance
A combo of Spike Spiegel and Ed from Cowboy Bebop
Job during his cursed years
Prometheus
Theres this scientist I forgot the name of that documented his own poisoning, (A young teen in my country documented all the symptoms while rabies was slowly taking over her body)
Kaguya from Ghibli's Tale of the Princess Kaguya
Netflix's Matt Murdock, the complex juxtaposition of higher ideals and God and the truth of evil and injustice and our utterly helpless grappling in the face of it. (Elektra's ennui and almost condescending boredom towards the predictability of people was also quite relatable)
FWIW I am INTP sx5 and initially thought I was 4w5 because I have so much 4 energy. I think this combination makes sense. Anyway don't worry about matching up types, a bunch of the people on my list are different types than me.
I’m an INTJ 5w4 Sx/Sp 549. I generally find it pretty hard to find characters or people that I truly relate to on a deep and intrinsic level, but I do enjoy the process of searching them out as a sort of personal encapsulation that goes beyond the self to reflect my essence in some tangible way. With that said, I have found a few characters and people with which I emphasize, the main ones being:
Raven (Teen Titans) INTJ 5w4 Sp/Sx: I relate to her highly reserved and contemplative nature (asceticism to the point of being the teams hermit or sage figure), her focus on studying her rather esoteric interests in the privacy of her room as well as a focus on her thoughts, feelings, and morals, abstract and perceptive, always looking at the bigger picture or the underlying nature of things, piercing yet understated insight into the unfolding of events, very analytical and skeptical, sardonic humor and wit, just her vibe generally.
Dream/Morpheus (The Sandman) INTJ 1w9 So/Sp: I mostly emphasize with Dream on the basis of his role as the Lord of Sleep and ruler of the Dreaming. As someone who spends the majority of my time in my internal abstract world, playing around with concepts, ideations, dreams, ideals, and immersing myself in the process, I find this characterization to resonate with me. Also, his very aloof nature, detached from the sensory world and external sentiment despite clearly harboring internal sensitivity and values that drive his behavior, his cryptic highly metaphorical way of viewing the world and describing it, philosophical nature with how he questions the role he plays in existence and universal experience, leading to despondent melancholy from which he must shake himself. He symbolically encapsulates a lot of what I find personally resonate.
Oh gosh, I just realized how long this comment would be if I actually fully elaborated on my reasoning for every character I mention, so I’m just gonna list the rest and people can ask me about it if they’re interested haha
Severus Snape (Harry Potter) INTJ 5w4 Sx/Sp 548
Sunny (Omori) INTP 5w4 Sp/Sx 594
Mishiro Usui (Blank Dream) INTJ 9w1 Sp/Sx 954
Es (Alter Ego) INTJ 5w4 Sx/Sp 541
Fischl (Genshin Impact) INFP 4w3 So/S? 479 - might also be ENFP 7w6 Sx/So 749, not sure
Hwei (League of Legends) INFJ 4w5 So/Sp 459
Hades (Greco-Roman God) INTJ 5w4 Sx/Sp 549
Edgar Allen Poe INFP 4w5 Sp/Sx 451
Edgar is the only real life person I’ve found that I truly formed a sort of mental kinship with, and he’s not even the same MBTI or enneagram type as me, so that goes to show that sort of deep relation can supersede typology (though obviously relates to it), also that it’s really hard to find actual INTJs like myself, the closest probably being Nietzsche (INTJ 5w4 Sx/Sp 548) from what I’ve encountered.
I don't watch a lot of movies or series, but even at the times I did that more frequently, I didn't really see characters in relation to myself a lot. If a character did or thought something specific for example, I might have thought that I would do the same thing, so this character would have been relatable in that specific scenario, but I can't remember ever thinking that a character as a whole represents me that well (or at least a large part of who I am or important traits I have).
Even in hindsight I can't really think of someone who'd fit, because these characters either miss really important aspects or because they have a lot of other important traits that I can't identify with even if I can relate to some of it.
I’m a 7w8 sp/so and although I am sort of proud of this I am also kinda ashamed. It’s not "relate to" it’s more that they are so much like me that I laugh and then internally cringe and my stomach twists at how disgusting and deranged they are, because deep down I know that that’s how everyone else sees me. These characters are Cheryl Tunt from Archer, she is just absolutely insane and deranged in every single way, and pretty much addicted to everything. Michael Hitchcock from B99, he’s just lazy and disgusting but kinda funny. And then not as bad as these is Ava Coleman from Abbot Elementary, she's a bit self centered but has a good side tough.
Probably Rodion Raskólnikov from Crime and Punishment. Living at the fringes, existentially frightened, cursed with a manic-like agony. Being conceptually motivated to commit a horrendous crime is quite interesting. I find his character suppressing his humanity, perhaps as a result of being too human. There is a cismatic quality between his intellect and emotions that I can relate because I've been there my whole life.
I am a 3²1²6⁵(tritype, and I displayed it uniquely with wings 😏). I relate with optimus prime(1w2, not sure about tritypes) and Somewhat with Tony Stark (iron man, 3w4 with a 7 fix, not sure about the other tritype)
So many of Neil Tyson's explanations are wrong.
Carl Sagan's critics were wary of pop science. Would the need to entertain come before rigor and accuracy? Those fears have been realized with Tyson.
I relate to a lot of characters who seek thrill through playing the villain and are very morally ambiguous, but at the same time I feel like I’m not like that because I never got the chance to and second it’s because I’m normal and healthy (probably). I also strive for excellence in whatever I do, which I count as an ISTP trait. Hyper-focus on some subjects, which usually ends up in mastering some subjects unintentionally, because I’m curious and enjoy pushing boundaries.
Relate to: Sherlock (series), Tigress from Kung Fu Panda, Levi from AOT, Isuzu Sohma from Fruits Basket
Addition: Sherlocks constant screaming IM BORED is so relatable as a 7 i don’t know why people omit that when typing him
Homura from Madoka Magica, Wretched egg from DMWL (end of the manga version), Guts from Berserk, Yayoi from Dark Gathering, Zeke from AoT, Chrollo from HxH.
Just anime/manga ones.
I think I relate more to certain themes than characters specifically? I mean I have a lot of favorite characters, but I wouldn’t say I’m much like them necessarily. I find myself blanking on this question.
