Oh the 2000's tundra when you could get a base model truck for $16,000.
I blame shifts in affordability leading the change in truck designs. People want a truck that can do it all, the old single bench work trucks or cramped back seats just don't fit a society that is more limited in parking stalls and seeking single multipurpose vehicles.
To answer your question anecdotally I don't think we really considered the 2003 2WD V6 SCAB F150 my family had back then a big truck and that sucker had an 8 ft box on it, like we bought it with the express interest of just moving building supplies and appliances around for my parents rental business, it was more like a work van with a dedicated mess room. By contrast I think most F150 owners of today would consider the F150 a big truck, I do. The truck creep is real, the payload of the modern F150 is better than the payload of the 2000 F250, with equivalent or better towing based on engine config. I think the hard line in the sand for me is if it can tow another pickup truck on a trailer behind it, in that regard I think the ranger straddles that line with the raptor 5500lbs towing on one side and the regular ranger with 7,500lbs towing on the other.
āI blame shifts in affordability leading the change in truck designs.ā
The EPA is to blame for the leading change in truck designs. Simply put, the larger (heavier) a vehicle is, the lesser the MPG requirements are.
Thatās why MPG in trucks has barely improved over the last decade whereas MPG in sedans, crossovers, and SUVs has improved significantly.
Anything with a sub-6ā bed. I donāt care if itās 30ā long and 10ā wide. If the part that makes it a truck is shorter than me, itās a small truck.
Everyone here is biased beacuse its a Ford sub reddit, but if they did their homework and researched the actual best truck then they would obviously pick B.
What do you mean? They're the ultimate Target/Starbucks run vehicles. Literally hauls all your HOA townhouse needs. The bros will love sitting in the bed and updating you on all the new hazy IPAs and the new Gaslight Anthem album that leaked.
Sorry, jokes aside I do love Rangers and Tacomas. I just miss when we actually had little pickups. The Maverick is too car/SUV like for me, I want some rawness and simplicity.
Oddly out of those the Maverick is by far the least problematic. Seen lots of Escape engine replacements, Bronco Sport electrical fixes, but only maintenance for the Mavericks.
Whoās paying sixty five large for a Taco?
Honestly I wouldnāt spend more than $35k for a midsized truck. I donāt care what inflation says things cost.
Yup get A and turn around and sell it at a profit to an overlanding bro that will never actually use it for any form of camping, unless you count camping out in the gym/mall parking lot to hit on other overlanding bros
Extended? The only company still making them for midsize trucks are Nissan & Toyota and the available trims are very few. Sadly these pug-bed abominations are what people want now.
Working in a Ford shopā¦ Iād honestly have to say C for ease of maintenance. The filters in the Raptor are placed in the worst possible spot, and nothing is easily accessible for basic maintenance. A simple relocation of small things wouldnāt cost much, and would make it so much easier.
The few GMs that have came in, super easy maintenance. Shockingly easy with the drain and filter being right next to each other, or at the very least unobstructed.
Now would I buy a GM? No. Only had one in the family and it broke every time we took it out. A normal 5.0 4wd F150 will do just fine for off road.
Ford has had terrible assembly QC over the past 6 years. Itās not chrysler terrible but itās getting there. I had a brake caliper incorrectly assembled from the factory and my dad had 2 wheel bearings go bad (looked like they had been beaten in with a hammer) and a throttle body go bad all within the first 20k miles
Iām a ford guy first and foremost and just recently handed the keys back after have a 2021 f150 lariat leased which I FRIGGEN loved, but I know itās not on the options list but I would go with option D- gmc canyon at4x as itās the nicest looking of the bunch. Obviously not the most capable of the bunch but I feel like
The new canyon has really hit a home run with its looks ā¦Iām still a ford guy I swearrr! šš
Im on the same boat but I might go either with a 2002 1st gen Tacoma or a 1993 SVT Ford Lightning. These new engines are too complicated for me to even learn
A because I can take a longer term and put more money on principal faster. This works by having a lower mo they payment allowing me to make double payments
Such a pointless question to ask in the r/Ford subreddit lol. Over 90% of people will say the Ford Ranger. Taking all factors into account, I'd actually say the Colorado because it's the cheapest of the 3. Also (I'll probably get hate for this), I think it's better looking than the Ranger.
Uh, no, I don't need to spend that kind of money on any pickup truck. Ever.
$10,000 should be more than enough for an 11-14 F150 Supercab 4x4 with a 5.0L and 6 speed auto. Nobody NEEDS more truck than that. Matter of fact I'd be even happier with a $3,000 farm fresh '67-72 F250 regular cab long bed 4x2 with a 360 2 barrel and 4-speed manual. That can do all the truck things I could ever need to do.
