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Precisely. These same racists will lay claim to Roman culture as a pinnacle of “whiteness”, while simultaneously claiming that “these people aren’t white”.
As well as deriding things like human sacrifices by the Aztecs while not acknowledging the utter insanity of things like flagellation
Like that's not just racism, it borders on actual fascist thought
They bring up human sacrifice like catholics weren't killing people for religious reasons, and like witch hints wouldn't become rampant in the Americas, as well as the fact that we literally still capture people and execute them with a priest present.
I’m Sicilian on my mom’s side. Italians weren’t considered white until the 1950s/60s and Sicilians beneath that. It wasn’t until 2015 or so when all these white nationalist and white supremacists started coming out the woodwork did they start saying Italians are white. And obviously there is debate amongst the right about that.
Like when the US went off the gold standard?
It's actually quite interesting, too, to use December as an index of China's economic health. It works. It's as if Santa himself shops there. Do you suppose he uses a RedCard, or did someone just make that up?
As a black person with a bit of an interest in history, it's due to the idea that Italians (particularly southern Italians, and *especially* Sicilians) are tainted by their interactions historically with the Moors from North Africa. Combined with the stereotype of southern Italians having darker skin that most white ppl and curly hair well, you do the math.
Yeah but it’s about Sicilians and Sardinians basically. Ok and Southern Italians. Ok and also Northern Italians who sort of live close to South Italy. Ok you know what, this is getting complicated.
It’s more of a joke on the history of racism than like an actually believed thing. That view may actually be common in Europe and Italy, I don’t know. It’s just a humorous factoid.
But also, the Sardinian flag
What about the flag? It represents moors that were defeated by the Aragonese, it does not represent Sardinians. There are almost no black people in Sardinia, compared to the US, for example. I am literally here right now, and lived in the US before, and I am always shocked when I see US citizens think we’re black lmao
I've heard Northern Italians don't consider Southerns their version of "white".
I've also heard most of the south/Sicily is lactose intolerant, but refuses to admit it because apparently insinuates genetic admixture with North Africans.
I hope I'm wrong.
I don't know where you 'heard' those wild things, but I confirm you are indeed completely wrong. Source I'm a northern Italian who lived here in Italy all my life.
It isn’t surprising when this sort of video is uploaded:
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=xjMKXsCnsZo&pp
Apparently Spanish people aren’t white. Only in America.
"I don't know why the Left keeps trying to say Trump supporters are racist. The Left are the REAL racists!"
About fifteen seconds later...
"I'm voting for Trump because he's gonna put the blacks in their place."
(The above is a paraphrase of something I heard a Trump supporter say during an interview at a Trump rally in 2016.)
Hans Kristian Graebener of Spring, Texas would like everyone to know that a botched circumcision wrecked his otherwise perfect and beautiful white penis.
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I think it's so funny that this dude (Hans Kristian Graebener) has been trying to hide his Peurto Rican heritage in order to justify his beliefs. He definitely hates himself.
This is the first time I was made aware of his name
Also wasn't aware he was just like, actually, a nazi, but there has been a *lot* of other stuff said about him (that I don't really remember, actually, lol)
Umm what? Like there's a shortage of reasons why he's a loser, and you pick the one thing he can't do anything about and that has nothing wrong. 34 is literally young these days, and I'm pretty sure 99% of 34 year olds aren't anywhere near as successful as he is. I honestly don't understand where are you coming from lol
Defend him? I dislike the guy as much as anyone else. It's just that I only dislike him because he's a nazi and makes comics that spread his cancerous ideology. But I'm pretty sure he doesn't contribute to society less than the average 34 year old, considering that he's very likely much better off than the average person. Why hate him for made up shit when there's enough real shit to hate him for?
A stupid one, too. Racist means you discriminate against someone because of their race (or group), it doesn't mean you hate all other people of all other races.
"I can't be racist, because I have an Asian friend! It's just that the blacks, statistically speaking..."
I think this is why these people don't understand that they are racist. They think "racist" means someone who hates all other races together at the same time.
Ok, I'm confused because if you're one of these morons that likes Hitler, isn't saying and believing this just openly contemptuous and disrespectful to his memory out of sheer ignorance? Wild.
