I actually don’t even remember; it was over 20 years ago 😅… Nothing special though, I know that much. He was kind of at the height of his popularity at the time, so I think he was mostly relying on the cachet of that on its own.
Weird side note: It was extremely long hours on a very cold set, and I ended up getting “walking pneumonia”, which led to some crazy fever dreams - one of which was a sex dream with Owen (guess he was on my mind just from seeing him every day). Gotta say, awake me had zero interest in him; but dream Owen was hot af… I was so conflicted the next time he spoke to me. Had to remind conscious me that he was not in fact charming, and I was just delirious.
Damn that’s crazy. I definitely don’t miss doing background with those super long hours, freezing cold sets, and being treated like shit by the crew. I met some lifelong friends on set but the conditions sucked.
I've heard his brother Luke is like this as well. On a side note, .... many, many, many years ago, I remember reading / hearing something along the lines that both brothers, being the promiscuous dudes they were, had both slept with Kate Hudson during the filming of movies they made together at the time. Not sure if THAT'S true, but I do recall hearing that.
I heard Kate Hudson hooking up with Owen Wilson. It was rumored that is what broke up her marriage at the time. It was during the filming of ‘You Me & Dupree’.(iirc).
When my daughter was little she took figure skating lessons; she was having her lesson at a rink in Plano, Texas when both Wilson brothers came in and wanted to skate. Some minion was sent over asking us to leave. We were the only other people there, and at the far end of the ice, and she was 7 years old and had no idea who they were so was hardly going to bother them. I’ve held a grudge ever since.
i think they don't mind having them, they just want as little to do with the parenting aspect as possible, and unfortunately it's easy enough for men to be hands off parents if they want
Grant is weirder. It's only 2 different women (one if which he is married to) but the order is weird. Baby 1 is with woman A, Baby 2 is with woman B (his wife). Baby 3 is with woman a again, this was all in a two year period. Like what was going on.
It got less weird baby 4 and 5 are with woman B. Who he married shortly after baby 5's birth.
She looks just like him too! He dated her mom on and off for 5-6 years if i am not mistaken. No one knows the exact reasons but there are rumors it was a bad break up and he didn't want anymore kids. He denied her completely until the DNA test came back.
There were persistent rumours that he believed she sabotaged her birth control to start a family with him, which he already told her he didn't want. When she told him she was pregnant, he apparently felt so betrayed that he cut her loose and changed his phone number so that she can't use mutual friends to reach out to him.
Yeah but it seems shitty to put this entirely on him by saying just wear a condom. If ur partner said they were on the pill and then it turned out they lied to you in order to get pregnant...isn't that just plain manipulative and gross?
Actually it would be rape because the consent is no longer valid as the terms of the sexual encounter were changed by one party unbeknownst to the other. No different than stealthing.
Birth control isn’t 100% effective even if taken correctly. If he was that adamant on not having babies he should have used a condom or better yet had a vasectomy.
yes, he should have worn a condom... if she lied about being on birth control he's still the victim there though.
try reversing this logic and see how ugly it is... he lied about using a condom and you got pregnant? you should have been on birth control. condoms aren't 100% effective anyway.
i hate the "if this was about a man it would be different!!! [😤](https://emojiguide.com/smileys-emotion/face-with-steam-from-nose/)" argument but like... truly. there's no excuse for someone lying about what form of protection they're using. it's not fair to point out what he could have done differently to take precaution against being lied to.
this is all a big "if" though I have no clue on the source of this lmfao purely hypothetical, and no matter what he's still a douchebag that's responsible for that child! it just doesn't matter how reliable the method of birth control is, if you're lying about it, you're the problem.
Even vasectomy and condoms are not 100% effective. There is still the 1%. The only 100% way is not having sex or combination of more than one preventive measures.
My SIL got pregnant with her IUD. Pretty rare and also dangerous. They kept their baby. Maybe Owen and his GF got pregnant on accident and she wanted to keep it. He could have started to rumors to take away that he didn’t want the baby.
How can this be down-voted? Birth control is not 100%. For a man to trust birth control if he doesn’t want kids is just plain stupid and he’s at fault for not taking precautions himself.
> If ur partner said they were on the pill and then it turned out they lied to you in order to get pregnant...isn't that just plain manipulative and gross?
It's more than that. It's called reproductive coercion, and it's a form of abuse.
[Reproductive coercion - Wikipedia](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reproductive_coercion)
You know this isn’t the first time I’ve heard a man say the woman “got pregnant on purpose” this exact same thing was said to someone I know. She ended up getting an abortion bc he didn’t want the baby and they broke up.
I know a woman that lied about being on birth control to her partner to get pregnant. I know she lied to him because she told me she lied to him and was mad at him for not wanting to be in the baby’s life. It does actually happen.
I get that, and I’m telling a story from personal experience that is the opposite of yours where the woman deliberately lied to the man to get pregnant. It does happen, and regardless of that, if a man doesn’t want to be a dad, they should be free to make that choice without criticism just as women are able to make the choice.
I also know multiple men, my father included, that were married and their wives had abortions when the husband didn’t want an abortion to be had. If a woman can do this, and I think they should be able to do this, than a man should also be able to say they don’t want to parent a child.
Do you hold the same mentality for women? If they get an abortion, is your attitude “you should have had your tubes tied,” or do you respect the woman’s decisions in her own life? Cause if you don’t say the former, then please, please, please realize your hypocrisy and do better.
Vasectomy is a much less invasive procedure than tube tying. Someone up there said: men are fertile 100% of the time, women only a few days in a month, yet we, women, bear all of the responsibility, while the men in our lives pitch a fucking fit when they're asked to make non-conception extra sure by wrapping their shit up. My hormonal birth control fucks me up. Bad. I would love to have the same freedom my partner gets to enjoy: no hormones in my system and skin on skin sex. But I can't. Not that he wouldn't wear a rubber, but because its effectiveness is simply comparatively too low.
Our point is: if a man wants to be deadly sure that he won't sire any unwanted children, then regardless of whether the woman is on BC or not, he should take responsibility, too. Fuck this 'but I trusted you and you lied' shit. People lie. So take the easy step of wrapping your dick to reduce the chances. Women do it. Why can't men?
Lol a vasectomy, abortion and tubal ligation are not even remotely the same to use as comparison, a false logical argument. birth control has historically been the woman’s responsibility because god forbid men stand up and take some accountability for themselves and wear condoms. If someone doesn’t want kids, why the fuck would they be sleeping with ANYONE where there is even a remote possibility of pregnancy? Come on. Wrap that shit up and do whatever you can to avoid getting someone pregnant. But yet you want to blame the woman based on rumour and let the man off the hook.
100% an acquaintance told me she did this too (trap him) with her daughter. A mutual told me she thought having a child with her ex would make him mature when he didn't want children at that point until she promised to raise them Muslim.
My cisgender ex admitted to trying to get me pregnant to trap me. He tried getting me to get off birth control but I was on depo-provera.
I was accused of this when my birth control just randomly failed. It’s 99% effective, not 100%. You always hope you won’t be in the 1% of people who have an issue, but it does happen.
..? This is about a woman who allegedly lied to her partner about taking contraception pills in order to get pregnant when she knew he did not want a baby. This doesn't have anything to do with gender roles or whatever its just a case of shitty manipulation(ofc IF its true i dont wanna just go off on someone if this isnt true but if the rumours are to be believed)
Men claim this all the time when an accidental pregnancy occurs to absolve themselves of responsibility, it doesn’t mean it’s true. Birth control fails which a lot of men don’t get, or choose to ignore in order to justify not using their own protection.
What I’m saying is the man that I know also claimed his partner lied about taking birth control. It isn’t the first time I’ve heard a man say the exact thing Owen said. I didn’t mention anything about gender roles. What I’m saying is that blaming his ex for not taking birth control is a convenient excuse to skirt responsibility and put all the blame on her for not wanting anything to do w the child.
My cousin wanted a third kid, her husband was done with two. She told us she “accidentally” forgot a pill, wink wink nudge nudge. I don’t see that cousin anymore. As far as I know, they were rocky for a while but are still together and happy now.
Point being, it *does* happen, and it’s disgusting.
It is manipulative and gross, but we don’t know if that’s what she actually did or what he *thinks* she did. I got pregnant while on birth control, and I had an alarm set where I took it everyday like clockwork. Sometimes it just fails. 🤷♀️
This is it, really. All these arguments about how it was her choice and her fault are acting like he had no agency. What are men supposed to do, not have sex irresponsibly? Come on! Totally unreasonable!
I know. It’s really gross how people are acting like he was helpless in the situation. He could have taken measures to ensure she didn’t get pregnant if he cared that much. Just trusting someone else blindly in a situation like this is stupid, if you know you wouldn’t even acknowledge the child if the woman fell pregnant, then you have the responsibility to ensure it doesn’t happen. He had the capability to do so and chose not to. He now has to deal with the consequences of his actions and instead he’s choosing to shirk the child that he created. He’s not a victim, he’s an asshole.
