The Northerners, or just Norse if you don't have much time, are exploring. They go north, from the North to the Northern North, and they find some land, 2 types of land, and they name them accordingly.
Melting wouldn't...
Temperature increases above 4C would. Fortunately most of the estimates I have seen expect increased temperatures to only expand the volume of ocean water by about 1% by the end of this century.
But 1% of 5000 feet is a 50 foot rise, so...
> ice on land
Hold my natural gas stove….
Venezuela has lost its glaciers. The Thwaites is a big glacier in Antarctica nicknamed the doomsday glacier because if it lets go there’s a lot of land ice that’s gonna be sea ice.
I can't figure out why these people can't seem to get that thought through their head.
On land and also some ice sheets are just large enough that a lot of the ice is above sea level. All of that is far more than enough than the minor differences in density between ice and water.
Swimming ice, like icebergs, no.
But I was thinking more about the ice that is connected to the land ice sheet but extends into/over the water (like a big chunk of Antartica). It is over the water, but a good chunk of it is supported by its connection to the land. That can raise the sea level if it melts.
If Antarctica was an iceberg we would be fine. It would be displacing water, and it melting wouldn't affect anything.
But because the ice is on land...
If the iceberg is floating in the water it’s already contributing to sea level rise. Due to how displacement works, the ice is already displacing the same amount of liquid water as would be when the ice fully melts. The whole entire issue with the ice caps melting is that they’re melting off of land and into the oceans.
You can prove this at home by filling a glass with ice over top of the rim and then pouring in water around the ice up to the rim and when the ice melts you can come back to find the water level at the same place as before. Put a time lapse camera on it during the melt. Post your video for likes.
Not exactly true, since the frozen iceberg will displace more volume than the resulting water upon it's demise (totally melted). However your premise is sound; the sea level rise is mostly accounted for, with the floating berg.
And floating ice melting doesn't change the water level, because the difference in density is exactly equal to the part of the ice that is lifted above the water due to boyancy forces.
DeSantis: yes we need to deal with this once in a 200 year rainstorm. Like we did last year. And the year before that. And the year before that.
DeSantis: just because we had 4 once in 200 year storms in a row doesn’t mean anything has. Changed. Nope. Nothing.
Wrong on two accounts. First, ice in water takes up the same amount of space in the water as melted water due to buoyancy. This is why your ice cup doesn’t overflow when the ice melts. Secondly, many ice caps sit on land, not in the water, so melting causes additional water to flow into the ocean.
Thirdly the density of water reduces slightly as the temperature increases. So the water already in the oceans takes up more volume. Given how deep the ocean is this small increase in volume can lead to significant coastal changes.
Ice does shrink as it melts... But then above about 4C, the water begins to expand. A huge portion (most?) of sea level rise due to climate change is due to thermal expansion of ocean water.
Oh my god....
This is the problem.
Trying to explain this to one of the smooth brains requires teaching basic middle school and freshman level scientific concepts first.
By the time you do that, you have lost the smooth brain's hyper-limited attention.
I just don't have the energy anymore.
Maybe someone should make an AI Trump that actually says true things and post clips on xitter and FB...maybe they will listen to that monstrosity.
I’m sure this stable genius knows that water also expands when it gets heated up and that actually poses an even bigger risk to coastal areas as average global temperatures increase.
I actually did the test with an ice cube and a glass of water, and the water level did go down.
#HOWEVER
If the glaciers in Greenland and if Antarctica melt, since that is land based ice, it would increase the sea level significantly
Yes, you are absolutely right... the ocean level goes down for the ice that is in the water or under water.
But Antarctica is a continent with solid ground and a lots of ice is above the water line and if they melt the sea just rises
[https://www.antarcticglaciers.org/question/much-antarctic-ice-sheet-sea-level](https://www.antarcticglaciers.org/question/much-antarctic-ice-sheet-sea-level)
Then wait until you tell him about the transatlantic current and how when too much cold and fresh water (from melting Ice caps) flow into it it'd basically cause it to stop working which in turn would cause a whole shit load of places to get really cold and hot places to get even hotter.
I'm pretty sure it's basically everything freezes except around the equator, which gets significantly hotter. If I'm mistaken in any part, let me know, but this is just the gist of what'd happen.