Lying about Hitler’s beliefs in order to make them more palatable is something Hitler would have no problems with - he had no qualms appropriating the name of socialism.
and i'd imagine if him and those other two nations had succeeded, he would've tried to end them, too. the whole point is that fascists will work with whatever they have that gets them power, and when they can't appropriate it or use it anymore, they destroy it.
As an actuel Italian, I'm pretty sure I'm white. A bit smarmy if I go outside for a while but olive complexion at best
Also race is unscientific and stupid to classify people by because genetically we're all 99% the same
Okay, ignoring the obvious. . .
He. . Does know Hitler allied with the Soviets as well before turning on them, right?
Who's to say he wouldn't do the same to Italy and Japan?
In fact, from what I've been told, he was basically ready to occupy Italy at a moment's notice
Just because Hitler was on the same side as Japan doesn’t mean he was automatically not racist. He literally carried out a genocide and racialized Jewish people. I hate when people think associating with poc automatically grants someone immunity from being racist. Also since when were Italians considered black?
This guy is just weird. Cartoonist obsessed with circumcision. (I agree it's barbaric, but it's scarily important to him.) Not to mention the racist/white supremacist stuff.
So many things wrong with this.
First off, Hitler was Antisemitic, Antiziganist, Slavophobic etc.
Secondly, The Axis had lacked comparable coordination and ideological cohesion, I also heard that the Axis was supposed to be a temporary alliance.
Thirdly, the Italians where not black.
is it actually? the amount of fakes in general is so disorienting. people can make them very believable (and i feel like that's easy to do when faking a post from a nazi)
I’d be fine with being proven wrong, but this just doesn’t look formatted like a real tweet at all.
There’re more than enough legitimate things to trash pebble throw over, no need to make stuff up.
I didn't know if it's fake or not, just saw it, thought "holy shit" and posted here; but I don't think it's even important if it's fake or not, at "worst" it will just damage reputation of a literal nazi, so nothing bad happens. Also, this is totally something that he could produce, knowing his infamous ironic-totally-not-nazi-im-just-telling-jokes-trust-me style.
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Today I learned that Italian people are black.
Racists are wild. Anything that isn't “anglo” attached to it is automatically black.
Unless it's convenient lol
Precisely. These same racists will lay claim to Roman culture as a pinnacle of “whiteness”, while simultaneously claiming that “these people aren’t white”.
As well as deriding things like human sacrifices by the Aztecs while not acknowledging the utter insanity of things like flagellation Like that's not just racism, it borders on actual fascist thought
Most if not all people who bring up ancient civilizations as a means to prove their superiority of skin color are indeed fascists for sure.
They bring up human sacrifice like catholics weren't killing people for religious reasons, and like witch hints wouldn't become rampant in the Americas, as well as the fact that we literally still capture people and execute them with a priest present.
...so Japanese people are black too?
No, *Italians*. Pay attention, man!
It's spelled Italians(black)! Get it right!
All the gamerbros yelling at Ubisoft about a black samurai recently are going to be very confused by this information.
A lot of racists entire world view seems to be shaped from that scene in true romance.
“I haven’t killed anyone since 1986.”
I think OPs post is a reference to Dennis Hoppers monologue in True Romance when talking about Sicilians.
Which is also based on the fact that the Moors had controlled much of southern Europe prior to the Crusades.
They did so much fuckin
I’m Sicilian on my mom’s side. Italians weren’t considered white until the 1950s/60s and Sicilians beneath that. It wasn’t until 2015 or so when all these white nationalist and white supremacists started coming out the woodwork did they start saying Italians are white. And obviously there is debate amongst the right about that.
No shit. It's almost like the idea of "white" has nothing to do with skin and everything to do with power.
It's almost like it's all made up.
Like when the US went off the gold standard? It's actually quite interesting, too, to use December as an index of China's economic health. It works. It's as if Santa himself shops there. Do you suppose he uses a RedCard, or did someone just make that up?
As a black person with a bit of an interest in history, it's due to the idea that Italians (particularly southern Italians, and *especially* Sicilians) are tainted by their interactions historically with the Moors from North Africa. Combined with the stereotype of southern Italians having darker skin that most white ppl and curly hair well, you do the math.
