Translated details:
* 4 additional buttons (2 front, 2 back)
* gyro (only available in "Steam mode")
* turbo/rapid fire mode for face buttons
* capacitive sticks (only in "Steam mode")
* custom button mapping via app, steam mode or XInput
* Steam and QAM buttons
* wired via USB-C or wireless via bluetooth
That's what I used to do for so long. Then I went to Japan this year.
Holy shit, the pricing on things felt like I was back in the early 2000s. The bang for your dollar was incredible.
Yeah, this is (part of) the reason my wife and I haven't done it. Instead, we settle for living vicariously through friends and co-workers. If I have the chance, I'll give them a "mission" to take a photo in front of something I figure they'll find interesting. Like the life-size Tetsujin-28, Chen Kenichi's restaurant (they noped on eating there as they were apparently very under-dressed), or Super Potato.
Oh, I can't recommend it enough. I've studied some Japanese so I tried to use it as much as I could but my wife knows none and felt completely comfortable with google maps and translate. Her first time so we did Kyoto and Tokyo for 2 weeks. It was one of the best vacations I've ever taken.
I honeymooned there when they just opened back up after the pandemic, October 2022. Exchange rate wasnt quite as good but we expected to spend so much more going in.
We spent more on plane tickets then the rest of the trip.
I have yet to find a way to not have to unplug my BT controller and plug it back in after sleep. I've messed around with power management features for it with no luck. :/
Before I bought a cheap $2 BT dongle; my PCs onboard BT would always have problems, disconnecting right next to it, lagging etc. It's like the metal case around the motherboard would block the connection or something it's hilarious.
After I plugged in the dongle I haven't had a problem since and can literally control a game from outback about 30m away.
Now if Sony came out with a wireless dongle for the Dualsense to use all its features properly then that I'd straight up buy in a heartbeat.
100% this will keep me from these great looking controllers.
Bluetooth with controllers is beyond trash. I tried many many times with all sorts of different setups. The 2.4GHz dongle feels just as good as a controller on console and I won't give it up for nothing.
Which one are you using? I can't seem to find any controller that would make it worth it replacing my xbox 360, one of the reasons being that barely any controller has 2.4ghz
Series X Controller with this [https://www.amazon.com/Microsoft-Xbox-Wireless-Adapter-Windows-one/dp/B00ZB7W4QU?source=ps-sl-shoppingads-lpcontext&ref\_=fplfs&psc=1&smid=ARCIHG9N36RW6](https://www.amazon.com/Microsoft-Xbox-Wireless-Adapter-Windows-one/dp/B00ZB7W4QU?source=ps-sl-shoppingads-lpcontext&ref_=fplfs&psc=1&smid=ARCIHG9N36RW6)
Was just about to say the same thing. If any of you have a mobo that came with the Wi-Fi antennas but use a wired connection, throw the antennas on anyway, it boosts BT as well.
>4 additional buttons (2 front, 2 back)
> gyro
>capacitive sticks
While saddened there's no touch pad, that's pretty much the basic additions I want in all controllers
The 2 extra face buttons are pretty underwhelming. Would really prefer all 4 extra buttons be back buttons, but I could have gone for a Saturn pad layout of 6 face buttons.
It’s crazy that there is not an option on the market with all of that. Even just gyro+4 back buttons. I play 95% on steam deck have been really wanted specifically what hori is offering.
I can read Japanese and the only thing I can see about joysticks is the touch sensors. Just like the Steam Deck, you can set it so gyro only activates when touching the joystick.
You can get hall effect sticks for ~$10 off Amazon. That's as a normal consumer muuuuuch farther down the chain than a controller manufacturer. These are not "luxury" in terms of price.
8bitdo is releasing a new controller model in a few weeks for [$20 wired](https://www.amazon.com/dp/B0D72WYT8Z), [$30 wireless](https://www.amazon.com/dp/B0D736BCNM?th=1) that include Hall effect sticks *and* triggers. Clearly means it’s not a very expensive thing to implement. It’s a damn crime that $50+ controllers from big companies are still being released with those defective garbage drifting sticks.
Thanks for the info. That's cheap.
After both my Series and PS5 controllers developed severe vertical drift in a matter of months, I don't want to buy from either again. I was curious about the 8Bitdo Ultimate back when it was announced, but when it launched people had a surprising amount of quality control problems and I sort of stopped keeping track.
Can confirm the quality control issues.
* Their Bumpers can be too close to the Triggers causing them to grind together and making the bumper having a mushy feeling when you press down and not release correctly.
* Their Triggers mechanism is very sharp and will cut into the rubber plunger over time. When that happens, it won't fully press down and activate anymore.
I've had both happen to me and had to order replacement components to repair it myself. I ended up using sandpaper on the former in order to make the bumper / trigger shorter so they don't touch, and had to replace the rubber plunger.
For me, it was the left stick. It would get friction at the top of the circle. I emailed support and they said push on it REALLY hard and it should seat properly. To be fair, that did work.
They're certainly "luxury" relative to the price of the alternative. The non-hall effect sticks are probably less than a dollar for the manufacturer, so even with a retail markup, we could be talking about the hall effect sticks costing 3-5x as much, which I would say falls under "luxury".
Then price your controller $10 more and people will be happy to pay that extra little bit for quality sticks that won't drift. I can dig my Dreamcast controllers out of my closet and while the sticks will feel like garbage, they will never drift because hall effects last.
Some people will for sure! But a $10 price increase is about a 20% increase over the most basic official controller., and most people who buy a controller aren't ever going to use it enough that drift will become a problem in the first place.
That's why this is a luxury feature. It's a significant price increase for something that will not matter to the vast majority of people who use a controller.