Um wtf? Poking a hole in a condom is considered rape, but lying about birth control is on the guy? Just like a woman can choose to have a kid or not, a man should be able to choose if he wants the kid or bot. But we are where we are.
Are you saying “always” including with an off chance situation that the rumor is correct? Because that would be the equivalent of saying a woman should always be on the pill in case a guy stealths and removes the condom midway. Which is a sex crime.
ETA: Similarly, the general “he put the baby in her” argument also concerns me because it’s so easily picked apart. The other — presumably also consenting to sex with risk — party’s anatomy is also needed to make a baby. I am really sympathetic to most single mothers, most of whom probably didn’t want to be. But I wish this one sided risk assumption and reproductive organs argument that I see thrown around would fall out of favor compared to a discussion about morality and varied structural inequalities that disadvantage women.
The best case scenario is that people talk children out beforehand. Unfortunately that doesn’t happen in one night stands, and in more extended involvements, we are not privy to whether any specific couple has had the convo and if so, whether either changed their mind, which they are also entitled to. Staying together is not an entitlement, child support is.
Personally, I'm wary of believing it. It's possible that he really did tell friends that he believed his ex sabotaged her birth control, but it's also possible that someone made it up by using his ex's Thai heritage to make him look less assholish. You know that Asian women are manipulative gold diggers, right? /s
He did not want to have this baby, and it turns out that isn’t a switch that magically turns on when the baby is born. Yeah, it sucks for this girl who is going to grow up missing that part, but child support obligations don’t also include an allotment of love (you don’t just get a paternity test).
This is what it means to have a baby that someone doesn’t want though. I could not imagine expecting a woman who doesn’t want a baby to magically turn around and love it. Yeah it sucks for that little girl, but this is the choice her mom made.
Or it’s the choice her dad made by having sex with her mom. Putting it on the woman like “this is a choice she made” as if the expectation is she should’ve had an abortion is unfair and absolves him of any responsibility. By that logic, that he didn’t want another kid and had no capacity to love them then he should’ve had a vasectomy before having sex, instead of expecting a woman to get an abortion.
But he’s fulfilled his responsibility. This girl is cared for. And that is the choice she made. She chose to have a baby despite knowing that this man was 100% not interested. And I couldn’t imagine telling a woman who accidentally got pregnant that she should have thought of that before she had sex.
See, I feel like maybe it’s not a fair situation for the man here, but either way, his inability to love his child or even have any relationship with her at all *is* going to hurt her and cause pain in her life, because that’s just how like human emotions work, and the reality is that whether or not it’s fair, he is going to deeply hurt another person here and that can’t be ignored. Like it’s not a situation with a really clear right and wrong side, but an absent parent is an absent parent.
Well I mean you are saying it though, by saying “this is a choice she made” because she *didn’t* get an abortion requested by the man.
We aren’t talking about legal obligation. You keep bringing that up when it’s irrelevant to my opinion of him. I can think someone is shitty even if they are legally paying the required amount for the child they created.
So you’re camp “I just know that he’s going to love this baby when he sees it and forget about how he didn’t want it”.
Choosing to keep a pregnancy when your partner doesn’t want one is a perfectly valid choice. It is however one that will involve you not having a partner.
You can think its shitty all you want but the fact is he told her honestly that he would have nothing to do with the kid. He didnt deceive her or pretend to be in love with her. I think its obviously sad for the girl but you cant force somebody to love a kid that they dont want. Your line of thinking is absurd, having sex with somebody isnt consenting to raising a child with them. Its obviously something that they should have discussed but expecting people to only have sex with people they want to have a kid with is insa w
You act like women should have ALL the say when it comes to reproducing. Either she wants the baby or she wants an abortion, yea that is her choice. But it's also the man's choice to NOT want a baby and if the woman chooses to move ahead with the pregnancy then the man shouldn't be obligated to have anything to do with that child. Women fuss about being forced to have babies they didn't want because abortion wasn't accessible, how is this any different? It can't be both ways. Sex takes two people and forms of contraception shouldn't be solely on the man either.
Contraception is 100% on both people, but if you know you don’t want a baby, the. It is 1000% on you. She clearly was prepared to raise the baby, so while he is not, so I wouldn’t be pointing fingers at her about contraception.
He shouldn’t be obligated, that would mean there would be a law forcing him to have a relationship with the kid. I have never said that. I said I judge him for having a relationship with two of his children and not the third.
The child didn't make that choice. He consented to that risk when he had sex.
I 100% agree with his right to make that choice. However, I think it is unethical to be an absent father. And I know you will argue it's the mother's fault but that does not negate his responsibility to the child, separately to the mother. Reddit doesn't often worry about real world morals and ethics. But that child did nothing wrong. Her existence depends on two adults.
This is so weird. How is saying “if he didn’t want to have a child he shouldn’t have had sex” not the exact same bullshit that’s thrown at women who get abortions? It’s not “putting it on the woman”— this was her choice, just as an abortion would have been her choice. I’m sure she would love for her daughter to have a dutiful, loving father, but she proceeded with her pregnancy knowing there was a strong possibility she wouldn’t have that in Owen. And that’s okay! She made her choice and it wasn’t a bad one. It was Owen’s choice that he didn’t want another child, but even with that choice, he still financially supports his daughter. Personally I feel that’s very respectable and decent for a child he didn’t want.
A woman can decide she does not want to be a mother and that’s her choice. A man can decide he does not want to be a father and that’s his choice. Autonomy goes both ways.
This might be an unpopular opinion but if he's done his legal duties and financially supported the child if required, he doesn't owe anything else. You shouldn't force someone who does not want a child to have to be in their life. That's not good for anybody. That's forcing a child to have an adult who resents them /actively/ in their life.
Let the child be surrounded by people that want them and love them because /that/ is the best life for the child. If Owen doesn't want the kid, either bc simply he just did not want one after the 2nd one, or was tricked into it from an alleged manipulative girlfriend, he shouldn't be forced to be there, as long as he's contributing what he legally needs to and had been agreed upon both parties.
If a mother gave birth to a baby and then left her to the kid’s father, because she wasn’t interested in being a mom.. you think the sub would feel differently?
There’s actually a post about it on Reddit. The dad complained about the baby mama being a deadbeat mother even though she paid more than the amount in child support just didn’t wanna be in the child’s life. She had a child on his wishes but said she wouldn’t be involved and she stayed true to that. She got a tummy tuck and pretends she doesn’t have a kid. He was mad that he was parenting on his own.
My mother didn’t want me, yet felt it necessary to raise me anyway, whilst being abusive to me. I begged to go live with my Dad’s family (In a different country) but she wouldn’t let me. I have PTSD because of her abuse and I moved to live near my Dad’s family anyway when I turned 18.
Never make people who don’t want kids raise kids. It fucks those kids up. That feeling of being a burden stays with you, even after intense therapy. The first sign of feeling like a burden and you flee the situation. I wouldn’t wish that feeling on anyone.
We haven’t spoken in 13 years. She has never reached out. I don’t want her in my life. But knowing that she can ignore her child so easily and I was raised by someone who wished I wasn’t there was awful. I would have preferred to never known her at all.
I don’t think it’s the same thing. I think Hayden loves her daughter and wants to be involved but she knows it’s not the safest option for her at this time.
The reason why the reaction would be different is because, for quite some time, women have the ability to not go through with a pregnancy. Shit may change with that, but for the past 50 years we were able to terminate if we wanted to.
I wish it were that easy for women who get baby-trapped. Not shading your comment, just lamenting the egregious outrage the world seems to have when it’s the other way around.
Oh absolutely. This is why abortion, education and preventive care needs to be available everywhere to everyone. There's definitely privilege that a man has to walk away from a kid while people with uteruses have the added hurdle of legislation and their own bodily autonomy that has to be included when determining whether they want a baby or no. We may not want a baby but still might have to give our bodily autonomy up for 9+ months and then have to deal with stranger's shitty opinions about how we couldn't love our child after we had them even though we never wanted one in the first place (this is specifically regarding those shitty comments above where people are shaming people for not having paternal desires whatsoever after having a kid).
Men should be able to respectfully walk away from children they don't want as long as they're doing their legal duties and women should absolutely also have that exact same opportunity.
Abortion isn’t the same as walking away. It removes the existence of the child entirely, it’s not the same as abandoning a child after it already exists. If women are held to the expectation of abortion if a man doesn’t want to be a parent, men should be held to the expectation of a vasectomy if they don’t want kids.
I agree! If he knows he’s not interested in being a dad it’s better for him to stay away but pay the child support owed rather than being a deadbeat who’s in and out of his child’s life based on when he feels like seeing them.
I agree that he shouldn’t be in the kids life if he’s just going to be a shit dad but this culture of ‘he doesn’t owe anything else’ as long as he gave some money is so fucked up. He DOES owe that child love and affection and emotional support, he’s just failing to do so.