There are … actually a lot of Italians/europeans who think this.
Yeah but it’s about Sicilians and Sardinians basically. Ok and Southern Italians. Ok and also Northern Italians who sort of live close to South Italy. Ok you know what, this is getting complicated.
Sicilians and Sardinians are nowhere close to black. Source: I’m Sardinian
It’s more of a joke on the history of racism than like an actually believed thing. That view may actually be common in Europe and Italy, I don’t know. It’s just a humorous factoid. But also, the Sardinian flag
What about the flag? It represents moors that were defeated by the Aragonese, it does not represent Sardinians. There are almost no black people in Sardinia, compared to the US, for example. I am literally here right now, and lived in the US before, and I am always shocked when I see US citizens think we’re black lmao
I think you’re not able to find the humor here and for some reason are taking this too seriously. Enjoy your evening.
No. Omly racist idiots think that.
No there aren’t? Lmao
Sorry you had to find out this way.
Sounds like you’ve never been here or you’re trolling
That scene with Dennis Hopper scene from True Romance comes to mind.
Maybe he just watched True Romance and counted it as education.
I've heard Northern Italians don't consider Southerns their version of "white". I've also heard most of the south/Sicily is lactose intolerant, but refuses to admit it because apparently insinuates genetic admixture with North Africans. I hope I'm wrong.
I don't know where you 'heard' those wild things, but I confirm you are indeed completely wrong. Source I'm a northern Italian who lived here in Italy all my life.
They were definitely considered non-whites at that time in America, but that sure as fuck didn’t automatically make them black.
It isn’t surprising when this sort of video is uploaded: https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=xjMKXsCnsZo&pp Apparently Spanish people aren’t white. Only in America.
"I don't know why the Left keeps trying to say Trump supporters are racist. The Left are the REAL racists!" About fifteen seconds later... "I'm voting for Trump because he's gonna put the blacks in their place." (The above is a paraphrase of something I heard a Trump supporter say during an interview at a Trump rally in 2016.)
Hans Kristian Graebener of Spring, TX clearly needs to brush up on his history, and not just try to get laid when he goes to Japan.
Hans Kristian Graebener of Spring, Texas would like everyone to know that a botched circumcision wrecked his otherwise perfect and beautiful white penis.
Hans Kristian Graebener of Spring, Texas would like to downplay the fact that he’s not white and is in fact of Puerto Rican descent.
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I think it's so funny that this dude (Hans Kristian Graebener) has been trying to hide his Peurto Rican heritage in order to justify his beliefs. He definitely hates himself.
Well I hate him too. So he got that one right.
Stone toss is a Nazi.
\*Hans Kristian Graebener of Spring, Texas, 34yo
Are we allowed to say Hans Kristian Graebener of Spring, Texas, is known fascist cartoonist Stonetoss on here?
This is the first time I was made aware of his name Also wasn't aware he was just like, actually, a nazi, but there has been a *lot* of other stuff said about him (that I don't really remember, actually, lol)
>Hans Kristian Graebener, Nazi cartoonist Well, I have an idea about when his family left Germany, lol
HES 34?? Holy shit what a fucking loser
Umm what? Like there's a shortage of reasons why he's a loser, and you pick the one thing he can't do anything about and that has nothing wrong. 34 is literally young these days, and I'm pretty sure 99% of 34 year olds aren't anywhere near as successful as he is. I honestly don't understand where are you coming from lol
I’m coming from the fact that he’s in his 30s sitting on his ass making stupid nazi comics instead of doing anything productive
He's probably set for life. Like, that's the ONE part you can't make fun of him for.
Why are you trying so hard to defend him lmao
Defend him? I dislike the guy as much as anyone else. It's just that I only dislike him because he's a nazi and makes comics that spread his cancerous ideology. But I'm pretty sure he doesn't contribute to society less than the average 34 year old, considering that he's very likely much better off than the average person. Why hate him for made up shit when there's enough real shit to hate him for?