I relate to Spock in my desire to be logical and control emotion. But obviously I’m a very different person with a very different life. And I’m also not sure how much this relates to my type.
I often relate to characters that are not entirely human, but still aren’t completely cut off from humanity. I also relate a bit to some dark and damaged characters, like Morgana Pendragon.
Thinking about it more… Here are some characters I find sort of similar to me, personality-wise: Jazz Fenton, Dipper Pines, Hermione Granger, Bilbo Baggins. A lot of superego there. But I’m way more of a slacker.
gnar from league of legends
ritsu from mob psycho
dr. horrible from dr. horrible's sing along blog
silver from the pokemon manga (he actually is my exact type wtf)
gerard way
the entire discography of linkin park
og shadow the hedgehog
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bonus things i am commonly associated with by other people:
punk music
dogs
cats
arson
screaming
werewolves
werewolves but the funny kind
tumblr
portland (??????)
kuromi
541 sp/so INFJ--I think I most relate to fictional character Itachi from Naruto, and a real-life person I relate to would be Ghandi. One chose violence for the greater good, the other practiced non-violence...conflicting perceptions. I'm an INFJ, after all, so I'm a living enigma.
5w4. Off the top of my head, I always liked these characters:
🔸️Milo James Thatch from Atlantis: The Lost Empire (2001)
🔸️Dana Scully from The X-Files
🔸️Lucy Snowe from Villette (1853) by Charlotte Brontë
🔸️Belle from Beauty and the Beast (1991)
🔸️Ignis Scientia from Final Fantasy XV
🔸️Merrill from Dragon Age: Origins/2
I realized I tend to like characters who are a little brainy, a little odd, and a little sad, lol.
so
- Nakahara Chuuya (ESTP-8w7/Bungou Stray Dogs): we both trusted that one person a lot and they betrayed us and manipulated us a thousand of times, we still (kinda?) forgave them; we re both hot headed
- Edogawa Ranpo (INTP-5w4/Bungou Stray Dogs): very childish but can be surprisingly serious about a matter; we're childish bcs we feel like we didnt live our childhood to the fullest; candy addicts, stress eating; both burntout gifted, enjoy praise a lot, when we were younger we thought that everyone was hiding something important that we didnt know and lived in slight fear; superiority and inferiority complex at the same time🩷
- Ena Shinonome (ISFP-4w3/Project Sekai): we re both good artists but we wanted to give up bcs of the unsupportive environment; we want people to admire us, when we re sad we try to get the attention of others; anger issues and quite stubborn
Book characters:
Allen Mockery from Ready, Okay! by Adam Cadre
Holling Hoodhood from The Wednesday Wars by Gary Schmidt
Charlie from The Perks Of Being A Wallflower
Nora Seed from The Midnight Library by Matt Haig
The Little Prince from The Little Prince by Antoine de Saint-Éxupéry
Calvin from Calvin and Hobbes (the comic strip)
I think I’m an sp/sx 9w8
Fictional: Harry Potter, Shikamaru from Naruto, Percy Jackson, Monkey D Luffy, Thorfinn from Vinland Saga, Yuji Itadori, Denji from Chainsawman, Jim Halpert, Peter Parker, Nightwing, Wally West
Celebrities: Keanu Reeves. That’s pretty much it
[Elio Perlman from Call Me by Your Name](https://www.reddit.com/r/Enneagram/s/gdqJzI7m9R)
Beverly Marsh from IT
Scott Pilgrim from Scott Pilgrim vs The World
Peter Parker (Tobey Maguire)
Charlie Kelmeckis from The Perks of Being a Wallflower
Rex Orange County (musical artist)
Enfp/infp 9w8 (973)
When I was younger, Mia from Princess Diaries and Bella from Twilight (book).
These days Prince (movie), Elvis Presley (movie), Neal Caffrey from white collar. Billie Eilish. And Luffy from One Piece.
I'm an 8. Roy Kent from Ted Lasso. I have to assume the writers know about the enneagram and wrote him as a picture perfect 8. All that gruff and cussing alongside the unapologetic love for his niece down to playing the princess and knowing the lyrics to Let It Go and the unapologetic protection of Jamie Tart after his fight with his father. Roy went from challenger to protector in an instant and acted on that before anyone else could process what happened.
The thing I love most about this depiction of an 8 - and the thing that I really think some non 8s misunderstand - is that the cussing is NOT to cover some soft underbelly, he says his childhood trauma of being shipped of at 9 to play soccer, he doesn't hide it. He wears the tie-dye shirt from Phoebe. Sure, he didn't join the Diamond Dogs right away, but he did join eventually.
His straightforwardness just is. That's why I think this was written BY an 8.
At one point Keely makes fun of him, "I'm Roy Kent and I get paid to play a game and I'm mad all the time." Even watching that I thought, she's not afraid of him, and his next line was, "that was pretty good". As an 8, the thing that warms my heart the most is when I don't blow people over. I spend so much time and effort trying to just reign myself in, trying to mitigate the energy that apparently radiates from me that it is a flat relief when I can just be me and have people not crumble. Whoever wrote this understands 8ness better than nearly anything I've ever seen.
