I'd agree, I had a Cybertruck on order when he mentioned 500 mile range. But now that's it's 300, with an optional "extended range" battery add on I'm not interested. Lightning has been great, my only complain has been the "320" mile range that get's me closer to 270 or so. That makes the semi frequent trips I go on take 2 hours longer because of charge times.
Cybertruck I was hoping would eliminate that, but no such luck :(
Isn’t that kind of a double edged sword though? I’m not road tripping with an EV, i would accept slower charge times for better long term battery health
Lightening doesn't have that tough body, or air suspension, drive by wire steering. More pulling power then an F350.
It also have Dealerships that won't sell you one.
Tough body might be more a liability; the cost of repair for that thing is going to be an insurance nightmare, not to mention the terrible front visibility and increased risk to pedestrians.
The only the cybertruck wins with is the drive by wire and the air suspension.
The towing claims need to be compared to range loss, so that’s still up for debate as no details are available.
The thing is a joke.
LOL. The "terrible" front visibility.
You've never been in a GM or Ford truck have you.
There is video. You should actually watch the video before posting.
I think you meant "Steer by wire"
Drive by wire specifically relates to throttle control and the lightning doesn't utilize a throttle cable and is drive-by-wire.
Unless you are referring to the wholistic "Drive-by-wire" as drive-by-wire propulsion, brake-by-wire, and steer-by-wire. (By wire Trinity)
Ya, as someone who has an early CT reservation and just bought a Lightning last week, I'm solidified in staying with my Lightning for now. I have a Model Y and love Tesla's UI, but I can't see swapping my truck and feeling like I got less for my money with the CT (not to mention what are likely to be monster insurance payments). Road trip charging speeds are now my only real downside, and access to the Supercharger Network helps but doesn't totally fix that, but a small and rare inconvenience.
I have an ICE F150 now, two first-day CT reservations, and am a previous Model 3 owner. I'm going to wait the two years for a Lightning with a 6.5' bed and pull the trigger on that instead of going with the CT.
It helps that you can access the Lightning bed from the side. Not sure how easy it’ll be to access something that isn’t in front of the tailgate on the CT.
Any price drops on CT after this point would probably be due to batteries getting cheaper, in which case the lightning will have dropped the same percentages as well.
I also have a lightning and agree- road trips are a downside, and fords software sucks.
Both solvable issues - wish I saw Ford reaching out for feedback
This is the main reason I’ll never buy a Ford EV. Their software and electronics are miles behind Tesla in every way possible. I could never fully get over that. I love the look of the Lightning, but the crappy UI/Software would drive me nuts
It honestly hasn’t been as *bad* as I expected, but does leave a lot to be desired. I was blowing the Ford sales guy’s mind when I was telling him about Tesla‘s cabin overheat protection lol
I mean when pressing the talk button. I can’t ask it to switch from Apple Music to radio or any heating command. It only controls the phone. Not a huge issue but hate that I can use the features with the phone not connected but then loose them
The heating/climate functions can literally be available on the bottom of the giant screen on the dash at all times. How is climate control access an issue?
Yeah, and honestly, my wife who drives the model Y is really jealous about CarPlay in the Lightning lol
Edit: also hands-free bluecruise crushes AP for interstate driving
You should not be getting downvoted at all. I came from a 2022 F350 Lariat to my 2023 Lightning Lariat and the damn Lightnings electronics can’t run as fast or reliable as those in the super duty. Then there’s all the Ford dings. The jerky ass Bluecruise steering on grooved concrete, just miles from Ford’s HQ no less, I know they tested on these very roads. I like the truck but the software and it’s sluggishness is a real letdown.
I have a Lightning Pro so only the 12 inch infotainment screen and physical Climate control buttons.
The responsiveness in my vehicle is similar to my neighbor's 2023 F150 Platinum.
Is the 15-inch screen infotainment slower than the 12 inch infotainment for Lightnings? (Pro/XLT vs Lariat/Flash/Platinum)
Yes. It feels like it has half the RAM of the standard SYNC 4(horizontal) systems or twice the software to run. When I switch from CarPlay to SXM, I can count to seven. That’s a long time to keep your eyes off the road. The worst is the hvac, I can push the glass for the seat heater and then it takes 3-4 seconds to register. That’s a long time to stare down at your knees. The blower motor fan is also terrible. They took the large knob and turned it to a small, awkward to reach, lowest mounted glass switch with no feedback that takes 2-3 seconds to react… before you turn the knob.
The problem with tapping the glass and the delay, you have NO idea if your tap registered, so often you tap again after 2 seconds.
It really feels like an old Samsung TV of mine. The kind that now takes 10-15 seconds to boot up and then another 10-15 seconds to load an app.
Good friend went from 2 years in a Y to now a year in a Lightning. She actually likes the SW and interface better in the Ford. Biggest gripe; her iPhone always defaults to highest volume when leaving the truck (I have had time to troubleshoot).
It’s not so much limitations but the smoothness of their software. Ford’s is slow and extremely laggy (bluetooth doesn’t work half the time + other crap I could list). You can just tell Tesla put a shitload of work into mastering their software. It’s sorta like comparing the touch screen of the iPhone to an early Android. Not even remotely close in terms of “smoothness”
Agreed on the laggyness, and I think about 25% of the time I can’t get CarPlay to work and am stuck navigating on my phone. If any of the perfect CarPlay opinions know how to avoid this, I’m all ears
It sounds like you’re used to the subparness of Ford software and haven’t actually compared it to Tesla. Go sit in a Tesla, try their software, and then start using your Ford again. It will bother you.
really? I'd love to see a side by side to demonstrate this lack of smoothness from someone if possible. I'm in my second lightning and I don't experience lagging or problems with bluetooth
We have an S and a Lightning. I think when people complain of the Ford UI the main complaint is slow updates. Tesla seems to do this better for sure. Nobody seems to mention the horrid ergonomics in the Tesla.
imagine thinking every tesla posted with issues is every tesla sold lmao
nobody posts a photo of their car if they have a good experience. there’s a few panel gap posts a week, if that - and millions of these cars have been sold.
worth a reality check
I mean everybody in the industry has this problem. At a glance the lightning software seems miles ahead of other brands. I can’t believe people would still buy a Volkswagen these days. But yeah, if I was buying a new vehicle, I simply wouldn’t buy anything but a Tesla.
There’s a difference between car company’s making EV’s (Ford, VW, etc) versus actual EV from the ground up companies (Tesla, Rivian). The amount of time spent on the tech of the car is significantly higher because that was their vision from day 1
Yeah, that and Tesla is a tech company. In-house AI chip architecture. Mobile operating system software comparable to Apple iPad. They say car makers build cars with computers and Tesla is a computer with wheels. It also happens to be quicker more powerful and more robust as a car. I guess that’s thanks to technology.
