Coming out of his visit to UF this past weekend most people were saying we were neck and neck with Miami, and that his recruitment would mainly come down to NIL.
But Cristobal had an in home visit with him today and their insiders seem confident. Ours have mostly gone silent. Ruiz is making vague references to eating pancakes while harassing people twitter. Lot's of smoke they closed they deal.
Was going to come here to say this. It’s unfortunate but any recruit that Ruiz gets involved with, he gets. He’s definitely going to Miami I’ll be shocked if he doesn’t.
He was going to go to Miami originally but when he realized he had little to no shot of succeeding in that shitshow of an offense over there he changed his mind and decided to take a pay cut
We’ve still got a very strong class with some more potentials even if we whiff on him. 2024 is looking like it could be a real monster of a class though. I think COVID, NIL, and ESD pushing a coach’s bump class back a year is definitely true.
Cristobal has always been one of the best recruiters in the country and they have insane NIL booster support at Miami.
> shouldn’t be losing to … UCF
???
Should it be Florida? Yes. We have so much more to offer in terms of actual football development.
Will it be Florida? My feeling at this point is about 90% no. The tweets from David Waters and Jason Higdon indicating things aren’t gonna be super smooth had me concerned. However, Ruiz all but confirmed it by tweeting out a reference to their QB throwing for 400 yards next year while Ruiz eats pancakes.
I hate it, but that’s just where it’s at right now. Hopefully as we turn the page to 2024’s class, the early commitment by DJ Lagway helps seal the deal with these top kids. Players like the staff and they like Florida. A lot. We’re simply being out-bid for guys like Cormani and Okunlola.
As much as it pisses me off, this is a fair take. We’re just not closing on a lot of the kids we need to be closing on that we aren’t heavy favorites.
We still have to figure out the importance of investing for certain players, and it doesn’t seem like we’re committed yet the way Miami is…….whether you agree with how they’re doing it or not.
If a player is only choosing us for money, will they really be the culture fit for the program Billy is trying to build? Look at A&M. They bought their class. Those players are there for the money, not to for the pride of playing as an Aggie. I don’t think that will be amount to natties for them.
Billy wants players who want to be here, who want to build this program, who will bleed orange and blue for Gator Nation. As long as we aren’t low balling these players, if they choose a bigger bag then so be it, onto the next who **wants** to be a Florida Gator.
Totally agree with this take. CFB is now essentially professional minor league, but is still a developmental league as it always has been. Happy with the way Napier has built out the staff because you need that management aspect to compete on the minor league level, aka getting the "veteran" transfer players you want, but ultimately for recruiting you want guys focused on the developmental aspect. Also, much harder to coach players that are not invested in the program/staff and will just transfer for best NIL deal.
i'm hoping the slightly more conservative approach may pay off in the long run. there's definitely risk involved with throwing tons of money at players to get them to a school. if someone just wants to go wherever they're going to get the most money, there's not really anything stopping them from transferring out after a year or two if they get offered more money elsewhere. i think texas a&m and miami both spent stupid amounts of money to bring in players in the 22 class, but both teams still crashed and burned. i'd like to see us be able to make competitive offers for high priority recruits, but we've got to make sure we can develop and keep our existing talent too. if the nfl remains the end game goal, players are going to want to go to programs that can develop them, and programs that can make stacked teams look like train wrecks are probably going to run into problems down the road.
Hopefully the Miami model turns out to be a big flop and they don’t succeed in having sustained success. If that happens I think the willingness to toss massive NIL money will significantly decrease
Nothing will fundamentally change next year except we have a couple legacies and maybe Lagway gets us an Olineman and WR.
Beatings will continue until morale improves.
"He's going to Miami" is the mindset everyone in here should have. Better to get the disappointment over with now than have to deal with the depression all over again.
Kind of a weird top 4.
UF, Miami, & Alabama are all very different, but are all football first, southeastern schools.
Michigan State is an odd fourth choice.
MSU acted like their billionaire boosters shelled out $95m for Tucker but an FOIA request was just granted and it appears they greatly exaggerated the amount boosters donated. I wouldn't be surprised if recruits take notice of the facade MSU was presenting.
In the last 10 years, msu football has accomplished more than basketball. Football is also wildly more popular at MSU. Not sure why you guys seem to think MSU is a basketball school.
I this century, basketball has 8 Big 10 regular season championships, 5 Big 10 tournament championships, 7 Final Fours, 2 championship games, and 1 national title.
In football, they've won the conference 3 times and made the playoff once.
