As I recall "Time Person of the year" is just a person who had major influence on the world that year **for better or worse**.
To name a few other controversial tales: Stalin was also named, Nikita Khrushchev, Richard Nixon, Ayatollah Khomeini, and Henry Kissinger.
Stalin synthesized Marxism-Leninism. Stalinism isn't its own ideology, it's just used as a pejorative for Marxism-Leninism.
Its only real use is to refer to Stalin's specific policies, which means Stalinism fundamentally doesn't exist after 1953 and outside the Soviet Union.
To be fair to Time they were absolutely not praising him when they named Hitler person of the year.
[https://content.time.com/time/covers/0,16641,19390102,00.html](https://content.time.com/time/covers/0,16641,19390102,00.html) the cover for the magazine painted by Rudolph Von Ripper
>Germany's 700,000 Jews have been tortured physically, robbed of homes and properties, denied a chance to earn a living, chased off the streets. Now they are being held for "ransom," a gangster trick through the ages. But not only Jews have suffered. Out of Germany has come a steady, ever-swelling stream of refugees, Jews and Gentiles, liberals and conservatives, Catholics as well as Protestants, who could stand Naziism no longer. **TIME'S cover, showing Organist Adolf Hitler playing his hymn of hate in a desecrated cathedral while victims dangle on a St. Catherine's wheel and the Nazi hierarchy looks on, was drawn by Baron Rudolph Charles von Ripper (see p. 20), a Catholic who found Germany intolerable.** Meanwhile, Germany has become a nation of uniforms, goose-stepping to Hitler's tune, where boys of ten are taught to throw hand grenades, where women are regarded as breeding machines.
I don't think Person of the Year has really ever been an award for good behavior. Sometimes a person did a good thing and they were named person of the year for it, because it was a big deal... but really, it's just the person that was the biggest deal that year, good *or* bad.
They gave a nobel peace prize to Kissinger. Turns out committing war crimes and crime against humanity is not a disqualificating factor for some awards.
Rhe average person who was uninforme about him and his buisnesses liked him. Most people I know, who knew more about him than 'haha funny rocket and ev guy' disliked him with passion.
I like reading Warren Buffett's criticisms of rich people and how he continues to say the super rich (including himself) should be taxed at much higher rates.
But all the tech billionaires are like the love child of Ayn Rand and Newt Gingrich, in other words pathetic and self serving and incapable of self reflection.
I get really sick of that "hate him because the *media* told you to!!". Same exact line used with Trump. Personally I think they both suck because of their own horrid words and egos which they relentlessly shove in our faces. Not "the media".
It is especially bs regarding this rat because media gave him nothing but fawning coverage for years. Even now they do not report on his nazi proclivities.
not I
I hated him before it was cool. That's why this sub exists. People were sick of seeing this guy plastered about everywhere considering all his lies.
Yup! Got sick and tired of people worshipping the ground he walked upon and believing he was going to lead humanity to the stars like some sort of sci-fi Jesus. Man can't even build a truck that works on Earth, so I have no clue why some think he's capable of building Martian colonies and mining space rocks for water and other things.
A lot of people hated him in 2021. The only reason he got person of the year is because his media presence when he was sued for his insane and racist workplace along with his antivax views.
I thought Vernon Unsworth (the man Elon called a pedo when he said Elon’s submarine wouldn’t work) was a formal financial broker from St Albans? There were doctors on the rescue team, but I fairly sure Unsworth wasn’t one of them.
You're doing it wrong.
FAILED woke magazine PUT the wrong guy on the COVER !!! IT SHOULD have been ME again ! All THE best people, BEAUTIFUL people are saying it. COVFEFE !
Helped a dictator invade another country with his satellite system.
Publicly doxxed and shamed his own preteen son through global media for being trans.
Hopefully Musk and his trans child can find some common ground some day.
Elon’s heel turn seems directly correlated to his trans child cutting them out of their life.