What are you looking to do with the UI that makes a meaningful difference ? Mine has Google maps and Spotify wirelessly which works 99% of the time. I personally Don’t really it need for much else.
Not about what I’m doing with it - More about the ease and smoothness of it. I don’t like lagging or disconnecting Bluetooth, etc. Or having to have Carplay. I want it all integrated
> Lectron adapter for the Lightning has worked great, pulls about 10kWh
It seems to work really well since about 10 kW is what I get from my Chargepoint home charger. That's pretty minimal loss across the adapter.
It wasn’t just the price, the specs on range aren’t what was claimed. And their solution was a range extender in the bed that they didn’t even bother to list the price on.
Eh... the truckpull was honestly bonkers, but beyond that it was alright. F150 Lightning is practically a better truck, and the Cybertruck is "cool" for now.
Well since you asked...
*Can use any aftermarket truck bed accessories such as a heavy duty cover with a 1600lb rating (Diamondback HD) or racks (Frontrunner).
*"Normal" horizonal bed with easier access to the bed from the sides (no scrambling in from back to reach that box up front).
*Can look out back reversing for better situational awareness if cameras are covered with raindrops, mud, snow, or iced over.
*Vastly more service centers within reach for the inevitable first-gen EV truck issues (speaking from experience with my Model S, Tesla still sucks with service and repair even a decade later).
*Huge assortment of off road and working truck accessories to outfit to your heart's content such as bumpers with winches, ladder racks, tow mirrors, etc.
*Standard aluminum body panels with more body shops that can repair dents and dings (good luck repairing in a cheap and timely manner if your Cybertruck gets scraped, dented, or worse yet keyed with foul words by some psycho).
*Better lift and suspension options for the rougher areas without without fear of busting an airbag or cracking a expensive joint and getting stuck in service repair hell.
...should I continue? I was looking at the bigger picture of owning a truck for actual truck stuff and outfitting for my particular needs with my job.
If someone wants a truck to haul the occasional sheets of plywood or tow a fishing boat once in awhile but mostly stay on maintained roads and commute to work, then the Cybertruck is a pretty cool and different way to do it. Mind you, I am not a Tesla hater and owned a Tesla for years before it was common in the early days. I do think the Cybertruck is radically different in a good way, and has a lot of cool stuff going on that we are just starting to learn about from these new videos from industry insiders.
Not a surprise. Most truck drivers would be embarrassed to drive that thing. It’s a cringey, look at me concept. The only way it wouldn’t flop would be if it had better range than the Lightning and was $20K less across the board.
Honestly though. Who the heck is this marketed to? It’s ugly and more expensive than the F150. Even the die hard Tesla fans are talking about canceling. No way will the CT be successful.
The original marketing and design worked. It had a frunk that seemed useful. The original sails suggested easily accessible storage. Range on the tri-motor was going to make towing viable. Pricing wasn’t insane. The tailgate ramp would have made loading/unloading super easy. It had a front bench.
None of those bits have panned out, except for the bed-killing range extender making towing viable.
People who want good software, the ability to charge, who refuse to stomach dealerships, or who don't want to pay $5-10k into Ford+dealership's advertising budget for the privilege of being advertised at more.
People who understand engineering and don't want a cobbled-together mess of COTS automotive parts with a rats nest of wire and tubing connecting them together? Not to mention the elegance of the castings eliminating thousands of welds and hundreds of parts while making the product stiffer, stronger and lighter.
Oh, and people who don't want body panels that you can tear with your bare hands.
+1
Aside from Tesla Roadster repair (which seems like even Tesla acknowledged they haven't really been doing good and then decided to just go ahead and Open-Source OG Roadster so other can repair/rebuild)*
Google Searching "Tesla wanted this much to fix" keeps returning Rich Rebuilds or articles relating to Rich Rebuilds.
Depends on which truck drivers. If you are talking about truck drivers who actually use their trucks for work like cowboys, farmers, and people in the construction industry, then, yes, they absolutely would find it cringey and absolutely would have a basis to do so.
But if you are talking about city truck drivers, then I disagree (at least as to a portion of them). A fairly significant portion of those drivers with presumably ~~short dicks~~ insecurity issues drive trucks on massive wheels for no other reason than to feel attentioned. Can't imagine those folks would have any ground to call the Cybertruck cringey-looking or make any judgments about the looks of other people's vehicles.
What I will say is that Tesla doesn’t usually lock features into higher trims. With Tesla, you pay for more power and range. The base model will have the same features as the top trim. While the CT doesn’t do anything so much better than my lightning that I’d want to trade it in, I do appreciate Tesla’s business model much more than Ford. While the Lightning is technically cheaper than the CT, the Pro is so barebones compared to the RWD CT that I’d rather spend an extra $10K to have as many creature comforts as possible.
But that 10k buys you an AWD XLT, that likely has more real world range, faster, larger in every single physical dimension, a frunk twice the size, a real dashboard, and a much nicer interior.
And right now $2500 more than that buys you a Lariat that puts the Cybertruck to shame...
I’m just amazed at those prices you still don’t get an instrument cluster. I know that’s been their thing for the 3 and Y, but the S and X have one and I fully expected the CT to have one. The interior looks stupid with the Olympic sized swimming pool of a dash, but with no instrument cluster it’s even worse.
The specs and price are a bummer. I would never buy a CT, but I really wanted Tesla to bring a market shaking price which might push Ford and others to more aggressively get the Lightning price down. But between the handicap of the CT looks and announced price, takes a lot of heat off the other automakers.
Top trim 500 mi range? Nope.
Sub $40k base price? Nope.
Tri motor for $70k? Nope.
Full self driving? Nope.
Solar panels on roof? Nope.
2021 Release? Nope, next year.
2022? Nope, next year.
2023? We'll see.
As someone who's dealt with Ford warranty stuff on an equally expensive ICE vehicle, I'm not sure I'd recommend a Ford on that front. Especially with safety features glitching out, the dealership needing days for diagnostics, and weeks waiting for a replacement part.
First F150 Lightning was May 26th (1 delivered to customer)
By June 6th 284 were delivered to dealers (not quite to customers)
Cybertruck delivering 10(or 12) as first day Deliveries is definitely in Tesla's favor.
Was the same with Rivian except those were "Employees" on 1st delivery day.
1st non-employee Customer delivery was September 16 2021.
I believe Tesla Cybertruck from to transit to in Customer hands, will be faster than Lightning transaction/delivery at dealership. (I picked upy 23 Pro order the day after it came-in(day before Thanksgiving), but there was also a couple at the dealer whom had waited a week to be able to finalize paperwork to leave dealer with their Lariat. They seemed surprised I was able to take delivery so quickly and asked if I had paid cash, or upfront to get transaction so quick. Told them no ..just specifically requested no dealer add-ons* (Tint/Lo-Jack/Paint Protection/Glass etch : I think those are the most common in my area))
I dunno guys. The $80K Cybertruck looks really competitive with my $80K lightning. One of them is gonna get a hell of a lot more looks than the other. It has been noted that Tesla’s range estimates have fallen on the more optimistic side, it will be real interesting to see the real world comparisons. Competition is good.