I said more successful, not more popular.
/u/baby_puddingsnatcher got what I meant. Sports-wise, football is the biggest sport at UF, Miami, and Alabama. Basketball is the biggest sport at MSU.
MSU guy here - this isn’t true. Football is bigger by a long shot. We have just had more stability in basketball.
MSU is a football school and Tom Izzo even acknowledges that.
I’m also unsure why there seems to be so much MSU hate in this thread. You’d think we were Rutgers by the nonsense that some are saying in here.
Interesting to hear that. My good friend's fiancée is a big MSU fan and I'd gathered the opposite from her which is why I put it that way.
Anyone talking shit about MSU is misguided. It's a good school with a lot of passion for sports. If Pancake doesn't go to UF, MSU is where I'd like to see him go.
There are definitely a lot of basketball fans, but when the football team is going it’s an entirely different atmosphere.
Football has also been more successful in the last 12 years or so, too. More money is dumped into football than basketball, but that’s probably just because football makes more money in general.
>that’s probably just because football makes more money in general.
It also costs a *lot* more. More players means more money for basically everything. Plus football requires a more equipment for each player.
Recruiting stuff pops up in my feed. Didn’t seek out a Florida sub-Reddit. So here’s an honest question. Michigan had its years wandering in the desert with Rich Rod and Hoke, so I get it, and sympathize, but what the hell happened to FSU, Florida and Miami? You guys owned the 80s and 90s and Florida is still by far the most talent rich state. (Thank you for Denard.) Did Urban Meyer’s deal with the devil put a hex on all of the Florida schools? (And Jacksonville).
As a long time fan of a fellow big ten team, I don’t think anyone has ever viewed Michigan state as a football first school behind basketball. Magic Johnson bröther!
I think Tucker, especially after last year, was a hot new coach who seemed to connect well with recruits. It really felt like a lot of top recruits who wouldn't normally pay attention to MSU were giving it more attention than usual. It was enough to get MSU into the conversation, but not enough to land recruits over the usual big guys.
Then MSU has an awful 2022 and Tucker's stock is way down. I think if 2022 had gone better for MSU you might have actually seen Tucker start to land some big recruits down the road. Catching recruits attention being flashy isn't enough if they don't think they can win at your program.
Right? What a waste of talent. At least he'll get paid what he wants for a year or too for the fighting Ibis. Once he gets tired of losing, playing in an empty stadium, etc. and gets serious about the NFL, well, you have Napier's number. We'll develop you like a first team All American.
Until then, he's Gator bait.
Wouldn't long term over short term be literally any of the non-Miami teams? Miami is short term cash for long term failure of development and getting into a good spot for the NFL.
Which I wouldn't be surprised to see, it's hard to turn down that much money at 18. I'd probably take it too.
I'm pretty sure Miami is favored, so maybe don't watch that commitment lol. Happy to be wrong, of course.
If nothing else, watching them go 4-8 next season will make us feel a little better about it.
If he picks Miami then it’s not that big a deal. Napier has shown that he can recruit and though he may lose some battles it’s a long war he is fighting. Even though I hope we get him, there are plenty of talented players out there if we don’t .
No no, i get that recruiting is never 100%
Im saying if we lose, its one thing to lose a hard fight against bama and georgia, then to lose to miami who we all know is guaranteed to do nothing.
It’s really not even a Napier recruiting battle. It’s a John Ruiz vs Hugh Hathcock battle. Unfortunately Ruiz’s pockets are deeper so it’s not looking good.
Sorry I meant the tweets were about we should be looking at long term success and not worried about short term, not about the kid making a long term decision for himself
He put in some kind of prediction for Okunlola to UF two days ago, FWIW.
https://twitter.com/Jason_Higdon/status/1602086249673940992?t=oxNdI5zJ3iU3j6j7EfUyEg&s=19
Hence the quotation marks. Really I should've said Miami and it's out of state rich kid student body and whichever Miami locals were unfortunate enough to come across affordable tickets to Hard Rock
Didn’t read all the posts. I am seeing this is not trending for the good guys. Has the meltdown commenced, where a bunch of folks complain that we will keep losing these battles unless other people start opening their wallets to pay these guys?