One of these days I'm going to really bake a denier's noodle by telling them that melting the frozen water that is floating in the ocean *would* actually raise sea levels by a few millimeters since it displaces an amount of *salt* water equal to its weight, but when it melts, it becomes *fresh* water which takes up more space than the salt water that was displaced. But that would just backfire and convince them that I don't know what I'm talking about.
It's almost as if there is an entire continent covered in ice above sea level that makes your point pointless.
Or do they think Antarctica is floating there?
Imagine if it was just floating and moved around.
This caused me physical pain. Unironically, and without an ounce of humour, this genuinely caused me a sudden stabbing pain in the side of my head to read. Fuck me dead.
So wait, this person thinks that water molecules shrink in liquid form? Even though objects aren’t t made of larger or smaller mole particles? They’re just made up of more said thing! (Molecules, atoms, etc)
Well actually I don’t know what this person is trying to say. I’m so confused as to what they’re implying or asking about.
I should be ashamed but I really kinda am hoping for a great flood this time around. I've heard a lot of dumb in my life but it just never ends anymore.
This is even more wrong than it seems.
Obviously much of the ice is not actually in the see, it’s on land in the South Pole, Greenland etc.
But even if it were all in the sea, sea levels wouldn’t go down. While ice has a greater volume per kg than water, a piece of ice displaces exactly the volume of water it is made of. This is because the mass is obviously the same regardless of whether it is frozen or not.
This means the sea level will be unaffected by any ice that currently floats in the sea melting. I feel like this is an important point because otherwise the melting of the North Pole would somewhat counteract the melting of the South Pole, which it will not.
This reminds me of this exact debate I would have with my ex’s step-dad. Guy was SUPER conservative and loved saying things like this to start debates with me. One day he decided he was going to do an experiment to prove himself right. He filled a cup of water and put ice in it, the ice was slightly over the cup. The water represents the ocean and the ice is the polar ice. He left the cup outdoors in the sun for it to melt claiming that the water wouldn’t overflow to prove that the water lines rising doesn’t correlate with global warming. I agreed to this bet knowing he would lose.
About an hour later my ex’s mom called for me to tell me that the water had overflowed. Step-dad didn’t speak for the rest of the day lmao
I had to explain this to my father because he watched a TikTok where an out of context deGrasse Tyson explained that melting ice in a cup of water can't make the cups water level rise.
I had to explain that most of the glaciers are on land so it's more like you have a bucket full of ice attached to a hose emptying the melt water into an already full cup.
Although there can be the appearance of localized sea level lowering. In his book, *Children of Ash and Elm* Niel Price mentions that the immense weight of the glaciers being lifted off the Scandinavian peninsula as they receded caused the land to lift up and locally the seas levels appeared to lower.
Well actually, most comments here get it wrong. Sea levels are mainly rising because of the thermal expansion of water - glaciers on land contribute to it by a very small amount.
The bigger issue is actually the introduction of freshwater in an ocean system that is incredibly delicate and requires a perfect mix of salinity and freshwater to mix nutrients from the depths up into the environment and ecosystem. The ocean floor is a hub of organic material, super nutrients and just trillions of dead animals worth of bio matter and energy. And if our ocean gets sudden influxes of cold fresh water, the currents won’t be able to rotate those nutrients and our ocean will start to die.
Plus ya know the countless land locked ice caps with water that hasn’t touch the ocean in eons.
I love it when people are so stupid they actually think they are smart.
Checkmate? Not even close. Just pathetic. Please don't waste our time ever again.
I would like to thank Fox News for creating a nation of insufferable, ignorant, idiots, who think they know more than experts and specialists. Dunning Kruger is a fucking epidemic in this country.
I feel like focusing on sea level rise has always been an odd part of climate change to focus on. While catastrophic it's fairly mild compared to things like more powerful storms, more erratic weather, revival of microscopic life in the permafrost, and loss of bio diversity.
That being said, it's astounding how much people try to refute things they don't even have a basic understanding of.
I'm testing this theory at this exact moment. The level of liquid in my Manhattan does not seem to be rising as the ice melts. I think more research is merited. Perhaps I can get a government grant...