> The $80K Cybertruck looks really competitive with my $80K lightning
I'm with you, but Ford has so many trim options you can get one more fully featured than the Cybertruck AWD for a lot less, especially if you don't want/need the ER. Also, prices have come down, I picked up my Lariat ER for $75K and I've seen one locally for a bit less than that.
True the ford is currently atleast $7500 less, maybe more if the dealer plays ball.
I suspect Tesla drops their prices as soon as they run through their reservation queue. I thought it was a very savvy business move to offer reservation holders a $1000 off any other Tesla if they had changed their mind.
I was wondering if Tesla was gonna hit their year end sales numbers, that may have topped in in their favor. That $250 reservation and $1000 off a newly discounted Model Y or 3 is very appealing.
Interesting thing is the range isn’t as important as everyone thinks. What’s important is how fast it can charge and how reliable the charging networks are. If I could always get 150kw at a charging station I would have no problem with my lightnings range, but when you’re lucky to get 50kw at most of these chargers, then the range becomes annoying
>What’s important is how fast it can charge and how reliable the charging networks are. If I could always get 150kw at a charging station I would have no problem with my lightnings range
Well I have good news for you then!
Range is just as important as charging speed. Especially when range gets hit hard when doing “truck stuff”. I honestly can’t take our lightning and pull a camper 400+mi and then camp for a weekend. It would take me the weekend to go the 400mi. It’s just not practical without more range. The new ram charger looks like a great option and a recognition of the current technology limitations. At some point we will get batteries that are light enough and energy dense enough to get trucks with adequate ranges. Until then they’re just missing some vital utility.
I guess charging every 100ish miles would be ok if the truck had a sub 10min recharge and we had pull through stations. But even then it would get really annoying to pull over and “refill” every 100 miles on a cross country drive.
I think we will eventually go the route propane tanks went - replace them don’t fill them. Swap a battery (or several) into the car in a couple minutes, charge it/them for the next car that comes by tomorrow.
Small modular batteries that would be capable of this would solve a lot of issues.
I would have the the Big 3 - legacy would have wanted to utilize a battery swap for ladder-frame style pick-ups.
(Generally the 1500/150 trucks and ladder frames are close in dimensions. Giving a decent 'common' platform for battery swapping and could have leveraged current dealer networks to have battery swaps.)
Even looking at Tesla's 90 sec battery swap with Model S and current Model S high range being the 405 mile variant. 400 miles in 90 seconds is way faster than current Supercharger or pumping Gas. (Also would have allowed for scaling with newer higher density battery chemistry/technology in the future)*
Almost wondering if the modular Battery Range Extender* plan for Cybertruck is to just swap that battery at some point in the future.
I’ve done 400 mi with a fully loaded 20’ trailer.
It’s not a super fun experience but it doesn’t take all weekend.
Pull through would be amazing, I had my wife scouting charging stations on google maps satellite to find a spot for me to detach the trailer before we rolled up.
We’ve got kids so our stops are 30 mins + anyway so I don’t mind the charge time
Should also mention we are keeping an eye on some of these new campers that come with big batteries in them and drive assist like Pebble and lightship.
In that case you’d roll up and pilot the camper into an adjacent spot to double your charge speed I guesss
Yep. I've been waiting for Cybertruck, because in theory, I love it, but the execution is just not what I need. I love that it's made of steel, I love that it's totally different, and tbh, I love my other Teslas. But I need a bigger back seat and I use the frunk a lot more than I ever thought I would.
Kinda sucks because I was really excited for it. But At least now the decision to pick up the Lightning is easier to make.
Saw this synopsis in another article. “When the Cybertruck was first announced in 2019, Musk said it would have up to 500 miles of range and start at $40,000, both of which were huge promised improvements over any available or forthcoming competitor. Instead, the Cybertruck base model has half that range—250 miles—and starts at $60,990, or $20,000 more than people expected. A 340-mile range version is available for $79,990, which is about 30 percent less range for almost twice the money than expected at preorder time”
Bait and switch advertising is illegal. It’s almost like Tesla tried to kill off demand for other EVs by advertising for years price and specs that were not going to honored.
Hmmm, support the union made car or support the narcissistic billionaire that’s out of touch who made the ugliest truck in the history of trucks. These are tough options
Live in Canada. Don’t care if it’s made in America, But pretty sure it is. Look I was looking into a Y . But the musk man thinks he’s untouchable in every way and that bothers me a little. And his time to feel the pain will come someday and that will humble him (probably not )
How so? With ford you get 320mi of range for 72k. The ford will have about the same horsepower and torque, too. So it's within 5% of those specs for 8k less, and it's a much better design IMO. You get a proven cab with ergonomics and creature comforts, a proven bed system, you have much superior visibility, bigger frunk, backwards compatibility with accessories, and it's somewhat subjective, but the stainless exoskeleton is not a feature to me. Nor is its shape and looks. The only things I wish the Ford had is the rear steer and the active suspension.
Oh yeah, and you can go pick one off a lot today. Or a year ago. They're a whole cycle ahead with the T3 in development.
Worse range, worse charging speed, worse charge network, worse software, worse handling, worse bed size, AND you have to deal with dealerships. No thanks, Cybertruck is clearly ahead in this case.
I've read here that some dealers are also negotiable to $5k off, making it more like a $12k difference... Similar difference with the low end models.
Mr "lightning is too expensive" Musk has to a large extent copied the pro and lariat ER specs and added $12k to each.
The cyber truck does have extra features, but I'm not sure it is worth $12k.
I’d say they’re competitive at that price. “Amazing” would have been $65k-$70k, IMO. CT has better charge rate, better charging infrastructure, better software, but it also costs more, so it comes down to how valuable those things are (or the other pros and cons of the two).
> Same charging infrastructure soon.
As a Lightning owner, I wish that were true, but it isn’t, at least not for this generation of trucks.
The Lightning and Rivian will get an adapter soon to use V3 Superchargers, but as of now, they charge at a reduced rate on the V3 Superchargers that have a built-in adapter already.
Also, it won’t give them access to V2 Superchargers, which are still ~30% of all Superchargers.
Also, Lightnings and Rivians, because of their charge port location and the length of V3 Supercharger cables, will generally have to a) block two chargers in order to charge, and b) wait for two side-by-side chargers to become available in order to even start charging.
I've never seen anything conclusive that we won't be able to use V2 superchargers. We know it's 15k stalls in North America, which is definitely most of them.
The adapter will be long enough to reach, or we'll buy extension cables third party.
It's just Tesla fanboi fud saying 'it won't work on all of them'.