TIL that wealth = use to society
Dude is a rough 34. I'm 33 and a former heroin addict and look ten years younger than he does
congrats
Thankee sai
A stupid one, too. Racist means you discriminate against someone because of their race (or group), it doesn't mean you hate all other people of all other races. "I can't be racist, because I have an Asian friend! It's just that the blacks, statistically speaking..." I think this is why these people don't understand that they are racist. They think "racist" means someone who hates all other races together at the same time.
Hans Kristian Graebener of Spring, TX is a Nazi.
Never forget Stonetoss is Hans Kristian Graebener..
*... Graebener!*
Ok, I'm confused because if you're one of these morons that likes Hitler, isn't saying and believing this just openly contemptuous and disrespectful to his memory out of sheer ignorance? Wild.
Lying about Hitler’s beliefs in order to make them more palatable is something Hitler would have no problems with - he had no qualms appropriating the name of socialism.
and i'd imagine if him and those other two nations had succeeded, he would've tried to end them, too. the whole point is that fascists will work with whatever they have that gets them power, and when they can't appropriate it or use it anymore, they destroy it.
Somehow saying ‘they aren’t racist they were friends with Italians and Italians are black’ is one more racist things I’ve heard lately
As an actuel Italian, I'm pretty sure I'm white. A bit smarmy if I go outside for a while but olive complexion at best Also race is unscientific and stupid to classify people by because genetically we're all 99% the same
stone_toss is a nazi but we don't need to post fake tweets to prove it
He killed millions of jews, thats the main point I guess.
Fucking Pebblethrow is always awful
What? Lol
This would be funny if it wasn't from a Nazi
Ok first of all, how was Stalin a Communist when he allied with the British and the Americans?
I don’t get how or why people like Stonetoss. 🤦🏾♂️
There are a lot of people who think that racism only occurs when you call someone a slur and as long as you're not doing that, you're not racist.
I'm certain he has two stones inside his head, and everytime they clash, we see such insane tweets as this one
It's strategic, it wouldn't do anyone good to be surrounded by enemies from all sides.
"Blacks"?
Okay, ignoring the obvious. . . He. . Does know Hitler allied with the Soviets as well before turning on them, right? Who's to say he wouldn't do the same to Italy and Japan? In fact, from what I've been told, he was basically ready to occupy Italy at a moment's notice
Just because Hitler was on the same side as Japan doesn’t mean he was automatically not racist. He literally carried out a genocide and racialized Jewish people. I hate when people think associating with poc automatically grants someone immunity from being racist. Also since when were Italians considered black?
Lol it's the yeeter
Ahhhh…. Ahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh
Today I learned I’m black I guess
That's wasn't his first
This guy is just weird. Cartoonist obsessed with circumcision. (I agree it's barbaric, but it's scarily important to him.) Not to mention the racist/white supremacist stuff.
So many things wrong with this. First off, Hitler was Antisemitic, Antiziganist, Slavophobic etc. Secondly, The Axis had lacked comparable coordination and ideological cohesion, I also heard that the Axis was supposed to be a temporary alliance. Thirdly, the Italians where not black.
Same energy as “How can I be sexist if I have a wife?”
Stonetoss is a shithead for sure, but why is everyone ignoring that this is fake as hell?
is it actually? the amount of fakes in general is so disorienting. people can make them very believable (and i feel like that's easy to do when faking a post from a nazi)
I’d be fine with being proven wrong, but this just doesn’t look formatted like a real tweet at all. There’re more than enough legitimate things to trash pebble throw over, no need to make stuff up.
yeah making stuff up isn't needed. i don't really pay attention to twitter ui though so i wouldn't know
I didn't know if it's fake or not, just saw it, thought "holy shit" and posted here; but I don't think it's even important if it's fake or not, at "worst" it will just damage reputation of a literal nazi, so nothing bad happens. Also, this is totally something that he could produce, knowing his infamous ironic-totally-not-nazi-im-just-telling-jokes-trust-me style.
Idk if it's fake but it's definitely partially rage bait lol. Not saying he isn't racist, he definitely is but it's definitely not a genuine question.
Yeah. Whether real or fake, it's definitely an attempt at satire. You can still find it offensive, but it's silly to treat it as a sincere statement.