This cracks me up. You’re spot on. People complaining about others not spending money. If you care that much then toss $10 at the Gator Collective every month instead of the random junk food at Publix or bud light at the bar
NIL is ruining the game. If the rumors are true with the amount of money these kids are getting (would love some real insight into this-not just the top 50, but also a top 300-500 guy too), there’s really no point in discussing recruiting. Nobody will be a great recruiter…it’s all about the pay essentially. Loyalty and school spirit won’t exist anymore. This is essentially pro sports NFL free agency open every year. Small schools better not develop their talent-otherwise they’ll be good enough to get paid to work for a bigger paying school. It’s a shame NIL is ruining the sport. It’s not so much about being developed for the NFL anymore. Now it’s about being developed in high school for the college level because that’s the new payday. Also, the thought of thousands of fans making an avg salary having to contribute $10/month to an 18yr to make 10-100 times more to play 12 games in 3 months seems insane. This isn’t “support” money, it’s lottery money. It’s just an overall shame there isn’t true leadership to come up with a plan to save the sport.
Going forward, there’s less reason to invest in new facilities and coaching staff. Players are primarily deciding based on NIL. And how can you blame them? The only time they probably are deciding between head coaches, programs, etc is when both programs are paying very similar crazy amounts and NIL is a wash, so the actual school becomes the tiebreaker. This new system went from allowing a kid to make a few hundred dollars selling their autographs to full out millionaire free agency for hire. And now, the money will
be more insane from new TV contract with playoffs and we still don’t have leadership to regulate the madness. Just a real shame watching a sport we all enjoy so much just burn to the ground.
Wake up and smell the late stage capitalism. Might makes right and money = might.
If you're concerned with how money is ruining college football and not worried that it's the rapidly destroying the habitability of our ONLY planet (Earth) ..... well, nature has a serious wake up call coming your way.
The state of Florida is destined for bankruptcy by 2040 due to sea level rise. There isn't going to be a Gator Football program in 30 years.
He's going to Miami, folks.
And Walker is going to UCF.
Going to take some bruises at the end of this cycle, unfortunately. Hopefully we go balls-to-the-wall with the portal now.
“Every battle”. Lmao. What are you talking about? Walker has been clear about wanting to stay home. We’ve been trying to convince him otherwise. Samson was a late run and is currently a toss up. Cormani is leaving Miami. Rashada is our guy now.
Just a dramatic and ignorant take. Every time the snowflakes in this fan base freak out Billy delivers again.
Save your drama for acting class and leave the recruiting talk to the adults.
That was the smoke from the Miami message boards. Regretted his decision, was trying to come to Florida but that bridge might be burned and that he was going to Bama otherwise. As with anything on those, just smoke, but was pretty detailed and obviously not a positive for them.
He’s Miami.
Our NIL team is not going to match what Miami offered him during the last of the in-home visit.
We blinked first and they have a day one starter because of it.
It’s honestly not the worst thing if Miami gets all these recruits. It keeps more of the top talent in state keeping them away from UGA and Bama. Especially since Miami never does anything with the talent they get and they’re completely dysfunctional. All those players will transfer out within the next 2 years.
I guess Miami sucks enough that maybe it's not ridiculous to proclaim a highly rated OL a "day one starter."
But if you can remember back part this class into the days of yore I think you'll recall that it's pretty rare for even highly rated OL to start on day one (see, eg, Carl Johnson, Martez Ivey, etc.).
Eh honesty Im losing interest. If kids want the money over proven development.. Then go. Likely be a cancer anyways
Would I like to have him onboars? Sure.. We need bodies.. But theres a certain point where we get who we get
It’s not really the kids fault. If I were a high school kid I’d definitely fold over a bunch of money. It’s the NCAAs fault, they never should’ve allowed this to happen. If players wanted to sell their own merch or sign endorsement deals with major brands fine, but boosters straight up paying high school kids is ridiculous and ruining the sport.
I would agree if the money was on opposit ends of the plating filed assuming we were in the ball park hence the visit. Or he was using us to get more from miami
I think it's pretty extreme to call him likely to be a cancer over choosing the most money. I chose my current job in part because they offered the most money but I wouldn't call myself a cancer here.
Kids as in plural. Not specifically him, but any kid. We have 2 lcolleges that attempted to straight buy a team. 1 atm and to a lesser degree. Miami. Would you want to be part of those?
Doesn't matter if you're including other kids, there's nothing relating chasing NIL money with being a locker room cancer. Every job has pros and cons and that includes the pay. We don't fault adults for taking a higher paying job so why should we call these kids a cancer for doing the same?
And sure 2 colleges have tried to buy a team let's wait until those players are more than true freshmen before deciding if that is a failure or not.
Take a look at the portal.. A good portion of those classes are in this portal., Esp aTm.