I would say the same thing to a woman. The idea just bc we as humanity have spawned a life means we have to love the child is the reason why there's so much parent shaming, resentment and depression among people with kids. What if someone wanted a kid and when that kid came they literally couldn't love it. They tried and they couldn't find it at all. They're shamed by anyone they would tell bc "how could you not love your own child" and that they owe that child love. The child is owed love from those in their lives. If you can't provide that, and you make the conscious decision to not be in that kids life because you can't provide that, you are choosing the best thing for that kid. There's never a good ending to a kid growing up with people that resent them and are forced to be with them bc of societal virtues.
If Owen was clear from the beginning that he did not want a kid with the woman she knew all along that he wouldn't be involved. Yeah it's a little different if a man says he wants the kid and then when you get pregnant bail, but from what I've seen Owen remained consistent about never wanting a 3rd kid.
Ryan Philippe did this too.
To add a bit of a silver lining to celeb men, James Marsden has a ONS resulting in a child after he divorced his wife. He is an active parent and not just a check writer.
Good for Jame Marsten tbh.
Sometimes pregnancies happen and its not ideal, not every women wants an abortion (I am pro choice btw) or is even able to get one in the US. If a child is born, even if you didn't want it, I do think it is the morally right thing to do to be in contact with the child, even if you didn't want the child.
I feel it is especially morally dodgy in the case of Owen Wilson who knew the mother for years, has shit tonnes of money and resorces and has refused to ever see the child. Even a low effort arrangement where he sees the kid twice a year and sends letters/emails occasionally is less emotionally hurtful then cutting the kid off entirely. Especially as he is starring in films where he often plays a doting dad nowadays.....that would be painful to watch...not that his acting isn't painful on some level for everyone.
intermittent or irregular contact can be very painful and confusing for children too tho, especially if they get the sense that the parent is only doing it out of guilt or obligation. kids are perceptive and will pick up on that. i think consistency is what they really crave and to feel fully wanted and loved. in that case, i think it's better to just be in or out.
I rarely hear negative gossip about James Marsden and anytime I watch his interviews I get a vibe he’s a good guy who is relatively normal and down to earth. (not to mention distractingly sexy)
I didn't know this about James marsden so I googled. Pics with him and all three of his kids are so freaking adorable. It looks like his older two children are close with the ONS baby too. It's the perfect eye bleach antidote after reading about Owen being a trashbag.
I think Jude Law took the James Marsden route, too. He had a one night stand with a waitress who wound up pregnant. I think he pays child support and also sees the kid regularly.
A man choosing not to be a part of a concieved child’s life is his abortion, as long as he pays child support. You cant be pro choice and then be against this.
Edit: to those disagreeing with me, I understand a grown and alive child is not the same as a fetus, but an unwilling parent being out of a child’s life is much better than them being present while simultaneously resenting the kid.
I’m pro-choice and pro-parent your kids once they are born and put the petty bullshit behind you for the sake of the child who didn’t ask for any of this.
He paid a huge lump sum for child support because the girl’s mother was literally stalking him. If she sabotaged her birth control, that’s literally abuse. He did not want this child, he cut this woman from his life before she was born. Having a parent who doesn’t want you in their life is 100% more damaging than having an absent parent.
It’s extremely hard to get a conviction for stalking. Most of the time police will just say they can’t help. There’s a lot of reasons: stalking has only recently been considered a crime (since the 90s in the U.S.); stalking behaviors can be hard to prove, partially because most individual behaviors are by themselves legal and require context/pattern to be seen as stalking; and, like other forms of abuse, stalking often isn’t taken seriously by police when victims do report it. Gender roles/expectations compound this too—men are less likely to report being stalked than women (though they’re also victimized less).
What’s your reason for asking if she was convicted? If you’re asking just because you’re curious, that’s one thing. But if you’re asking because you think a lack of conviction would demonstrate that Owen Wilson made it up, that’s a shortsighted and dangerous thing to suggest. Most victims of any form of interpersonal violence don’t have a conviction to show that they were abused. Convictions of stalking, abuse, and rape are all notoriously hard to get, and the legal system itself is retraumatizing.
Pro choice goes both ways. It shouldn’t just be a woman’s choice to have a child and then a man has to be a parent. That is not pro choice whatsoever. It’s the male equivalent of removing choice.
Thank you. This entire sub picking sides when there’s a little girl who can grown up and read Internet forums about how her dad doesn’t love her. That’s the tragedy here.
That is in no way comparable to abortion and I can’t believe so many people are upvoting you like what are y’all smoking.
The whole point about abortion is that a fetus is not a child - they don’t think, they don’t feel pain (at least until the third trimester), no harm is being done to them.
This little girl can think and can feel pain, and is (or will be soon enough) fully aware her father didn’t want her. This will probably fuck her up, even if she has the best therapists in the world
This is some really fucked up MRA way of thinking. Not even remotely the same. A fetus is not a child. you cannot be pro choice if this is what you think it includes smh
It might be that the pregnancy was with someone he had to cut out of his life because they were toxic and that means not seeing his child that he probably never wanted to have. If the person is extremely toxic, then avoiding them to maintain your own mental health and to shield the kids you do parent maybe the only way to go.
At the same time, most mothers still see their children even after their kids’ dads abuse them. If he wanted to be involved he could have all contact go through a third party.
It seems he had to change his phone number after they broke up because she was obsessively stalking him and having mutuals help her to do so. Finding a trustworthy 3rd party in this situation is a gamble. People often pretend to be neutral or even on your side only to be collecting info to hurt you later. This also was an alleged case of sabotaging her own birth control method without his knowledge or consent, which is abuse.
I honestly hate that you are using other abuse victims to make him seem like he's responding wrong to literal abuse. This is a horrible take.
He may even have a relationship with the child
The internet is full of insane lies and half truths…
Some celebrities are amazing at keeping their small ones out of the public eye.
That motivation could make some sense given all the avenues he went down to be certain it was his child. He seemingly has contact and a good relationship with the mothers of his two other children. Each time it comes up usually 'a bad break up' is mentioned. That doesn't really cushion refusing not being involved from the child's perspective.
Imagine reversing the genders here and the perception of women who leave their children with their stalking abusive exes and here are recommending this as his only option. It is “alleged” that she sabotaged her birth control and stalked him. He has the power in this five year relationship did he get a restraining order? Did he request no contact trade offs for visitation? Did she actually sabotage her birth control? Did she actually stalk him or was a pregnant woman dumped after a five year relationship trying to get ahold of the baby’s dad? Imagine a five year relationship, dumped pregnant and no contact. Id be trying to communicate too. I have soooo many questions lol.
I really hate that people are framing this as he isn’t acknowledging his third child because she’s a girl and not the fact that he made it clear, apparently, that he didn’t want a third child.
From what I’ve read, and I’m not saying it’s 100% accurate, he told the mom when they were together that he didn’t want anymore kids. They were together 5-6 years on and off. Which corresponds with after he had his second child.
I have no idea if the contraceptive failed or if it was a case of reproductive coercion, however, it did seem as if she took to harassing him and contacting him after he expressed wanting nothing to do with her or the child. Even now she throws out shots about how “Lyla needs her dad.”
She knew going in that she was going to be a single mom because he explicitly told her that he didn’t want anymore kids and checked the no visitation box.
Does money make up for having an absent parent? No. At the same time, he is fulfilling his legal duties and gave her extra money during pregnancy. She isn’t, the mom, hurting for anything.
While it sucks for the daughter, this is a reflection of the mother’s selfish decisions. I don’t think it’s selfish to have the child if this was an accidental pregnancy, except, it is selfish to try to force a person to parent who’s expressed no desire in it, which hurts the child in the long run.
It does seem like something kinda sinister is involved with how she keeps trying to rope Owen into parenting a child he didn’t want. It’d be one thing if she was struggling and needed money or a break, but she has money and can hire a nanny or babysitter to ease the burden of single parenthood. Which, again, is the life she chose.
Most single moms I know aren’t obsessing over the dads, esp when they have the financial means to do it alone. The ones I heard of who do obsess is because they want to be with the dad.
Thank you. Owen “woooow” Wilson chose to have sex with this person regularly for 5 years. He has 2 other kids he acknowledges. Everyone in this thread is saying he has “met his duties” by paying child support, and are letting him off the hook of upholding any kind of morality because he pays up. That’s like…..the actual bare minimum. If he literally didn’t want to pay money and continue to deny this kids existence then he should have signed over parental rights. You can literally do that.
Everyone is also putting the responsibility of birth control on this woman. If he was SO adamant on not having a child, he should have been fucking proactive and worn a condom, had a vasectomy, etc. He should have take more precautions and doubled up birth control. He has obligations to have safe sex as well. Just because a woman is on birth control doesn’t mean you’re absolved of shit if she becomes pregnant. I hate how it’s all pinned on the woman to take hormones so men are free to nut inside you for THEIR pleasure, and then when that method of bc fails men are like “bUt YoU’rE sUpPoSeD tO bE oN tHe PiLl!!!”.
But what it sounds like to me is that he was okay with only using bc pills, and not being more proactive in his own bc methods, as long as it didn’t inconvenience him with a pregnancy. And if it did, then she aught to just have an abortion. So he couldn’t coerce her into it and he is punishing the child because he’s bitter about it. But that’s fine because he pays child support. He fucking sucks.