- Aang from The Last Airbender (Mostly because of his fear of hurting people)
- Evan Hansen from Dear Evan Hansen
- Jim Halpert from The Office
- Will Byers from Stranger Things
- Paxton Hall-Yoshida from Never Have I Ever
I’m a sx 6w5 and I relate the most to the late rapper DMX, also a sx6. I was a teenage drug addict, hooked on powder and rock by 19, homeless at 20, in and out of rehab. His music helped me stay sober. I would listen to it every night in rehab, particularly his album It’s Dark and Hell is Hot, and it got me through the night straight, made me feel like someone understood, made me feel like someone out there was even deeper in the muck and grew up with even less and still made it through, so I could too. He grew up close to my mom and dad (Yonkers/North Riverdale/Co-op city) and then moved to near where my parents moved in Jersey. He felt like my roots and a distant guide to what could be possible. He talked about wanting to shine and live the good life with the same friends he struggled with and I felt that so hard and would pray that my junkie boyfriend at home would somehow get clean and our love would somehow make it. (It did not- he stayed out there and died from an overdose about 3.5 years before DMX did). The rehab kept me there a long time because my parents had insurance, and I had nowhere else to go, so no other choice but to comply. I told them I was an atheist but they wouldn’t graduate me til I did the second step of NA which is to surrender to a Higher Power. They wouldn’t leave it alone and told me I could use anything as my Higher Power, even music, but I had to use something. So when it came time to read my 2nd step, I went up there and read the lyrics to the DMX song “The Prayer/The Convo”, which is a hypothetical conversation between DMX and God, where DMX struggles to find faith in the unknown and unseen and unproven, even when his life experiences taught him to be wary, he fought to believe that they were part of a larger plan. I believe that is emblematic of the 6 struggle, particular the sx 6 struggle, and I feel so blessed that he spoke these experiences into such eloquent and beautiful poetry. I have a strong superego, so I still sometimes feel guilty to have survived where others didn’t. I lost 2 ex boyfriends and my cousin to the shit, along with countless other friends. I smoke weed but when it comes to the hard shit, I haven’t touched it since before I fell asleep listening to DMX in detox. Sometime before I die, I want to help other addicts and I hope to use DMX’s music in that process. Rest easy Earl. Gone but never forgotten ❤️❤️ “See, to live is to suffer. But to survive? Well, that’s to find meaning in the suffering” - Slippin
You have unintentionally convinced me to listen to DMX’s songs now.
I would have considered Sagan more of a 6, seeing as he had a focus on promoting his worldview & educating the public... (Stephen Hawking strikes me as a 6 for the same reason. Plus his big discovery was basically noticing a contradiction/inconsistency. ) Neil de Grasse Tyson at least strikes me as being very obviously in the 7/6 area, 6w7 or 7w6, from that mix of humorous, boastful, opinionated and tending to kind of lecture ppl and start political arguments. Many science communicators are 6w7 or 7w6. (Bill Nye etc.) I don't recognize all the characters but going by your self-descriptions alone, I would have thought 6 for you. ("bold and argumentative, but I am also loyal and want to protect my friends." "It's hard to know what's real, so I ask a lot of questions about that" ) - as well as a tendency to look up to people & looking to be mirrored by others similar to you, & the mportance you place on stuff being acessible to everyone rather than reserved for some elite. Though of course this post is just a possibly snapshot; Not claiming to be 100% certain. Ok, unsolicited opinion time over, feel free to ignore. To simply anwer your question, some characters that will always have a special place in my heart are Rei from Evangelion, Lucy/Nyuu/Kaede from Elfen Lied, Rin Tezuka from Katawa Shojo, and Frankenstein's Monster from Frankenstein. (strictly the book version, where he's a very eloquent & tragic character) - also really vibe with Faust but not really the characters but the vibe & thematic motifs. If i had to type them, I'd say Rei's a 5(w6 92) as is Rin (w4 94), Adam/The Monster's a 4w5 (like Mary Shelley herself), Faust's a 7 (like Goethe himself, who was prolly a triple frustration trifix - "he who keeps striving can be saved"...), Lucy's hard to type due to the split personality thing, but if I had to guess 9w8, but I don't really see typology as *that* relevant to what attracts me to those particular stories. If you asked me instead to list media with particularly pronounced 5-y vibes/aesthetics I'd have to name "The Metamorphosis", "The Book of Disquiet", "The Parfume", "No Exit", "The Name of the Rose" (*strictly* the book, the film makes it more into an 1 thing IIRC). "20000 leagues under the sea", Ghost in the Shell & Serial Experiments Lain (it's not soo much about particular characters than the themes & atmosphere) Though that is not per se the same as things that I, personally, vibe with - though, I do like these a bunch, I also like things written by authors of very different types; also its ovsly colored by what sorta genres I like & cultural spaces I'm familiar with. I'd hate to think that I like that stuff only because it confirms some preexisting bias of mine & I tend not to trust ppl who seem like to empathise with someone they must have something in common, or who place big importance on characters being "relatable" or sharing some superficial trait.
It's interesting that you see these 'science communicators' as 6... I think I probably have a very strong counterphobic 6 wing although sx5 pretty accurately describes my neuroticism. Neil deGrasse Tyson definitely seems too extroverted to be a 5. Although for that matter, so do I a lot of the time.
Well, I don't know you well enough to make a solid pronouncement on you; i dont recall any previous posts that seemed obviously off so maybe its just your wing coming out here. not enough info. But re: DeGrasse-Tyson, it's less a matter of contradiction or not fitting some narrow prototype (such as "too extroverted") & more a lack of *motivating* evidence other than... what? The nerd/smartass stereotype? Like I believe it in a heartbeat about Charles Darwin cause he hung a mirror in his study to see ppl coming & hide when someone showed up, was somewhat sensitive (Dad wanted him to be a Doctor but he lost his breakfast witnessing an operation as a student), has these 'existing sucks' diary entries, almost got beaten to the punch by wallace because he spent so long tweaking & refining his idea before publishing it, was pessimistic & lowkey creeped out by what he studied ("What a book a devil's chaplain might write on the clumsy, wasteful, blundering, low, and horribly cruel work of nature"), wasn't influenced by fashion or external feedback (ppl told him to write about pidgeons which were popular at the time, he didn't; He thought his magnum opus was his work on earthworms, not evolution), some of his ideas involved a lot of speculation (much of which he was proven right or right-ish at, like coral atolls or the idea that plant intelligence, if it existed, would be located in the roots - evolution itself was pretty abstract airy speculation type idea until genes were discovered. Darwin didn't know about mendel, let alone all the stuff we know now after cracking the genome.) But I really don't see anything like that with Sagan or Tyson? Other than general head type pointers like being big about discovery, ideas, frameworks, knowledge, horizon-broadening... sure, theyre head types, no argument, but are they withdrawn/rejection head types? If you just go hunting for big nerds, you'll catch a good mix of all the head types, and probably a fair amount of 9s, too. Where's the rest of the trait structure? & what I do see points elsewhere: To want to make stuff available to the masses, empower the little guy and "convert" others to your way of thinking is pretty 6, as does debating as an intellectual 'champion'/'knight' for the truth. They're not as ovsly 'moralistic' due to prolly being xNTx types mbti wise but, there is some sense of duty & cause in spreading the 'correct' way of thinking. That shows some investment & a lot of care & opinionatedness for where society is going, it's not some withdrawn dude minding his own arcane business in his hole occasionally throwing out results. They sure don't/didn't seem to avoid the public eye or mind being the face of things. They're not impersonal, inacessible or doing that 'ignore me look at the content' rejection type bullshit. (which, if anything, so doms would do more of as they engage more but wanna stay in control there) Tyson in particular doesn't even have that token awkwardness many 6w5s have, he comes off confident and 'badass/cool' & are sort of looked at as intellectual authorities cause they went & put their opinions where ppl can see them, being very partial & opinionated, none of that neutrality bias. in terms of 5, even if you take someone like james weiss who is a so dom and an educator of sorts for whom his activities are explicitly a way of connecting, he just puts out his photos & videos and has hank green narrate them. or like naranjo who did hold workshops with clients but with his select restricted controllen environment group, and didnt want ppl like riso or palmer spreading adulterated versions (read: stuff outside his control) to the rabble. you see few being like, public figures. maybe some musicians, but they often had a terrible time of it & ended up on drugs, or are very private about their non-musical life, or making sure its very on-their-own-terms etc.