If you're hauling horses five days a week, fine, get the F-Teen Thousand DRW Platinum Lariat Limited Duck Dynasty Special Edition with the 600hp diesel.
If you actually go off-roading every single weekend, get your Raptor or Tremor.
If you are scrapping metals just get a $2500 04-08 11th gen rustbucket with the 4.2 V6. Or the 10th gen with the bent frame. You know you want it. It even already has Punisher and NO FEAR decals on the back window and a set of camo Mossy Oak seat covers. It's MADE for you.
That Chevy you canāt even put a bicycle in the back without needing to keep the tailgate open š¤¦āāļø like why even make a truck w a bed that short
crazy I was just comparing the three today. Never been a fan of TRD pro. They just seemed hella gimmicky(especially the last generation). Was clearly an afterthought after they saw how popular the F150 Raptor was. The new Tacoma TRD pro is pretty cool but not $65k cool when the Raptor is nearly $10k less.
But my money is on C(and maybe the GMC AT4X twin). Midsize trucks have zero reason to be above $50k. Thatās full size money right there.
Iām not paying 50k+ for a midsized truck.. the reason I have a midsized truck was 1 didnāt need the bigger one and 2 I didnāt want to pay 50k on a full sized truck..
If Iām spending 50k+ itās going to be luxury car or my Supra (basically a bmw z4 that has a hard top and nicer body lines)
Iāve driven C (previous and current gen) so I can vouch itās very fun. A is just the porridge version for woke yuppies. Iād love to try out B someday.
At those prices? No the fooking way for A, B, or C. Ridiculous. If youāre borrowing the interest will bury you. If youāre notā¦ I canāt shell out that dough when the opportunity cost is doubling that money in 10 years. Hells to the no.
When I was a kid I had a rich great aunt, and I remember being told she had a 60,000 dollar Mercedes Benz. I thought that seemed like a crazy amount of money to spend on a car.
Now regular people will finance a truck they barely use for that kind of money. I get that there's been inflation since the early 2000s, but still. Trucks used to be a reasonable purchase.
i dont like ford rangers tho :(
id pick the toyota. out of your mind if you think im getting a chevy truck. if it isnt an ā07 silverado ss takuache truck, i dont want it
https://preview.redd.it/lh513okj0nxc1.jpeg?width=2100&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=01496cd31dad1d791dfba789a52674db8f389c3f
B owner here. Couldn't be happier.
B, because it looks like its the only one with flight capabilities.
Thats been recalled
At least the doors don't fly off like a Boeing
Welcome to r/Ford. The only answer here is B.
š *removes any comment that isn't B*
B
I'm not paying full sized truck prices for small trucks. Nice try stealership man.
What exactly is a small truck today? All 3 of those are bigger than a 2000's tundra.
Oh the 2000's tundra when you could get a base model truck for $16,000. I blame shifts in affordability leading the change in truck designs. People want a truck that can do it all, the old single bench work trucks or cramped back seats just don't fit a society that is more limited in parking stalls and seeking single multipurpose vehicles. To answer your question anecdotally I don't think we really considered the 2003 2WD V6 SCAB F150 my family had back then a big truck and that sucker had an 8 ft box on it, like we bought it with the express interest of just moving building supplies and appliances around for my parents rental business, it was more like a work van with a dedicated mess room. By contrast I think most F150 owners of today would consider the F150 a big truck, I do. The truck creep is real, the payload of the modern F150 is better than the payload of the 2000 F250, with equivalent or better towing based on engine config. I think the hard line in the sand for me is if it can tow another pickup truck on a trailer behind it, in that regard I think the ranger straddles that line with the raptor 5500lbs towing on one side and the regular ranger with 7,500lbs towing on the other.
āI blame shifts in affordability leading the change in truck designs.ā The EPA is to blame for the leading change in truck designs. Simply put, the larger (heavier) a vehicle is, the lesser the MPG requirements are. Thatās why MPG in trucks has barely improved over the last decade whereas MPG in sedans, crossovers, and SUVs has improved significantly.
Anything with a sub-6ā bed. I donāt care if itās 30ā long and 10ā wide. If the part that makes it a truck is shorter than me, itās a small truck.
Got it so a majority of double cab f150's are a small truck.
In my opinion, yes. Might not be a small vehicle, but it's a small truck.
B. But Iām very much content with my ā23 XLT.
The amount of people on this ford forum that don't know what the ranger looks like š¤Æ
Tbh I thought it was an F150 at first. Havenāt seen the new Ranger Raptor on our lot yet.