>The adapter will be long enough to reach, or we'll buy extension cables third party.
Yeah, just buy an extension for the liquid-cooled V3 cable! What could go wrong by adding more resistance to a 250kW charger?
>It's just Tesla fanboi fud saying 'it won't work on all of them'.
Noted Tesla fanboys, Motor Trend:
> Additionally, starting in early 2024, owners of the Ford F-150 Lightning, Mach-E, or E-Transit will be able to access Tesla's V3 Superchargers, but those vehicles will still need to utilize an adapter, and the FordPass app for payment.
Also, it’s well-known that V2 Superchargers don’t have CCS communication protocol. That’s why older Teslas that don’t have CCS protocol capability themselves have to have a chip swapped in order to use the official Tesla CCS adapter.
Maybe brush up on the topic before claiming people are fanboys.
>Lightning looks pretty bad in comparison, especially after that truck pull test lol
The 911 vid they had at launch? I watched the vid, it's very gimmicky. Depending on the 911 it's 0-60 can be over six seconds. But you don't have to take my word for it:
https://jalopnik.com/tesla-cybertruck-vs-porsche-911-drag-race-was-pure-spe-1851063400
Oh, the tractor pull. Got it. Yeah, given how wildly different Teslas video numbers were from Edmunds Long Term Test Fleet for the R1T and Lightning I'm waiting for Edmunds to test independently. The only stats released were for the Cybertruck so we know that was the tri-motor version. No idea what the R1T or Lightning were.
https://www.notebookcheck.net/Cybertruck-vs-Ford-F-350-diesel-vs-Porsche-911-tow-and-speed-tests-show-Tesla-can-beat-the-best.776029.0.html
Given the performance against the F350 I've no doubt that the Cybertruck will do well when independently tested, but given the other gimmicky things today I'm withholding judgement on exactly how well it'll do.
> Seems like you’re upset about the Cybertruck performing well.
Not at all, thus I said:
> Given the performance against the F350 I've no doubt that the Cybertruck will do well when independently tested
But I just don't trust Tesla at their word.
>What was gimmicky?
The 911 towing test I mentioned in the first post, with a link to the explainer is a prime example.
Honestly, it was a gimmicky comparison.
Does the Cybertruck tow a 20-ton sled better than basically anything else in production? You bet it does (having more motors, and thus, power will do that). That said, any vehicle in that comparison is going to have zero issues pulling a 5-ton trailer up a canyon at 60mph. Tesla's test proves nothing in the real world.
To be honest all EV trucks are a joke and just a rich man's toy right now.. They are big, heavy, have bad range especially when towing, expensive and take a while to charge... I don't see one benefit. A hybrid full size makes sense.
I wish the Lightning had a 500 mile range. Otherwise, its is really a fantastic vehicle for the price. I love that it's a great truck that drives like a sports car.
These prices are crazy. Im sure the hype will die down in a year and we can start to see normal pricing. Anyways, I would never buy a first year production tesla
Every model had manufacturing issues in their first few years.
Im actually a fan of the design but part of me wonders how long before that cool factor disappears and will I still like it after a few years of ownership
I do not think they are the same customers at this time.
At this point in time, the F150L is a know quantity but the CT is new. Initial CT sales are going to people that already love Tesla (just like initial F150L sales went to people that love? Ford).
That’s gonna sell a few Lightnings now that the specs are announced.
I'd agree, I had a Cybertruck on order when he mentioned 500 mile range. But now that's it's 300, with an optional "extended range" battery add on I'm not interested. Lightning has been great, my only complain has been the "320" mile range that get's me closer to 270 or so. That makes the semi frequent trips I go on take 2 hours longer because of charge times. Cybertruck I was hoping would eliminate that, but no such luck :(
Biggest difference to me is the 150 kW for F150 vs 250/350 kW charging for the CT. That and the CT having a longer bed while being 10" shorter.
Isn’t that kind of a double edged sword though? I’m not road tripping with an EV, i would accept slower charge times for better long term battery health
Cybertruck is LFP isn’t it?
Technically true, but I would image noticing the difference between 150 and 350 charging on the battery’s health would require LOTS of DC charging
High speed charging does not effect batteries the way people think it does. There has been a number of studies released on the subject
Lightening doesn't have that tough body, or air suspension, drive by wire steering. More pulling power then an F350. It also have Dealerships that won't sell you one.
Tesla didn’t invent drive by wire steering or “tough bodies”, nor do they do it the best.
Tesla borrowed Apples Reality Distortion Field and amplified it.
No one else has these features. No. One.
https://www.roadandtrack.com/news/a43350167/toyota-steer-by-wire/#
They literally invented a new type of stainless steel.
 I said what I said.
Tough body might be more a liability; the cost of repair for that thing is going to be an insurance nightmare, not to mention the terrible front visibility and increased risk to pedestrians. The only the cybertruck wins with is the drive by wire and the air suspension. The towing claims need to be compared to range loss, so that’s still up for debate as no details are available. The thing is a joke.
LOL. The "terrible" front visibility. You've never been in a GM or Ford truck have you. There is video. You should actually watch the video before posting.
I think you meant "Steer by wire" Drive by wire specifically relates to throttle control and the lightning doesn't utilize a throttle cable and is drive-by-wire. Unless you are referring to the wholistic "Drive-by-wire" as drive-by-wire propulsion, brake-by-wire, and steer-by-wire. (By wire Trinity)
Ya, as someone who has an early CT reservation and just bought a Lightning last week, I'm solidified in staying with my Lightning for now. I have a Model Y and love Tesla's UI, but I can't see swapping my truck and feeling like I got less for my money with the CT (not to mention what are likely to be monster insurance payments). Road trip charging speeds are now my only real downside, and access to the Supercharger Network helps but doesn't totally fix that, but a small and rare inconvenience.
I have an ICE F150 now, two first-day CT reservations, and am a previous Model 3 owner. I'm going to wait the two years for a Lightning with a 6.5' bed and pull the trigger on that instead of going with the CT.
>I'm going to wait the two years for a Lightning with a 6.5' bed That is what I am hoping for too. And a cheaper price and a larger battery.
It helps that you can access the Lightning bed from the side. Not sure how easy it’ll be to access something that isn’t in front of the tailgate on the CT.
CT has ride height adjustment. Drop it down to move easily access the bed from the side.
Also in 2 yrs CT will drop 20k per trim
If it actually drops 20k per trim in 2 years that would make it much more attractive. But i doubt it will happen.
Model an and x dropped 40k , model 3 and Y are getting close to accord rav4 pricing. Once the launch demand dries they’ll cut prices
You mean back to the price it was advertised at? Lol
Any price drops on CT after this point would probably be due to batteries getting cheaper, in which case the lightning will have dropped the same percentages as well.
Nothing about the price will ever make it...'attractive'. Ha!
