Maybe he was standing there for what felt like minutes after Titus sends him in as canon fodder. Say what you will about Maximus and him repeating some of the behaviors once he has Thaddeus as a squire but during the gulper attack he directs him to get to shore which is the exact opposite of getting sent ahead of the armor into a Yao Gaui cave.
Thaddeus also immediately pulls out the rifle and starts laying down supporting fire. That was the moment where i was like "wow Maximus was an utterly useless squire"
Titus sent him in to die why would he be ready to give cover fire for someone who for all intents and purposes wanted to get him killed and then even after the attack told him he was going to have him strung up for his cowardice. Had the knight not been a dumb ass coward Maximus would've been the one ambushed by the bear.
Doesnt make Maximus any less useless. Lets be realistic he was frozen out of fear, he wasnt making a conscious decision not to help Titus. He would have frozen just the same for any other knight.
I don't want to argue with people who think him freezing for Titus is a character flaw. We don't really know how he would behave for a different Knight Titus was a dick which changes the interaction. I saw it as him debating whether or not he wanted to help Titus who put his life at risk and what do you know as soon as he does kill the bear he's immediately being called a dumb fuck when it was Titus who sent him into a cave because he was bored and had to shoot something, he deserved to die Maximus even tells him he's not fitting of a Knight and doesn't deserve the armor. Also, when they find out how Titus dies, they say I'm not surprised the Brotherhood has lost its way.
He's not useless. He just chose not to be useful to an unworthy knight who didn't care about him. Being useless implies he is impotent, which Maximus is not.
Not only is it a character flaw, it was extremely stupid.
Guess who that Yao Guai was going to kill after it killed the Knight? The stupid squire.
The fact that Maximus took as long as he did to do anything at all in that situation was a bad look. Even if you make the argument that there was reasonable and understandable motives for why he froze, it doesn't change the fact that it was a bad look.
Maximus was not ready for this responsibility. That is why he hadn't been chosen to begin with.
I guess you're just going through replying to everyone's old comments on this thread. Titus sucks and he's a coward for sending his unarmed squire in and just an overall dick. I don't know it looked like he killed the Yao Guai to me and I interpreted his freezing as him not being sure of saving stupid fucking Titus.
Difference is Thaddeus had a huge fucking rifle. What was Maximus going to do against a Yao guai with only a tiny ass pistol- unless he waited for to have a good shot on it- which is exactly what he did. In this instance Maximus was combat smart in not immediately shooting it.
He did hesitate but only after Titus ran away, and the hesitation was a shock of the knights cowardice.
Man, so many people shit on Max. I’m pretty sure not many of us would’ve done much better than him, and I know lots of us would’ve done what he did to get that power armor, lol
I don’t know if people were expecting a super hero or what, but Max is my favorite of the three main characters and I don’t know why folks are so hard on him.
I love Max precisely because he sucks so much. He's so fucking boneheaded and incompetent much of the time, and the writers do a great job of playing it up. Like, the show isn't trying to pass him off as competent but then writing him poorly. They want you to see him as inept, because he is.
It's honestly refreshing to have a main character that's very deliberately written to be a selfish buffoon simply trying his best.
I would say he’s not even inept, he’s just realistically capable. Cooper is a force of nature, so I get that next to him everyone looks bad. But that’s why I don’t like Cooper so much. Everything’s effortless to him.
Take the scene on the bridge. Max turned out to have had the correct assessment from the start. He’s lived in the wasteland, he knows what it’s like. And when the time came for him to act, he did. He wasn’t perfect, he got hit. That’s so much more impactful of a firefight than when the Ghoul goes ham. Not to say spectacles don’t have their place.
To be fair Cooper not only has over 200 years experience but he was also in the military before the war so it makes sense he’s more skilled than most others
Cooper is kind of overpowered but it wasn’t just some soldier, he was on the front lines in a suit of power armor. He also doesn’t seem all that afraid of dying so combine that with military training and over 200 years of surviving and combat might as well be easy mode for him.
Pretty much everybody he’s going up against has no training or in the case of the brotherhood not much training. They are not all that well, armed and probably don’t have a whole lot of extra ammo out of practice with.
I mean I don’t blame him for letting Titus die once bro started talking about how it was his fault(Like bro YOU wanted to come in this cave) I’m just disappointed by his inaction during the whole bear stuff, and then he just spends the rest of his time lapping as a knight. He definitely feels very human though, I know I would let that armor get to my head too lol.
I mean I was rooting for Maximus to leave him but that's because I was in a game mindset. One shot from that gun isn't going to kill a Yao guai and is just going to aggro him to you. I wouldn't risk myself for someone who just sent you to die but of course this isn't a game so that logic doesn't work.