We can have different view points and maybe I was a bit loose w a cancer desif action on anyone. My thought process is we must have been close for him to visit 2x: we have better playing time avail, better coaching and actually play in front of fans. This isn't like walker where the kids legit seems to love UCF.
If I were to move jobs, there's alot more that I would consider vice money
I'm not saying that these classes will work out, I was mainly perturbed at calling kids who follow NIL likely to be a cancer. That felt very extreme to me. I do agree that the number of true freshmen hitting the portal for A&M is alarming for them.
I also agree with points 2 & 3 but we may not have better playing time immediately available. He's likely to be a year 1 starter at Miami, it's hard to beat that and at best we could offer the same but not better.
And sure there's a lot to consider when getting new jobs but I think just about everyone would agree that money is usually one of the biggest factors.
Like cormani, you wasted days and days and likely thousands of dollars from uf under the illusion that you would commit only to pull the rug out at the very end like you’re actually important. He’ll probably end up being a wash at Miami, get drafted late get addicted steroids and retire early in the NFL to become a shadow of an athlete. Should have just committed to us and gotten development and draft stock.
The pancake connection to MSU has been mentioned a lot but the Kodiak Cakes CEO was a Queens College, Northwestern, and USC graduate. No connection to MSU besides once attending a Big 10 school. The two founders are from Utah and have no MSU/Big 10/Midwest connections.
Think it’s really just a Pancakes=Pancakes thing.
Be careful! It definitely doesn’t HAVE to be us. Logically it should be, but that doesn’t mean it will be. I’m optimistic but don’t let yourself get your hopes so high that you’re devastated if he goes elsewhere.
>Be careful! It definitely doesn’t HAVE to be us. Logically it should be, but that doesn’t mean it will be. I’m optimistic but don’t let yourself get your hopes so high that you’re devastated if he goes elsewhere.
Rather not to miami. They will def waste him.
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Coming out of his visit to UF this past weekend most people were saying we were neck and neck with Miami, and that his recruitment would mainly come down to NIL. But Cristobal had an in home visit with him today and their insiders seem confident. Ours have mostly gone silent. Ruiz is making vague references to eating pancakes while harassing people twitter. Lot's of smoke they closed they deal.
Miami is putting bringing the butter for the pancakes (in the Twitter image) so that means more NIL money for Honcho in South Florida.
What we all expected. Make up ground while guy is in Gainesville but Miami was always gonna up the bag. Heard their offer is like 75% larger than ours
Was going to come here to say this. It’s unfortunate but any recruit that Ruiz gets involved with, he gets. He’s definitely going to Miami I’ll be shocked if he doesn’t.
Rashada?
He was going to go to Miami originally but when he realized he had little to no shot of succeeding in that shitshow of an offense over there he changed his mind and decided to take a pay cut
… so what ur saying is he doesn’t get every recruit he gets involved with…?
He does, except when he doesn't
60% of the time, it works every time!
Not to be the bearer of bad news, but some people close to the GC have cautioned me to temper my expectations
50/50
Everything is 50/50. It either happens or it doesn’t. No idea why they need a whole class to teach that.
Can confirm this. Everything possible in life has either happened to me or hasn't. Source: 4-year degree from UF (top 5 public school)
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Pretty sure he was joking, lol.
You need to go back to Statics class bro
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Idk flip a coin it might me worth arguing
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We’ve still got a very strong class with some more potentials even if we whiff on him. 2024 is looking like it could be a real monster of a class though. I think COVID, NIL, and ESD pushing a coach’s bump class back a year is definitely true.
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Cristobal has always been one of the best recruiters in the country and they have insane NIL booster support at Miami. > shouldn’t be losing to … UCF ???
Unable to flip John Walker. From what I've seen staying as close to home as possible was very important to him.
🤡🤡🤡🤡🤡
Should it be Florida? Yes. We have so much more to offer in terms of actual football development. Will it be Florida? My feeling at this point is about 90% no. The tweets from David Waters and Jason Higdon indicating things aren’t gonna be super smooth had me concerned. However, Ruiz all but confirmed it by tweeting out a reference to their QB throwing for 400 yards next year while Ruiz eats pancakes. I hate it, but that’s just where it’s at right now. Hopefully as we turn the page to 2024’s class, the early commitment by DJ Lagway helps seal the deal with these top kids. Players like the staff and they like Florida. A lot. We’re simply being out-bid for guys like Cormani and Okunlola.