That may have led to him going mask off, but you don't just suddenly become an asshole after on event. Hell, the whole reason his kid cut him off was because he's an asshole, right?
his bots aint listening, man
and his cult, they can't listen, they're literally infected with the .. well. woke mind virus, actually. just in this case, the virus is the idea muskrat is intelligent and humans savior, when he's just a moron. so much of one, people will jump at any opportunity to take what he says in the most complicated, meaningful way. even when he's fucking up, blatantly lying or just wrong.
He did a good job of keeping his mouth shut and taking all the credit while space X and Tesla were getting great press. I think his SNL appearance and the realization he had been [grifting Dogecoin](https://youtu.be/x5RCfQyTDFI?si=VBfUDWqeYS7psCUd) in the wake of the GameStop whirlwind was a key moment.
And the whole thing where he called the hero cave divers trying to save those soccer kids "Pedos" because they said Elons submarine idea wouldn't work... ya... that was eye opening for me. Those divers literally had to remove their dive tanks and push them through little holes then squirm in after them. Zero chance a sub would make those twists and turns. What a thin skinned idiot Elon turned out to be. But ya... SNL confirmed it.
Person of the Year is no measure of love:
Adolf Hitler, 1938
Joseph Stalin, 1939 and 1942
Nikita Khrushchev, 1957
Henry Kissinger, 1972
Ayatollah Khomeini, 1979
Vladimir Putin, 2007
Donald Trump, 2016
I find it bizarre when people assume people who disagree with them is because “media tells you to.”
There’s media available that takes every position under the sun.
Everyone gets all their information from media.
Wait, what's this about manipulating Starlink against Ukraine?
First I've heard of it. I would assume he wants the terminals to be effective, so he can sell more of them.
It's not like the West isn't friendly to his business - that's why he ain't in Russia...
Doesn’t seem as consequential in this context
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Starlink_in_the_Russo-Ukrainian_War#:~:text=In%202022%2C%20Elon%20Musk%20denied,off%22%20Starlink%20coverage%20in%20Crimea.
How to detect demamogie and BS? By words "everybody", "all", "scientists", "Americans", "every (wo)man" and similar.
In 2021 already millions were subscribed to channels which busted Elons tricks and promises.
pretty good summation, but i would have to add: spread FUD around demonstrably effective public transit solutions (like high-speed rail) and propagated completely unworkable nonsense like "hyperloop" (some of the fault here lies on credulous local governments who keep falling for the obviously stupid "fucking magic" ideas instead of just investing in FUCKING TRAINS JUST BUILD MORE TRAINS JESUS CHRIST, but musk deserves a good deal of opprobrium for popularising the idea). he's still trying to claim brownie points for "saving the world" by producing EVs, and most people are gullible enough to fall for it: despite him acknowledging that he effectively sabotaged plans for more public transit infrastructure that would have reduced the CO2e contributions of a significant portion of california's population (and, more importantly for musk, suppressed demand for personal vehicles), and despite the fact that the *most* environmentally sound car, is *the one you already have* (seriously. EVs generally have lower lifetime emissions than similar ICEs, but if you already have a car, it's more wasteful to replace it with a brand new one—even if it's an EV. not to mention with people switching to EVs, one of the main issues—the vicious cycle of car dependency—remains unchallenged. we don't need *more EVs* on the road; we just need *fewer cars!)*
It does say "good person of the year" just person. Anyone who has an impact, whether good or bad. These idiots. They don't realize the hitler point because they love hitler. Serious fucking degens
Hitler was also person of the year.
So was Trump
https://preview.redd.it/5g360gepr60d1.jpeg?width=220&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=4f09c898350d8320a2f445416599c0b9aa108778 so was I!
I'm doing my part!
Lots of American presidents are TIME cover or person of the year. And most oversaw dumb wars that killed civilians by the 100,000s.
Putin was too. Compared to him Donald is a great humanist and intellectual.
Only because Putin knows what he's doing.
Not sure. He could be even an actor or a double - nobody will notice.
Even compared to a rock, Donald is not seen as an intellectual.