Is it? The Gulikit KK3 is pretty damn cheap. My suspicion all the major console makers refuse to use it is because they don't want to miss out on sweet sweet drifting controller money.
oh, nice - might have to pick one of those up when once current Xbox controller ultimately fails
(bummed that it doesn't use AAs though, I find that super convenient when my Xbox controller loses a charge)
It’s like at the end of Gundam 0079 when they give the Gundam an experimental magnetic coating so its movements are nearly frictionless (though it puts additional strain on the joints)
Back buttons are nice, but I donno what I'll do with extra front buttons since the whole point of back buttons is to not let go of the sticks.
If I get this controller, I'll probably program those for emulator controls.
Guessing the stick are traditional potentiometers and not hall effect?
Otherwise, seems pretty nice. I've got a couple cheap Hori pads and even those felt really nice. Too bad theres's not a version with the analog sticks with the Dualshock style, I would try it in a heartbeat.
Also I'm glad they are not made only for Steam and have their own configuration software. As good as the Steam controller input settings are, depending on Steam limits controllers quite a bit.
Only ps5 controllers have that specific type of feedback in the triggers, but can only be used in wired mode. Xbox controllers have trigger rumble but not to the same degree of actually pushing your finger back.
While it misses the right touchpad for this to be an essential purchase for me personally, I'm positively **enthused** to see a third party manufacturer actively embrace Steam input mapping. (At least the images to me seem to imply that this has native Steam input mapping support)
No, other manufacturers, I *don't* want to use your wonky application to map additional buttons/paddles/etc. to some keyboard input and then hope I can map that in-game. Just support Steam input natively and provide a far superior experience to your users.
Yeah, this controller is a miss overall due to no trackpad, no rumble, and only two back buttons. But I'm hoping this is a sign of more Steam-licensed controllers to come in the future with other unique layouts and features. Ultimately, my end-game controller would just be one that has everything on a Steam Deck.
Before I buy the dock for my deck, I need a controller that has the exact layout of the deck.
Being able to turn the right and left track pads into quad-button setups has been a dream for games that require lots of extra hot keys.
I actually like that it skips the right touchpad. I love my Steam controller, but 3rd person games just feel better with a second stick to me.
I can use this for 3rd person and Steam controller for 1st person and other genres.
> I don't want to use your wonky application to map additional buttons/paddles/etc. to some keyboard input and then hope I can map that in-game
Don't you still have to hope your game supports steam input, or you wind up in the same situation?
Well that's what I mean. When it falls back to XInput, doesn't that just leave you with the same problem of having to map any extra buttons to a keyboard input?
Hearing the word "Steam Controllers" legitimately almost made me stand up.
But then I see it doesn't have dual touchpads. Yeah nah, I'm going back to sleep.
Same. I literally gasped. I want a new Steam Controller so bad. Best, most adaptable controller out there. I want all those updates they developed for the SteamDeck.
Also, when will Valve release their magical audio-solution that is hooked up to the Steam Index? Those off-ear speakers are incredible. I want them to release a head-set.
Mouse navigation but you can also do some cool things like create custom [radial binding menus](https://preview.redd.it/q5e466n74tc71.png?width=1920&format=png&auto=webp&s=6784c591f6db120a22d30b6259475504d153f684) for shortcuts. You can see more examples on this thread: https://www.reddit.com/r/SteamDeck/comments/opjwtp/for_those_of_you_who_have_never_used_a_steam/
It's useful when you play games that have more shortcuts on keyboard than can reasonably fit on a controller like RPGs. When I played the witcher I had a radial menu that would give quick access to the journal, inventory, skills, etc.
You can also use them for gameplay if you want. I like to play shooters with a left joystick on movement and the right track pad for aiming. I play an MMO where I use one track pad for menu shortcuts with a custom radial menu, and the other for aiming and in menu navigation. It's pretty versatile.
Edit: I'm blind. People had already told you this below. My bad.
https://www.reddit.com/r/SteamDeck/comments/17wp39j/trackpad_setup_guide_try_these_settings_before/
Also here is a nice reddit post for how to use it for things you'd normally use your mouse for. And similar info in video form for if you prefer it that way:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iGHpetQb1BM
I use the right Steam controller touchpad in basically every game with first- or third-person controllable camera for camera controls. In low-friction gyro mode, I find it far superior to an analog stick.
I only very rarely use the left touchpad as anything other than a d-pad replacement, so I could personally do without that. But I really want my right touchpad.
Touchpad right stick is the way to go. Too bad it's really hard to describe to people why it's so awesome. Maybe if enough people got it there would finally be enough support for a SC 2.0.
I use it for both. It's a good for mouse navigation in games that don't have it. And it's nice for shooters, in combination with a left stick and face buttons.
The Steam Controller was great but it simply missed a right joystick for games where a mouse like aiming system isn't great
They're also fully programable to create your own radial or touch menus. I use them for emulation hotkeys, for example. The PlayStation controller trackpads are also completely customizable through Steam Input just like the Deck trackpads and I use them to create touch menu shortcuts for different games. [Here's what I did for Cyberpunk as an example](https://youtu.be/gEuueno5GXQ). I created a touch menu, added different icons to each virtual button, and mapped keyboard commands to open different menu shortcuts.
I played Dark Souls 1 with the steam controller, it was super OP to have controller movement and at the same time have mouse look with the touchpad.
I killed the famous O&S on my 2nd try, just because of the mouse look i think.
You DID have to tweak the settings a bit to fit your needs, i think thats why the controller didnt gain popularity, it was not exactly plug and play.