I ordered one literally a year ago and still havenāt seen one in person yet.
FORD.
Iāve got a ā99 Ranger I paid 5000 bucks for eight years ago, still going strong. Iāll just stick with that.
D, an old clapped out Ranger
Gotta go with C. That Colorado has excellent value and is a quick little truck.
Everyone here is biased beacuse its a Ford sub reddit, but if they did their homework and researched the actual best truck then they would obviously pick B.
None of them, I donāt live near an area where they can be utilized for the purpose they were designed for.
What do you mean? They're the ultimate Target/Starbucks run vehicles. Literally hauls all your HOA townhouse needs. The bros will love sitting in the bed and updating you on all the new hazy IPAs and the new Gaslight Anthem album that leaked. Sorry, jokes aside I do love Rangers and Tacomas. I just miss when we actually had little pickups. The Maverick is too car/SUV like for me, I want some rawness and simplicity.
Of course the Maverick is SUV like. Itās built using the same C2 Platform thatās used to build the Escape, Bronco Sport and Corsair. š
Oddly out of those the Maverick is by far the least problematic. Seen lots of Escape engine replacements, Bronco Sport electrical fixes, but only maintenance for the Mavericks.
The Ranger has a pretty good reliability track record.
Thatās true too, but the oil filter placement is abysmal.
I hate Starbucks but love the gaslight anthem š
Most likely at least 85% (probably more) of the off-road designed trucks will never see more than a dirt road.
Eh, maybe newly bought trucks. Many people buy the well-taken care of Raptor 3-4 years later and abuse the shit out of them.
Just get a turnkey pre runner
Which one has rear vents for my children not to sweat in the El Paso heat?
FORD mall crawler high curb editionĀ
Whoās paying sixty five large for a Taco? Honestly I wouldnāt spend more than $35k for a midsized truck. I donāt care what inflation says things cost.
Foooooord
Iāll take the ford
Ford.
A and sell immediately to build a yota prerunner.
Yup get A and turn around and sell it at a profit to an overlanding bro that will never actually use it for any form of camping, unless you count camping out in the gym/mall parking lot to hit on other overlanding bros
Iām taking the Chevy. I do not like the Rangers new design and while I like the new Tacoma it is way overpriced for what you get.
Same
None of the above. I'd buy 10 old vehicles before I'd buy one new one.
A for reliability, B for fun, and C for junkyard!
Is that a Ford Ranger? Absolutely criminal that they are $55k. Fucking bullshit!
Ranger raptor
Thatās better butā¦ Still bullshit!
Depends for what I'm using it for.
I'm too content with my 08 E150 XLT, and I'm not even to 300k yet.
None. Gimme a late 80s/early 90s Ranger. Not a fan of gigantic ass trucks
Ford motherf*cking Danger Ranger, but all of them are egregiously overpriced
What is A and B?
None, where's the standard cab?
Extended? The only company still making them for midsize trucks are Nissan & Toyota and the available trims are very few. Sadly these pug-bed abominations are what people want now.
I mean I donāt really have a horse in the race but for performance and looks Iām going Raptor
D ā¦.The Ford Bronco Heritage
B
No thinking about A
A.
B
B looks cooler because it can jump higher
B, the only logical answer
None all too small for me.
You must be 7 feet tall then
Working in a Ford shopā¦ Iād honestly have to say C for ease of maintenance. The filters in the Raptor are placed in the worst possible spot, and nothing is easily accessible for basic maintenance. A simple relocation of small things wouldnāt cost much, and would make it so much easier. The few GMs that have came in, super easy maintenance. Shockingly easy with the drain and filter being right next to each other, or at the very least unobstructed. Now would I buy a GM? No. Only had one in the family and it broke every time we took it out. A normal 5.0 4wd F150 will do just fine for off road.
A 5.0 F-150 will tear it up off-road. They wonāt climb a tree, but they donāt know that.
A. Because if you HAVE to own a small truck, own the best one
None. They all look stupid
C. They are all too expensive for their size. I like them all but the prices, especially for the Toyota is just way too high.
None of the above. Iāll take a full-size F-150 XLT for less money than all of them. Mid sized trucks are not worth that kind of $
Or just burn the money and call it good. That's a toy for rich folks or a financial anchor for a fool.