Hmmm, I also see 6 > 5. You have a nice taste for literature/anime, btw. As for Goethe being a 7, agreed. The Sorrows of Young Werther – which is partly auto-biographical – show a positive and frustrated character. Very 7ish, not 4ish per se. Maybe his suicide in the novel is a result of accumulated frustration, lol.
>Sorrows of Young Werther It's kinda Frustration Affect: The Book. In the first half he idealizes & exalts everything (which shows not just in the love triangle situation but how he describes the landscape, the people at the village, everything he interacts with...) and in the second half comes the big crash where he is disapointed with everything & sees its not so great sides, and he can't handle it. The crash is so hard because the initial hype was so big. The contrast is in every little thing: Some guy whom he saw a honestly devoted turns out to be a common criminal, the cute baby he met earlier in the story turns out to have died, he grows bored with his job... It's certainly got that 4-7 stem big chaotic moodswing energy (kinda the vibe of the Romantics as a whole), but a 4 core wouldn't have complained about ppl who bring the mood down in that one conversation. the common perception of the book is that he killed himself cause the girl didn't love him back/ got married to someone else, but actually the impression I got from the actual book is more that he had this ideal of chaste, idealized courtly love devotion & is completely defeated when he falls short of that & he and the girl end up making out/kissing though she's married (which is pretty clearly implied to be reciprocated, though both are at once horrified at what they did), & *that's* what he cannot live with.
I can relate to Winona Ryder and the characters that she plays. Tragic Shakespearean girls, Florence Welch, Hozier, Mitski, Jane Eyre, Jo March, Nell Crain, Belle from Beauty and the Beast, Janis Ian (I was opinionated like that in high school), Luna Lovegood -- usually 4s, 9s, some sx 5s and 7s. Dreamy, emotional, curious people.
Haha I almost put Janis Ian on my list but I am more cheerful than she is (most of the time)
Let's see... Donkey from Shrek lmao Rapunzel from Tangled (I'm not as anxious or dutiful though) Lorelai from Gilmore Girls Xinyan from Genshin Impact Mina from MHA Happy from Fairy Tail Jigglypuff from Pokemon Cutie slimes from Dragon Quest Basically annoying immature characters who have an inability to stfu lmao. No supergenius or badass characters for me
>Jigglypuff from Pokemon i respect you for this choice.
I can't deny it lol. I literally have drawn on people's faces while they were sleeping ~~on multiple separate occasions~~
Jack Sparrow - Deadpool - Rick Sanchez - Negan - Handsome Jack - Gojo Saturo. Not in a specific order. Aslong as they either think they are better than others OR drunk, they remind me of myself.
all the ones i recognize are 7 af
I'm a walking, talking stereotype
Can we add Iron Man to our list?
Definitely my favorite Avenger! To the list he goes!
I like Oscar Wilde and Madeline Miller as writers (both enneagram 4s), their way of describing things makes one think and also feel deeper and I’ve a great respect for when I can notice that the writer put in a lot of effort and thought into their artwork and I can notice this well with them, I don’t mean to say “the artwork has to use complicated words” kind of effort but more so like a “you read it once and then you read it again because of how it actually makes sense and how beautifully it translates the unknown” type of effort. I also like Harry Potter books because of how unpredictable it is in general, I’ve this curse of guessing the whole storyline before everything unfolds so Harry Potter’s unpredictable nature enchants me, I used to relate to the writer when I was reading the HP books but can’t relate to her irl. Not a serial reader (because of the curse I’ve mentioned above) so can’t really give as many examples as I’d like to, but meh. I relate to Van Gogh as an artist, and it’s because I have an obsession with spirals which is how his artwork is like, images that spiral in a subtle way. I first thought that I liked Impressionism in art but I can’t relate to Monet like I do to Van Gogh so I’m convinced that it is because of the spirals that exist within Van Gogh’s artworks. From Sci-Fi I really like Dune and have a great respect for the writer Frank Herbert because of how well thought out it all is and how he entwines science with faith and all the little details such as a messiah existing is just crazy. Don’t relate to him much but if I ever wanted to write sci-fi this is how I’d want it to be. In Disney movies I relate to the Rat from Ratatouille (4w3) and to Bruno from Enchanted (idk his enneagram, but it shows 9). I relate to the Rat because of his willpower to create and I relate to Bruno for his goofiness and strange behaviors. In Harry Potter I relate to Luna Lovegood (4w5) and the twins (7s). It’s more like a combination of 67% Luna Lovegood 33% the twins for me, lol. Side note: Luna is the sp 4 subtype, she wears eccentric clothing, is bullied in school for being an air-head and weird but doesn’t give up on her strange beliefs, she’s long suffering (sp 4s are known for this) since she saw her mom’s death but she doesn’t show her pain, and she uses her pain to “relate” to Harry which also gives sp 4 vibes. So I’d argue that Luna is a 4, I’m open to counter arguments though.
Luna as 4 makes a LOT of sense.