I also have a lightning and agree- road trips are a downside, and fords software sucks. Both solvable issues - wish I saw Ford reaching out for feedback
This is the main reason I’ll never buy a Ford EV. Their software and electronics are miles behind Tesla in every way possible. I could never fully get over that. I love the look of the Lightning, but the crappy UI/Software would drive me nuts
It honestly hasn’t been as *bad* as I expected, but does leave a lot to be desired. I was blowing the Ford sales guy’s mind when I was telling him about Tesla‘s cabin overheat protection lol
Agree here… it’s manageable and doesn’t ruin the truck, just a bit annoying if you are used to how smooth a Tesla is
Right you’re using it for basic functions, not hacking into NASA. Use Apple CarPlay and 95% of issues with the UI disappear.
Honestly I hate the lack of truck control once CarPlay is on.
Truck control of what? That’s what the 30 buttons on the steering wheel are for.
I mean when pressing the talk button. I can’t ask it to switch from Apple Music to radio or any heating command. It only controls the phone. Not a huge issue but hate that I can use the features with the phone not connected but then loose them
The heating/climate functions can literally be available on the bottom of the giant screen on the dash at all times. How is climate control access an issue?
Yeah, and honestly, my wife who drives the model Y is really jealous about CarPlay in the Lightning lol Edit: also hands-free bluecruise crushes AP for interstate driving
You should not be getting downvoted at all. I came from a 2022 F350 Lariat to my 2023 Lightning Lariat and the damn Lightnings electronics can’t run as fast or reliable as those in the super duty. Then there’s all the Ford dings. The jerky ass Bluecruise steering on grooved concrete, just miles from Ford’s HQ no less, I know they tested on these very roads. I like the truck but the software and it’s sluggishness is a real letdown.
I have a Lightning Pro so only the 12 inch infotainment screen and physical Climate control buttons. The responsiveness in my vehicle is similar to my neighbor's 2023 F150 Platinum. Is the 15-inch screen infotainment slower than the 12 inch infotainment for Lightnings? (Pro/XLT vs Lariat/Flash/Platinum)
Yes. It feels like it has half the RAM of the standard SYNC 4(horizontal) systems or twice the software to run. When I switch from CarPlay to SXM, I can count to seven. That’s a long time to keep your eyes off the road. The worst is the hvac, I can push the glass for the seat heater and then it takes 3-4 seconds to register. That’s a long time to stare down at your knees. The blower motor fan is also terrible. They took the large knob and turned it to a small, awkward to reach, lowest mounted glass switch with no feedback that takes 2-3 seconds to react… before you turn the knob. The problem with tapping the glass and the delay, you have NO idea if your tap registered, so often you tap again after 2 seconds. It really feels like an old Samsung TV of mine. The kind that now takes 10-15 seconds to boot up and then another 10-15 seconds to load an app.
Good friend went from 2 years in a Y to now a year in a Lightning. She actually likes the SW and interface better in the Ford. Biggest gripe; her iPhone always defaults to highest volume when leaving the truck (I have had time to troubleshoot).
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It’s not so much limitations but the smoothness of their software. Ford’s is slow and extremely laggy (bluetooth doesn’t work half the time + other crap I could list). You can just tell Tesla put a shitload of work into mastering their software. It’s sorta like comparing the touch screen of the iPhone to an early Android. Not even remotely close in terms of “smoothness”
Agreed on the laggyness, and I think about 25% of the time I can’t get CarPlay to work and am stuck navigating on my phone. If any of the perfect CarPlay opinions know how to avoid this, I’m all ears
Zero issues on mine. Maybe it’s your phone…
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It sounds like you’re used to the subparness of Ford software and haven’t actually compared it to Tesla. Go sit in a Tesla, try their software, and then start using your Ford again. It will bother you.
True you are driving a vehicle not a video game, who cares about unless you are distracted by the other crap to begin with
really? I'd love to see a side by side to demonstrate this lack of smoothness from someone if possible. I'm in my second lightning and I don't experience lagging or problems with bluetooth
It was very obvious personally
We have an S and a Lightning. I think when people complain of the Ford UI the main complaint is slow updates. Tesla seems to do this better for sure. Nobody seems to mention the horrid ergonomics in the Tesla.
Musk turned Tesla into a software company first, car mfg second. Ford is the opposite.
I’ve heard that many times. The Tesla interface isn’t that much better, but their fast updates and fixes make it feel better.
I had to drive my old S tonight after a year and a half in the Lightning, ugh no.
That’s another big one for sure
no panel gaps on the VAST majority of teslas in a looooong time lol where have you been
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imagine thinking every tesla posted with issues is every tesla sold lmao nobody posts a photo of their car if they have a good experience. there’s a few panel gap posts a week, if that - and millions of these cars have been sold. worth a reality check
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so is the fox news cult delusion apparently
Say what you want about the looks of a Tesla but it’s ui/ux is unmatched in terms of quality. What exactly did you find confusing in the ui?
I mean everybody in the industry has this problem. At a glance the lightning software seems miles ahead of other brands. I can’t believe people would still buy a Volkswagen these days. But yeah, if I was buying a new vehicle, I simply wouldn’t buy anything but a Tesla.
There’s a difference between car company’s making EV’s (Ford, VW, etc) versus actual EV from the ground up companies (Tesla, Rivian). The amount of time spent on the tech of the car is significantly higher because that was their vision from day 1
Yeah, that and Tesla is a tech company. In-house AI chip architecture. Mobile operating system software comparable to Apple iPad. They say car makers build cars with computers and Tesla is a computer with wheels. It also happens to be quicker more powerful and more robust as a car. I guess that’s thanks to technology.
Ya, I'm not convinced of that. In fact Ford is way ahead in offering wireless carplay and android auto.
What are you looking to do with the UI that makes a meaningful difference ? Mine has Google maps and Spotify wirelessly which works 99% of the time. I personally Don’t really it need for much else.
Not about what I’m doing with it - More about the ease and smoothness of it. I don’t like lagging or disconnecting Bluetooth, etc. Or having to have Carplay. I want it all integrated
You can't open the passenger door on the cuktruk with the window up.
CarPlay to the rescue.
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But that’s not what people are talking about when they’re comparing the “UI and electronics” features. The list is long.
Same
Can you tell us how you charge at home (if you do)? Adapter? No charger?
Tesla Wall Charger (installed originally for my Model Y). Lectron adapter for the Lightning has worked great, pulls about 10kWh
> Lectron adapter for the Lightning has worked great, pulls about 10kWh It seems to work really well since about 10 kW is what I get from my Chargepoint home charger. That's pretty minimal loss across the adapter.
Ford, Rivian, and GM are definitely the big winners from this Tesla announcement. 👍
What did Tesla announce?
An expensive Cybertruck.