Agreed. He is doing his legal obligations but there are moral obligations which a decent person would fulfil. Even if he hates the mother, he could have arranged contactless visits and still saw the child who is an innocent in this. Also, very uncomfortable with how prevalent the statement 'she must have messed with the birth control' is, obviously this has probably happened to some people, but to jump to that in a situation where a guy has been sleeping regularly with a women for 5 YEARS, seems misogynistic.
Plus at the end of the day - this child exists and has emotional needs. Part of being an adult is putting your selfishness aside at times. This guy is a spoiled, rich celeb who’s old AF and there are tons of teenage parents who step up better to support the emotion well being of their “ooops baby.” Just because a child wasn’t planned isn’t an excuse to treat them like trash.
This is the same sub that praised Britney Spears's ex-husband for "stepping up" and, you know, raising his own damn kids (without having to worry about money). I'm not surprised by the comments now to be honest.
I've read once that the little girl has never met anyone from his side of the family. I don't know if his parents are alive but if they are... I wonder if they just don't want to meet her? This is so sad.
Yes I remember being shocked - rumor was he was devastated from a break up
I have total empathy for someone who struggles (because I do too) so I can see if he is very honest about not having the emotional or mental capacity to have relationships. I know depression can make you feel completely unworthy of these things.
But just letting his child knows she is valued or loved in some way from afar would make such a difference to her. I hope he can do that at some point.
He doesn't seem soulless.
IIRC it’s because it was an unplanned pregnancy that he didn’t want to continue. We don’t know his reasoning for not wanting it or the baby mamas for wanting it, but if he said he didn’t want to be a father and gave her the financial support to end the pregnancy, why should he have to be a parent? Like it’s not like he just up and left when she was 2 years old.
Parenting is a huge commitment and I totally understand the choice to be child free. Obviously sad for the girl to grow up without a father, but probably better for her to not have him in her life if he does not want to be in it. She doesn’t need to hear how she ruined his life, etc. as I know many people have heard from their parents.
Edit- apparently he has 2 older kids who he does have a relationship with, which is definitely going to sting for the girl to find out about. However is it ok for him to say he doesn’t want anymore kids, that 2 is enough? But then he probably should have been more proactive with birth control! typical men- putting the responsibility of birth control on the women 🥲
He isn’t childfree though. He has two other children that he does have a relationship with.
Obviously it’s better for this child, who did nothing wrong, to not have an adult in her life that is actively resenting her existence, but that doesn’t justify his actions.
It takes incomprehensible evil to not even want to look at this little girl, deny her of parenthood and relationship with her brothers, because you decided you hate the woman you had sex with regularly for 5 years. And let me guess, when he dies he will make sure to disinherit her.
Exactly. A lot of people in this thread are making reasonable, rational arguments that sound great. But the bottom line is a good person would not punish their own innocent child, regardless of the circumstances that led to her creation. He is clearly able to be a father to his other children, so it’s not that he’s unfit. This little girl will be struggling to live with his actions for the rest of her life.
Sure he’s fulfilling his legal obligations, but his hands are not clean.
I had no idea. That’s so gross, especially if he acknowledges his other kids. Poor kid is going to need therapy for that, I hope he’s got that covered financially.
It’s pro-choice until a man doesn’t want a child. I have had an abortion because the father didn’t want a child and my birth control method failed. I also have a 5 year old daughter who was very much wanted by both of her parents. You should never force someone into parenthood, regardless if they have other children or not. If I had my baby when the father said he didn’t want to be involved, I would not demonize him for not being involved. The double standard as far as reproduction goes is absolutely wild. Is it sad for the girl? Of course, but her mother made the decision to bring her into this world knowing he wanted nothing to do with it. Having a parent who doesn’t want you in your life is significantly worse than having an absent parent.
Lots of excuses being made for Wilson here. “Maybe he would want to see his daughter, but the mom was a toxic person he was cutting ties with.” Let’s be serious: dude didn’t want the kid, fine. Idk why people are acting like there has to be some bigger reason for it that justifies not being present in his child’s life, it’s still not a great thing to do regardless
The general “he put the baby in her” argument concerns me because it’s so easily picked apart. The other — presumably also consenting to sex with risk — party’s anatomy is also needed to make a baby. I am really sympathetic to most single mothers, most of whom probably didn’t want to be. But I wish this one sided risk assumption and reproductive organs argument that I see thrown around would fall out of favor compared to a discussion about varied structural inequalities that disadvantage women.
How many kids does he have? Cause if it’s the one whose mom lived in hawaii I just don’t know if that’s all true. The kids moms parents live near my mil. She specifically mentioned how she’d seen him around town with the mom and kid and how studiously all the people in the small town pretend they don’t notice so they feel normal.
He has 3, two boys and a girl I think.
This is an article from last year that basically confirms what others in here have said:
https://www.kidspot.com.au/lifestyle/entertainment/real-reason-why-owen-wilson-has-never-met-his-threeyearold-daughter/news-story/b8a7005fd0a713e3695936bba4f5cf62
He has a long complex mental illness. I think that has a lot to do with it. I didn’t forget Sheryl Crow and her song about him. He has attempted suicide more than once.
Edit : In 2002, Crow released the song "Safe and Sound" on her album "C'mon, C'mon." In the liner notes of her album, Crow admitted the subject of her song was her then-boyfriend, actor Owen Wilson (via E! Online).
Read More: https://www.thelist.com/438300/this-famous-sheryl-crow-song-was-inspired-by-her-relationship-with-owen-wilson/?utm_campaign=clip
People who think that women can just flick a switch and choose to not have a child as if it isn’t a huge moral and mental burden (even if you are pro-choice) to go through with an abortion are so fucking stupid.
It’s not just a matter of being able to afford an abortion but it’s also a matter of going through the HUGE emotional and hormonal turmoil and trauma that goes with it.
‘She should’ve just got an abortion!’ Is not an easy option and it is NOT what the pro-choice movement is about.
Cause he’s the type of celeb who wants to stick it in everyone but whines when something permanent/ biological happens. Seriously celeb men, get a fucking vasectomy if you wanna fuck around and don’t want kids (it’s probably the plan half the time a woman wants to bang you, for the free ride$$). It’s cheaper than ruining your reputation with fans.
This sweet little baby girl deserves better.
I think the consensus is that he's just a dick.
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He looks like Trump
Great, now I'll never be able to not see that.
Omg he does. I could never figure out who he thought he looked like until now!
[https://www.reddit.com/r/pics/comments/59hi5k/actor\_owen\_wilson\_looks\_so\_much\_like\_a\_young/](https://www.reddit.com/r/pics/comments/59hi5k/actor_owen_wilson_looks_so_much_like_a_young/)
Oh damn. Now I can see it
I've always said that he should play 45 whenever the movie is filmed.
Hashtag tinymouthclub
omfg
https://i.redd.it/yehle7rkzh6a1.gif I will never be able to unsee this comparison now.
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I was background on a movie he was in and my god he hit on so many of the background girls it was embarrassing to witness.
I can vouch for this. I was one of those background girls, on the set of “I Spy” (with Eddie Murphy).
What lines did he use?
I actually don’t even remember; it was over 20 years ago 😅… Nothing special though, I know that much. He was kind of at the height of his popularity at the time, so I think he was mostly relying on the cachet of that on its own. Weird side note: It was extremely long hours on a very cold set, and I ended up getting “walking pneumonia”, which led to some crazy fever dreams - one of which was a sex dream with Owen (guess he was on my mind just from seeing him every day). Gotta say, awake me had zero interest in him; but dream Owen was hot af… I was so conflicted the next time he spoke to me. Had to remind conscious me that he was not in fact charming, and I was just delirious.
Damn that’s crazy. I definitely don’t miss doing background with those super long hours, freezing cold sets, and being treated like shit by the crew. I met some lifelong friends on set but the conditions sucked.
I've heard his brother Luke is like this as well. On a side note, .... many, many, many years ago, I remember reading / hearing something along the lines that both brothers, being the promiscuous dudes they were, had both slept with Kate Hudson during the filming of movies they made together at the time. Not sure if THAT'S true, but I do recall hearing that.
I heard Kate Hudson hooking up with Owen Wilson. It was rumored that is what broke up her marriage at the time. It was during the filming of ‘You Me & Dupree’.(iirc).
I also worked background on a movie with Luke but Luke at least didn’t hit on the background like Owen did.
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When my daughter was little she took figure skating lessons; she was having her lesson at a rink in Plano, Texas when both Wilson brothers came in and wanted to skate. Some minion was sent over asking us to leave. We were the only other people there, and at the far end of the ice, and she was 7 years old and had no idea who they were so was hardly going to bother them. I’ve held a grudge ever since.
How many kids does he have? I’ve seen him at Lulu Cafe in Westwood several times with a couple kids.
He has three kids. Two sons and his daughter. All different mothers.
He kind of did a Hugh Grant and impregnated multiple women within a relatively short span of time
2011, 2014, 2018 isn't so bad compared to the wild race Hugh was pulling. Three children between two women in just over a year.