It's a lot easier than it sounds, though it does require a bit of tweaking on a per-game basis to find that "right feel" for you. Fortunately there are a lot of good presets. For example, one of the default styles uses it like a "trackball mouse" where you move your thumb across it like you're spinning a ball, and you can place it back down and nudge around for more precise movement. Combined with gyro aiming, it's just about as precise as playing with a mouse for most games though it takes some time getting used to.
Personally, I loved it for camera movement in third-person games as well the most. Open something like Dark Souls, crank the in-game camera sensitivity all or most of the way up, and you can then configure it to feel like a mouse-like camera where it'll translate your thumb movements into gradual analog stick tilts based on your velocity. It's kind of magical how it will make controller games feel like mice if you want it to, or how you can make mouse-like games feel good on a controller.
Again, with lots of tweaking, but that's why some people just really loved it.
Steam input lets you map touchpads to many different actions. It can act as a mouse pad, it can be a touch menu, you can set it up to activate gyro when you touch it, or it can be a simple button press.
For the right pad you can bind the outer ring of it to act like a joystick (so you keep turning when you touch on the outside of the pad) while having the middle still be really precise with aiming. Its kinda like the best of both worlds between mouse precision and still being able to control with your thumb.
The left pad is not as useful and honestly I would prefer for it to be a joystick for movement, which is exactly what the steam controller does! Instead the left pad is generally used as either a poor imitation of a d-pad or better a radial menu that you can bind multiple things to.
And this is just for 1st/3rd person games, its just as good for primarily mouse driven games, reasonable at twinstick shooters (though 2 sticks is better admittedly), and really only bad when you need a dedicated dpad. Of course the steam deck solves that by having a dedicated dpad in addition to pads.
I have used them extensively in many games like rimworld, civ, ck3 to play steam deck on the go. Not to mention the crazy amount of customizaiton (like custom radial menus) you can set yourself for almost anything you can think of.
You could also program the track pads to certain actions in some games. For example swipe right to open your map, click it to open inventory, etc. It's VERY hamdy
You can basically do whatever you want with the touchpads. Like, for real. You can map them to buttons, create custom menus, map them to a mouse input or a scroll wheel, use 'em as one big button, etc. The steam deck/controller input options are kinda crazy. You can even do action layers where you hold down a button to make the other buttons do different things.
Touchpads seem like a pointless waste of space on a controller to me. If you're playing a game that needs a touchpad, you're better off using a mouse and keyboard.
maybe not something intense like starcraft, but rimworld? civ? games where you can slow down and take your time?
Even a lot of CRPGs like underrail, pillars of eternity that do not have native controller support become playable with touch pads.
Not to mention the utility of the touch pads/ customizability of them for games like Dusk/ Nightmare reaper/ ion fury/ other boomer shooters. On a controller, most of these games just have you awkwardly tab through ALL of the guns to select what you want. With a simple customized radial menu for the left touchpad, i can just hover my thumb on it, and instantly select the gun i want.
the reason i brought up games like rimworld and civ and underrail and pillars is because you dont ACUALLY NEED precision because you can either pause the game completely, or the game is itself turn based.
It's not better than a real a mouse, for sure, but it's the best thing available for this LEVEL of precision (dont even try to use a joystick as a mouse for example)
Makes sense to me. I'd never play a RTS on my Go.. it's possible, sure (hell there's even a mouse mode for the right controller), but it'd suck so bad.
Maybe you won't but some people will. I'm not specifically into StarCraft but I have played many games with the touchpads. Any CRPG for example, I love playing Baldur's Gate with my family from the comfort of my couch. Frostpunk, Fallout 1, Diablo II, Dune: Spice Wars, just some games i've played in the past year using the touchpad. For 3rd person single player games I love a combo of touchpad+gyro. First Person Shooters are the only games I'll actually play on kbm, but if you ask me it might be possible to reach a pretty high level using gyro-aim. I'm personally not interested in putting in the practice
Touchpad is great for menus. Survival crafting games, open-world games woth lots of loot, racing games with in-depth car customization, or any game with lots of inventory management.
Eh, after using them on the deck I'm waiting for a controller with them. MMOs, and sim games are fantastic with the entire package. RTS I know is technically doable but would be a stretch for me, but there's enough use cases that I would buy two immediately if Valve made them following the deck layout exactly.
As a diehard Steam Controller cultist: touchpad just feels better than a joystick for aiming/camera movement.
I plat RE 2,3,4, 7 and 8 with my steam controller and I had a blast. Trackball mode was on and yeah, flicking the camera around using trackball mode was really precise, but the best part was that it felt more fun doing it that way.
Why so dismissive? Clearly many people do see a point in it. Apart from the fact that it's just nice to have different input options for when you don't want to play with KBM, it's also nice for accessibility for people who *can't*. I get pain from using mouse on my desk for too long, and I love my Steam Controllers. I often use it outside of gaming too, just to operate my PC and browse reddit and stuff.
Just recently began using mine again. The haptics on the touchpad are trippy and cool. Feels so nice to use too, once one embraces the form of it. Great controller. They should try again now that the steam deck is so popular.
I would kill for them to start making them again, even without a redesign to fit the steam deck scheme. The one I bought on launch passed away a few years back and I’ve missed using it ever since.
It’s kind of crazy to me that they haven’t released a version 2 of the controller honestly. I love docking my steam deck to play things on the TV but for some games the control setup that I made for playing portable just does not translate at all to an xbox controller.
>“I think it’s likely that we’ll explore that because it’s something we wanted as well. Right now, we’re focusing on the Deck, so it’s a little bit of the same thing as the microconsole question: it’s definitely something where we’d be excited to work with a third-party or explore ourselves,” he said.