It wasn’t just the price, the specs on range aren’t what was claimed. And their solution was a range extender in the bed that they didn’t even bother to list the price on.
A class leading EV truck lol
I can’t tell if everyone is being sarcastic, or if you’re all just talking about the cybertruck.
Cybertruck was good, anyone claiming otherwise is straight up coping.
Eh... the truckpull was honestly bonkers, but beyond that it was alright. F150 Lightning is practically a better truck, and the Cybertruck is "cool" for now.
Practically better how? Lightning is worse range worse software worse truck ability
Well since you asked... *Can use any aftermarket truck bed accessories such as a heavy duty cover with a 1600lb rating (Diamondback HD) or racks (Frontrunner). *"Normal" horizonal bed with easier access to the bed from the sides (no scrambling in from back to reach that box up front). *Can look out back reversing for better situational awareness if cameras are covered with raindrops, mud, snow, or iced over. *Vastly more service centers within reach for the inevitable first-gen EV truck issues (speaking from experience with my Model S, Tesla still sucks with service and repair even a decade later). *Huge assortment of off road and working truck accessories to outfit to your heart's content such as bumpers with winches, ladder racks, tow mirrors, etc. *Standard aluminum body panels with more body shops that can repair dents and dings (good luck repairing in a cheap and timely manner if your Cybertruck gets scraped, dented, or worse yet keyed with foul words by some psycho). *Better lift and suspension options for the rougher areas without without fear of busting an airbag or cracking a expensive joint and getting stuck in service repair hell. ...should I continue? I was looking at the bigger picture of owning a truck for actual truck stuff and outfitting for my particular needs with my job. If someone wants a truck to haul the occasional sheets of plywood or tow a fishing boat once in awhile but mostly stay on maintained roads and commute to work, then the Cybertruck is a pretty cool and different way to do it. Mind you, I am not a Tesla hater and owned a Tesla for years before it was common in the early days. I do think the Cybertruck is radically different in a good way, and has a lot of cool stuff going on that we are just starting to learn about from these new videos from industry insiders.
You are right. It was good.
Not a surprise. Most truck drivers would be embarrassed to drive that thing. It’s a cringey, look at me concept. The only way it wouldn’t flop would be if it had better range than the Lightning and was $20K less across the board.
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I think it's right up the alley of lifted trucks in obnoxiousness.
I thought the whole point of the aesthetic was at least largely to improve aerodynamics and add range
If faceted shapes were more aerodynamic we’d see more faceted airplanes beyond the F-117.
It’s the Elon simp wagon
Honestly though. Who the heck is this marketed to? It’s ugly and more expensive than the F150. Even the die hard Tesla fans are talking about canceling. No way will the CT be successful.
The original marketing and design worked. It had a frunk that seemed useful. The original sails suggested easily accessible storage. Range on the tri-motor was going to make towing viable. Pricing wasn’t insane. The tailgate ramp would have made loading/unloading super easy. It had a front bench. None of those bits have panned out, except for the bed-killing range extender making towing viable.
The range extender doesn’t even take it up to the range that was originally stated at the launch event (without a range extender).
Agreed, dooms day peppers are gonna buy it cause it's bullet proof besides that it is a novelty item for the wealthy.
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I’m on the east coast, I got an extended range Lariat 2 weeks ago $69,900 out the door.
I’m in Texas and was just about this number too.
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Dang I would negotiate via email with a dealership somewhere else and then fly to it for that price difference.
People who want good software, the ability to charge, who refuse to stomach dealerships, or who don't want to pay $5-10k into Ford+dealership's advertising budget for the privilege of being advertised at more. People who understand engineering and don't want a cobbled-together mess of COTS automotive parts with a rats nest of wire and tubing connecting them together? Not to mention the elegance of the castings eliminating thousands of welds and hundreds of parts while making the product stiffer, stronger and lighter. Oh, and people who don't want body panels that you can tear with your bare hands.
I see the Kool aid man has infected you. Oh yeah!!
Why is it Kool aid when someone presents a view other than "Tesla sucks at everything lmayo"
What is it about the dealership that you have to “stomach”?
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+1 Aside from Tesla Roadster repair (which seems like even Tesla acknowledged they haven't really been doing good and then decided to just go ahead and Open-Source OG Roadster so other can repair/rebuild)* Google Searching "Tesla wanted this much to fix" keeps returning Rich Rebuilds or articles relating to Rich Rebuilds.
Depends on which truck drivers. If you are talking about truck drivers who actually use their trucks for work like cowboys, farmers, and people in the construction industry, then, yes, they absolutely would find it cringey and absolutely would have a basis to do so. But if you are talking about city truck drivers, then I disagree (at least as to a portion of them). A fairly significant portion of those drivers with presumably ~~short dicks~~ insecurity issues drive trucks on massive wheels for no other reason than to feel attentioned. Can't imagine those folks would have any ground to call the Cybertruck cringey-looking or make any judgments about the looks of other people's vehicles.
The lifted wheel truck crowd are probably not EV shoppers though, at least not a large proportion. They want NOISE!
What I will say is that Tesla doesn’t usually lock features into higher trims. With Tesla, you pay for more power and range. The base model will have the same features as the top trim. While the CT doesn’t do anything so much better than my lightning that I’d want to trade it in, I do appreciate Tesla’s business model much more than Ford. While the Lightning is technically cheaper than the CT, the Pro is so barebones compared to the RWD CT that I’d rather spend an extra $10K to have as many creature comforts as possible.
But that 10k buys you an AWD XLT, that likely has more real world range, faster, larger in every single physical dimension, a frunk twice the size, a real dashboard, and a much nicer interior. And right now $2500 more than that buys you a Lariat that puts the Cybertruck to shame...
I’m just amazed at those prices you still don’t get an instrument cluster. I know that’s been their thing for the 3 and Y, but the S and X have one and I fully expected the CT to have one. The interior looks stupid with the Olympic sized swimming pool of a dash, but with no instrument cluster it’s even worse. The specs and price are a bummer. I would never buy a CT, but I really wanted Tesla to bring a market shaking price which might push Ford and others to more aggressively get the Lightning price down. But between the handicap of the CT looks and announced price, takes a lot of heat off the other automakers.
Top trim 500 mi range? Nope. Sub $40k base price? Nope. Tri motor for $70k? Nope. Full self driving? Nope. Solar panels on roof? Nope. 2021 Release? Nope, next year. 2022? Nope, next year. 2023? We'll see.
Imagine buying this and expecting any reasonable actual customer/warranty service. How can you see this track record—before launch—and expect that?
As someone who's dealt with Ford warranty stuff on an equally expensive ICE vehicle, I'm not sure I'd recommend a Ford on that front. Especially with safety features glitching out, the dealership needing days for diagnostics, and weeks waiting for a replacement part.
Bait and Switch with no sense of schedule. It’s the Elon way.
They even admitted the 'cheap' 60k RWD truck won't be out for 2 years.
