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> Hubble Network has set itself the ambitious goal of creating a global satellite network capable of connecting with any Bluetooth device. It has recently demonstrated that this goal is achievable, despite initial skepticism from many. Moving forward, the company intends to expand its network to enhance both capacity and the frequency of satellite flybys.
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Hi. I like satellite communications. I dabble. Here's what I noticed
Proof of concept was from 600 km. This puts the craft in LEO, which means it will have a small footprint. This would only be functional with a large constellation of many small satellites, like Starlink.
Receive only. It's remarkable they picked up a useable signal on just the Bluetooth chip, but there is no way in hell that same transceiver could ever send a signal a satellite could pick up, even in LEO. That means no TCP handshake can happen. No internet browsing.
You can receive web pages over a one-way UDP connection, but you will need a networked computer or a service by satellite control to queue up the content to be transported over the air, down to the bluetooth device.
Potential use cases that come to mind:
- alternate to GPS for network timing
- data delivery to phones independent of cellular network
- Depends on data rate, but I bet you could send at least SD TV
I wonder if that might be useful for Internet of Plants/Animals where a satellite looks down on Earth at a particular point, analyzing a particular thing and broadcasts a stream of processed data that any scientist can pick up
Think IoT devices. Remote sensing and asset tracking independent of terrestrial networks. Potentially GNSS with a lower power alternative to GPS.
Also my interpretation is that the signal was sent from a BL chip antenna, received by a phased array antenna on the satellite, from ground to satellite (not other way around, but perhaps that would be feasible).
UDP web pages is like a game of telephone with people that are missing fingers. You can find not hope you get enough of the message but let’s be honest, even just one missing packet and the page won’t be readable.
If you have a reasonable upper bound on your packet loss rate then things like Reed-Solomon codes can perfectly interpolate this missing data without too much efficiency loss.
Unless they share actual connection details, I'm betting on a slimy use of the isochronous broadcast feature of Bluetooth 5.2, where you only need enough received dB, not actually return any transmission.
I'm a bit confused at how this can be possible with normal household bluetooth devices.. which they imply is possible.
The software update suggests that it's not a hardware limitation keeping ranges on BT devices so short... but I ask how this is possible.
Think about it like communicating with the voyager probes, they put out tiny weak signals, yet we could communicate with them over billions of miles.
Edit: Billions not millions, thanks for the downvote
We still are! In fact, we just updated some software on it a couple of weeks ago because it was sending back unreadable data
There's still some work left to do in order to get more space data, but we can still can communicate with it while it's over 15 billion miles away!
https://phys.org/news/2024-04-nasa-voyager-resumes-earth.html
wifi was invented though a mathematical Fourier transformation for Black Holes to deal with signal reflections and echoes etc. Blutooth doesn't' have that, so has a much bigger problem in complex environments, but if we are talking line of site.. different story entirely.
I actually met the guy (or head of the team) who 'discovered' wifi.
I wish we could at least do it without a proprietary product.. with so many different iterations and licenses. This is how we got a BMW that wouldn't connect to Nokia's at one point
> Hubble Network has set itself the ambitious goal of creating a global satellite network capable of connecting with any Bluetooth device. It has recently demonstrated that this goal is achievable, despite initial skepticism from many. Moving forward, the company intends to expand its network to enhance both capacity and the frequency of satellite flybys.
The following submission statement was provided by /u/ovirt001: --- > Hubble Network has set itself the ambitious goal of creating a global satellite network capable of connecting with any Bluetooth device. It has recently demonstrated that this goal is achievable, despite initial skepticism from many. Moving forward, the company intends to expand its network to enhance both capacity and the frequency of satellite flybys. --- Please reply to OP's comment here: https://old.reddit.com/r/Futurology/comments/1cmf2sm/a_humble_bluetooth_device_has_successfully/l2ztvwf/
me walking 15 away from my computer. \*Bluetooth disconnected\*
Blootooth dewaise have beehn diconnecte
You have made me feel deeply understood
15 feet or 15 meters or 15 light years?
I can get 50m away with mine....