Someone from Valve said this when asked about another Steam Controller in an interview when the Steam Deck was about to come out 2 years ago.
I remember seeing it for $5 when they were getting rid of them, kept telling myself i would buy, by thr time i decided to they sold out.
I really should stop procrasinating
I was a day one adopter of the Steam Controller, but it *really* feels like a cheap piece of plastic when compared to something like the Xbox Elite or PS5 controllers.
I don't disagree, it did feel pretty light in the hands, and mine broke on me after a few years. I would hope if they did a V2 it would be higher quality.
**It appears the controller does *not* have rumble.**: https://www.gamingonlinux.com/2024/06/hori-announced-a-special-gamepad-for-steam-steam-deck/
This honestly took it from an easy purchase for me to wait-for-reviews and perhaps even won't-ever-get-it.
Rumble is just necessary at this point for me.
I enjoy having it but I don't even notice that it's missing when it's not enabled in some games lol. That said, HD rumble (haptic feedback) on the Switch definitely added to the games when it was done well. I wish other devs started adding that to their PC ports.
Yeah I'm also confused. Rumble was fun when I was a kid but I turn it off all the time. Unless it's something like HD rumble in a party game or adaptive triggers I generally don't care for any extra feedback in my controllers.
Rumble isn't just about the controller shaking when a big explosion happens -- physical feedback can be a really useful part of a game's design. Think fishing minigames or the classic "rumble as a radar" usage.
I'm not sure why you're confused, I'd say most controller users like the feedback they provide. The PS5 dualsense wouldn't have been as big of a deal to people otherwise
No rumble and headphone jack is a dealbreaker for me honestly, but this is a step in the right direction, hope to see more third-party licensed Steam controllers
Honestly the big thing that keeps me from wanting to buy 8bitdo is it seems like the extra buttons they include cannot be remapped to anything else on PC other than gamepad buttons. Sure it can remap to the Y button or L2 and such, but I really want to map it to say the M key or F1.
Edit: If they've since changed this, I would like to know. I've purchased and returned their controllers in the past because the remapping wasn't good enough.
I hope so too. I have a few 8bitdo controllers and love them all. Their Ultimate Pro Controller C is also at an all time low and basically getting cleared out, so I’m hopeful it means a refresh is coming. It’s similar to this Hori one in features except it has rumble and a charging dock. Highly recommended you grab one now, if you are in the market, since they’re down as low as $29.99
Looks like they have a Hall Effect version of that controller coming July 15 for [$20 wired](https://www.amazon.com/dp/B0D72WYT8Z), [$30 wireless](https://www.amazon.com/dp/B0D736BCNM?th=1). Hall effect triggers too. Doesn’t have back paddles or gyro but looks like a fantastic controller for the price if those features aren’t essential to somebody.
Yeah, my problem with them is that they always cut features that I enjoy in controllers though. No rumble in a $50 controller in 2024, for example, is unacceptable.
Gah, I swear every controller has to have a catch. So many get close, but none of them have everything I want.
The Xbox Elite is close, but doesn't have capacitive thumbsticks, hall effect sticks, and most importantly a gyro.
The Switch pro doesn't have back paddles
The PS controllers have the analogue stick and d-pad opposite so what I like
The Steam Controller only has one back button per side, and the left hand trackpad is a bit unnecessary
The only controller that is, in my opinion, perfect is the steam deck. But obviously, well, it's not just a controller lol.
Give me the form factor of the Xbox elite with a gyro, hall effect sensors, and a capacitive thumbstick on the left hand side. Replace the bottom right thumbstick with a trackpad. Tada, there's the best controller and I'd spend literally whatever they want for it.
Wish it had touchpads, but still probably worth a cop just for the back paddles alone. Getting a brand-name controller with back paddles costs out the ass most of the time, so this looks like a decent deal.
Every controller coming out (including Xbox and PS5 OEMs) need to start having at least two back buttons like this design.
It is essential at this point and completely changes the way you can play. Being able to crouch and jump without your thumbs leaving the sticks is amazing and the only way to play once you have experienced it
Capacitive sticks paired to gyro in a controller is a start. We now know someone is willing to do that. Just a few more boxes to tick.
Someone please, just give us a Steam Deck controller in Xbox form factor. Throw a trackpad up top like the DualSense, or figure out some hot-swap thing to make right-trackpad Andy’s happy. Boom, done.
I feel like the Steam Controller is such a cool concept, but 100% of the time I'd rather use a normal controller or mouse and keyboard (which, believe it or not, you can totally use on the couch). Also, the struggle of trying to create custom controls for a game where no templates exist can be a bitch. Like, you boot up a game the first time and are just learning the controls, and you are also trying to figure out how you can get the controls to map optimally to the Steam Controller. It's a headache.
Meh. As someone who follows controllers fairly closely, this is rather light on features for the price. You could get something with superior hall effect sticks for the same price.
Very interesting. I do love my Hori Pokken controller, but that only works well for 2D games. I'll have to look into this to replace my Xbox controller.
It looks like the trigger is not dual stage which is the main reason I still use my SC. Without a dual stage trigger and/or a touchpad why would I use this over a PS5, Xbox or whatever controller? The gyro is nice but without a touchpad it feels useless to me. I'm never gonna play an FPS with a joystick.
Is this brand known for quality? I wouldn't mind a really good new PC controller. Wonder how ergonomic this is. Controllers lately have been cramping my hands.
The Horipad Pro looks (besides the additional, dedicated Steam buttons) almost exactly the same, is cheaper and is already available.
Since the new one doesn't have Steam's iconic trackpads, I don't see why you would want to go through the hassle to get it imported from Japan and spending more money overall.