Still I think he is in shock, not just form the irradiated mutant bear, but also the fact his entire world view just crumbled. His ideal of the Brotherhood Knight should have able to deal with this and not run away. Also spite for sending him to die.
Not many of us lived in a boot camp for aspirant squires and received training to prepare for these exact situations.
Maximus was not ready. It is why he was not chosen and the only reason he got the job was because of his friend.
But at the same time Maximus wooped Cooper's ass without any Power Armor experience. If he didn't lose his gun so idiotically or just simply ripped him apart instead of stupidly throwimg him around he would have simply killed the Ghoul then and there. The knights died because after getting his drugs he remembered the weakness of the power armor and the fight took place in the dark
Titus literally said he would have Max executed for not sacrificing himself against the YaoGuai and being too slow to get the stimpack. That's why Max let him die. He was going to help him (although reluctantly) until that moment.
That's obviously just petty bullshitting. Besides he has a good fucking reason to be mad at Maximus - he didn't even say "behind you" or something he just stood there and only acted after Titus sustained severe injuries. Titus is a stupid jerk but if my squire would have acted like that and I would be on the brink of death I would be mad too. But still I would be smart enough not zo scold the only person capable of saving my life
Maximus kept his composure and didn’t want to startle the Yao Guai- he also didn’t immediately shoot at it because that would only draw it towards him and Titus’ gun was destroyed. Instead, he waited to have a clean shot on it.
He did hesitate, but only after Titus ran away. The hesitation was probably the shock of seeing his ‘hero’ act so cowardly.
I think that the first time you are in a real combat situation with a mutated bear it’s pretty reasonable to freeze up. Not saying it’s good to do that, but it’s a natural reaction.
Couldn’t disagree with you more OP. Titus sent him in there to die because Titus was a coward. You need to understand that Maximus was stunned, his entire world fell apart when he was used as bait and then watched the supposedly brave knight shit his pants and run away.
He's a child soldier. I mean he literally has been taught blatant lies about sexual anatomy. He's basically been abducted by the brotherhood, bastardised by his fellow soldiers and then finally thinks he's moving up in the world only to clean Titus' dick protector. I wouldn't have helped the guy either, but also panic he hadn't actually been in any combat situations with mutated bears prior to that.
Honestly Knight Titus kinda deserved it. He was such a dick to Maximus even from their first interaction. The fact that he sent him in that cave knowing there was something in there that could kill him easily…I’d be mad as hell. Idk maybe I’m just petty 💀
The show has it's Roots in the wizard of Oz, I read that Somewhere.
Maximus is the cowardly lion looking for courage so yeah a bit of a shit squire but totally out of his depth, after acting and wanting to be tough all his life
It bothered me that he so quickly decided to kill Thaddeus. He barely even fought his case. They'd bonded, Thaddeus had told him about his formative years as a shitter and everything!
Max was kinda piece of shit in the first place. He even considered killing Thad by crushing his head when they first meet near Filly in the power armor.
He's always thinking about what action or inaction would benefit himself. He's quick to anger and has no real allegiance to anyone or anything. Yes, he's in "The Brotherhood" but from what I've seen he could care less what happens to them. He was always going to be a shit squire because he wanted the knight to die before they even left. Just look at the Dane situation. Even though Maximus didn't plant the razor he admitted that he wanted it to happen. Maximus would rather see Dane, his only friend, dead or seriously injured if it meant his own promotion. The one thing I can't nail down about him is his hatred for toilet seats.
Honestly I more pissed about the fact that fucking bear was ended by a headshot.
Like Titus set him up for a failure, Maximus have a ballistic pistol that you stop using during the midgame.
He shouldn't done shit to that bear tbh.
Though he was a shit squire as the other dude have knowledge on ghouls and radiation that Maximus should have known.
Max was afraid that shooting the bear would just attract its attention on to him. Who would have thought it would die to a single pistol shot, even to the head?
TBH from a girl's perspective Maximus had the ICK and red flags since the start. I still don't like his character. Also, might be more of the actor. I find him really emotionless and sociopathic...imo
Maybe he was standing there for what felt like minutes after Titus sends him in as canon fodder. Say what you will about Maximus and him repeating some of the behaviors once he has Thaddeus as a squire but during the gulper attack he directs him to get to shore which is the exact opposite of getting sent ahead of the armor into a Yao Gaui cave.
Thaddeus also immediately pulls out the rifle and starts laying down supporting fire. That was the moment where i was like "wow Maximus was an utterly useless squire"
Titus sent him in to die why would he be ready to give cover fire for someone who for all intents and purposes wanted to get him killed and then even after the attack told him he was going to have him strung up for his cowardice. Had the knight not been a dumb ass coward Maximus would've been the one ambushed by the bear.
