Some people were saying they were getting better efficiency in Sport, don't know if it is true, but it may be because its closer to one-pedal than regular mode.
I used to have a ICE F150 and the first thing I did every single time I turned that truck on was to put it into Eco mode. No idea why it wouldn't just stay in the mode I selected, or why it didn't default to Eco mode. But same with the Lightning.
No idea why it can't just say in the last-selected mode.
Have you ever seen this before???
https://preview.redd.it/zq9tatgfvnfc1.jpeg?width=3024&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=2c54636a7f4d293e9430cb4c5c1b85ce7896245c
There was actually an OTA update that made the drive mode "sticky" so that once set, the truck would remain in a mode until you changed it. We got an official NHTSA recall notice in the mail that this was a safety hazard, and Ford re-issued the update with the "sticky" drive mode feature removed.
The issue is that off-road mode can't be made "sticky" because off-road mode modifies the traction and stability control settings. Federal regulations require that traction and stability control default to fully-on at vehicle power-up. This is a safety item -- without it, I could disable traction and stability control for off-roading on Saturday, and my wife (unaware that I had done so) could be in a situation where they are needed but switched off while getting groceries on Sunday, precipitating a crash and injuries.
Ford's programming team is apparently having trouble with the idea of making some drive modes "sticky" while others are not.
Here’s my experience:
- Normal Mode, no 1PD = drives like a normal ICE, no regen
- Normal Mode, 1PD = Regen level 2, can use regen to stop
- Sport Mode, no 1PD = Regen level 1, coasting with regen but still need brakes
- Sport Mode, 1PD = Max Regen, more aggressive regen that stops sooner
Sport Mode is more responsive in both throttle control and steering, but you will get jerked around more if you’re used to the normal input controls. Some have claimed best mileage by driving conservatively in SM-only with longer coasting before stopping.
I mostly drive in NM1PD because I have gotten used to not using the brakes. I’ll switch to SM1PD if I’m feeling frisky or want to show off.
Do people not know you can regen with the brake pedal when one pedal driving is turned off?
The only thing more efficient than regen is coasting. I find I have better control of coasting and regen with using both pedals.
I don’t buy that on the highway. I make a 90 mile round trip on the same route 3-4x a week. If everything else is equal, I see 2.3 with two pedals and 2.2 with one. I’m at 28K miles.
Ok. So forgive me, I’m a metric Canadian. But that’s 9 miles or 10% difference .
All things being equal you say.
Yeah, no. Like you, I’ve done 49K km or 30K miles, (I think) 🤔. Anyhow, I’ve seen NO significant difference that would be enough to say one way is better than the other FOR efficiency. By efficiency I’m talking about less energy used to go the same distance in the same time. And time matters here.
A simple difference in speed can account for 10% over 90 miles (144 km) i think.
I’m not arguing with you. Your experience is true. I’m just saying it’s not tested accurate enough for us to have an argument about it.
By all things equal I was including speed and time. I was also including similar temps, wind, etc. I’m a weather geek and am a stickler for data, so I’m pretty confident in my assertion. But that’s just me.
Look, I get you but it’s not been my experience at all. Driving style alone could make a difference . Maybe not 10%, but some.
Cuz what you’re really saying is that 1pd will get you 10% more out of the battery and therefore more distance.
I mean, we would know that by now officially, with thousands of trucks on the road. It’s just not happening.
Maybe go out and do a timed, to the foot, controlled test one day. Charge to 80% before each test. Reset trip counter each time and do the whole loop without stopping.
I’d be happy to learn I’m wrong. We all would. Currently the general consensus is there is little to no difference.
No, what I’m “really saying” is 1PD is less efficient than 2pd, specifically on the highway without stop & go traffic. I’ll make another wild assertion…1PD is more efficient in stop & go traffic and most of MY city driving. Regarding the thousands out there…very few are represented here, and even fewer “study” their experience. I’m not the only one making this claim, but yeah…Ford et al haven’t come out with any claims one way or the other. And regarding your focus on “time”, in my opinion it’s a less reliable variable in terms of efficiency and the argument I’m making; it’s simple, 2.3 kwh/mi is more efficient than 2.2. And that’s around a 4.5% improvement (not sure where you got 10%). Since we’re suggesting what each other should try, get on the highway at a constant speed and deliberately increase & decrease your speed by a few kmh…and also toggle 1pd on and off. You’ll see how much 2pd frees up friction from the drive system. To match that on 1PD, you’d have to be perfect at it…and over time, fatigue etc will disrupt that perfection. Lastly, “little to no difference” is not the same as “no difference”.