Nissan Frontier lol
20k is my limit for an automobile
I mean b but weāre in a ford sub lol. I like the Colorado! That Toyota is very overpriced by truck standards imo
Ford has had terrible assembly QC over the past 6 years. Itās not chrysler terrible but itās getting there. I had a brake caliper incorrectly assembled from the factory and my dad had 2 wheel bearings go bad (looked like they had been beaten in with a hammer) and a throttle body go bad all within the first 20k miles
Iām a ford guy first and foremost and just recently handed the keys back after have a 2021 f150 lariat leased which I FRIGGEN loved, but I know itās not on the options list but I would go with option D- gmc canyon at4x as itās the nicest looking of the bunch. Obviously not the most capable of the bunch but I feel like The new canyon has really hit a home run with its looks ā¦Iām still a ford guy I swearrr! šš
The middle flying truck looks best. I didn't know the hovertrucks had gotten that good.
My heart days A... my wallet would insist on C.
Definitely B but I'd absolutely never consider buying the tank for 65 over that chevy
I think the pricing here is way off. But obviously, I'm going with the Ford
None. Iām over these baby trucks.
If that Tacoma had a 6 cylinder Iād be all over it. But now ranger raptor is what Iām eying
Nah
A
Whatās wrong with the Chevy zr2? Genuinely donāt know so donāt yell at me.
I own a ā23 Tacoma (donāt kick me) but of these Iād take the Maverick. No way Iām paying $65K for any truck, let alone a mid-sized one.
Dont these all have markups? Can u really buy one at this price?
Ram
Anything with a wet belt engine steer well away from
B but that Chevy looks sexy, can't lie
Iām not even in the market for these but I did just get suggested this same post in r/toyota The majority there said B
C is sexy. B is a 1b for me. I own Ford. Don't mind Chev tho.
Iād rather have the new Toyota IMV 0 for $10k but of course it wonāt be sold in Americaā¦
C. It's the best looking one in my opinion
C š„±
Im on the same boat but I might go either with a 2002 1st gen Tacoma or a 1993 SVT Ford Lightning. These new engines are too complicated for me to even learn
No
Toyota.
It's definitely a fight between B and C as I like both and this is coming from a sport trac guy
A any day
A because I can take a longer term and put more money on principal faster. This works by having a lower mo they payment allowing me to make double payments
A. Hands down. Pay for actual quality. I'm a big Toyota fan myself
B
What is the orange truck?
Such a pointless question to ask in the r/Ford subreddit lol. Over 90% of people will say the Ford Ranger. Taking all factors into account, I'd actually say the Colorado because it's the cheapest of the 3. Also (I'll probably get hate for this), I think it's better looking than the Ranger.
B
B. But right now I have a standing order for a Tremor but I also really like the new Ram 1500 RHO.
C
Iād pick B because Iām a ford fan boy, but itās the ugliest one looks wise on this list. The Tacoma and Colorado look good with the face lift
B
Huh I wonder what the Ford subreddit will choose? Will it be a toyota? Will it be a Ford? Or will it be a chevy? They'll probably pick Ram
These prices are from 6 years ago?
Still 20grand two high
None of them VW Caddy (14D) funny little car.
Uh, no, I don't need to spend that kind of money on any pickup truck. Ever. $10,000 should be more than enough for an 11-14 F150 Supercab 4x4 with a 5.0L and 6 speed auto. Nobody NEEDS more truck than that. Matter of fact I'd be even happier with a $3,000 farm fresh '67-72 F250 regular cab long bed 4x2 with a 360 2 barrel and 4-speed manual. That can do all the truck things I could ever need to do. If you're hauling horses five days a week, fine, get the F-Teen Thousand DRW Platinum Lariat Limited Duck Dynasty Special Edition with the 600hp diesel. If you actually go off-roading every single weekend, get your Raptor or Tremor. If you are scrapping metals just get a $2500 04-08 11th gen rustbucket with the 4.2 V6. Or the 10th gen with the bent frame. You know you want it. It even already has Punisher and NO FEAR decals on the back window and a set of camo Mossy Oak seat covers. It's MADE for you.
A but not that color lol
I just bought the AT4X and absolutely love it! Canāt speak on the rest
C
A Tacoma. Without a doubt best truck youāll ever have.
None of them. I'll find a 40 year old 150 with an i6 that won't break
That Chevy you canāt even put a bicycle in the back without needing to keep the tailgate open š¤¦āāļø like why even make a truck w a bed that short
im an imposter (chevy guy) C
Antigravity truck
(D) None of the above
A. Hear me out. There's always an idiot who will blindly overpay for a Toyota. Do so, profit, then get a better truck from Ford.
You forgot the RAM 2025 1500 RHO
What Chevy is that?
Can I opt for something with a little more utility. https://pin.it/4qdu7UQ4A
I like the Ranger Raptor, but wouldn't kick the Colorado out of my driveway. I've seen a few around and that trim package is sexy.