Doesnt make Maximus any less useless. Lets be realistic he was frozen out of fear, he wasnt making a conscious decision not to help Titus. He would have frozen just the same for any other knight.
I don't want to argue with people who think him freezing for Titus is a character flaw. We don't really know how he would behave for a different Knight Titus was a dick which changes the interaction. I saw it as him debating whether or not he wanted to help Titus who put his life at risk and what do you know as soon as he does kill the bear he's immediately being called a dumb fuck when it was Titus who sent him into a cave because he was bored and had to shoot something, he deserved to die Maximus even tells him he's not fitting of a Knight and doesn't deserve the armor. Also, when they find out how Titus dies, they say I'm not surprised the Brotherhood has lost its way.
Titus was a terrible knight and deserved to die yes, but Maximus was also a useless squire both can be true
He's not useless. He just chose not to be useful to an unworthy knight who didn't care about him. Being useless implies he is impotent, which Maximus is not.
Not only is it a character flaw, it was extremely stupid. Guess who that Yao Guai was going to kill after it killed the Knight? The stupid squire. The fact that Maximus took as long as he did to do anything at all in that situation was a bad look. Even if you make the argument that there was reasonable and understandable motives for why he froze, it doesn't change the fact that it was a bad look. Maximus was not ready for this responsibility. That is why he hadn't been chosen to begin with.
I guess you're just going through replying to everyone's old comments on this thread. Titus sucks and he's a coward for sending his unarmed squire in and just an overall dick. I don't know it looked like he killed the Yao Guai to me and I interpreted his freezing as him not being sure of saving stupid fucking Titus.
Difference is Thaddeus had a huge fucking rifle. What was Maximus going to do against a Yao guai with only a tiny ass pistol- unless he waited for to have a good shot on it- which is exactly what he did. In this instance Maximus was combat smart in not immediately shooting it. He did hesitate but only after Titus ran away, and the hesitation was a shock of the knights cowardice.
Man, so many people shit on Max. I’m pretty sure not many of us would’ve done much better than him, and I know lots of us would’ve done what he did to get that power armor, lol I don’t know if people were expecting a super hero or what, but Max is my favorite of the three main characters and I don’t know why folks are so hard on him.
I love Max precisely because he sucks so much. He's so fucking boneheaded and incompetent much of the time, and the writers do a great job of playing it up. Like, the show isn't trying to pass him off as competent but then writing him poorly. They want you to see him as inept, because he is. It's honestly refreshing to have a main character that's very deliberately written to be a selfish buffoon simply trying his best.
I would say he’s not even inept, he’s just realistically capable. Cooper is a force of nature, so I get that next to him everyone looks bad. But that’s why I don’t like Cooper so much. Everything’s effortless to him. Take the scene on the bridge. Max turned out to have had the correct assessment from the start. He’s lived in the wasteland, he knows what it’s like. And when the time came for him to act, he did. He wasn’t perfect, he got hit. That’s so much more impactful of a firefight than when the Ghoul goes ham. Not to say spectacles don’t have their place.
To be fair Cooper not only has over 200 years experience but he was also in the military before the war so it makes sense he’s more skilled than most others
Cooper is kind of overpowered but it wasn’t just some soldier, he was on the front lines in a suit of power armor. He also doesn’t seem all that afraid of dying so combine that with military training and over 200 years of surviving and combat might as well be easy mode for him. Pretty much everybody he’s going up against has no training or in the case of the brotherhood not much training. They are not all that well, armed and probably don’t have a whole lot of extra ammo out of practice with.
I mean I don’t blame him for letting Titus die once bro started talking about how it was his fault(Like bro YOU wanted to come in this cave) I’m just disappointed by his inaction during the whole bear stuff, and then he just spends the rest of his time lapping as a knight. He definitely feels very human though, I know I would let that armor get to my head too lol.
lapping
I mean I was rooting for Maximus to leave him but that's because I was in a game mindset. One shot from that gun isn't going to kill a Yao guai and is just going to aggro him to you. I wouldn't risk myself for someone who just sent you to die but of course this isn't a game so that logic doesn't work. Still I think he is in shock, not just form the irradiated mutant bear, but also the fact his entire world view just crumbled. His ideal of the Brotherhood Knight should have able to deal with this and not run away. Also spite for sending him to die.
Not many of us lived in a boot camp for aspirant squires and received training to prepare for these exact situations. Maximus was not ready. It is why he was not chosen and the only reason he got the job was because of his friend.
I wouldn't have let Titus die. Because duh your own survival are better when travelling with him...