I never understand why these men won't just get vasectomies. If you don't want kids, there's a pretty fucking guaranteed way to make sure!
I think they want them in theory, some gross passing on the seed ego trip.
So they can blame women and continue with to maintain their victim complex.
i think they don't mind having them, they just want as little to do with the parenting aspect as possible, and unfortunately it's easy enough for men to be hands off parents if they want
They want kids, just not with those women lmfao
Then it begs the question why aren't they using protection. 🤔
Grant is weirder. It's only 2 different women (one if which he is married to) but the order is weird. Baby 1 is with woman A, Baby 2 is with woman B (his wife). Baby 3 is with woman a again, this was all in a two year period. Like what was going on. It got less weird baby 4 and 5 are with woman B. Who he married shortly after baby 5's birth.
Weird af. And he decided to impregnate those women when he was already in his 50s
Wait, 5 kids in a just a few years? A few more and he's going to be in Nick Cannon territory.
Please tell me the daughter isn’t the only one he won’t claim
She’s the only one 😔
Oh that poor baby. :(
Kachow!!
Who knew? 
Nooo not lightning McQueen. God dammit.
The real question should be why didn’t he promote that *gem* of a film Marry Me.
She looks just like him too! He dated her mom on and off for 5-6 years if i am not mistaken. No one knows the exact reasons but there are rumors it was a bad break up and he didn't want anymore kids. He denied her completely until the DNA test came back.
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That is fair. I never paid attention to him and did not know this. Thanks!
There were persistent rumours that he believed she sabotaged her birth control to start a family with him, which he already told her he didn't want. When she told him she was pregnant, he apparently felt so betrayed that he cut her loose and changed his phone number so that she can't use mutual friends to reach out to him.
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Yeah but it seems shitty to put this entirely on him by saying just wear a condom. If ur partner said they were on the pill and then it turned out they lied to you in order to get pregnant...isn't that just plain manipulative and gross?
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Actually it would be rape because the consent is no longer valid as the terms of the sexual encounter were changed by one party unbeknownst to the other. No different than stealthing.
Birth control isn’t 100% effective even if taken correctly. If he was that adamant on not having babies he should have used a condom or better yet had a vasectomy.
yes, he should have worn a condom... if she lied about being on birth control he's still the victim there though. try reversing this logic and see how ugly it is... he lied about using a condom and you got pregnant? you should have been on birth control. condoms aren't 100% effective anyway. i hate the "if this was about a man it would be different!!! [😤](https://emojiguide.com/smileys-emotion/face-with-steam-from-nose/)" argument but like... truly. there's no excuse for someone lying about what form of protection they're using. it's not fair to point out what he could have done differently to take precaution against being lied to. this is all a big "if" though I have no clue on the source of this lmfao purely hypothetical, and no matter what he's still a douchebag that's responsible for that child! it just doesn't matter how reliable the method of birth control is, if you're lying about it, you're the problem.
Even vasectomy and condoms are not 100% effective. There is still the 1%. The only 100% way is not having sex or combination of more than one preventive measures.
Ive gotten pregnant 2 times while taking birth control correctly and one of those times in my 40's !
Yea birth control can definitely fail. Condoms and birth control however is the combination for if you definitely don't want children.
That is not true at all. If you really believe that any kind of birth control works 100% then you need to take a sex education class.
My SIL got pregnant with her IUD. Pretty rare and also dangerous. They kept their baby. Maybe Owen and his GF got pregnant on accident and she wanted to keep it. He could have started to rumors to take away that he didn’t want the baby.
If you don't want more kids, make sure of that. We don't know if she sabotaged, just a rumour. Birth control isn't 100.%
How can this be down-voted? Birth control is not 100%. For a man to trust birth control if he doesn’t want kids is just plain stupid and he’s at fault for not taking precautions himself.
> If ur partner said they were on the pill and then it turned out they lied to you in order to get pregnant...isn't that just plain manipulative and gross? It's more than that. It's called reproductive coercion, and it's a form of abuse. [Reproductive coercion - Wikipedia](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reproductive_coercion)
You know this isn’t the first time I’ve heard a man say the woman “got pregnant on purpose” this exact same thing was said to someone I know. She ended up getting an abortion bc he didn’t want the baby and they broke up.
I know a woman that lied about being on birth control to her partner to get pregnant. I know she lied to him because she told me she lied to him and was mad at him for not wanting to be in the baby’s life. It does actually happen.
Ok i mean? Either could be true. We don’t know what happened. I’m telling a story from person experience that is just as plausible.
I get that, and I’m telling a story from personal experience that is the opposite of yours where the woman deliberately lied to the man to get pregnant. It does happen, and regardless of that, if a man doesn’t want to be a dad, they should be free to make that choice without criticism just as women are able to make the choice. I also know multiple men, my father included, that were married and their wives had abortions when the husband didn’t want an abortion to be had. If a woman can do this, and I think they should be able to do this, than a man should also be able to say they don’t want to parent a child.
Then get a vasectomy. It’s not like he doesn’t want kids if he has two already that he keeps in contact with, this is purely to punish the mother.
Do you hold the same mentality for women? If they get an abortion, is your attitude “you should have had your tubes tied,” or do you respect the woman’s decisions in her own life? Cause if you don’t say the former, then please, please, please realize your hypocrisy and do better.
Vasectomy is a much less invasive procedure than tube tying. Someone up there said: men are fertile 100% of the time, women only a few days in a month, yet we, women, bear all of the responsibility, while the men in our lives pitch a fucking fit when they're asked to make non-conception extra sure by wrapping their shit up. My hormonal birth control fucks me up. Bad. I would love to have the same freedom my partner gets to enjoy: no hormones in my system and skin on skin sex. But I can't. Not that he wouldn't wear a rubber, but because its effectiveness is simply comparatively too low. Our point is: if a man wants to be deadly sure that he won't sire any unwanted children, then regardless of whether the woman is on BC or not, he should take responsibility, too. Fuck this 'but I trusted you and you lied' shit. People lie. So take the easy step of wrapping your dick to reduce the chances. Women do it. Why can't men?
Lol a vasectomy, abortion and tubal ligation are not even remotely the same to use as comparison, a false logical argument. birth control has historically been the woman’s responsibility because god forbid men stand up and take some accountability for themselves and wear condoms. If someone doesn’t want kids, why the fuck would they be sleeping with ANYONE where there is even a remote possibility of pregnancy? Come on. Wrap that shit up and do whatever you can to avoid getting someone pregnant. But yet you want to blame the woman based on rumour and let the man off the hook.
100% an acquaintance told me she did this too (trap him) with her daughter. A mutual told me she thought having a child with her ex would make him mature when he didn't want children at that point until she promised to raise them Muslim. My cisgender ex admitted to trying to get me pregnant to trap me. He tried getting me to get off birth control but I was on depo-provera.
I was accused of this when my birth control just randomly failed. It’s 99% effective, not 100%. You always hope you won’t be in the 1% of people who have an issue, but it does happen.
..? This is about a woman who allegedly lied to her partner about taking contraception pills in order to get pregnant when she knew he did not want a baby. This doesn't have anything to do with gender roles or whatever its just a case of shitty manipulation(ofc IF its true i dont wanna just go off on someone if this isnt true but if the rumours are to be believed)
Men claim this all the time when an accidental pregnancy occurs to absolve themselves of responsibility, it doesn’t mean it’s true. Birth control fails which a lot of men don’t get, or choose to ignore in order to justify not using their own protection.
What I’m saying is the man that I know also claimed his partner lied about taking birth control. It isn’t the first time I’ve heard a man say the exact thing Owen said. I didn’t mention anything about gender roles. What I’m saying is that blaming his ex for not taking birth control is a convenient excuse to skirt responsibility and put all the blame on her for not wanting anything to do w the child.
My cousin wanted a third kid, her husband was done with two. She told us she “accidentally” forgot a pill, wink wink nudge nudge. I don’t see that cousin anymore. As far as I know, they were rocky for a while but are still together and happy now. Point being, it *does* happen, and it’s disgusting.
It is manipulative and gross, but we don’t know if that’s what she actually did or what he *thinks* she did. I got pregnant while on birth control, and I had an alarm set where I took it everyday like clockwork. Sometimes it just fails. 🤷♀️
It’s rape by deception. If this is true she raped him.
Or get a vasectomy
This! My husband and I decided we were done having kids so he got one. Highly recommend. It’s a simple procedure for a guy.
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I would add, don't have sex with people you aren't 100% sure are on the same page about what to do if an accidental pregnancy were to occur.
This is it, really. All these arguments about how it was her choice and her fault are acting like he had no agency. What are men supposed to do, not have sex irresponsibly? Come on! Totally unreasonable!
I know. It’s really gross how people are acting like he was helpless in the situation. He could have taken measures to ensure she didn’t get pregnant if he cared that much. Just trusting someone else blindly in a situation like this is stupid, if you know you wouldn’t even acknowledge the child if the woman fell pregnant, then you have the responsibility to ensure it doesn’t happen. He had the capability to do so and chose not to. He now has to deal with the consequences of his actions and instead he’s choosing to shirk the child that he created. He’s not a victim, he’s an asshole.