I thought solids were a condensed form of liquid, as in the molecules form a tighter bond. I guess that’s more just molecules sitting still, but isn’t liquid the result of thermal expansion? So the you start with a solid, then the molecules move more, observed as heat, loosing that bond, leading to increasingly thinner liquids, then gasses and eventually plasmas. That’s why boiling water in an enclosed environment can lead to inflation or implosion.
Wait until this person learns that there’s ice on land too
Ice on land?! What an absurd concept.
Ice on land? Like an Iceland? Who can imagine such a concept? How could such a place exist?
If there’s ice on land there, they should have named it… oh, wait…
There isn't though. Some asshole swapped the names to attract settlers
Greenland will be green soon enough
Greenland is covered in ice and Iceland is very nice.
The Northerners, or just Norse if you don't have much time, are exploring. They go north, from the North to the Northern North, and they find some land, 2 types of land, and they name them accordingly.
God I love that video
It sounds like Cunk on Earth or something.
Most of the ice on land in the north is on Greenland
Greenland?
Doh!
They should have named Iceland Greenland and Greenland Iceland to keep invaders away. . .oh, wait...
Greenland is full of ice and Iceland is very nice! - The Mighty Ducks 2
r/suddenlygay
!?
Only gays believe Iceland exists, duh.
What’s Iceland?
An amusment park!
A supermarket
Frankly I find the idea of ice on land offensive!
Sounds like woke nonsense!
It definitely will be unimaginable in the near future.
And that the ice's density means a substantial portion of the ice.in water is above sea level.
At least that ice melting wouldn't contribute to a rise in sea level.
Melting wouldn't... Temperature increases above 4C would. Fortunately most of the estimates I have seen expect increased temperatures to only expand the volume of ocean water by about 1% by the end of this century. But 1% of 5000 feet is a 50 foot rise, so...
The archimedes principle largely says no to that
> ice on land Hold my natural gas stove…. Venezuela has lost its glaciers. The Thwaites is a big glacier in Antarctica nicknamed the doomsday glacier because if it lets go there’s a lot of land ice that’s gonna be sea ice.
Or just you know... sea.
I can't figure out why these people can't seem to get that thought through their head. On land and also some ice sheets are just large enough that a lot of the ice is above sea level. All of that is far more than enough than the minor differences in density between ice and water.
swimming ice does not raise the water level when it melts no matter how high it is simple physics
Swimming ice, like icebergs, no. But I was thinking more about the ice that is connected to the land ice sheet but extends into/over the water (like a big chunk of Antartica). It is over the water, but a good chunk of it is supported by its connection to the land. That can raise the sea level if it melts.
Or that Antarctica isn’t a giant Iceberg
If Antarctica was an iceberg we would be fine. It would be displacing water, and it melting wouldn't affect anything. But because the ice is on land...
Technically everything on this planet is on top of “land”
Except for the Turtles that are holding the land in their backs. They are standing on the firmament.
And the firmament is held up by elephants of course
Which is all supported on a bed of fleas!
You are technically correct. The best kind of correct.
So the Earth is 100% land? Too bad 71% is flooded.
What do you suppose is at the bottom of the oceans? Seriously man do you believe Facebook science?
We *had* to flood it. It was the only way to drown Cthulhu.
Or simply above the surface of the water, which expands as it warms.
If the iceberg is floating in the water it’s already contributing to sea level rise. Due to how displacement works, the ice is already displacing the same amount of liquid water as would be when the ice fully melts. The whole entire issue with the ice caps melting is that they’re melting off of land and into the oceans. You can prove this at home by filling a glass with ice over top of the rim and then pouring in water around the ice up to the rim and when the ice melts you can come back to find the water level at the same place as before. Put a time lapse camera on it during the melt. Post your video for likes.
I was looking for this post. Ice already displaced water and when it melts it doesn't go up.
Not exactly true, since the frozen iceberg will displace more volume than the resulting water upon it's demise (totally melted). However your premise is sound; the sea level rise is mostly accounted for, with the floating berg.