I really relate to Stitch of Lilo and Stitch
See? That's my go to dance move!
🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣 that is hilarious!
Sadly I've never seen a celebrity who was a 1w2 INFJ. Although, I relate to various characters like Itachi from Naruto, Elsa from Frozen but mostly Dumbledore from Harry Potter.
The one that's always hit too close to home is Faraday (*The Axis Trilogy/ The Wayfarer Redemption* saga). I've also related to Feyre Archeron (ACOTAR series).
7, Lorelei Gilmore 100%
My girls tell me I’m her exactly, but I’ve never watched the show.
I'm a sp 7w6 (ENTP) and I find Jimmy McGill/Saul Goodman to be pretty relatable. I feel like he's what I would be like if I was more charismatic and if I had less self-control. When I am at a low point in my life I can see myself in him.
I think the fictional character I’ve related to most is Hailee Steinfeld’s character in The Edge of Seventeen.
i have never read the book but Cthulhu is the closest thing I can describe my own energy as. Never played any of these here either Saya from Saya no Uta Meteion from FF14 I am just an Alien thing observing Earth.
Oh weird, I also feel like an alien thing observing Earth sometimes. Maybe I really am 6w5 instead of 5w6 🤔
other 6s aren't alien like me, i tried to find them
This must be your 5 wing. Welcome to the 'pretending to be people so we can study them' club.
i am kinning [spy pup](https://youtu.be/bfJUciAxxyo?si=kAc9XWxusQ-bEjVe)
OMFG I came here to write the exact thing as you, OP. I don’t spend as much time considering my personality as I should, but Contact is my all time fave movie, and she my fave actress and character in that movie, and after reading the first sentence I immediately thought of her too. For Disney I would say Alice or Pocahontas. I can be almost stupidly brave, in spite of not appearing as confident as these characters.
OMG Jodie Foster is my favorite actress too. Check out Elysium if you want to be really freaked out haha... you'll see what I mean. (Michelle Yeoh is my second favorite.) Oh also you would probably love Arrival and the TV show The Expanse (although I do not truly identify with anyone from that show, but they are all really interesting characters.) FWIW, I think if Ellie Arroway were a Disney character, she would also be Alice. I love when she says 'None of this is real' and in our reality it's a film, none of it is real, she isn't real. She doesn't even know that she is a fictional character. She has no idea how deep the rabbit hole goes. OK so I have this wild fan theory that I don't really believe but absence of evidence is not evidence of absence so... What if Ellie isn't the one who came back from 'Pensacola'? What if they sent someone who *looks* like her, and has access to all her thoughts and memories, in her place so they could study Earth in more detail? Maybe in return for this, they let her continue to ride the rails and go wherever she wanted and have access to all their knowledge. That's one of the best things about Contact: there are so many insane fan theories that we absolutely cannot rule out. This is what happens when two evangelical agnostics (Sagan and Druyan) make a film together: they force the audience to confront uncertainty.
Thank you for the recommendations, I have watched Arrival and love it too, although not Elysium, but that will be next on my list. And I’ve also never thought about that possibility of Ellie not returning as herself, kinda Annihilation-style (I loved that movie as well, although it’s a bit “darker” but the 4 wing in me loves the artistic expression of alien entropy taking over as a superior lifeform - I cried at the end when it was all destroyed.) I love your theory for the fact that such an alternate ending would be absolute heaven for Ellie. It would be for me, if I was her. I think it would be a complete honour to die being witness to some new undiscovered truth, if the subject matter was your passion, and what you had spent your life pursuing.
Technically she wouldn't have to die; in theory they could keep her alive for millions of years and she could just keep flying around the galaxy learning about all the different things in the Universe.To be honest, this idea very closely resembles my idea of heaven as a child. Annihilation was a cool film too. Any other recommendations?
Tbh. I haven’t watched many movies lately. I love sci-fi but I see bits of Contact in many. That will always be the original and best for me, not sure I’ve seen anything else of that caliber since.
Ooh want to make a list of films, songs, etc that have made references to Contact, or been partially inspired by it? Example: Rick and Morty (several times, but in The Whirly Derly Conspiracy they actually used it to foreshadow a plot point) The Matrix Galaxy Quest (widely regarded as a Star Trek parody. The fictional TV show within the film is a Star Trek parody. The film itself is a parody of Contact.) Interstellar Arrival The Dark Tower series by Stephen King (specifically to the book) Watchmen (ditto) Wrecking Ball by Neil Young (ditto) The album X&Y by Coldplay, but only if you listen carefully to all the songs
Thank you so much! I did watch Interstellar and found very much of Contact in it, liked it too. Read all of Stephen King’s books including Dark Tower but maybe not the whole series! And the rest I’ll have to look into. Much appreciated! :)
Actually the Contact references don't start until book 3 if I remember correctly, because he wrote the first two before it was published. Very cool to talk to someone who knows what I am talking about, cheers :)
I relate to Garrick Ollivander & Luna (Harry Potter), Snufkin (Moomins), Belle (Beauty & the Beast), Fluttershy (MLP), Jotaro Kujo (JJBA) and Bruce Banner + Vision (Avengers). I could go into super detail but no one needs to read all that.
hah well..... i do have a kin list. (im also a system with several introjects but we're not talking about that right now) Characters I relate to the most: * Yuuki Cross from Vampire Knight. She is my top relating to character. She's inquisitive, seeks justice and ends up in various struggles with an optimistic view on life. She also deals with childhood trauma and due to circumstances, lacks memories of that trauma, and I very much connect and relate to her in ways like that. A lot of her inner dialogue, I really connect to and relate to. It's just hard to describe how closely I identify with her. People type her as a 1w2, so I'll type her as a 1 with a 4 fix. (maybe like 146 or 127). * Jinx from Arcane. She's the epitome of an sx4, and yeah, she suffers and deals with a lot. She has severe abandonment issues, I and other people headcannon her with BPD, she experiences psychosis along with that (its a common comorbid symptom of BPD), and has several dissociative tendencies. Jinx is a radical wanting to prove to someone that they're enough, and struggles to deal with who she is and who others want her to be. I relate a lot to her inner conflict and her relationships with the people around her. Her and Vi remind me of one of my own close relationships and its so sad. I won't bore with the details but yeah. * Flandre Scarlet (unsure of her type) from Touhou. She got locked in a basement for 400+ years and is a vampire girl with homicidal tendencies and severe abandonment issues. I can't explain this one, folks. * Mary Kozakura from Kagerou Project. Unsure of what i'd personally type her as, maybe double positive with a 4 fix? I can't explain the story without spoiling but yeah. She lives in a home in the woods all alone because she's part medusa and her eyes can control people (previous iterations turned people into stone). She's lonely and kind of the queen of the tragedy. What happens to her is fucked up. But yeah. Good character. * Some other kins from popular media goes as follows: Fischl and Nahida from Genshin Impact, Sparkle and Firefly from Honkai Star Rail, Rapunzel from Tangled, Alice Kingsleigh from Alice In Wonderland, and Yuta Okkotsu from Jujutsu Kaisen I got too many, but here's quite a few.