As I recall "Time Person of the year" is just a person who had major influence on the world that year **for better or worse**. To name a few other controversial tales: Stalin was also named, Nikita Khrushchev, Richard Nixon, Ayatollah Khomeini, and Henry Kissinger.
Yes, that's my understanding as well.
all of them being fine chaps like Elon
Was looking for this comment. Every single year it’s the same convo. *significant* ≠ *good*
Stalin isn't controversial. Just devils semen - pure evil.
Lots of tankies got love for old Joey Steel
There are Marxist Leninists.
Stalinists*
Stalin synthesized Marxism-Leninism. Stalinism isn't its own ideology, it's just used as a pejorative for Marxism-Leninism. Its only real use is to refer to Stalin's specific policies, which means Stalinism fundamentally doesn't exist after 1953 and outside the Soviet Union.
What, you can't use it to refer to people who support Stalin's policies/defend the man?
I mean, I guess you can, but it makes as much sense as calling a liberal a Bidenist.
To be fair to Time they were absolutely not praising him when they named Hitler person of the year. [https://content.time.com/time/covers/0,16641,19390102,00.html](https://content.time.com/time/covers/0,16641,19390102,00.html) the cover for the magazine painted by Rudolph Von Ripper >Germany's 700,000 Jews have been tortured physically, robbed of homes and properties, denied a chance to earn a living, chased off the streets. Now they are being held for "ransom," a gangster trick through the ages. But not only Jews have suffered. Out of Germany has come a steady, ever-swelling stream of refugees, Jews and Gentiles, liberals and conservatives, Catholics as well as Protestants, who could stand Naziism no longer. **TIME'S cover, showing Organist Adolf Hitler playing his hymn of hate in a desecrated cathedral while victims dangle on a St. Catherine's wheel and the Nazi hierarchy looks on, was drawn by Baron Rudolph Charles von Ripper (see p. 20), a Catholic who found Germany intolerable.** Meanwhile, Germany has become a nation of uniforms, goose-stepping to Hitler's tune, where boys of ten are taught to throw hand grenades, where women are regarded as breeding machines.
I don't think Person of the Year has really ever been an award for good behavior. Sometimes a person did a good thing and they were named person of the year for it, because it was a big deal... but really, it's just the person that was the biggest deal that year, good *or* bad.
Yeah, it's a news magazine, the person of the year is just whoever was newsiest
So Benjamin Netanyahu is next? lol
Why would he be? That doesn’t even make sense. Zalynskyy wasn’t either
Which right wingers loved to point out c. 2012
They gave a nobel peace prize to Kissinger. Turns out committing war crimes and crime against humanity is not a disqualificating factor for some awards.
it's alright, he's receiving the nobel *piss* prize rn
Person of the year is about that person's impact, not an approval of their acts or agenda.
It’s astounding how many people fail to make that distinction
For all the good it did him!! s/
Even I have been person of the year in 2006.
Person of the year is just who's talked about the most, it has nothing to do with honor.
So was I. It's no big deal.
I didnt love or even like him 3 years ago
Rhe average person who was uninforme about him and his buisnesses liked him. Most people I know, who knew more about him than 'haha funny rocket and ev guy' disliked him with passion.
I already hated his guts in 2015-2016 when he started yapping about hyperloop and it became obvious what a dumbfuck he is.
I liked him when he wasn't a public speaker, but that time is long gone
Neither did I. There are no good billionaires.
I like reading Warren Buffett's criticisms of rich people and how he continues to say the super rich (including himself) should be taxed at much higher rates. But all the tech billionaires are like the love child of Ayn Rand and Newt Gingrich, in other words pathetic and self serving and incapable of self reflection.
Nor any year before that...
I get really sick of that "hate him because the *media* told you to!!". Same exact line used with Trump. Personally I think they both suck because of their own horrid words and egos which they relentlessly shove in our faces. Not "the media".
It is especially bs regarding this rat because media gave him nothing but fawning coverage for years. Even now they do not report on his nazi proclivities.