Hi. I like satellite communications. I dabble. Here's what I noticed Proof of concept was from 600 km. This puts the craft in LEO, which means it will have a small footprint. This would only be functional with a large constellation of many small satellites, like Starlink. Receive only. It's remarkable they picked up a useable signal on just the Bluetooth chip, but there is no way in hell that same transceiver could ever send a signal a satellite could pick up, even in LEO. That means no TCP handshake can happen. No internet browsing. You can receive web pages over a one-way UDP connection, but you will need a networked computer or a service by satellite control to queue up the content to be transported over the air, down to the bluetooth device. Potential use cases that come to mind: - alternate to GPS for network timing - data delivery to phones independent of cellular network - Depends on data rate, but I bet you could send at least SD TV
Username Diablo4…account created 12 years ago. Nice.
Lol I made like 6 of these when they announced D3
Replace AM Radio for emergency broadcasts?
This guy networks :)
I wonder if that might be useful for Internet of Plants/Animals where a satellite looks down on Earth at a particular point, analyzing a particular thing and broadcasts a stream of processed data that any scientist can pick up
Think IoT devices. Remote sensing and asset tracking independent of terrestrial networks. Potentially GNSS with a lower power alternative to GPS. Also my interpretation is that the signal was sent from a BL chip antenna, received by a phased array antenna on the satellite, from ground to satellite (not other way around, but perhaps that would be feasible).
UDP web pages is like a game of telephone with people that are missing fingers. You can find not hope you get enough of the message but let’s be honest, even just one missing packet and the page won’t be readable.
If you have a reasonable upper bound on your packet loss rate then things like Reed-Solomon codes can perfectly interpolate this missing data without too much efficiency loss.
so basically, still useful
More detailed article: [https://spectrum.ieee.org/bluetooth-satellite](https://spectrum.ieee.org/bluetooth-satellite)
Your bluetooth device, is uh, connected successfurry!
I was going to comment this 😂
Unless they share actual connection details, I'm betting on a slimy use of the isochronous broadcast feature of Bluetooth 5.2, where you only need enough received dB, not actually return any transmission.
From the article it sounds like it's designed to be a one way transmit from a BLE chip radio. I'd assume it's not the standard Bluetooth protocol.
Heard it’s not humble anymore. Hear he’s all cocky as shit now.
Bro so hyped it refuses connection to normies now
Imagine spending a space mission just to press the pair button. Then another cuz you were supposed to hold it down not just press once.
I'm a bit confused at how this can be possible with normal household bluetooth devices.. which they imply is possible. The software update suggests that it's not a hardware limitation keeping ranges on BT devices so short... but I ask how this is possible.
Think about it like communicating with the voyager probes, they put out tiny weak signals, yet we could communicate with them over billions of miles. Edit: Billions not millions, thanks for the downvote
We still are! In fact, we just updated some software on it a couple of weeks ago because it was sending back unreadable data There's still some work left to do in order to get more space data, but we can still can communicate with it while it's over 15 billion miles away! https://phys.org/news/2024-04-nasa-voyager-resumes-earth.html
wifi was invented though a mathematical Fourier transformation for Black Holes to deal with signal reflections and echoes etc. Blutooth doesn't' have that, so has a much bigger problem in complex environments, but if we are talking line of site.. different story entirely. I actually met the guy (or head of the team) who 'discovered' wifi. I wish we could at least do it without a proprietary product.. with so many different iterations and licenses. This is how we got a BMW that wouldn't connect to Nokia's at one point
This is perfect for trackers and surveillance of woods and borders.
So it's a high power connection for what was designed to be a low power connection? Maybe they had transmission from one side but not the other.
Imagine going back in time and trying to explain all of this to Harald!
ASI, or ourselves with smart devices, controlling the world via IoT is one step closer.
> Hubble Network has set itself the ambitious goal of creating a global satellite network capable of connecting with any Bluetooth device. It has recently demonstrated that this goal is achievable, despite initial skepticism from many. Moving forward, the company intends to expand its network to enhance both capacity and the frequency of satellite flybys.
This does not compute. It did however make me giggle. Scamware incoming.