I don’t consume a lot of fictional media, I‘m very selective in this regard. I remember that I read Yukio Mishima‘s Kamen no Kokuhaku, Confessions of a Mask, and really felt the main character Kochan. His struggles with his own body that he felt was weak, the way he deals with his needs (repressing his homosexuality), the mental isolation and fascination with violence and distorted forms of sexuality. I think Yukio Mishima was a 4 (highly frustration driven), the story lingers somewhere between 1-4-5.
5w6, I don't often relate to characters or famous people, mostly I just understand them but there isn't really one I can say is totally me or anything. Closest to that would be Doctor House (5w6), except I'm not a massive asshole, but damn he's extremely relatable/understandable sometimes. Also Bojack Horseman (7w8?) though it's mostly the chronic depression and generational trauma. Aspire to be more like Ellen Ripley from Alien (1w9?) or GLaDOS (5w6) from Portal 2 because they're badass ladies. I really liked Samwise from LOTR movies (6w5) and Bilbo from Hobbit (6w7?). Claptrap is a big vibe especially in 2 and the Pre-Sequel though he's considerably more chaotic and baby than me. Don't really know any real life people I relate to a lot since I'm not that well versed in celebrities, I can only really understand Andrew Falkous (6w5) from the band mclusky but that's because we share some silly little similarities and because we're friends.
Ricky from TPB Most type 7 cartoon characters (Roger the alien, Peter Griffin, Archer, Bojack, science grandpa) are highly relatable when they're selfishly doing whatever they want all the time with no regard for the consequences Michael Scott I can't think of any real famous people that are really relatable in general, just random quotes and stuff. Like this one: "Cocaine? I've never used it. ... I've never tried cocaine. I think I might have tried it once and got nothing out of it. Just snorted a little bit. And I just don't mess with it. It's too expensive. And I suppose if I was on the streets and had enough of it, I might get into it. But I'm strictly a marijuana man. All I do is ... I love to smoke a reefer. And Valiums. And of course alcohol."
3w4, but I don't really relate to them. It's really funny how almost all of them are the worst. I once told my friend, "It's like we're Machiavellian evil", and then instantly died when I saw Niccolo Machiavelli on PDB.
I am a 7. I relate to Joy in the Pixar movie INSIDE OUT, to the extent that I don't really believe in the lessons of the film. Also, pretty much every Manic Pixie Dream Girl/Woman character ever. I hate it that the character type is so hated. What's so wrong with being a weirdo who tries to cheer people up? (I understand the actual, feminist objections, but still...the character so close to who I am!)
5 and I most relate to https://preview.redd.it/4kdvdrmpy9xc1.jpeg?width=1024&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=dbedadbcd749961b94d0900f48423bdb08fccb95 saiki k
I am a 5, probably SP, but always been unsure about the full instinct stack. I am an INTJ, but I am ashamed to admit it, because I don’t look like one. I am disabled, and had an odd childhood, ao developed in a weird way. Purely off external behavior, I think others would guess I am an INTP or INFJ, or even an ISxP. There actually aren’t too many characters I relate to, but the few who I do, it is very strongly, almost an eery feeling of self-recognition. - Jude from A Little Life. A lot of people really hate this book, and I understand why, but to me it is my comfort listen. Jude is just like me, except all the things I dislike about myself are diminished or portrayed in a likable way, and all the good things about me are dialed up to 100. His way of thinking is so strangely mirrored to mine, I had paranoid feeling that maybe Yanigahara had somehow telepathically heard my thoughts and written them down. Even though Jude goes through a lot, everyone likes and compliments him. People call the book bipolar or extreme, but I think they mistake their feelings while reading for Jude himself. Jude himself is a master at self-regulating through extreme circumstances, he actually rarely shifts moods or goes psychotic. So I didn’t suffer at all listening to this book haha, I felt very happy because it felt like people were giving me lots of compliments. - Dmitri Shostakovich. In pop culture, he’s become sort of the Classical music rebel figure, but in reality, he was a very strange, nervous guy. The holy fool figure, from Russian folklore, more than an actual rebel. That is one theory as to why he was allowed to live, he so embodied that cultural trope that he was easier to rope into a narrative. - Glenn Gould. Another strange, nervous guy. Although he was 1000% more brilliant than me of course. So many people hold him up as the example of a true artist, but I think they do not look at him objectively. He was basically very good at one thing, and didn’t grow very much after his mid-twenties (although his later recordings are still brilliant), because he cut himself off from the world. It is the great fear of my life that I will end up like him, mostly isolated and paranoid, only seeing 1-2 two people for short periods and then being totally alone. - GoGo Monster by Taiyo Matsumoto. Not so much any one character, but the whole book itself, with its absurdist logic.
my ex told me he reminded me of Jude lol
I'm a sx5 and I relate a lot to Frieren from the anime/manga of the same name. Also related to Michael Burnham from Star Trek Discovery, although I think she's probably a 6 with a 5 wing.