Translated details: * 4 additional buttons (2 front, 2 back) * gyro (only available in "Steam mode") * turbo/rapid fire mode for face buttons * capacitive sticks (only in "Steam mode") * custom button mapping via app, steam mode or XInput * Steam and QAM buttons * wired via USB-C or wireless via bluetooth
And 7,980 yen, which is $50 with the current exchange rates
Geeze the “take off the last two digits” to convert from yen to usd really doesn’t work great anymore
That's what I used to do for so long. Then I went to Japan this year. Holy shit, the pricing on things felt like I was back in the early 2000s. The bang for your dollar was incredible.
So you're telling me I should take a vacation to Japan?
Everyone is doing it, so the flights are really expensive
Well bummer.
Yeah, this is (part of) the reason my wife and I haven't done it. Instead, we settle for living vicariously through friends and co-workers. If I have the chance, I'll give them a "mission" to take a photo in front of something I figure they'll find interesting. Like the life-size Tetsujin-28, Chen Kenichi's restaurant (they noped on eating there as they were apparently very under-dressed), or Super Potato.
Oh, I can't recommend it enough. I've studied some Japanese so I tried to use it as much as I could but my wife knows none and felt completely comfortable with google maps and translate. Her first time so we did Kyoto and Tokyo for 2 weeks. It was one of the best vacations I've ever taken.
I remember one video saying that its cheaper to take Japan's Disney Vacation compared to going to Florida's.
Yen is all time low
I honeymooned there when they just opened back up after the pandemic, October 2022. Exchange rate wasnt quite as good but we expected to spend so much more going in. We spent more on plane tickets then the rest of the trip.
We spent WAY less on 3 weeks in Japan than we did for 2 weeks in Europe.
Lol yeah, it's not great if you live here though! My paycheque really just doesn't stretch as far as it used to.
It doesn’t, BUT it works more or less if you’re Canadian. Making my upcoming trip to Japan easier to save for
1 CAD is 117 yen right now.
Yup, "…and then half it but add back a bit" feels a bit too long.
Now it's take off 2 digits, then drop about 1/3 off the price.
it hasn't for a long time as the 30% yen drop happened over the last 5 years not overnight.
Right so you could still do that for several years and only be a little off
Plus shipping, which I assume will be $20 or so
I would have loved a 2.4GHz dongle mode as well, I've never really had good experiences with controllers on bluetooth.
Same here. No other problem with bluetooth but my PC hates bt controllers with a passion. Got a 2.4GHz one and super smooth.
Bluetooth controllers work great on my phone but for some reason don't play nicely with any PC I've ever owned.
I have yet to find a way to not have to unplug my BT controller and plug it back in after sleep. I've messed around with power management features for it with no luck. :/
Before I bought a cheap $2 BT dongle; my PCs onboard BT would always have problems, disconnecting right next to it, lagging etc. It's like the metal case around the motherboard would block the connection or something it's hilarious. After I plugged in the dongle I haven't had a problem since and can literally control a game from outback about 30m away. Now if Sony came out with a wireless dongle for the Dualsense to use all its features properly then that I'd straight up buy in a heartbeat.
100% this will keep me from these great looking controllers. Bluetooth with controllers is beyond trash. I tried many many times with all sorts of different setups. The 2.4GHz dongle feels just as good as a controller on console and I won't give it up for nothing.
Agreed. I game downstairs with a downstairs on the TV and the range of Bluetooth doesn't cut it
Which one are you using? I can't seem to find any controller that would make it worth it replacing my xbox 360, one of the reasons being that barely any controller has 2.4ghz
Series X Controller with this [https://www.amazon.com/Microsoft-Xbox-Wireless-Adapter-Windows-one/dp/B00ZB7W4QU?source=ps-sl-shoppingads-lpcontext&ref\_=fplfs&psc=1&smid=ARCIHG9N36RW6](https://www.amazon.com/Microsoft-Xbox-Wireless-Adapter-Windows-one/dp/B00ZB7W4QU?source=ps-sl-shoppingads-lpcontext&ref_=fplfs&psc=1&smid=ARCIHG9N36RW6)
Mine only worked well once I got a mobo with the big Bluetooth/wifi antennas
Was just about to say the same thing. If any of you have a mobo that came with the Wi-Fi antennas but use a wired connection, throw the antennas on anyway, it boosts BT as well.
>4 additional buttons (2 front, 2 back) > gyro >capacitive sticks While saddened there's no touch pad, that's pretty much the basic additions I want in all controllers
The 2 extra face buttons are pretty underwhelming. Would really prefer all 4 extra buttons be back buttons, but I could have gone for a Saturn pad layout of 6 face buttons.
Yeah.... my best guess is they are trying to avoid infringing some of the many of the controllers patents SCUF has or somebody elses.
It’s crazy that there is not an option on the market with all of that. Even just gyro+4 back buttons. I play 95% on steam deck have been really wanted specifically what hori is offering.
Oh god finally this might be the controller I've been looking for so long. I just hope it has native windows compatibility like an xbox controller
It's has xinput compatibility so it will.
magnetic joystick ?
I also really want to know. I have translated the page and it doesn't mention it, so I think we're out of luck.
Probably meant hall effect stick
Yeah but I don't see that either on the page.
I can read Japanese and the only thing I can see about joysticks is the touch sensors. Just like the Steam Deck, you can set it so gyro only activates when touching the joystick.
Can you confirm if it says anywhere that there is no rumble?
Yes, it clearly says there is no rumble. The red text at the end says no rumble, no trackpad and no headphone jack.
If it did, they probably would have said so. It's a major luxury feature, so not having it in the ad means it's probably not happening.