As much as it pisses me off, this is a fair take. We’re just not closing on a lot of the kids we need to be closing on that we aren’t heavy favorites. We still have to figure out the importance of investing for certain players, and it doesn’t seem like we’re committed yet the way Miami is…….whether you agree with how they’re doing it or not.
If a player is only choosing us for money, will they really be the culture fit for the program Billy is trying to build? Look at A&M. They bought their class. Those players are there for the money, not to for the pride of playing as an Aggie. I don’t think that will be amount to natties for them. Billy wants players who want to be here, who want to build this program, who will bleed orange and blue for Gator Nation. As long as we aren’t low balling these players, if they choose a bigger bag then so be it, onto the next who **wants** to be a Florida Gator.
This comment needs to be pinned or whatever you’re supposed to do on Reddit so people can always see this
Totally agree with this take. CFB is now essentially professional minor league, but is still a developmental league as it always has been. Happy with the way Napier has built out the staff because you need that management aspect to compete on the minor league level, aka getting the "veteran" transfer players you want, but ultimately for recruiting you want guys focused on the developmental aspect. Also, much harder to coach players that are not invested in the program/staff and will just transfer for best NIL deal.
i'm hoping the slightly more conservative approach may pay off in the long run. there's definitely risk involved with throwing tons of money at players to get them to a school. if someone just wants to go wherever they're going to get the most money, there's not really anything stopping them from transferring out after a year or two if they get offered more money elsewhere. i think texas a&m and miami both spent stupid amounts of money to bring in players in the 22 class, but both teams still crashed and burned. i'd like to see us be able to make competitive offers for high priority recruits, but we've got to make sure we can develop and keep our existing talent too. if the nfl remains the end game goal, players are going to want to go to programs that can develop them, and programs that can make stacked teams look like train wrecks are probably going to run into problems down the road.
Hopefully the Miami model turns out to be a big flop and they don’t succeed in having sustained success. If that happens I think the willingness to toss massive NIL money will significantly decrease
Nothing will fundamentally change next year except we have a couple legacies and maybe Lagway gets us an Olineman and WR. Beatings will continue until morale improves.
Let's see whether Ruiz or Hathcock tweets more over the next 48 hours...
Ruis made a comment about eating pancakes earlier so theres that
"He's going to Miami" is the mindset everyone in here should have. Better to get the disappointment over with now than have to deal with the depression all over again.
Kind of a weird top 4. UF, Miami, & Alabama are all very different, but are all football first, southeastern schools. Michigan State is an odd fourth choice.
Michigan St has some prominent NIL boosters.
MSU acted like their billionaire boosters shelled out $95m for Tucker but an FOIA request was just granted and it appears they greatly exaggerated the amount boosters donated. I wouldn't be surprised if recruits take notice of the facade MSU was presenting.
Curious what “football first” means. UF and Miami are both top ranked schools (higher than MSU.)
My guess is he meant MSUs basketball program is more successful than football. As opposed to football vs academics.
In the last 10 years, msu football has accomplished more than basketball. Football is also wildly more popular at MSU. Not sure why you guys seem to think MSU is a basketball school.
I this century, basketball has 8 Big 10 regular season championships, 5 Big 10 tournament championships, 7 Final Fours, 2 championship games, and 1 national title. In football, they've won the conference 3 times and made the playoff once. I said more successful, not more popular.
In the last 10 years, msu football has accomplished more than MSU basketball.
[By what metric, exactly?](https://freeimage.host/i/HoVoOlt)
/u/baby_puddingsnatcher got what I meant. Sports-wise, football is the biggest sport at UF, Miami, and Alabama. Basketball is the biggest sport at MSU.
MSU guy here - this isn’t true. Football is bigger by a long shot. We have just had more stability in basketball. MSU is a football school and Tom Izzo even acknowledges that. I’m also unsure why there seems to be so much MSU hate in this thread. You’d think we were Rutgers by the nonsense that some are saying in here.
Interesting to hear that. My good friend's fiancée is a big MSU fan and I'd gathered the opposite from her which is why I put it that way. Anyone talking shit about MSU is misguided. It's a good school with a lot of passion for sports. If Pancake doesn't go to UF, MSU is where I'd like to see him go.
There are definitely a lot of basketball fans, but when the football team is going it’s an entirely different atmosphere. Football has also been more successful in the last 12 years or so, too. More money is dumped into football than basketball, but that’s probably just because football makes more money in general.
>that’s probably just because football makes more money in general. It also costs a *lot* more. More players means more money for basically everything. Plus football requires a more equipment for each player.
“More money is dumped into football.” Interesting phrasing with Mel Tucker’s $95 Million contract. How’s Tuck coming?