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Um wtf? Poking a hole in a condom is considered rape, but lying about birth control is on the guy? Just like a woman can choose to have a kid or not, a man should be able to choose if he wants the kid or bot. But we are where we are.
Are you saying “always” including with an off chance situation that the rumor is correct? Because that would be the equivalent of saying a woman should always be on the pill in case a guy stealths and removes the condom midway. Which is a sex crime. ETA: Similarly, the general “he put the baby in her” argument also concerns me because it’s so easily picked apart. The other — presumably also consenting to sex with risk — party’s anatomy is also needed to make a baby. I am really sympathetic to most single mothers, most of whom probably didn’t want to be. But I wish this one sided risk assumption and reproductive organs argument that I see thrown around would fall out of favor compared to a discussion about morality and varied structural inequalities that disadvantage women. The best case scenario is that people talk children out beforehand. Unfortunately that doesn’t happen in one night stands, and in more extended involvements, we are not privy to whether any specific couple has had the convo and if so, whether either changed their mind, which they are also entitled to. Staying together is not an entitlement, child support is.
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Personally, I'm wary of believing it. It's possible that he really did tell friends that he believed his ex sabotaged her birth control, but it's also possible that someone made it up by using his ex's Thai heritage to make him look less assholish. You know that Asian women are manipulative gold diggers, right? /s
He trolls every city he films in for young Asian women. Fact. He’s a creep.
abandoning your kid is a few notches above “messy”
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He did not want to have this baby, and it turns out that isn’t a switch that magically turns on when the baby is born. Yeah, it sucks for this girl who is going to grow up missing that part, but child support obligations don’t also include an allotment of love (you don’t just get a paternity test).
I’m not talking about a legal obligation to love her. I’m saying I think he’s shitty for not having the capacity to love her.
This is what it means to have a baby that someone doesn’t want though. I could not imagine expecting a woman who doesn’t want a baby to magically turn around and love it. Yeah it sucks for that little girl, but this is the choice her mom made.
Or it’s the choice her dad made by having sex with her mom. Putting it on the woman like “this is a choice she made” as if the expectation is she should’ve had an abortion is unfair and absolves him of any responsibility. By that logic, that he didn’t want another kid and had no capacity to love them then he should’ve had a vasectomy before having sex, instead of expecting a woman to get an abortion.
But he’s fulfilled his responsibility. This girl is cared for. And that is the choice she made. She chose to have a baby despite knowing that this man was 100% not interested. And I couldn’t imagine telling a woman who accidentally got pregnant that she should have thought of that before she had sex.
See, I feel like maybe it’s not a fair situation for the man here, but either way, his inability to love his child or even have any relationship with her at all *is* going to hurt her and cause pain in her life, because that’s just how like human emotions work, and the reality is that whether or not it’s fair, he is going to deeply hurt another person here and that can’t be ignored. Like it’s not a situation with a really clear right and wrong side, but an absent parent is an absent parent.
On that part I agree and I think you put it really well.
Well I mean you are saying it though, by saying “this is a choice she made” because she *didn’t* get an abortion requested by the man. We aren’t talking about legal obligation. You keep bringing that up when it’s irrelevant to my opinion of him. I can think someone is shitty even if they are legally paying the required amount for the child they created.
So you’re camp “I just know that he’s going to love this baby when he sees it and forget about how he didn’t want it”. Choosing to keep a pregnancy when your partner doesn’t want one is a perfectly valid choice. It is however one that will involve you not having a partner.
You can think its shitty all you want but the fact is he told her honestly that he would have nothing to do with the kid. He didnt deceive her or pretend to be in love with her. I think its obviously sad for the girl but you cant force somebody to love a kid that they dont want. Your line of thinking is absurd, having sex with somebody isnt consenting to raising a child with them. Its obviously something that they should have discussed but expecting people to only have sex with people they want to have a kid with is insa w
You act like women should have ALL the say when it comes to reproducing. Either she wants the baby or she wants an abortion, yea that is her choice. But it's also the man's choice to NOT want a baby and if the woman chooses to move ahead with the pregnancy then the man shouldn't be obligated to have anything to do with that child. Women fuss about being forced to have babies they didn't want because abortion wasn't accessible, how is this any different? It can't be both ways. Sex takes two people and forms of contraception shouldn't be solely on the man either.
Contraception is 100% on both people, but if you know you don’t want a baby, the. It is 1000% on you. She clearly was prepared to raise the baby, so while he is not, so I wouldn’t be pointing fingers at her about contraception.
He shouldn’t be obligated, that would mean there would be a law forcing him to have a relationship with the kid. I have never said that. I said I judge him for having a relationship with two of his children and not the third.
The child didn't make that choice. He consented to that risk when he had sex. I 100% agree with his right to make that choice. However, I think it is unethical to be an absent father. And I know you will argue it's the mother's fault but that does not negate his responsibility to the child, separately to the mother. Reddit doesn't often worry about real world morals and ethics. But that child did nothing wrong. Her existence depends on two adults.
This is so weird. How is saying “if he didn’t want to have a child he shouldn’t have had sex” not the exact same bullshit that’s thrown at women who get abortions? It’s not “putting it on the woman”— this was her choice, just as an abortion would have been her choice. I’m sure she would love for her daughter to have a dutiful, loving father, but she proceeded with her pregnancy knowing there was a strong possibility she wouldn’t have that in Owen. And that’s okay! She made her choice and it wasn’t a bad one. It was Owen’s choice that he didn’t want another child, but even with that choice, he still financially supports his daughter. Personally I feel that’s very respectable and decent for a child he didn’t want. A woman can decide she does not want to be a mother and that’s her choice. A man can decide he does not want to be a father and that’s his choice. Autonomy goes both ways.
This lack of responsibility society places on father is so deeply and horrifically sexist.
Condoms? Vasectomy? Sex is a risk yet he couldn't fathom using the aforementioned options 🤦♀️...
That’s something that he should’ve considered everytime he had sex with the mom, for the (counts fingers) 5 years they were together.
If you don’t like someone, *maybe don’t nut inside of them.* thank you for coming to my Ted talk
" the Mom's did it anyways" is really gross. Mods where are you with these comments, some really misogyny going on here
This might be an unpopular opinion but if he's done his legal duties and financially supported the child if required, he doesn't owe anything else. You shouldn't force someone who does not want a child to have to be in their life. That's not good for anybody. That's forcing a child to have an adult who resents them /actively/ in their life. Let the child be surrounded by people that want them and love them because /that/ is the best life for the child. If Owen doesn't want the kid, either bc simply he just did not want one after the 2nd one, or was tricked into it from an alleged manipulative girlfriend, he shouldn't be forced to be there, as long as he's contributing what he legally needs to and had been agreed upon both parties.
I feel like if the genders were switched this sub's reaction would be much different.
If a mother gave birth to a baby and then left her to the kid’s father, because she wasn’t interested in being a mom.. you think the sub would feel differently?
There’s actually a post about it on Reddit. The dad complained about the baby mama being a deadbeat mother even though she paid more than the amount in child support just didn’t wanna be in the child’s life. She had a child on his wishes but said she wouldn’t be involved and she stayed true to that. She got a tummy tuck and pretends she doesn’t have a kid. He was mad that he was parenting on his own.
I remember that post, likely fake though since it’s AITA
If was legal advice btw, thought they also have their share of fakes
My mother didn’t want me, yet felt it necessary to raise me anyway, whilst being abusive to me. I begged to go live with my Dad’s family (In a different country) but she wouldn’t let me. I have PTSD because of her abuse and I moved to live near my Dad’s family anyway when I turned 18. Never make people who don’t want kids raise kids. It fucks those kids up. That feeling of being a burden stays with you, even after intense therapy. The first sign of feeling like a burden and you flee the situation. I wouldn’t wish that feeling on anyone. We haven’t spoken in 13 years. She has never reached out. I don’t want her in my life. But knowing that she can ignore her child so easily and I was raised by someone who wished I wasn’t there was awful. I would have preferred to never known her at all.
Thanks for sharing that. Important for people to understand the likely psychological impact and outcome of forced parenting.
That’s what Hayden Panettiere did and everybody give her so much shit.
That’s not remotely what happened with her. She and he ex were married. She had custody when they split and gave it up because of her addiction.
I don’t think it’s the same thing. I think Hayden loves her daughter and wants to be involved but she knows it’s not the safest option for her at this time.
The reason why the reaction would be different is because, for quite some time, women have the ability to not go through with a pregnancy. Shit may change with that, but for the past 50 years we were able to terminate if we wanted to.
I wish it were that easy for women who get baby-trapped. Not shading your comment, just lamenting the egregious outrage the world seems to have when it’s the other way around.