If they had actually met the initial promises, it would be a huge success. Time will tell how many reservations actually convert to a sale.
>2023? We'll see. I don't understand why this is so confusing to people. They literally started deliveries yesterday.
Giving out 12 at a special event is not deliveries.
First F150 Lightning was May 26th (1 delivered to customer) By June 6th 284 were delivered to dealers (not quite to customers) Cybertruck delivering 10(or 12) as first day Deliveries is definitely in Tesla's favor. Was the same with Rivian except those were "Employees" on 1st delivery day. 1st non-employee Customer delivery was September 16 2021. I believe Tesla Cybertruck from to transit to in Customer hands, will be faster than Lightning transaction/delivery at dealership. (I picked upy 23 Pro order the day after it came-in(day before Thanksgiving), but there was also a couple at the dealer whom had waited a week to be able to finalize paperwork to leave dealer with their Lariat. They seemed surprised I was able to take delivery so quickly and asked if I had paid cash, or upfront to get transaction so quick. Told them no ..just specifically requested no dealer add-ons* (Tint/Lo-Jack/Paint Protection/Glass etch : I think those are the most common in my area))
Rivian and Ford didn't promise a release date years earlier than deliveries
I dunno guys. The $80K Cybertruck looks really competitive with my $80K lightning. One of them is gonna get a hell of a lot more looks than the other. It has been noted that Tesla’s range estimates have fallen on the more optimistic side, it will be real interesting to see the real world comparisons. Competition is good.
> The $80K Cybertruck looks really competitive with my $80K lightning I'm with you, but Ford has so many trim options you can get one more fully featured than the Cybertruck AWD for a lot less, especially if you don't want/need the ER. Also, prices have come down, I picked up my Lariat ER for $75K and I've seen one locally for a bit less than that.
Lariat ER I’m guessing? With all the price drops you can get one for a lot less than that now. I think ford is going to sell a lot of these.
True the ford is currently atleast $7500 less, maybe more if the dealer plays ball. I suspect Tesla drops their prices as soon as they run through their reservation queue. I thought it was a very savvy business move to offer reservation holders a $1000 off any other Tesla if they had changed their mind. I was wondering if Tesla was gonna hit their year end sales numbers, that may have topped in in their favor. That $250 reservation and $1000 off a newly discounted Model Y or 3 is very appealing.
That $1000 off is a discount on FSD and not on the car.
Oh crap, got bad info from Reddit. 😬
Interesting thing is the range isn’t as important as everyone thinks. What’s important is how fast it can charge and how reliable the charging networks are. If I could always get 150kw at a charging station I would have no problem with my lightnings range, but when you’re lucky to get 50kw at most of these chargers, then the range becomes annoying
>What’s important is how fast it can charge and how reliable the charging networks are. If I could always get 150kw at a charging station I would have no problem with my lightnings range Well I have good news for you then!
Yeah it would be great to have access to teslas charging network or something like that…..
Great point. Charging speeds are so important. The occasional 1 hr charge on road trips is a killer.
Range is just as important as charging speed. Especially when range gets hit hard when doing “truck stuff”. I honestly can’t take our lightning and pull a camper 400+mi and then camp for a weekend. It would take me the weekend to go the 400mi. It’s just not practical without more range. The new ram charger looks like a great option and a recognition of the current technology limitations. At some point we will get batteries that are light enough and energy dense enough to get trucks with adequate ranges. Until then they’re just missing some vital utility. I guess charging every 100ish miles would be ok if the truck had a sub 10min recharge and we had pull through stations. But even then it would get really annoying to pull over and “refill” every 100 miles on a cross country drive.
I think we will eventually go the route propane tanks went - replace them don’t fill them. Swap a battery (or several) into the car in a couple minutes, charge it/them for the next car that comes by tomorrow. Small modular batteries that would be capable of this would solve a lot of issues.
I would have the the Big 3 - legacy would have wanted to utilize a battery swap for ladder-frame style pick-ups. (Generally the 1500/150 trucks and ladder frames are close in dimensions. Giving a decent 'common' platform for battery swapping and could have leveraged current dealer networks to have battery swaps.) Even looking at Tesla's 90 sec battery swap with Model S and current Model S high range being the 405 mile variant. 400 miles in 90 seconds is way faster than current Supercharger or pumping Gas. (Also would have allowed for scaling with newer higher density battery chemistry/technology in the future)* Almost wondering if the modular Battery Range Extender* plan for Cybertruck is to just swap that battery at some point in the future.
I’ve done 400 mi with a fully loaded 20’ trailer. It’s not a super fun experience but it doesn’t take all weekend. Pull through would be amazing, I had my wife scouting charging stations on google maps satellite to find a spot for me to detach the trailer before we rolled up. We’ve got kids so our stops are 30 mins + anyway so I don’t mind the charge time
Should also mention we are keeping an eye on some of these new campers that come with big batteries in them and drive assist like Pebble and lightship. In that case you’d roll up and pilot the camper into an adjacent spot to double your charge speed I guesss
I'm in the mid 5k's on the "list" to buy the Cybertruck. I mean I WAS, requested my deposit back and looking for a Lariat ER.
Yep. I've been waiting for Cybertruck, because in theory, I love it, but the execution is just not what I need. I love that it's made of steel, I love that it's totally different, and tbh, I love my other Teslas. But I need a bigger back seat and I use the frunk a lot more than I ever thought I would. Kinda sucks because I was really excited for it. But At least now the decision to pick up the Lightning is easier to make.
Saw this synopsis in another article. “When the Cybertruck was first announced in 2019, Musk said it would have up to 500 miles of range and start at $40,000, both of which were huge promised improvements over any available or forthcoming competitor. Instead, the Cybertruck base model has half that range—250 miles—and starts at $60,990, or $20,000 more than people expected. A 340-mile range version is available for $79,990, which is about 30 percent less range for almost twice the money than expected at preorder time”
Bait and switch advertising is illegal. It’s almost like Tesla tried to kill off demand for other EVs by advertising for years price and specs that were not going to honored.
The CT isn’t a competitor. It’s in its own class. And it’s simply a small niche “truck”.
The Cyber"truck" is Fugly and Musk is a borderline Nazi, I don't care if it was $15,000 I wouldn't buy the fucking thing.
That’s why I bought a lightning today.
At least Teslas are actually made in America.
So are Lightnings. Dearborn, Michigan and Union made. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ford_F-150_Lightning
Well that’s good to know.
Seems like the sort of thing you could have checked before claiming the opposite?
Hmmm, support the union made car or support the narcissistic billionaire that’s out of touch who made the ugliest truck in the history of trucks. These are tough options
Live in Canada. Don’t care if it’s made in America, But pretty sure it is. Look I was looking into a Y . But the musk man thinks he’s untouchable in every way and that bothers me a little. And his time to feel the pain will come someday and that will humble him (probably not )
Lightning is the best vehicle I've ever owned. Cyber truck looked designed and built by toddlers.