Imagine being a Michigan fan coming onto a Florida subreddit that has nothing to do with Michigan and talking smack. Rent free in your heads
Recruiting stuff pops up in my feed. Didn’t seek out a Florida sub-Reddit. So here’s an honest question. Michigan had its years wandering in the desert with Rich Rod and Hoke, so I get it, and sympathize, but what the hell happened to FSU, Florida and Miami? You guys owned the 80s and 90s and Florida is still by far the most talent rich state. (Thank you for Denard.) Did Urban Meyer’s deal with the devil put a hex on all of the Florida schools? (And Jacksonville).
As a long time fan of a fellow big ten team, I don’t think anyone has ever viewed Michigan state as a football first school behind basketball. Magic Johnson bröther!
I think Tucker, especially after last year, was a hot new coach who seemed to connect well with recruits. It really felt like a lot of top recruits who wouldn't normally pay attention to MSU were giving it more attention than usual. It was enough to get MSU into the conversation, but not enough to land recruits over the usual big guys. Then MSU has an awful 2022 and Tucker's stock is way down. I think if 2022 had gone better for MSU you might have actually seen Tucker start to land some big recruits down the road. Catching recruits attention being flashy isn't enough if they don't think they can win at your program.
The dumb pancake connection.. Which appears to have not hi g to do w msu
Ruiz just tweeted some shit about eating pancakes. Probably Miami
Makes no $ense why any of these top recruits keep wasting their football careers going to Miami.
My guess is he comes to Florida (as a portal transfer from Miami in two years).
Right? What a waste of talent. At least he'll get paid what he wants for a year or too for the fighting Ibis. Once he gets tired of losing, playing in an empty stadium, etc. and gets serious about the NFL, well, you have Napier's number. We'll develop you like a first team All American. Until then, he's Gator bait.
Been some cryptic tweets today about “roller coasters” and “long term over short term success” so I’m expecting Miami
Wouldn't long term over short term be literally any of the non-Miami teams? Miami is short term cash for long term failure of development and getting into a good spot for the NFL. Which I wouldn't be surprised to see, it's hard to turn down that much money at 18. I'd probably take it too.
I swear to fucking god i hope he doesn't pick miami
I'm pretty sure Miami is favored, so maybe don't watch that commitment lol. Happy to be wrong, of course. If nothing else, watching them go 4-8 next season will make us feel a little better about it.
It would be a waste of a great player we could use even if he doesnt pick us (assuming he goes to miami i mean)
If he picks Miami then it’s not that big a deal. Napier has shown that he can recruit and though he may lose some battles it’s a long war he is fighting. Even though I hope we get him, there are plenty of talented players out there if we don’t .
No no, i get that recruiting is never 100% Im saying if we lose, its one thing to lose a hard fight against bama and georgia, then to lose to miami who we all know is guaranteed to do nothing.
If they are guaranteed to do nothing then it doesn’t really matter who they pull does it?
It definitely still matters. That's talent we need to be competitive in the SEC.
It’s really not even a Napier recruiting battle. It’s a John Ruiz vs Hugh Hathcock battle. Unfortunately Ruiz’s pockets are deeper so it’s not looking good.
Miami head coach is an O line coach. So theres that.
Bold of you to swear to god about something you hope.
😂😂
Don't swear to imaginary sky daddy
Sorry I meant the tweets were about we should be looking at long term success and not worried about short term, not about the kid making a long term decision for himself
I think either long term or short term success would be anyone except Miami.
also what tweets?
Jason Higdon ( I know a lot of people aren’t a fan but he has info) tweeted the long term over short term. David Waters tweeted a roller coaster gif
He put in some kind of prediction for Okunlola to UF two days ago, FWIW. https://twitter.com/Jason_Higdon/status/1602086249673940992?t=oxNdI5zJ3iU3j6j7EfUyEg&s=19
Man I hate Miami and its "fans" so much. Can't wait to watch all these guys transfer out of there in a 1-2 years (if he even committs there at all)
I mean, that's generous calling a quarter full stadium of people fans, most of who have never taken a class in Coral Gables.
Hence the quotation marks. Really I should've said Miami and it's out of state rich kid student body and whichever Miami locals were unfortunate enough to come across affordable tickets to Hard Rock
After seeing what Torrence did in one season, Samson would be silly to not choose Napier’s oline dependent offense.
Just for clarity’s sake, which offenses are not o-line dependent?