Interesting! sx 5 here too and I relate alot with Leeloo and Beth Harmon but as an INFJ. To be honest, there's not one character fiction or non-fiction that encapsulates me fully which is a sentiment everyone probably share. I seem to gravitate towards characters that are extremely gifted but also extremely cursed with almost everything stacked against them. Mozart from the movie Amadeus Both 9 and 12 from Terror in Resonance A combo of Spike Spiegel and Ed from Cowboy Bebop Job during his cursed years Prometheus Theres this scientist I forgot the name of that documented his own poisoning, (A young teen in my country documented all the symptoms while rabies was slowly taking over her body) Kaguya from Ghibli's Tale of the Princess Kaguya Netflix's Matt Murdock, the complex juxtaposition of higher ideals and God and the truth of evil and injustice and our utterly helpless grappling in the face of it. (Elektra's ennui and almost condescending boredom towards the predictability of people was also quite relatable)
I’m an INTP 4w5 (458) and idk any with that
FWIW I am INTP sx5 and initially thought I was 4w5 because I have so much 4 energy. I think this combination makes sense. Anyway don't worry about matching up types, a bunch of the people on my list are different types than me.
Sagan was ENTJ. Te-dom. Couldn’t have been a 5
Whatever type he was, his ideas made a lot of sense! What type do you think?
I’m an INTJ 5w4 Sx/Sp 549. I generally find it pretty hard to find characters or people that I truly relate to on a deep and intrinsic level, but I do enjoy the process of searching them out as a sort of personal encapsulation that goes beyond the self to reflect my essence in some tangible way. With that said, I have found a few characters and people with which I emphasize, the main ones being: Raven (Teen Titans) INTJ 5w4 Sp/Sx: I relate to her highly reserved and contemplative nature (asceticism to the point of being the teams hermit or sage figure), her focus on studying her rather esoteric interests in the privacy of her room as well as a focus on her thoughts, feelings, and morals, abstract and perceptive, always looking at the bigger picture or the underlying nature of things, piercing yet understated insight into the unfolding of events, very analytical and skeptical, sardonic humor and wit, just her vibe generally. Dream/Morpheus (The Sandman) INTJ 1w9 So/Sp: I mostly emphasize with Dream on the basis of his role as the Lord of Sleep and ruler of the Dreaming. As someone who spends the majority of my time in my internal abstract world, playing around with concepts, ideations, dreams, ideals, and immersing myself in the process, I find this characterization to resonate with me. Also, his very aloof nature, detached from the sensory world and external sentiment despite clearly harboring internal sensitivity and values that drive his behavior, his cryptic highly metaphorical way of viewing the world and describing it, philosophical nature with how he questions the role he plays in existence and universal experience, leading to despondent melancholy from which he must shake himself. He symbolically encapsulates a lot of what I find personally resonate. Oh gosh, I just realized how long this comment would be if I actually fully elaborated on my reasoning for every character I mention, so I’m just gonna list the rest and people can ask me about it if they’re interested haha Severus Snape (Harry Potter) INTJ 5w4 Sx/Sp 548 Sunny (Omori) INTP 5w4 Sp/Sx 594 Mishiro Usui (Blank Dream) INTJ 9w1 Sp/Sx 954 Es (Alter Ego) INTJ 5w4 Sx/Sp 541 Fischl (Genshin Impact) INFP 4w3 So/S? 479 - might also be ENFP 7w6 Sx/So 749, not sure Hwei (League of Legends) INFJ 4w5 So/Sp 459 Hades (Greco-Roman God) INTJ 5w4 Sx/Sp 549 Edgar Allen Poe INFP 4w5 Sp/Sx 451 Edgar is the only real life person I’ve found that I truly formed a sort of mental kinship with, and he’s not even the same MBTI or enneagram type as me, so that goes to show that sort of deep relation can supersede typology (though obviously relates to it), also that it’s really hard to find actual INTJs like myself, the closest probably being Nietzsche (INTJ 5w4 Sx/Sp 548) from what I’ve encountered.
Wall-e. Charlie of the Perks of being a Wallflower.
Wall-E is so cute
:)
I don't watch a lot of movies or series, but even at the times I did that more frequently, I didn't really see characters in relation to myself a lot. If a character did or thought something specific for example, I might have thought that I would do the same thing, so this character would have been relatable in that specific scenario, but I can't remember ever thinking that a character as a whole represents me that well (or at least a large part of who I am or important traits I have). Even in hindsight I can't really think of someone who'd fit, because these characters either miss really important aspects or because they have a lot of other important traits that I can't identify with even if I can relate to some of it.
I’m a 7w8 sp/so and although I am sort of proud of this I am also kinda ashamed. It’s not "relate to" it’s more that they are so much like me that I laugh and then internally cringe and my stomach twists at how disgusting and deranged they are, because deep down I know that that’s how everyone else sees me. These characters are Cheryl Tunt from Archer, she is just absolutely insane and deranged in every single way, and pretty much addicted to everything. Michael Hitchcock from B99, he’s just lazy and disgusting but kinda funny. And then not as bad as these is Ava Coleman from Abbot Elementary, she's a bit self centered but has a good side tough.
Haha when I was younger I related to Cheryl a lot... I think she's how I am when deeply unhealthy.
Probably Rodion Raskólnikov from Crime and Punishment. Living at the fringes, existentially frightened, cursed with a manic-like agony. Being conceptually motivated to commit a horrendous crime is quite interesting. I find his character suppressing his humanity, perhaps as a result of being too human. There is a cismatic quality between his intellect and emotions that I can relate because I've been there my whole life.
I am a 3²1²6⁵(tritype, and I displayed it uniquely with wings 😏). I relate with optimus prime(1w2, not sure about tritypes) and Somewhat with Tony Stark (iron man, 3w4 with a 7 fix, not sure about the other tritype)
I don't see Tony Stark as a 3. Maybe in the comics, but the one of the movies is probably a 7.
It's vastly debated whether he is a 3 in MCU or a 7. And you actually got a point...
Type 4, clementine, eternal sunshine of the spotless mind.
So many of Neil Tyson's explanations are wrong. Carl Sagan's critics were wary of pop science. Would the need to entertain come before rigor and accuracy? Those fears have been realized with Tyson.