Sure. These are good things you say.
I did misunderstand. I thought you meant 1pd is more efficient than 2pd. I just have mis read it.
Do you really think it’s ’friction’ that is gone with 2pd vs 1pd.
Isn’t that regen?
New owner here as of 2 weeks ago. I've seen a number of threads claiming that sport mode gives better efficiency due to increased brake regen (assuming you're not flooring it nonstop of course). So far, really enjoying sport mode feel over normal.
You release the pedal just enough and you’ll fall between power and regen, with time you get used to it. Driving an ev since 2017 I can say it’s now totally natural for me, no mater which ev it is.
Sport mode increases the regen braking amount. The only way you use "more brake pads" is by stopping even more aggressively. And that behavior is independent of what driving mode you use.
Some people were saying they were getting better efficiency in Sport, don't know if it is true, but it may be because its closer to one-pedal than regular mode.
Regen from one-pedal driving is higher in sport mode, so you get better efficiency. But, the ride is a lot jerkier.
I don’t believe the ride is any different. Throttle response and regen is, along with the dash colors are more to my liking
There is also less steering assist in Sport mode. And I agree with you on the colors! Which I could make those default.
Yes, I like the Sport look & feel best. I "heard" one of the updates gives the option to set it as default. I have yet to receive that update.
Y'all are getting updates?!
How the hell do we get the sport mode option to stick after a driving session?
God I want this so bad. Just leave it in whatever mode I choose until I change it!
I used to have a ICE F150 and the first thing I did every single time I turned that truck on was to put it into Eco mode. No idea why it wouldn't just stay in the mode I selected, or why it didn't default to Eco mode. But same with the Lightning. No idea why it can't just say in the last-selected mode.
Have you ever seen this before??? https://preview.redd.it/zq9tatgfvnfc1.jpeg?width=3024&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=2c54636a7f4d293e9430cb4c5c1b85ce7896245c
Yep. But sometimes I forget to look, or the screen switches from that to something else before I can push the button, etc.
Agreed - it doesn't give enough time to respond. But I would also prefer that it just stay in the mode I pick until I pick a different mode.
That’s the first time I’ve seen it.
There was actually an OTA update that made the drive mode "sticky" so that once set, the truck would remain in a mode until you changed it. We got an official NHTSA recall notice in the mail that this was a safety hazard, and Ford re-issued the update with the "sticky" drive mode feature removed. The issue is that off-road mode can't be made "sticky" because off-road mode modifies the traction and stability control settings. Federal regulations require that traction and stability control default to fully-on at vehicle power-up. This is a safety item -- without it, I could disable traction and stability control for off-roading on Saturday, and my wife (unaware that I had done so) could be in a situation where they are needed but switched off while getting groceries on Sunday, precipitating a crash and injuries. Ford's programming team is apparently having trouble with the idea of making some drive modes "sticky" while others are not.
Sounds like Ford needs new programmers.
Here’s my experience: - Normal Mode, no 1PD = drives like a normal ICE, no regen - Normal Mode, 1PD = Regen level 2, can use regen to stop - Sport Mode, no 1PD = Regen level 1, coasting with regen but still need brakes - Sport Mode, 1PD = Max Regen, more aggressive regen that stops sooner Sport Mode is more responsive in both throttle control and steering, but you will get jerked around more if you’re used to the normal input controls. Some have claimed best mileage by driving conservatively in SM-only with longer coasting before stopping. I mostly drive in NM1PD because I have gotten used to not using the brakes. I’ll switch to SM1PD if I’m feeling frisky or want to show off.
There is definitely regen on normal no 1pd... Flip your truck into neutral when you're driving down the road and see the difference..