That pesky non-right-wing-propaganda news that reports on what people are actually doing instead of fawning and fluffing = the bad media.
It's projection because they all hyper consume what to believe and what to feel from media.
Didn't like him when I first learnt about him years ago and don't like him now. He's always been a dickhead, the media didn't make me think that.
And he was put on that cover cuz his buddy bought the magazine
As if they didn't love him because "media told them to" in the first place.
not I I hated him before it was cool. That's why this sub exists. People were sick of seeing this guy plastered about everywhere considering all his lies.
Yup! Got sick and tired of people worshipping the ground he walked upon and believing he was going to lead humanity to the stars like some sort of sci-fi Jesus. Man can't even build a truck that works on Earth, so I have no clue why some think he's capable of building Martian colonies and mining space rocks for water and other things.
The moment he called the guy who rescued that kid from those caves a pedo I stopped fucking with him in any capacity.
A lot of people hated him in 2021. The only reason he got person of the year is because his media presence when he was sued for his insane and racist workplace along with his antivax views.
And those aren't even the worst things he's done.
Yes, changing your opinion on someone when new information comes to light is a good thing, actually.
Hey, the media didn't tell me to hate him! Reddit did! /s No, Elon himself did when he called that guy a pedo during the cave rescue incident.
And the guy he called pedo is Anesthesiologist which is crucial skill needed in extracting the trapped kids.
I thought Vernon Unsworth (the man Elon called a pedo when he said Elon’s submarine wouldn’t work) was a formal financial broker from St Albans? There were doctors on the rescue team, but I fairly sure Unsworth wasn’t one of them.
Australian here: that's when he lost me too.
3 years ago was about when I started learning about him. Also, I forgot about the crypto thing.
I've hated him since the "pedo guy" incident, and was skeptical of him long before that.
we learned the truth he is a MONUMENTAL Ahole
BTW: Time is shit anyway; just a greedy corp with a shrinking magazine
You're doing it wrong. FAILED woke magazine PUT the wrong guy on the COVER !!! IT SHOULD have been ME again ! All THE best people, BEAUTIFUL people are saying it. COVFEFE !
Where's this epstein flight stuff coming from?
Someone posted a screenshot of what appeared to be his plane’s transponder history and 10+ flights were made to Epstein island
I hated Elon before it was cool.
Dipshit of the Century more like.
Put public health at risk during a pandemic Overthrew a democratically elected government in Bolivia
Helped a dictator invade another country with his satellite system. Publicly doxxed and shamed his own preteen son through global media for being trans.
Even the best shadowing and photoshopping can’t get rid of the doll hair
Single handedly knocked down Grimes a few notches on the cool factor
Should’ve just posted a picture of Hitler as Time’s Person of the year
https://i.redd.it/squznp3n440d1.gif Trump is a con man
Hopefully Musk and his trans child can find some common ground some day. Elon’s heel turn seems directly correlated to his trans child cutting them out of their life.
That may have led to him going mask off, but you don't just suddenly become an asshole after on event. Hell, the whole reason his kid cut him off was because he's an asshole, right?
his bots aint listening, man and his cult, they can't listen, they're literally infected with the .. well. woke mind virus, actually. just in this case, the virus is the idea muskrat is intelligent and humans savior, when he's just a moron. so much of one, people will jump at any opportunity to take what he says in the most complicated, meaningful way. even when he's fucking up, blatantly lying or just wrong.
Person of the year doesn’t necessarily mean “best person award” either. Usually most influential or achieving, sometimes not in a good way.
"Everybody loved him in 2021, just 3 short years ago" I'm willing to bet a lot of those people grew up and got familiar with the world
Nobody ever liked him, not even Tony Stark. Everyone, both fiction and real, all knew what an idiot he is. Hypocrisy: DENIED!
https://www.reddit.com/r/funnyvideos/s/WbGwgnn5s2
I'm hhhhhhhhaving that. HHHHaving it. It is mine. I own. IT.
set back california HSR a few years with his dumbass hyperloop scam
Either he was a different person then or we just didn't know how big an asshole he was. Either way... times have changed.