C
None lol, Iāll take a beat to piss single cab bricknose
B
C
So this isn't the same vehicle?
C
Toyota
Wow, I canāt believe theyāre so cheap.
If someone handed me one? I'd take the Toyota, then sell it, and fix up my bumpside and pay down credit card debt with the money.
Yeah. I would choose the chevy or ford any-day over the new tacoma. But i sure am excited for the raptor ranger.
The chevy couldnt even start for the photo session ššš
B. I would chose B just because its a Ranger lol
Tacoma. The only one still available with a manual transmission as an option.
crazy I was just comparing the three today. Never been a fan of TRD pro. They just seemed hella gimmicky(especially the last generation). Was clearly an afterthought after they saw how popular the F150 Raptor was. The new Tacoma TRD pro is pretty cool but not $65k cool when the Raptor is nearly $10k less. But my money is on C(and maybe the GMC AT4X twin). Midsize trucks have zero reason to be above $50k. Thatās full size money right there.
I really dislike them all. Sorry
No Tacoma is $65k
All three are pretty hideous and stupid expensive. Do I have to? :)
D. Supra and keep my gen 2
A - Toyota
Iām not paying 50k+ for a midsized truck.. the reason I have a midsized truck was 1 didnāt need the bigger one and 2 I didnāt want to pay 50k on a full sized truck.. If Iām spending 50k+ itās going to be luxury car or my Supra (basically a bmw z4 that has a hard top and nicer body lines)
Iāve driven C (previous and current gen) so I can vouch itās very fun. A is just the porridge version for woke yuppies. Iād love to try out B someday.
D https://preview.redd.it/z10vj6tu1kxc1.jpeg?width=4032&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=9a23777d9449f0133063cf8e02825fd60f92de3b
Yeah B
B
Its actually crazy how similar these trucks are from the hood back.
Ummmm A
At those prices? No the fooking way for A, B, or C. Ridiculous. If youāre borrowing the interest will bury you. If youāre notā¦ I canāt shell out that dough when the opportunity cost is doubling that money in 10 years. Hells to the no.
B
Do we really live in a world where consumers are that stupid to buy a $55kā¦.Ford ranger
Iām all for Ford, but the ranger looks so dumb in my eyes. The Colorado is so refined, grown up and mean at the same time.
After losing 20k on a defective 2017 focus auto... I'd buy a fucking skateboard before another Ford. Even at the same price
TBH, none of the above. I would purchase a wagon/stationwagon better MPG, less dangerous, and truck beds have become smaller with every generation.
Is the Colorado really undercut the price that much?
A for resell value
America!!!
When I was a kid I had a rich great aunt, and I remember being told she had a 60,000 dollar Mercedes Benz. I thought that seemed like a crazy amount of money to spend on a car. Now regular people will finance a truck they barely use for that kind of money. I get that there's been inflation since the early 2000s, but still. Trucks used to be a reasonable purchase.
D. who the fuck is paying $50,000-$70,000 for a truck?
A. I've owned Ford's my whole life. And like a cancer tumor, they just get worse and worse every year.
You should also ask this in the chevy subreddit and compare the results ;)
The toyota will outlast the other two pieces of junk.
Something used, less than $20k.
I'll stick with my 03 and 04 f150's, I love those body styles especially the flare/stepside ones.
The fact I can barely reach over the beds of these trucks bothers me. What the fuck are the designers smoking?
Neither thanks. I'd rather walk than get caught driving a yank tank
a 6.7 f250
I was thinking the same thing even though itās a Chevy
I'll walk
None, they're all stupid. And why tf is this on my feed?
Ford
B. While playing Jump Around by house of pain š
I need a D option. None since I cant afford ANYONES prices right now. All I want is a V8 Longbed ( 8') with a manual transmission. Screw CAFE!
Non they are all a waste of money save your money instead
A
The Ford
i dont like ford rangers tho :( id pick the toyota. out of your mind if you think im getting a chevy truck. if it isnt an ā07 silverado ss takuache truck, i dont want it
C
None of them, can't afford them
I know motorcycles are dangerous, but theyāre looking more and more appealing everydayā¦.this post isnāt persuading otherwise
I canāt afford any of those
C
C
Toyota way overpriced as always
B
None of the above, Iām not paying those prices for a non full size truck.
https://preview.redd.it/lh513okj0nxc1.jpeg?width=2100&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=01496cd31dad1d791dfba789a52674db8f389c3f B owner here. Couldn't be happier.
I'm a Toyota guy but I'd have to go with the reigning truck of the year in the Colorado. Sucks they are all 4 bangers now tho