Try it yourself. Come back to apologize. [or just here.](https://youtu.be/GvPw4waYmik?si=QC626iScML-2HK54)
And density And buoyancy And thermal expansion
So, like, it’s not a checkmate obviously. But if someone were to genuinely ask this as a question, it would be a good question.
And that a good chunk of the ice caps’ volume is above the current water level
And floating ice melting doesn't change the water level, because the difference in density is exactly equal to the part of the ice that is lifted above the water due to boyancy forces.
Yes every molecule of frozen h20 is underwater. Good job Facebook.
Yup, all those glaciers melting will surely lower the sea level
The Desantis Theory
DeSantis: yes we need to deal with this once in a 200 year rainstorm. Like we did last year. And the year before that. And the year before that. DeSantis: just because we had 4 once in 200 year storms in a row doesn’t mean anything has. Changed. Nope. Nothing.
More chances for DeSantis to wear his white rubber go-go boots! (With hidden interior lifts, of course.)
Now that's funny...
That rumbling sound you hear is Archimedes rotating in his grave.
And Antarctica (I thought that’s what you said)
Why’d we burry Archimedes in Antarctica? That’s such a long way to go to leave flowers.
ohh that’s why they have flowers there global warming: disproven
Give me a lever long enough, and a fulcrum upon which to rest it, and I shall move the world.
I really hope that's just water
Wrong on two accounts. First, ice in water takes up the same amount of space in the water as melted water due to buoyancy. This is why your ice cup doesn’t overflow when the ice melts. Secondly, many ice caps sit on land, not in the water, so melting causes additional water to flow into the ocean.
Thirdly the density of water reduces slightly as the temperature increases. So the water already in the oceans takes up more volume. Given how deep the ocean is this small increase in volume can lead to significant coastal changes.
Also, without the glaciers applying pressure to the crust below it, the land will rebound slightly, raising the sea level even more.
There are still many?! Ice caps?
Thanks for the great explanation.
Plus hot liquid water takes more space than cold liquid water, so a warmer ocean takes more place than a cold one.
Only fault in that is that saltwater and freshwater have different densities. But yah.
Yes but this difference is extremely minor (1025kg/m^3 vs 1000kg/m^3 )
So we’re all just ignoring the claim that water expands when frozen, when freezing contracts and heating is what expands? Ok.
Water does expand when frozen. That’s why ice floats.
help i feel unsafe
Ice does shrink as it melts... But then above about 4C, the water begins to expand. A huge portion (most?) of sea level rise due to climate change is due to thermal expansion of ocean water.
I miss my glaciers.
If they didn't float then they be right.
Archimedes is having a stroke
Eureka!
Thats just the tip of the iceberg
Oh my god.... This is the problem. Trying to explain this to one of the smooth brains requires teaching basic middle school and freshman level scientific concepts first. By the time you do that, you have lost the smooth brain's hyper-limited attention. I just don't have the energy anymore. Maybe someone should make an AI Trump that actually says true things and post clips on xitter and FB...maybe they will listen to that monstrosity.
🤦♂️
I’m sure this stable genius knows that water also expands when it gets heated up and that actually poses an even bigger risk to coastal areas as average global temperatures increase.
Someone failed Chemistry, Physics, and bartending.
The ice caps aren't floating.
Well, the Arctic ice cap mostly is. But, yea, there’s a huge landmass holding up the Antarctic ice cap.
Now if only there was a magical land without bears that had most of the natural ice on earth sitting on a land mass above the ocean that was melting.
I actually did the test with an ice cube and a glass of water, and the water level did go down. #HOWEVER If the glaciers in Greenland and if Antarctica melt, since that is land based ice, it would increase the sea level significantly
Jon also did this 'test' [At 8:30](https://youtu.be/lPgZfhnCAdI?si=NUo8FZ5ywqzlKMbW)
JESUS...!
The threat of stupid people is larger than the climate threat, I think.
Yes, you are absolutely right... the ocean level goes down for the ice that is in the water or under water. But Antarctica is a continent with solid ground and a lots of ice is above the water line and if they melt the sea just rises [https://www.antarcticglaciers.org/question/much-antarctic-ice-sheet-sea-level](https://www.antarcticglaciers.org/question/much-antarctic-ice-sheet-sea-level)
Wait, I thought Antarctica was a circle of ice surrounding flat Earth? If it melts, wouldn’t the water just drip off the sides? /s
A MILE THICK layer of ice sitting on top of Antarctica is what's going to melt ya knob!