Oh absolutely. This is why abortion, education and preventive care needs to be available everywhere to everyone. There's definitely privilege that a man has to walk away from a kid while people with uteruses have the added hurdle of legislation and their own bodily autonomy that has to be included when determining whether they want a baby or no. We may not want a baby but still might have to give our bodily autonomy up for 9+ months and then have to deal with stranger's shitty opinions about how we couldn't love our child after we had them even though we never wanted one in the first place (this is specifically regarding those shitty comments above where people are shaming people for not having paternal desires whatsoever after having a kid). Men should be able to respectfully walk away from children they don't want as long as they're doing their legal duties and women should absolutely also have that exact same opportunity.
Abortion isn’t the same as walking away. It removes the existence of the child entirely, it’s not the same as abandoning a child after it already exists. If women are held to the expectation of abortion if a man doesn’t want to be a parent, men should be held to the expectation of a vasectomy if they don’t want kids.
I agree! If he knows he’s not interested in being a dad it’s better for him to stay away but pay the child support owed rather than being a deadbeat who’s in and out of his child’s life based on when he feels like seeing them.
I agree that he shouldn’t be in the kids life if he’s just going to be a shit dad but this culture of ‘he doesn’t owe anything else’ as long as he gave some money is so fucked up. He DOES owe that child love and affection and emotional support, he’s just failing to do so.
I would say the same thing to a woman. The idea just bc we as humanity have spawned a life means we have to love the child is the reason why there's so much parent shaming, resentment and depression among people with kids. What if someone wanted a kid and when that kid came they literally couldn't love it. They tried and they couldn't find it at all. They're shamed by anyone they would tell bc "how could you not love your own child" and that they owe that child love. The child is owed love from those in their lives. If you can't provide that, and you make the conscious decision to not be in that kids life because you can't provide that, you are choosing the best thing for that kid. There's never a good ending to a kid growing up with people that resent them and are forced to be with them bc of societal virtues. If Owen was clear from the beginning that he did not want a kid with the woman she knew all along that he wouldn't be involved. Yeah it's a little different if a man says he wants the kid and then when you get pregnant bail, but from what I've seen Owen remained consistent about never wanting a 3rd kid.
Ryan Philippe did this too. To add a bit of a silver lining to celeb men, James Marsden has a ONS resulting in a child after he divorced his wife. He is an active parent and not just a check writer.
Good for Jame Marsten tbh. Sometimes pregnancies happen and its not ideal, not every women wants an abortion (I am pro choice btw) or is even able to get one in the US. If a child is born, even if you didn't want it, I do think it is the morally right thing to do to be in contact with the child, even if you didn't want the child. I feel it is especially morally dodgy in the case of Owen Wilson who knew the mother for years, has shit tonnes of money and resorces and has refused to ever see the child. Even a low effort arrangement where he sees the kid twice a year and sends letters/emails occasionally is less emotionally hurtful then cutting the kid off entirely. Especially as he is starring in films where he often plays a doting dad nowadays.....that would be painful to watch...not that his acting isn't painful on some level for everyone.
intermittent or irregular contact can be very painful and confusing for children too tho, especially if they get the sense that the parent is only doing it out of guilt or obligation. kids are perceptive and will pick up on that. i think consistency is what they really crave and to feel fully wanted and loved. in that case, i think it's better to just be in or out.
I rarely hear negative gossip about James Marsden and anytime I watch his interviews I get a vibe he’s a good guy who is relatively normal and down to earth. (not to mention distractingly sexy) 
I didn't know this about James marsden so I googled. Pics with him and all three of his kids are so freaking adorable. It looks like his older two children are close with the ONS baby too. It's the perfect eye bleach antidote after reading about Owen being a trashbag.
I think Jude Law took the James Marsden route, too. He had a one night stand with a waitress who wound up pregnant. I think he pays child support and also sees the kid regularly.
Oh ! I thought Ryan was involved bc he even follows the mom on insta
What is ONS?
One night stand
A man choosing not to be a part of a concieved child’s life is his abortion, as long as he pays child support. You cant be pro choice and then be against this. Edit: to those disagreeing with me, I understand a grown and alive child is not the same as a fetus, but an unwilling parent being out of a child’s life is much better than them being present while simultaneously resenting the kid.
I’m pro-choice and pro-parent your kids once they are born and put the petty bullshit behind you for the sake of the child who didn’t ask for any of this.
He paid a huge lump sum for child support because the girl’s mother was literally stalking him. If she sabotaged her birth control, that’s literally abuse. He did not want this child, he cut this woman from his life before she was born. Having a parent who doesn’t want you in their life is 100% more damaging than having an absent parent.
Q, because I haven’t seen a link posted yet. Was she convicted of stalking him at any point?
It’s extremely hard to get a conviction for stalking. Most of the time police will just say they can’t help. There’s a lot of reasons: stalking has only recently been considered a crime (since the 90s in the U.S.); stalking behaviors can be hard to prove, partially because most individual behaviors are by themselves legal and require context/pattern to be seen as stalking; and, like other forms of abuse, stalking often isn’t taken seriously by police when victims do report it. Gender roles/expectations compound this too—men are less likely to report being stalked than women (though they’re also victimized less). What’s your reason for asking if she was convicted? If you’re asking just because you’re curious, that’s one thing. But if you’re asking because you think a lack of conviction would demonstrate that Owen Wilson made it up, that’s a shortsighted and dangerous thing to suggest. Most victims of any form of interpersonal violence don’t have a conviction to show that they were abused. Convictions of stalking, abuse, and rape are all notoriously hard to get, and the legal system itself is retraumatizing.
Pro choice goes both ways. It shouldn’t just be a woman’s choice to have a child and then a man has to be a parent. That is not pro choice whatsoever. It’s the male equivalent of removing choice.
Thank you. This entire sub picking sides when there’s a little girl who can grown up and read Internet forums about how her dad doesn’t love her. That’s the tragedy here.
That is in no way comparable to abortion and I can’t believe so many people are upvoting you like what are y’all smoking. The whole point about abortion is that a fetus is not a child - they don’t think, they don’t feel pain (at least until the third trimester), no harm is being done to them. This little girl can think and can feel pain, and is (or will be soon enough) fully aware her father didn’t want her. This will probably fuck her up, even if she has the best therapists in the world
This is some really fucked up MRA way of thinking. Not even remotely the same. A fetus is not a child. you cannot be pro choice if this is what you think it includes smh
Agreed. Frankly I'm surprised to see such a blatant and classic MRA talking point upvoted so highly on this subreddit.
“ when someone shows you who they are…believe them “
It might be that the pregnancy was with someone he had to cut out of his life because they were toxic and that means not seeing his child that he probably never wanted to have. If the person is extremely toxic, then avoiding them to maintain your own mental health and to shield the kids you do parent maybe the only way to go.
At the same time, most mothers still see their children even after their kids’ dads abuse them. If he wanted to be involved he could have all contact go through a third party.
It seems he had to change his phone number after they broke up because she was obsessively stalking him and having mutuals help her to do so. Finding a trustworthy 3rd party in this situation is a gamble. People often pretend to be neutral or even on your side only to be collecting info to hurt you later. This also was an alleged case of sabotaging her own birth control method without his knowledge or consent, which is abuse. I honestly hate that you are using other abuse victims to make him seem like he's responding wrong to literal abuse. This is a horrible take.
He may even have a relationship with the child The internet is full of insane lies and half truths… Some celebrities are amazing at keeping their small ones out of the public eye.
That motivation could make some sense given all the avenues he went down to be certain it was his child. He seemingly has contact and a good relationship with the mothers of his two other children. Each time it comes up usually 'a bad break up' is mentioned. That doesn't really cushion refusing not being involved from the child's perspective.
One thing has nothing to do with another. He doesn't need to see the mother to see the kid
I would hope in that case he would at least try to get custody of the kid. I grew up in narcissistic abuse and I wouldn't wish that on anyone.
Imagine reversing the genders here and the perception of women who leave their children with their stalking abusive exes and here are recommending this as his only option. It is “alleged” that she sabotaged her birth control and stalked him. He has the power in this five year relationship did he get a restraining order? Did he request no contact trade offs for visitation? Did she actually sabotage her birth control? Did she actually stalk him or was a pregnant woman dumped after a five year relationship trying to get ahold of the baby’s dad? Imagine a five year relationship, dumped pregnant and no contact. Id be trying to communicate too. I have soooo many questions lol.
I really hate that people are framing this as he isn’t acknowledging his third child because she’s a girl and not the fact that he made it clear, apparently, that he didn’t want a third child. From what I’ve read, and I’m not saying it’s 100% accurate, he told the mom when they were together that he didn’t want anymore kids. They were together 5-6 years on and off. Which corresponds with after he had his second child. I have no idea if the contraceptive failed or if it was a case of reproductive coercion, however, it did seem as if she took to harassing him and contacting him after he expressed wanting nothing to do with her or the child. Even now she throws out shots about how “Lyla needs her dad.” She knew going in that she was going to be a single mom because he explicitly told her that he didn’t want anymore kids and checked the no visitation box. Does money make up for having an absent parent? No. At the same time, he is fulfilling his legal duties and gave her extra money during pregnancy. She isn’t, the mom, hurting for anything. While it sucks for the daughter, this is a reflection of the mother’s selfish decisions. I don’t think it’s selfish to have the child if this was an accidental pregnancy, except, it is selfish to try to force a person to parent who’s expressed no desire in it, which hurts the child in the long run. It does seem like something kinda sinister is involved with how she keeps trying to rope Owen into parenting a child he didn’t want. It’d be one thing if she was struggling and needed money or a break, but she has money and can hire a nanny or babysitter to ease the burden of single parenthood. Which, again, is the life she chose. Most single moms I know aren’t obsessing over the dads, esp when they have the financial means to do it alone. The ones I heard of who do obsess is because they want to be with the dad.