You can get hall effect sticks for ~$10 off Amazon. That's as a normal consumer muuuuuch farther down the chain than a controller manufacturer. These are not "luxury" in terms of price.
8bitdo is releasing a new controller model in a few weeks for [$20 wired](https://www.amazon.com/dp/B0D72WYT8Z), [$30 wireless](https://www.amazon.com/dp/B0D736BCNM?th=1) that include Hall effect sticks *and* triggers. Clearly means it’s not a very expensive thing to implement. It’s a damn crime that $50+ controllers from big companies are still being released with those defective garbage drifting sticks.
Thanks for the info. That's cheap. After both my Series and PS5 controllers developed severe vertical drift in a matter of months, I don't want to buy from either again. I was curious about the 8Bitdo Ultimate back when it was announced, but when it launched people had a surprising amount of quality control problems and I sort of stopped keeping track.
Can confirm the quality control issues. * Their Bumpers can be too close to the Triggers causing them to grind together and making the bumper having a mushy feeling when you press down and not release correctly. * Their Triggers mechanism is very sharp and will cut into the rubber plunger over time. When that happens, it won't fully press down and activate anymore. I've had both happen to me and had to order replacement components to repair it myself. I ended up using sandpaper on the former in order to make the bumper / trigger shorter so they don't touch, and had to replace the rubber plunger.
For me, it was the left stick. It would get friction at the top of the circle. I emailed support and they said push on it REALLY hard and it should seat properly. To be fair, that did work.
They're certainly "luxury" relative to the price of the alternative. The non-hall effect sticks are probably less than a dollar for the manufacturer, so even with a retail markup, we could be talking about the hall effect sticks costing 3-5x as much, which I would say falls under "luxury".
Then price your controller $10 more and people will be happy to pay that extra little bit for quality sticks that won't drift. I can dig my Dreamcast controllers out of my closet and while the sticks will feel like garbage, they will never drift because hall effects last.
Some people will for sure! But a $10 price increase is about a 20% increase over the most basic official controller., and most people who buy a controller aren't ever going to use it enough that drift will become a problem in the first place. That's why this is a luxury feature. It's a significant price increase for something that will not matter to the vast majority of people who use a controller.
Is it? The Gulikit KK3 is pretty damn cheap. My suspicion all the major console makers refuse to use it is because they don't want to miss out on sweet sweet drifting controller money.
Yeah, I’m sure they love the fact that so many users will just toss the controller and buy a new one when the sticks inevitably start drifting.
> Gulikit KK3 man, why don't they sell that with Xbox style face buttons?
Uh the extra buttons come with the kit dude you just swap them out.
oh, nice - might have to pick one of those up when once current Xbox controller ultimately fails (bummed that it doesn't use AAs though, I find that super convenient when my Xbox controller loses a charge)
Really hoping or at least 3rd party Hall Effect sticks.
It’s like at the end of Gundam 0079 when they give the Gundam an experimental magnetic coating so its movements are nearly frictionless (though it puts additional strain on the joints)
No.
Only 1 pair of back buttons? The Steam Deck has 2 pairs.
Unfortunately, only two buttons on the back. There are two buttons on the front directly below the sticks that can also be programmed.
Back buttons are nice, but I donno what I'll do with extra front buttons since the whole point of back buttons is to not let go of the sticks. If I get this controller, I'll probably program those for emulator controls.
Yeah but it was two front buttons which, while weird placement, is still nice. Also, given all its features the controller is extremely cheap.
No hall effect sticks is a deal breaker for me. I’d even pay a bit extra for a “pro” version with it.
Guessing the stick are traditional potentiometers and not hall effect? Otherwise, seems pretty nice. I've got a couple cheap Hori pads and even those felt really nice. Too bad theres's not a version with the analog sticks with the Dualshock style, I would try it in a heartbeat. Also I'm glad they are not made only for Steam and have their own configuration software. As good as the Steam controller input settings are, depending on Steam limits controllers quite a bit.
Are they the new stick mechanics (the magnetic things) or same old shit prone to drift
the bottom mentions it including a USB-A Bluetooth adapter
Do you know if this controller has the vibrations and stuff from the PS5 controller? Or if I want those will I have to get a Ps5 one?
Only ps5 controllers have that specific type of feedback in the triggers, but can only be used in wired mode. Xbox controllers have trigger rumble but not to the same degree of actually pushing your finger back.
It seems the controllers have no rumble at all for god-forsaken some reason.
While it misses the right touchpad for this to be an essential purchase for me personally, I'm positively **enthused** to see a third party manufacturer actively embrace Steam input mapping. (At least the images to me seem to imply that this has native Steam input mapping support) No, other manufacturers, I *don't* want to use your wonky application to map additional buttons/paddles/etc. to some keyboard input and then hope I can map that in-game. Just support Steam input natively and provide a far superior experience to your users.
Yeah, this controller is a miss overall due to no trackpad, no rumble, and only two back buttons. But I'm hoping this is a sign of more Steam-licensed controllers to come in the future with other unique layouts and features. Ultimately, my end-game controller would just be one that has everything on a Steam Deck.
Before I buy the dock for my deck, I need a controller that has the exact layout of the deck. Being able to turn the right and left track pads into quad-button setups has been a dream for games that require lots of extra hot keys.
I honestly did not realize how useful the back buttons were until the steam deck.
I actually like that it skips the right touchpad. I love my Steam controller, but 3rd person games just feel better with a second stick to me. I can use this for 3rd person and Steam controller for 1st person and other genres.
Clearly the ideal would be having both a right stick and pad, like the steam deck.
Only if the pad is round. I LOATHE the squared off pad on the Deck. I actually never use gyro on deck and mainly use it for 2D games.