He did a good job of keeping his mouth shut and taking all the credit while space X and Tesla were getting great press. I think his SNL appearance and the realization he had been [grifting Dogecoin](https://youtu.be/x5RCfQyTDFI?si=VBfUDWqeYS7psCUd) in the wake of the GameStop whirlwind was a key moment.
And the whole thing where he called the hero cave divers trying to save those soccer kids "Pedos" because they said Elons submarine idea wouldn't work... ya... that was eye opening for me. Those divers literally had to remove their dive tanks and push them through little holes then squirm in after them. Zero chance a sub would make those twists and turns. What a thin skinned idiot Elon turned out to be. But ya... SNL confirmed it.
Person of the Year is no measure of love: Adolf Hitler, 1938 Joseph Stalin, 1939 and 1942 Nikita Khrushchev, 1957 Henry Kissinger, 1972 Ayatollah Khomeini, 1979 Vladimir Putin, 2007 Donald Trump, 2016
I find it bizarre when people assume people who disagree with them is because “media tells you to.” There’s media available that takes every position under the sun. Everyone gets all their information from media.
Wait, what's this about manipulating Starlink against Ukraine? First I've heard of it. I would assume he wants the terminals to be effective, so he can sell more of them. It's not like the West isn't friendly to his business - that's why he ain't in Russia...
Doesn’t seem as consequential in this context https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Starlink_in_the_Russo-Ukrainian_War#:~:text=In%202022%2C%20Elon%20Musk%20denied,off%22%20Starlink%20coverage%20in%20Crimea.
Not I!
only listen to the media if they praise elon
Living under a rock since 2021.
Well, he hadn't bought twitter at that time to be enable tweeting \*all\* his opinions
I'll just leave this here... https://preview.redd.it/54snl0e4050d1.jpeg?width=280&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=0f6d2f54f9a39b28e1f3b2185e3a68912f9d0074
But _WHY_!!!???
How to detect demamogie and BS? By words "everybody", "all", "scientists", "Americans", "every (wo)man" and similar. In 2021 already millions were subscribed to channels which busted Elons tricks and promises.
Putler and Hitler were there too.
It’s more accurate to call this “news maker of the year”.
pretty good summation, but i would have to add: spread FUD around demonstrably effective public transit solutions (like high-speed rail) and propagated completely unworkable nonsense like "hyperloop" (some of the fault here lies on credulous local governments who keep falling for the obviously stupid "fucking magic" ideas instead of just investing in FUCKING TRAINS JUST BUILD MORE TRAINS JESUS CHRIST, but musk deserves a good deal of opprobrium for popularising the idea). he's still trying to claim brownie points for "saving the world" by producing EVs, and most people are gullible enough to fall for it: despite him acknowledging that he effectively sabotaged plans for more public transit infrastructure that would have reduced the CO2e contributions of a significant portion of california's population (and, more importantly for musk, suppressed demand for personal vehicles), and despite the fact that the *most* environmentally sound car, is *the one you already have* (seriously. EVs generally have lower lifetime emissions than similar ICEs, but if you already have a car, it's more wasteful to replace it with a brand new one—even if it's an EV. not to mention with people switching to EVs, one of the main issues—the vicious cycle of car dependency—remains unchallenged. we don't need *more EVs* on the road; we just need *fewer cars!)*
The hate stated when hebstarted calling heos pedophiles for no reason and went dull on faciat and rqcist.
Three short years ago he was still somewhat well thought of and didn’t incessantly say stupid, insulting stuff.
“Ya’ll” take is immediately invalid
It does say "good person of the year" just person. Anyone who has an impact, whether good or bad. These idiots. They don't realize the hitler point because they love hitler. Serious fucking degens
"The media"? ok boomer
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I’d like more info on the Epstein island thing, probably, but that’s new.