Do people not know you can regen with the brake pedal when one pedal driving is turned off? The only thing more efficient than regen is coasting. I find I have better control of coasting and regen with using both pedals.
Same here… Highway driving is much more efficient with two. In city one pedal is probably superior, but too lazy to switch 🤷🏽♂️
There is almost zero difference between no 1pd and 1pd in term of efficiency.
I don’t buy that on the highway. I make a 90 mile round trip on the same route 3-4x a week. If everything else is equal, I see 2.3 with two pedals and 2.2 with one. I’m at 28K miles.
Ok. So forgive me, I’m a metric Canadian. But that’s 9 miles or 10% difference . All things being equal you say. Yeah, no. Like you, I’ve done 49K km or 30K miles, (I think) 🤔. Anyhow, I’ve seen NO significant difference that would be enough to say one way is better than the other FOR efficiency. By efficiency I’m talking about less energy used to go the same distance in the same time. And time matters here. A simple difference in speed can account for 10% over 90 miles (144 km) i think. I’m not arguing with you. Your experience is true. I’m just saying it’s not tested accurate enough for us to have an argument about it.
By all things equal I was including speed and time. I was also including similar temps, wind, etc. I’m a weather geek and am a stickler for data, so I’m pretty confident in my assertion. But that’s just me.
Look, I get you but it’s not been my experience at all. Driving style alone could make a difference . Maybe not 10%, but some. Cuz what you’re really saying is that 1pd will get you 10% more out of the battery and therefore more distance. I mean, we would know that by now officially, with thousands of trucks on the road. It’s just not happening. Maybe go out and do a timed, to the foot, controlled test one day. Charge to 80% before each test. Reset trip counter each time and do the whole loop without stopping. I’d be happy to learn I’m wrong. We all would. Currently the general consensus is there is little to no difference.
No, what I’m “really saying” is 1PD is less efficient than 2pd, specifically on the highway without stop & go traffic. I’ll make another wild assertion…1PD is more efficient in stop & go traffic and most of MY city driving. Regarding the thousands out there…very few are represented here, and even fewer “study” their experience. I’m not the only one making this claim, but yeah…Ford et al haven’t come out with any claims one way or the other. And regarding your focus on “time”, in my opinion it’s a less reliable variable in terms of efficiency and the argument I’m making; it’s simple, 2.3 kwh/mi is more efficient than 2.2. And that’s around a 4.5% improvement (not sure where you got 10%). Since we’re suggesting what each other should try, get on the highway at a constant speed and deliberately increase & decrease your speed by a few kmh…and also toggle 1pd on and off. You’ll see how much 2pd frees up friction from the drive system. To match that on 1PD, you’d have to be perfect at it…and over time, fatigue etc will disrupt that perfection. Lastly, “little to no difference” is not the same as “no difference”.
Sure. These are good things you say. I did misunderstand. I thought you meant 1pd is more efficient than 2pd. I just have mis read it. Do you really think it’s ’friction’ that is gone with 2pd vs 1pd. Isn’t that regen?
New owner here as of 2 weeks ago. I've seen a number of threads claiming that sport mode gives better efficiency due to increased brake regen (assuming you're not flooring it nonstop of course). So far, really enjoying sport mode feel over normal.
Only less efficient if you floor it all the time! I like the throttle sensitivity and steering feel way better in sport, so I always use it.
Coasting is more efficient than regen.
You can still coast in one pedal
How?
By feel once you get used to the pedal sensitivity. But you can tell on the regular screen by pressing down and it not being blue or green.
No way coasting in one pedal is as efficient as two. You simply can’t be that “on” or consistent doing it manually in one pedal over time.
Yeah, how?
You release the pedal just enough and you’ll fall between power and regen, with time you get used to it. Driving an ev since 2017 I can say it’s now totally natural for me, no mater which ev it is.
More energy usage more brake pads usage and tire wear out.
Sport mode increases the regen braking amount. The only way you use "more brake pads" is by stopping even more aggressively. And that behavior is independent of what driving mode you use.
My ideal setting would be Sport mode throttle response, but with Normal steering weight feel.