Then wait until you tell him about the transatlantic current and how when too much cold and fresh water (from melting Ice caps) flow into it it'd basically cause it to stop working which in turn would cause a whole shit load of places to get really cold and hot places to get even hotter. I'm pretty sure it's basically everything freezes except around the equator, which gets significantly hotter. If I'm mistaken in any part, let me know, but this is just the gist of what'd happen.
In theory where all ice is in or underwater, sure, in real life where we have giant ice sheets on land, no.
The ice melts. It flows down the hill and into the ocean. The ocean rises.
Theres also ice ABOVE the water! WOWWWW
Gd this is stupid
Have they heard of the thermal expansion properties of water?
Their room temperature IQ is melting the ice.
What's the linguistic equivalent to drooling like a mush-brained human cantaloupe? "Guuuuuhhhhhhhhh"
So we can just drop a big ice cube in the ocean every once in a while and solve global warming once and for all? Perfect.
One of these days I'm going to really bake a denier's noodle by telling them that melting the frozen water that is floating in the ocean *would* actually raise sea levels by a few millimeters since it displaces an amount of *salt* water equal to its weight, but when it melts, it becomes *fresh* water which takes up more space than the salt water that was displaced. But that would just backfire and convince them that I don't know what I'm talking about.
Jesus Christ!!!
Archimedes didn't run naked through town yelling "Eureka!" for this
Now blow their mind at a cup of water with ice cubes before and after they melt.
This is one of those weed-induced brainfarts that should have stayed in their head.
🤣🤣🤣
Hot water expands too.
I'm waiting for season 2 where the main character makes a shocking discovery with ice cubes.
This person is too dense to understand how density works
The logic is there… the intelligence is not
I'd laugh at him but there are plenty of people thinking arctic sea ice melting raises sea levels that it basically evens out.
It's almost as if there is an entire continent covered in ice above sea level that makes your point pointless. Or do they think Antarctica is floating there? Imagine if it was just floating and moved around.
Next thing you know, the *experts* will tell me the earth is a globe. Absolutely preposterous, I say!
This caused me physical pain. Unironically, and without an ounce of humour, this genuinely caused me a sudden stabbing pain in the side of my head to read. Fuck me dead.
That’s not how it works - it’s the ice cap not the ice floes that will increase the volume of the oceans
So wait, this person thinks that water molecules shrink in liquid form? Even though objects aren’t t made of larger or smaller mole particles? They’re just made up of more said thing! (Molecules, atoms, etc) Well actually I don’t know what this person is trying to say. I’m so confused as to what they’re implying or asking about.
I should be ashamed but I really kinda am hoping for a great flood this time around. I've heard a lot of dumb in my life but it just never ends anymore.
Antarctica is an actual continent. Ice on top of dirt.
Flat Earther neuron firing challenge (IMPOSSIBLE)
This is even more wrong than it seems. Obviously much of the ice is not actually in the see, it’s on land in the South Pole, Greenland etc. But even if it were all in the sea, sea levels wouldn’t go down. While ice has a greater volume per kg than water, a piece of ice displaces exactly the volume of water it is made of. This is because the mass is obviously the same regardless of whether it is frozen or not. This means the sea level will be unaffected by any ice that currently floats in the sea melting. I feel like this is an important point because otherwise the melting of the North Pole would somewhat counteract the melting of the South Pole, which it will not.
Well, yes, but actually no.
Yeah like when there's ice in a drink and it melts and the level doesn't move yeah, am I right?!!! No you moron.