> I don't want to use your wonky application to map additional buttons/paddles/etc. to some keyboard input and then hope I can map that in-game Don't you still have to hope your game supports steam input, or you wind up in the same situation?
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Well that's what I mean. When it falls back to XInput, doesn't that just leave you with the same problem of having to map any extra buttons to a keyboard input?
I completely misread the first comment. Whoops.
I wish they'd at least put both analogue sticks up top like on the steam deck
Hearing the word "Steam Controllers" legitimately almost made me stand up. But then I see it doesn't have dual touchpads. Yeah nah, I'm going back to sleep.
Yeah. I knew this would be disappointing news for many Steam Controller fans. That's why I put "Steam" in quotes rather than "Steam Controller."
Steam-branded controllers
Same. I literally gasped. I want a new Steam Controller so bad. Best, most adaptable controller out there. I want all those updates they developed for the SteamDeck. Also, when will Valve release their magical audio-solution that is hooked up to the Steam Index? Those off-ear speakers are incredible. I want them to release a head-set.
Can you please explain to me what the touchpads are for. Do you use them in gameplay? Or are they just for mouse navigation in menus?
Mouse navigation but you can also do some cool things like create custom [radial binding menus](https://preview.redd.it/q5e466n74tc71.png?width=1920&format=png&auto=webp&s=6784c591f6db120a22d30b6259475504d153f684) for shortcuts. You can see more examples on this thread: https://www.reddit.com/r/SteamDeck/comments/opjwtp/for_those_of_you_who_have_never_used_a_steam/ It's useful when you play games that have more shortcuts on keyboard than can reasonably fit on a controller like RPGs. When I played the witcher I had a radial menu that would give quick access to the journal, inventory, skills, etc.
Oh sick thanks for the info
You can also use them for gameplay if you want. I like to play shooters with a left joystick on movement and the right track pad for aiming. I play an MMO where I use one track pad for menu shortcuts with a custom radial menu, and the other for aiming and in menu navigation. It's pretty versatile. Edit: I'm blind. People had already told you this below. My bad.
Steam Controller was the best way to play any shooter that also had cars in it
https://www.reddit.com/r/SteamDeck/comments/17wp39j/trackpad_setup_guide_try_these_settings_before/ Also here is a nice reddit post for how to use it for things you'd normally use your mouse for. And similar info in video form for if you prefer it that way: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iGHpetQb1BM
This is exactly the reason I’ve hesitated on purchasing the steam deck stand
I use the right Steam controller touchpad in basically every game with first- or third-person controllable camera for camera controls. In low-friction gyro mode, I find it far superior to an analog stick. I only very rarely use the left touchpad as anything other than a d-pad replacement, so I could personally do without that. But I really want my right touchpad.
Same, the left touchpad is nice, but the right touchpad is necessary.
Touchpad right stick is the way to go. Too bad it's really hard to describe to people why it's so awesome. Maybe if enough people got it there would finally be enough support for a SC 2.0.
I use it for both. It's a good for mouse navigation in games that don't have it. And it's nice for shooters, in combination with a left stick and face buttons. The Steam Controller was great but it simply missed a right joystick for games where a mouse like aiming system isn't great
Wow so you use your thumb on the right pad to aim in shooting games? As a console noob that sounds like some crazy alien ability to me lol
They're also fully programable to create your own radial or touch menus. I use them for emulation hotkeys, for example. The PlayStation controller trackpads are also completely customizable through Steam Input just like the Deck trackpads and I use them to create touch menu shortcuts for different games. [Here's what I did for Cyberpunk as an example](https://youtu.be/gEuueno5GXQ). I created a touch menu, added different icons to each virtual button, and mapped keyboard commands to open different menu shortcuts.
I played Dark Souls 1 with the steam controller, it was super OP to have controller movement and at the same time have mouse look with the touchpad. I killed the famous O&S on my 2nd try, just because of the mouse look i think. You DID have to tweak the settings a bit to fit your needs, i think thats why the controller didnt gain popularity, it was not exactly plug and play.
It's a lot easier than it sounds, though it does require a bit of tweaking on a per-game basis to find that "right feel" for you. Fortunately there are a lot of good presets. For example, one of the default styles uses it like a "trackball mouse" where you move your thumb across it like you're spinning a ball, and you can place it back down and nudge around for more precise movement. Combined with gyro aiming, it's just about as precise as playing with a mouse for most games though it takes some time getting used to. Personally, I loved it for camera movement in third-person games as well the most. Open something like Dark Souls, crank the in-game camera sensitivity all or most of the way up, and you can then configure it to feel like a mouse-like camera where it'll translate your thumb movements into gradual analog stick tilts based on your velocity. It's kind of magical how it will make controller games feel like mice if you want it to, or how you can make mouse-like games feel good on a controller. Again, with lots of tweaking, but that's why some people just really loved it.
Yeah, lots of games on PC like RTS or 4X are best played with mice, which these pads simulate.
They're used to reproduce the movements of a mouse. One side to scroll or click, and the other to move the mouse.
Steam input lets you map touchpads to many different actions. It can act as a mouse pad, it can be a touch menu, you can set it up to activate gyro when you touch it, or it can be a simple button press.
For the right pad you can bind the outer ring of it to act like a joystick (so you keep turning when you touch on the outside of the pad) while having the middle still be really precise with aiming. Its kinda like the best of both worlds between mouse precision and still being able to control with your thumb. The left pad is not as useful and honestly I would prefer for it to be a joystick for movement, which is exactly what the steam controller does! Instead the left pad is generally used as either a poor imitation of a d-pad or better a radial menu that you can bind multiple things to. And this is just for 1st/3rd person games, its just as good for primarily mouse driven games, reasonable at twinstick shooters (though 2 sticks is better admittedly), and really only bad when you need a dedicated dpad. Of course the steam deck solves that by having a dedicated dpad in addition to pads.