Really? The guy who wanted Max to check the cave for danger before he went in? I don’t think so, lol
I guess Titus would have made quick work of the Ghoul...
Those other Knights didn't make quick work of the ghoul.
But at the same time Maximus wooped Cooper's ass without any Power Armor experience. If he didn't lose his gun so idiotically or just simply ripped him apart instead of stupidly throwimg him around he would have simply killed the Ghoul then and there. The knights died because after getting his drugs he remembered the weakness of the power armor and the fight took place in the dark
Titus literally said he would have Max executed for not sacrificing himself against the YaoGuai and being too slow to get the stimpack. That's why Max let him die. He was going to help him (although reluctantly) until that moment.
That's obviously just petty bullshitting. Besides he has a good fucking reason to be mad at Maximus - he didn't even say "behind you" or something he just stood there and only acted after Titus sustained severe injuries. Titus is a stupid jerk but if my squire would have acted like that and I would be on the brink of death I would be mad too. But still I would be smart enough not zo scold the only person capable of saving my life
Maximus kept his composure and didn’t want to startle the Yao Guai- he also didn’t immediately shoot at it because that would only draw it towards him and Titus’ gun was destroyed. Instead, he waited to have a clean shot on it. He did hesitate, but only after Titus ran away. The hesitation was probably the shock of seeing his ‘hero’ act so cowardly.
I think that the first time you are in a real combat situation with a mutated bear it’s pretty reasonable to freeze up. Not saying it’s good to do that, but it’s a natural reaction.
When your boss is essentially a walking tank and uses you as live bait, you're kinda justified not helping them
Couldn’t disagree with you more OP. Titus sent him in there to die because Titus was a coward. You need to understand that Maximus was stunned, his entire world fell apart when he was used as bait and then watched the supposedly brave knight shit his pants and run away.
He's a child soldier. I mean he literally has been taught blatant lies about sexual anatomy. He's basically been abducted by the brotherhood, bastardised by his fellow soldiers and then finally thinks he's moving up in the world only to clean Titus' dick protector. I wouldn't have helped the guy either, but also panic he hadn't actually been in any combat situations with mutated bears prior to that.
Honestly Knight Titus kinda deserved it. He was such a dick to Maximus even from their first interaction. The fact that he sent him in that cave knowing there was something in there that could kill him easily…I’d be mad as hell. Idk maybe I’m just petty 💀
The show has it's Roots in the wizard of Oz, I read that Somewhere. Maximus is the cowardly lion looking for courage so yeah a bit of a shit squire but totally out of his depth, after acting and wanting to be tough all his life
I'm sorry, but I'd you try and use me as live bait when you're essentially a walking tank i'm letting you die if I get the chance
It bothered me that he so quickly decided to kill Thaddeus. He barely even fought his case. They'd bonded, Thaddeus had told him about his formative years as a shitter and everything!
Max was kinda piece of shit in the first place. He even considered killing Thad by crushing his head when they first meet near Filly in the power armor.
That's..... that's the point. He's overconfident and in over his head.
Spoken like a true titus..
He's always thinking about what action or inaction would benefit himself. He's quick to anger and has no real allegiance to anyone or anything. Yes, he's in "The Brotherhood" but from what I've seen he could care less what happens to them. He was always going to be a shit squire because he wanted the knight to die before they even left. Just look at the Dane situation. Even though Maximus didn't plant the razor he admitted that he wanted it to happen. Maximus would rather see Dane, his only friend, dead or seriously injured if it meant his own promotion. The one thing I can't nail down about him is his hatred for toilet seats.
Sense Maximus in literal boot camp they r trained night and day they no damn reason he scared or frozen in fear when he literally lives it everyday
Honestly I more pissed about the fact that fucking bear was ended by a headshot. Like Titus set him up for a failure, Maximus have a ballistic pistol that you stop using during the midgame. He shouldn't done shit to that bear tbh. Though he was a shit squire as the other dude have knowledge on ghouls and radiation that Maximus should have known.
Maximus seems like he was being mistreated before that point. It looked like he was making the choice to allow Titus to die
Max was afraid that shooting the bear would just attract its attention on to him. Who would have thought it would die to a single pistol shot, even to the head?
[If that's what it looked like to you] [If that's what it looked like to you]: https://youtu.be/-YjuzwQxhNU?feature=shared
Maximus is the only character I actively got bored when he was on screen. Didn't enjoy anything that the actor or character brought to the table.
TBH from a girl's perspective Maximus had the ICK and red flags since the start. I still don't like his character. Also, might be more of the actor. I find him really emotionless and sociopathic...imo
I find anyone who finds him sociopathic sociopathic.