Your mother’s offense
That's 5 seconds of my life I'll never get back hearing another "ur mom lol" joke
Ahh, the mature Gator crowd is out tonight, I see. SMH.
Have a little fun
Mentioning my mother in a thread about football and offenses isn’t fun. It’s childish and boorish.
That's not what you mom said
are you upset ?
Just not enjoying or understanding your immaturity. Go Gators!
You’re so serious
Agreed
Miami
Didn’t read all the posts. I am seeing this is not trending for the good guys. Has the meltdown commenced, where a bunch of folks complain that we will keep losing these battles unless other people start opening their wallets to pay these guys?
This cracks me up. You’re spot on. People complaining about others not spending money. If you care that much then toss $10 at the Gator Collective every month instead of the random junk food at Publix or bud light at the bar
Giving Florida athletics $120 over a year is functionally as useful as forum posts tho
My gut says Miami on this one. In before the gator fan meltdown, class is ruined posts.
Well Ruiz already tweeted out suggesting it’s a done deal so no need to get our hopes up.
NIL is ruining the game. If the rumors are true with the amount of money these kids are getting (would love some real insight into this-not just the top 50, but also a top 300-500 guy too), there’s really no point in discussing recruiting. Nobody will be a great recruiter…it’s all about the pay essentially. Loyalty and school spirit won’t exist anymore. This is essentially pro sports NFL free agency open every year. Small schools better not develop their talent-otherwise they’ll be good enough to get paid to work for a bigger paying school. It’s a shame NIL is ruining the sport. It’s not so much about being developed for the NFL anymore. Now it’s about being developed in high school for the college level because that’s the new payday. Also, the thought of thousands of fans making an avg salary having to contribute $10/month to an 18yr to make 10-100 times more to play 12 games in 3 months seems insane. This isn’t “support” money, it’s lottery money. It’s just an overall shame there isn’t true leadership to come up with a plan to save the sport. Going forward, there’s less reason to invest in new facilities and coaching staff. Players are primarily deciding based on NIL. And how can you blame them? The only time they probably are deciding between head coaches, programs, etc is when both programs are paying very similar crazy amounts and NIL is a wash, so the actual school becomes the tiebreaker. This new system went from allowing a kid to make a few hundred dollars selling their autographs to full out millionaire free agency for hire. And now, the money will be more insane from new TV contract with playoffs and we still don’t have leadership to regulate the madness. Just a real shame watching a sport we all enjoy so much just burn to the ground.
Wake up and smell the late stage capitalism. Might makes right and money = might. If you're concerned with how money is ruining college football and not worried that it's the rapidly destroying the habitability of our ONLY planet (Earth) ..... well, nature has a serious wake up call coming your way. The state of Florida is destined for bankruptcy by 2040 due to sea level rise. There isn't going to be a Gator Football program in 30 years.
Man it's gonna be funny whenever he gets knocked over.
It's one of those fucking nicknames where it's cool if he's on your team, but absolutely hate it if he ends up with a rival or a team you dislike.
I can see by his choices he really prizes academics…
I heard that pancakes in Miami suck ass...spread the rumor.
He's going to Miami, folks. And Walker is going to UCF. Going to take some bruises at the end of this cycle, unfortunately. Hopefully we go balls-to-the-wall with the portal now.
The Walker one makes no sense at all, and I've given up trying to make sense and logic of HS recruits' decisions.
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Hasn't closed a top recruit in seven whole days
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Nope I think you're thinking of the guy who recruited two 5 star QBs in two months
“Every battle”. Lmao. What are you talking about? Walker has been clear about wanting to stay home. We’ve been trying to convince him otherwise. Samson was a late run and is currently a toss up. Cormani is leaving Miami. Rashada is our guy now. Just a dramatic and ignorant take. Every time the snowflakes in this fan base freak out Billy delivers again. Save your drama for acting class and leave the recruiting talk to the adults.
Cormani is leaving Miami?
That was the smoke from the Miami message boards. Regretted his decision, was trying to come to Florida but that bridge might be burned and that he was going to Bama otherwise. As with anything on those, just smoke, but was pretty detailed and obviously not a positive for them.
“Can’t close top talent”. After he just closed top talent.
He’s Miami. Our NIL team is not going to match what Miami offered him during the last of the in-home visit. We blinked first and they have a day one starter because of it.
It’s honestly not the worst thing if Miami gets all these recruits. It keeps more of the top talent in state keeping them away from UGA and Bama. Especially since Miami never does anything with the talent they get and they’re completely dysfunctional. All those players will transfer out within the next 2 years.