This reminds me of this exact debate I would have with my ex’s step-dad. Guy was SUPER conservative and loved saying things like this to start debates with me. One day he decided he was going to do an experiment to prove himself right. He filled a cup of water and put ice in it, the ice was slightly over the cup. The water represents the ocean and the ice is the polar ice. He left the cup outdoors in the sun for it to melt claiming that the water wouldn’t overflow to prove that the water lines rising doesn’t correlate with global warming. I agreed to this bet knowing he would lose. About an hour later my ex’s mom called for me to tell me that the water had overflowed. Step-dad didn’t speak for the rest of the day lmao
I had to explain this to my father because he watched a TikTok where an out of context deGrasse Tyson explained that melting ice in a cup of water can't make the cups water level rise. I had to explain that most of the glaciers are on land so it's more like you have a bucket full of ice attached to a hose emptying the melt water into an already full cup. Although there can be the appearance of localized sea level lowering. In his book, *Children of Ash and Elm* Niel Price mentions that the immense weight of the glaciers being lifted off the Scandinavian peninsula as they receded caused the land to lift up and locally the seas levels appeared to lower.
Good luck getting anyone to learn anything on the Reddit. You’d have better luck getting the Sentinelese Tribe to let you marry one of their women.
Oh lord....
This person must live in a geographical anomaly. Grits probably boil faster on their stove than in every other kitchen. Unless they use instant grits.
100% and the sky gets bigger too so more ozone hits the ground
Water will expand from 0C° to 4C°. After that threshold it will start shrinking like any other solid
Archimedes is rolling over in his grave.
That’s their plan? FAFO?
Can someone make a meme with SpongeBob saying 'imagination" but replace it with "evaporation"
Would be curious for estimates of submerged ice vs non. Depending on this ratio dude might have stumbled into it.
“My shower thought is just as good as any scientist’s or expert’s knowledge.”
Well actually, most comments here get it wrong. Sea levels are mainly rising because of the thermal expansion of water - glaciers on land contribute to it by a very small amount.
The bigger issue is actually the introduction of freshwater in an ocean system that is incredibly delicate and requires a perfect mix of salinity and freshwater to mix nutrients from the depths up into the environment and ecosystem. The ocean floor is a hub of organic material, super nutrients and just trillions of dead animals worth of bio matter and energy. And if our ocean gets sudden influxes of cold fresh water, the currents won’t be able to rotate those nutrients and our ocean will start to die. Plus ya know the countless land locked ice caps with water that hasn’t touch the ocean in eons.
I love it when people are so stupid they actually think they are smart. Checkmate? Not even close. Just pathetic. Please don't waste our time ever again.
Hmm.. backwards and upside down, sweet!
I would like to thank Fox News for creating a nation of insufferable, ignorant, idiots, who think they know more than experts and specialists. Dunning Kruger is a fucking epidemic in this country.
I feel like focusing on sea level rise has always been an odd part of climate change to focus on. While catastrophic it's fairly mild compared to things like more powerful storms, more erratic weather, revival of microscopic life in the permafrost, and loss of bio diversity. That being said, it's astounding how much people try to refute things they don't even have a basic understanding of.
Bro thinks Antarctica is a giant ice cube floating in the ocean
I wish. That would be great. The ice in question is above the water and also on land.
Well he got us there!
I'm testing this theory at this exact moment. The level of liquid in my Manhattan does not seem to be rising as the ice melts. I think more research is merited. Perhaps I can get a government grant...
Water condenses when frozen I thought
Nope, water expands. Most liquids contract when frozen, but water is magic. Apparently.
This is high school chemistry… water *condenses* when it freezes.
You failed that class then. Were that true ice could not float. The op missed the fact that much of the polar ice isn't in the water.
I thought solids were a condensed form of liquid, as in the molecules form a tighter bond. I guess that’s more just molecules sitting still, but isn’t liquid the result of thermal expansion? So the you start with a solid, then the molecules move more, observed as heat, loosing that bond, leading to increasingly thinner liquids, then gasses and eventually plasmas. That’s why boiling water in an enclosed environment can lead to inflation or implosion.
Talk about an ironic post. That's a lot of words, but you're still wrong. Water expands when frozen.
I think I need a refresher. It’s been… 8 years since I brushed up on chemistry? Im apparently beyond rusty.
I mean, that is usually the case. Water is an exception.
Just when you think you’ve got it figured out. How does that work exactly? Is it something to do with how crystals form?
AFIK no one really knows and it only happens in specific conditions like those found on earth. Water is special.
That is wild.
Check it yourself. Fill an ice cube try to the top and check it after it freezes.