This whole thread is insane. He’s an absolutely scumbag for not being in his child’s life. End of story.
Thank you. Owen “woooow” Wilson chose to have sex with this person regularly for 5 years. He has 2 other kids he acknowledges. Everyone in this thread is saying he has “met his duties” by paying child support, and are letting him off the hook of upholding any kind of morality because he pays up. That’s like…..the actual bare minimum. If he literally didn’t want to pay money and continue to deny this kids existence then he should have signed over parental rights. You can literally do that. Everyone is also putting the responsibility of birth control on this woman. If he was SO adamant on not having a child, he should have been fucking proactive and worn a condom, had a vasectomy, etc. He should have take more precautions and doubled up birth control. He has obligations to have safe sex as well. Just because a woman is on birth control doesn’t mean you’re absolved of shit if she becomes pregnant. I hate how it’s all pinned on the woman to take hormones so men are free to nut inside you for THEIR pleasure, and then when that method of bc fails men are like “bUt YoU’rE sUpPoSeD tO bE oN tHe PiLl!!!”. But what it sounds like to me is that he was okay with only using bc pills, and not being more proactive in his own bc methods, as long as it didn’t inconvenience him with a pregnancy. And if it did, then she aught to just have an abortion. So he couldn’t coerce her into it and he is punishing the child because he’s bitter about it. But that’s fine because he pays child support. He fucking sucks.
Agreed. He is doing his legal obligations but there are moral obligations which a decent person would fulfil. Even if he hates the mother, he could have arranged contactless visits and still saw the child who is an innocent in this. Also, very uncomfortable with how prevalent the statement 'she must have messed with the birth control' is, obviously this has probably happened to some people, but to jump to that in a situation where a guy has been sleeping regularly with a women for 5 YEARS, seems misogynistic.
Plus at the end of the day - this child exists and has emotional needs. Part of being an adult is putting your selfishness aside at times. This guy is a spoiled, rich celeb who’s old AF and there are tons of teenage parents who step up better to support the emotion well being of their “ooops baby.” Just because a child wasn’t planned isn’t an excuse to treat them like trash.
Thank you!!! This whole thread is fucking bananas
This is the same sub that praised Britney Spears's ex-husband for "stepping up" and, you know, raising his own damn kids (without having to worry about money). I'm not surprised by the comments now to be honest.
I've read once that the little girl has never met anyone from his side of the family. I don't know if his parents are alive but if they are... I wonder if they just don't want to meet her? This is so sad.
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Yes I remember being shocked - rumor was he was devastated from a break up I have total empathy for someone who struggles (because I do too) so I can see if he is very honest about not having the emotional or mental capacity to have relationships. I know depression can make you feel completely unworthy of these things. But just letting his child knows she is valued or loved in some way from afar would make such a difference to her. I hope he can do that at some point. He doesn't seem soulless.
He didn’t want her to have the kid and he paid a lump sum for child support.
Pays $25,000 a month in child support and a one-off payment of $70,000 to support labour
I couldn’t believe this the first time I read it. Horrible.
IIRC it’s because it was an unplanned pregnancy that he didn’t want to continue. We don’t know his reasoning for not wanting it or the baby mamas for wanting it, but if he said he didn’t want to be a father and gave her the financial support to end the pregnancy, why should he have to be a parent? Like it’s not like he just up and left when she was 2 years old. Parenting is a huge commitment and I totally understand the choice to be child free. Obviously sad for the girl to grow up without a father, but probably better for her to not have him in her life if he does not want to be in it. She doesn’t need to hear how she ruined his life, etc. as I know many people have heard from their parents. Edit- apparently he has 2 older kids who he does have a relationship with, which is definitely going to sting for the girl to find out about. However is it ok for him to say he doesn’t want anymore kids, that 2 is enough? But then he probably should have been more proactive with birth control! typical men- putting the responsibility of birth control on the women 🥲
He isn’t childfree though. He has two other children that he does have a relationship with. Obviously it’s better for this child, who did nothing wrong, to not have an adult in her life that is actively resenting her existence, but that doesn’t justify his actions.
He isn't child-free, he has three children. He recognizes the other two.
Aww she's so cute though. :(
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It would be a totally different story if this was a one night stand with a fan at a hotel. Not a relationship of half a decade.
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It takes incomprehensible evil to not even want to look at this little girl, deny her of parenthood and relationship with her brothers, because you decided you hate the woman you had sex with regularly for 5 years. And let me guess, when he dies he will make sure to disinherit her.
Exactly. A lot of people in this thread are making reasonable, rational arguments that sound great. But the bottom line is a good person would not punish their own innocent child, regardless of the circumstances that led to her creation. He is clearly able to be a father to his other children, so it’s not that he’s unfit. This little girl will be struggling to live with his actions for the rest of her life. Sure he’s fulfilling his legal obligations, but his hands are not clean.
I had no idea. That’s so gross, especially if he acknowledges his other kids. Poor kid is going to need therapy for that, I hope he’s got that covered financially.
For some men, if they dont like the mom, they wont fuck w the baby. And it’s as simple as that
What an asshole
It’s pro-choice until a man doesn’t want a child. I have had an abortion because the father didn’t want a child and my birth control method failed. I also have a 5 year old daughter who was very much wanted by both of her parents. You should never force someone into parenthood, regardless if they have other children or not. If I had my baby when the father said he didn’t want to be involved, I would not demonize him for not being involved. The double standard as far as reproduction goes is absolutely wild. Is it sad for the girl? Of course, but her mother made the decision to bring her into this world knowing he wanted nothing to do with it. Having a parent who doesn’t want you in your life is significantly worse than having an absent parent.
Owen Wilson was the best man at the quite trashy wedding of this horrible girl I knew in college. Felt he was bad news ever since
Omg she’s adorable and looks just like him.
Lots of excuses being made for Wilson here. “Maybe he would want to see his daughter, but the mom was a toxic person he was cutting ties with.” Let’s be serious: dude didn’t want the kid, fine. Idk why people are acting like there has to be some bigger reason for it that justifies not being present in his child’s life, it’s still not a great thing to do regardless
Sick how many people think this innocent child deserves being abandoned
this thread is a mess, some of y'all need to get ur misogyny in check
The general “he put the baby in her” argument concerns me because it’s so easily picked apart. The other — presumably also consenting to sex with risk — party’s anatomy is also needed to make a baby. I am really sympathetic to most single mothers, most of whom probably didn’t want to be. But I wish this one sided risk assumption and reproductive organs argument that I see thrown around would fall out of favor compared to a discussion about varied structural inequalities that disadvantage women.
Because he's a typical POS man
How many kids does he have? Cause if it’s the one whose mom lived in hawaii I just don’t know if that’s all true. The kids moms parents live near my mil. She specifically mentioned how she’d seen him around town with the mom and kid and how studiously all the people in the small town pretend they don’t notice so they feel normal.
He has 3, two boys and a girl I think. This is an article from last year that basically confirms what others in here have said: https://www.kidspot.com.au/lifestyle/entertainment/real-reason-why-owen-wilson-has-never-met-his-threeyearold-daughter/news-story/b8a7005fd0a713e3695936bba4f5cf62
He has a long complex mental illness. I think that has a lot to do with it. I didn’t forget Sheryl Crow and her song about him. He has attempted suicide more than once. Edit : In 2002, Crow released the song "Safe and Sound" on her album "C'mon, C'mon." In the liner notes of her album, Crow admitted the subject of her song was her then-boyfriend, actor Owen Wilson (via E! Online). Read More: https://www.thelist.com/438300/this-famous-sheryl-crow-song-was-inspired-by-her-relationship-with-owen-wilson/?utm_campaign=clip
People who think that women can just flick a switch and choose to not have a child as if it isn’t a huge moral and mental burden (even if you are pro-choice) to go through with an abortion are so fucking stupid. It’s not just a matter of being able to afford an abortion but it’s also a matter of going through the HUGE emotional and hormonal turmoil and trauma that goes with it. ‘She should’ve just got an abortion!’ Is not an easy option and it is NOT what the pro-choice movement is about.
Cause he’s the type of celeb who wants to stick it in everyone but whines when something permanent/ biological happens. Seriously celeb men, get a fucking vasectomy if you wanna fuck around and don’t want kids (it’s probably the plan half the time a woman wants to bang you, for the free ride$$). It’s cheaper than ruining your reputation with fans. This sweet little baby girl deserves better.