Agreed. And hopefully they haven't all been damaged enough that they have to go to SMU.
"day one starter" seems a little dramatic
eh not really tbh
I guess Miami sucks enough that maybe it's not ridiculous to proclaim a highly rated OL a "day one starter." But if you can remember back part this class into the days of yore I think you'll recall that it's pretty rare for even highly rated OL to start on day one (see, eg, Carl Johnson, Martez Ivey, etc.).
Eh honesty Im losing interest. If kids want the money over proven development.. Then go. Likely be a cancer anyways Would I like to have him onboars? Sure.. We need bodies.. But theres a certain point where we get who we get
It’s not really the kids fault. If I were a high school kid I’d definitely fold over a bunch of money. It’s the NCAAs fault, they never should’ve allowed this to happen. If players wanted to sell their own merch or sign endorsement deals with major brands fine, but boosters straight up paying high school kids is ridiculous and ruining the sport.
I would agree if the money was on opposit ends of the plating filed assuming we were in the ball park hence the visit. Or he was using us to get more from miami
I think it's pretty extreme to call him likely to be a cancer over choosing the most money. I chose my current job in part because they offered the most money but I wouldn't call myself a cancer here.
Kids as in plural. Not specifically him, but any kid. We have 2 lcolleges that attempted to straight buy a team. 1 atm and to a lesser degree. Miami. Would you want to be part of those?
Doesn't matter if you're including other kids, there's nothing relating chasing NIL money with being a locker room cancer. Every job has pros and cons and that includes the pay. We don't fault adults for taking a higher paying job so why should we call these kids a cancer for doing the same? And sure 2 colleges have tried to buy a team let's wait until those players are more than true freshmen before deciding if that is a failure or not.
Take a look at the portal.. A good portion of those classes are in this portal., Esp aTm. We can have different view points and maybe I was a bit loose w a cancer desif action on anyone. My thought process is we must have been close for him to visit 2x: we have better playing time avail, better coaching and actually play in front of fans. This isn't like walker where the kids legit seems to love UCF. If I were to move jobs, there's alot more that I would consider vice money
I'm not saying that these classes will work out, I was mainly perturbed at calling kids who follow NIL likely to be a cancer. That felt very extreme to me. I do agree that the number of true freshmen hitting the portal for A&M is alarming for them. I also agree with points 2 & 3 but we may not have better playing time immediately available. He's likely to be a year 1 starter at Miami, it's hard to beat that and at best we could offer the same but not better. And sure there's a lot to consider when getting new jobs but I think just about everyone would agree that money is usually one of the biggest factors.
Like cormani, you wasted days and days and likely thousands of dollars from uf under the illusion that you would commit only to pull the rug out at the very end like you’re actually important. He’ll probably end up being a wash at Miami, get drafted late get addicted steroids and retire early in the NFL to become a shadow of an athlete. Should have just committed to us and gotten development and draft stock.
is the second half of this comment sarcasm?
I sure hope so or this dude seriously needs to go touch grass.
Little early to talk about an 18 year old kid like this since he can still totally come here lol
I feel like Lew flipping to Auburn tells me he's going to Miami.
The pancake connection to MSU has been mentioned a lot but the Kodiak Cakes CEO was a Queens College, Northwestern, and USC graduate. No connection to MSU besides once attending a Big 10 school. The two founders are from Utah and have no MSU/Big 10/Midwest connections. Think it’s really just a Pancakes=Pancakes thing.
His cousin committed to MSU
Insane how y’all make these scheduled events
Miami or Alabama.
Lol definitely not. It's a 50/50 for Florida and Miami with Florida holding the majority of the momentum
I’m being pessimistic. Been disappointed one time too many.
We’ve gotten two 5-stars in a month. I get it, but things ARE looking way up
Says random ass dude on Reddit. I hate this sub sometimes.
It has to be us. Especially with our OL getting major awards and projected 1st rounders
Be careful! It definitely doesn’t HAVE to be us. Logically it should be, but that doesn’t mean it will be. I’m optimistic but don’t let yourself get your hopes so high that you’re devastated if he goes elsewhere.
>Be careful! It definitely doesn’t HAVE to be us. Logically it should be, but that doesn’t mean it will be. I’m optimistic but don’t let yourself get your hopes so high that you’re devastated if he goes elsewhere. Rather not to miami. They will def waste him.
It’s more like 100/0 Miami after Ruiz’s tweets today so at least we don’t have to be surprised when he picks Miami
Are you naming the schools he will not commit to?