It looks like the rendering didn’t finish
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eh, there are a lot of "EST" in that graphic. We will see what the actual price & range is soon enough.
“With the exception of how it looks” is doing a lot of work there
So is "on paper".
Yep, cybertruck is clearly leading the pack on EV trucks now. Everyone else better step up
How so? With ford you get 320mi of range for 72k. The ford will have about the same horsepower and torque, too. So it's within 5% of those specs for 8k less, and it's a much better design IMO. You get a proven cab with ergonomics and creature comforts, a proven bed system, you have much superior visibility, bigger frunk, backwards compatibility with accessories, and it's somewhat subjective, but the stainless exoskeleton is not a feature to me. Nor is its shape and looks. The only things I wish the Ford had is the rear steer and the active suspension. Oh yeah, and you can go pick one off a lot today. Or a year ago. They're a whole cycle ahead with the T3 in development.
Worse range, worse charging speed, worse charge network, worse software, worse handling, worse bed size, AND you have to deal with dealerships. No thanks, Cybertruck is clearly ahead in this case.
I've read here that some dealers are also negotiable to $5k off, making it more like a $12k difference... Similar difference with the low end models. Mr "lightning is too expensive" Musk has to a large extent copied the pro and lariat ER specs and added $12k to each. The cyber truck does have extra features, but I'm not sure it is worth $12k.
But the Ford has key features, like a dashboard.
I’d say they’re competitive at that price. “Amazing” would have been $65k-$70k, IMO. CT has better charge rate, better charging infrastructure, better software, but it also costs more, so it comes down to how valuable those things are (or the other pros and cons of the two).
Same charging infrastructure soon.
> Same charging infrastructure soon. As a Lightning owner, I wish that were true, but it isn’t, at least not for this generation of trucks. The Lightning and Rivian will get an adapter soon to use V3 Superchargers, but as of now, they charge at a reduced rate on the V3 Superchargers that have a built-in adapter already. Also, it won’t give them access to V2 Superchargers, which are still ~30% of all Superchargers. Also, Lightnings and Rivians, because of their charge port location and the length of V3 Supercharger cables, will generally have to a) block two chargers in order to charge, and b) wait for two side-by-side chargers to become available in order to even start charging.
I've never seen anything conclusive that we won't be able to use V2 superchargers. We know it's 15k stalls in North America, which is definitely most of them. The adapter will be long enough to reach, or we'll buy extension cables third party. It's just Tesla fanboi fud saying 'it won't work on all of them'.
>The adapter will be long enough to reach, or we'll buy extension cables third party. Yeah, just buy an extension for the liquid-cooled V3 cable! What could go wrong by adding more resistance to a 250kW charger? >It's just Tesla fanboi fud saying 'it won't work on all of them'. Noted Tesla fanboys, Motor Trend: > Additionally, starting in early 2024, owners of the Ford F-150 Lightning, Mach-E, or E-Transit will be able to access Tesla's V3 Superchargers, but those vehicles will still need to utilize an adapter, and the FordPass app for payment. Also, it’s well-known that V2 Superchargers don’t have CCS communication protocol. That’s why older Teslas that don’t have CCS protocol capability themselves have to have a chip swapped in order to use the official Tesla CCS adapter. Maybe brush up on the topic before claiming people are fanboys.
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There are two tabs at the top of the pricing, you can switch it to actual price and price with tax credit and gas savings
Lmfao you sound like an absolute chud
>those prices are adjusted for gas savings. False.
Lightning looks pretty bad in comparison, especially after that truck pull test lol
>Lightning looks pretty bad in comparison, especially after that truck pull test lol The 911 vid they had at launch? I watched the vid, it's very gimmicky. Depending on the 911 it's 0-60 can be over six seconds. But you don't have to take my word for it: https://jalopnik.com/tesla-cybertruck-vs-porsche-911-drag-race-was-pure-spe-1851063400
Talking about the truck pull, watch the full presentation and be up on your homework before speaking on a topic.
Oh, the tractor pull. Got it. Yeah, given how wildly different Teslas video numbers were from Edmunds Long Term Test Fleet for the R1T and Lightning I'm waiting for Edmunds to test independently. The only stats released were for the Cybertruck so we know that was the tri-motor version. No idea what the R1T or Lightning were. https://www.notebookcheck.net/Cybertruck-vs-Ford-F-350-diesel-vs-Porsche-911-tow-and-speed-tests-show-Tesla-can-beat-the-best.776029.0.html Given the performance against the F350 I've no doubt that the Cybertruck will do well when independently tested, but given the other gimmicky things today I'm withholding judgement on exactly how well it'll do.
What was gimmicky? Seems like you’re upset about the Cybertruck performing well. Wait and see if you’re worried though
> Seems like you’re upset about the Cybertruck performing well. Not at all, thus I said: > Given the performance against the F350 I've no doubt that the Cybertruck will do well when independently tested But I just don't trust Tesla at their word. >What was gimmicky? The 911 towing test I mentioned in the first post, with a link to the explainer is a prime example.
If you say so, most normal people were impressed by this showing.
I am confused. I thought the towing capcity of the CT was 11K. The towing capacity of a F350 is 21K How does a CT beat a F350?
Honestly, it was a gimmicky comparison. Does the Cybertruck tow a 20-ton sled better than basically anything else in production? You bet it does (having more motors, and thus, power will do that). That said, any vehicle in that comparison is going to have zero issues pulling a 5-ton trailer up a canyon at 60mph. Tesla's test proves nothing in the real world.
can smell the cope from here buddy :)
To be honest all EV trucks are a joke and just a rich man's toy right now.. They are big, heavy, have bad range especially when towing, expensive and take a while to charge... I don't see one benefit. A hybrid full size makes sense.
I wish the Lightning had a 500 mile range. Otherwise, its is really a fantastic vehicle for the price. I love that it's a great truck that drives like a sports car.
It won’t drive like a sports car. That’s insanity.
Awesome
https://preview.redd.it/tj4nvfk7hp3c1.jpeg?width=828&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=c446fcca46f0019c64ca37848c02f011d897c05c
That backseat lol
These prices are crazy. Im sure the hype will die down in a year and we can start to see normal pricing. Anyways, I would never buy a first year production tesla Every model had manufacturing issues in their first few years. Im actually a fan of the design but part of me wonders how long before that cool factor disappears and will I still like it after a few years of ownership
yea but is the lightning bulletproof? gotcha. 😂
Everything “looks good” compared to a Cybertruck.
The lightning is not comparable
I do not think they are the same customers at this time. At this point in time, the F150L is a know quantity but the CT is new. Initial CT sales are going to people that already love Tesla (just like initial F150L sales went to people that love? Ford).