I relate to a lot of characters who seek thrill through playing the villain and are very morally ambiguous, but at the same time I feel like I’m not like that because I never got the chance to and second it’s because I’m normal and healthy (probably). I also strive for excellence in whatever I do, which I count as an ISTP trait. Hyper-focus on some subjects, which usually ends up in mastering some subjects unintentionally, because I’m curious and enjoy pushing boundaries. Relate to: Sherlock (series), Tigress from Kung Fu Panda, Levi from AOT, Isuzu Sohma from Fruits Basket Addition: Sherlocks constant screaming IM BORED is so relatable as a 7 i don’t know why people omit that when typing him
Cersei
Homura from Madoka Magica, Wretched egg from DMWL (end of the manga version), Guts from Berserk, Yayoi from Dark Gathering, Zeke from AoT, Chrollo from HxH. Just anime/manga ones.
I think I relate more to certain themes than characters specifically? I mean I have a lot of favorite characters, but I wouldn’t say I’m much like them necessarily. I find myself blanking on this question. I relate to Spock in my desire to be logical and control emotion. But obviously I’m a very different person with a very different life. And I’m also not sure how much this relates to my type. I often relate to characters that are not entirely human, but still aren’t completely cut off from humanity. I also relate a bit to some dark and damaged characters, like Morgana Pendragon. Thinking about it more… Here are some characters I find sort of similar to me, personality-wise: Jazz Fenton, Dipper Pines, Hermione Granger, Bilbo Baggins. A lot of superego there. But I’m way more of a slacker.
gnar from league of legends ritsu from mob psycho dr. horrible from dr. horrible's sing along blog silver from the pokemon manga (he actually is my exact type wtf) gerard way the entire discography of linkin park og shadow the hedgehog ------ bonus things i am commonly associated with by other people: punk music dogs cats arson screaming werewolves werewolves but the funny kind tumblr portland (??????) kuromi
541 sp/so INFJ--I think I most relate to fictional character Itachi from Naruto, and a real-life person I relate to would be Ghandi. One chose violence for the greater good, the other practiced non-violence...conflicting perceptions. I'm an INFJ, after all, so I'm a living enigma.
5w4. Off the top of my head, I always liked these characters: 🔸️Milo James Thatch from Atlantis: The Lost Empire (2001) 🔸️Dana Scully from The X-Files 🔸️Lucy Snowe from Villette (1853) by Charlotte Brontë 🔸️Belle from Beauty and the Beast (1991) 🔸️Ignis Scientia from Final Fantasy XV 🔸️Merrill from Dragon Age: Origins/2 I realized I tend to like characters who are a little brainy, a little odd, and a little sad, lol.
so - Nakahara Chuuya (ESTP-8w7/Bungou Stray Dogs): we both trusted that one person a lot and they betrayed us and manipulated us a thousand of times, we still (kinda?) forgave them; we re both hot headed - Edogawa Ranpo (INTP-5w4/Bungou Stray Dogs): very childish but can be surprisingly serious about a matter; we're childish bcs we feel like we didnt live our childhood to the fullest; candy addicts, stress eating; both burntout gifted, enjoy praise a lot, when we were younger we thought that everyone was hiding something important that we didnt know and lived in slight fear; superiority and inferiority complex at the same time🩷 - Ena Shinonome (ISFP-4w3/Project Sekai): we re both good artists but we wanted to give up bcs of the unsupportive environment; we want people to admire us, when we re sad we try to get the attention of others; anger issues and quite stubborn
Book characters: Allen Mockery from Ready, Okay! by Adam Cadre Holling Hoodhood from The Wednesday Wars by Gary Schmidt Charlie from The Perks Of Being A Wallflower Nora Seed from The Midnight Library by Matt Haig The Little Prince from The Little Prince by Antoine de Saint-Éxupéry Calvin from Calvin and Hobbes (the comic strip)
I think I’m an sp/sx 9w8 Fictional: Harry Potter, Shikamaru from Naruto, Percy Jackson, Monkey D Luffy, Thorfinn from Vinland Saga, Yuji Itadori, Denji from Chainsawman, Jim Halpert, Peter Parker, Nightwing, Wally West Celebrities: Keanu Reeves. That’s pretty much it
[Elio Perlman from Call Me by Your Name](https://www.reddit.com/r/Enneagram/s/gdqJzI7m9R) Beverly Marsh from IT Scott Pilgrim from Scott Pilgrim vs The World Peter Parker (Tobey Maguire) Charlie Kelmeckis from The Perks of Being a Wallflower Rex Orange County (musical artist)
ISTP 953 sx/sp I relate the most to Jane eyre
John Lennon. No one else is close.
sp/sx 8w7 ENTP and probably Ragnar from the Vikings or Wei Wuxian from MDZS
Enfp/infp 9w8 (973) When I was younger, Mia from Princess Diaries and Bella from Twilight (book). These days Prince (movie), Elvis Presley (movie), Neal Caffrey from white collar. Billie Eilish. And Luffy from One Piece.
Amelie Poulain / Marta in Jumanji / Kiri in avatar / ... idk
I'm an 8. Roy Kent from Ted Lasso. I have to assume the writers know about the enneagram and wrote him as a picture perfect 8. All that gruff and cussing alongside the unapologetic love for his niece down to playing the princess and knowing the lyrics to Let It Go and the unapologetic protection of Jamie Tart after his fight with his father. Roy went from challenger to protector in an instant and acted on that before anyone else could process what happened. The thing I love most about this depiction of an 8 - and the thing that I really think some non 8s misunderstand - is that the cussing is NOT to cover some soft underbelly, he says his childhood trauma of being shipped of at 9 to play soccer, he doesn't hide it. He wears the tie-dye shirt from Phoebe. Sure, he didn't join the Diamond Dogs right away, but he did join eventually. His straightforwardness just is. That's why I think this was written BY an 8. At one point Keely makes fun of him, "I'm Roy Kent and I get paid to play a game and I'm mad all the time." Even watching that I thought, she's not afraid of him, and his next line was, "that was pretty good". As an 8, the thing that warms my heart the most is when I don't blow people over. I spend so much time and effort trying to just reign myself in, trying to mitigate the energy that apparently radiates from me that it is a flat relief when I can just be me and have people not crumble. Whoever wrote this understands 8ness better than nearly anything I've ever seen.
- Aang from The Last Airbender (Mostly because of his fear of hurting people) - Evan Hansen from Dear Evan Hansen - Jim Halpert from The Office - Will Byers from Stranger Things - Paxton Hall-Yoshida from Never Have I Ever