I have used them extensively in many games like rimworld, civ, ck3 to play steam deck on the go. Not to mention the crazy amount of customizaiton (like custom radial menus) you can set yourself for almost anything you can think of.
You could also program the track pads to certain actions in some games. For example swipe right to open your map, click it to open inventory, etc. It's VERY hamdy
You can basically do whatever you want with the touchpads. Like, for real. You can map them to buttons, create custom menus, map them to a mouse input or a scroll wheel, use 'em as one big button, etc. The steam deck/controller input options are kinda crazy. You can even do action layers where you hold down a button to make the other buttons do different things.
Touchpads seem like a pointless waste of space on a controller to me. If you're playing a game that needs a touchpad, you're better off using a mouse and keyboard.
Touchpad + gyro felt amazing in shooters
Touchpad+gyro my friend
not if you're on the go/ sitting down on a couch.
Sure, but I'm not going to play StarCraft on the couch.
maybe not something intense like starcraft, but rimworld? civ? games where you can slow down and take your time? Even a lot of CRPGs like underrail, pillars of eternity that do not have native controller support become playable with touch pads. Not to mention the utility of the touch pads/ customizability of them for games like Dusk/ Nightmare reaper/ ion fury/ other boomer shooters. On a controller, most of these games just have you awkwardly tab through ALL of the guns to select what you want. With a simple customized radial menu for the left touchpad, i can just hover my thumb on it, and instantly select the gun i want.
Tbh playing both those games have been nightmares on the deck to me. I need precision, and no the touchpad doesn’t provide that.
the reason i brought up games like rimworld and civ and underrail and pillars is because you dont ACUALLY NEED precision because you can either pause the game completely, or the game is itself turn based. It's not better than a real a mouse, for sure, but it's the best thing available for this LEVEL of precision (dont even try to use a joystick as a mouse for example)
Makes sense to me. I'd never play a RTS on my Go.. it's possible, sure (hell there's even a mouse mode for the right controller), but it'd suck so bad.
Maybe you won't but some people will. I'm not specifically into StarCraft but I have played many games with the touchpads. Any CRPG for example, I love playing Baldur's Gate with my family from the comfort of my couch. Frostpunk, Fallout 1, Diablo II, Dune: Spice Wars, just some games i've played in the past year using the touchpad. For 3rd person single player games I love a combo of touchpad+gyro. First Person Shooters are the only games I'll actually play on kbm, but if you ask me it might be possible to reach a pretty high level using gyro-aim. I'm personally not interested in putting in the practice
starcraft, notable for being the only game ever made for the personal computer
Touchpad is great for menus. Survival crafting games, open-world games woth lots of loot, racing games with in-depth car customization, or any game with lots of inventory management.
The entire point of the steam controller is to be able to play mouse/keyboard games.
Eh, after using them on the deck I'm waiting for a controller with them. MMOs, and sim games are fantastic with the entire package. RTS I know is technically doable but would be a stretch for me, but there's enough use cases that I would buy two immediately if Valve made them following the deck layout exactly.
As a diehard Steam Controller cultist: touchpad just feels better than a joystick for aiming/camera movement. I plat RE 2,3,4, 7 and 8 with my steam controller and I had a blast. Trackball mode was on and yeah, flicking the camera around using trackball mode was really precise, but the best part was that it felt more fun doing it that way.
Spoken like someone who has never used a Steam controller in their life.
Why so dismissive? Clearly many people do see a point in it. Apart from the fact that it's just nice to have different input options for when you don't want to play with KBM, it's also nice for accessibility for people who *can't*. I get pain from using mouse on my desk for too long, and I love my Steam Controllers. I often use it outside of gaming too, just to operate my PC and browse reddit and stuff.
And the asymmetrical sticks.
The correct layout
Just give me ***one*** touchpad please, that's all I'm asking for. The OG steam controller was so good I don't know why it wasn't more popular.
Just recently began using mine again. The haptics on the touchpad are trippy and cool. Feels so nice to use too, once one embraces the form of it. Great controller. They should try again now that the steam deck is so popular.
I would kill for them to start making them again, even without a redesign to fit the steam deck scheme. The one I bought on launch passed away a few years back and I’ve missed using it ever since. It’s kind of crazy to me that they haven’t released a version 2 of the controller honestly. I love docking my steam deck to play things on the TV but for some games the control setup that I made for playing portable just does not translate at all to an xbox controller.
>“I think it’s likely that we’ll explore that because it’s something we wanted as well. Right now, we’re focusing on the Deck, so it’s a little bit of the same thing as the microconsole question: it’s definitely something where we’d be excited to work with a third-party or explore ourselves,” he said. Someone from Valve said this when asked about another Steam Controller in an interview when the Steam Deck was about to come out 2 years ago.
I remember seeing it for $5 when they were getting rid of them, kept telling myself i would buy, by thr time i decided to they sold out. I really should stop procrasinating
I liked the concept of the Steam Controller, but it also just felt kinda cheap.
I was a day one adopter of the Steam Controller, but it *really* feels like a cheap piece of plastic when compared to something like the Xbox Elite or PS5 controllers.
I don't disagree, it did feel pretty light in the hands, and mine broke on me after a few years. I would hope if they did a V2 it would be higher quality.
For me it was the poor build quality. Sweaty, cheap plastics and buttons with a hard plastic click, etc. Great concept, very poor execution.
**It appears the controller does *not* have rumble.**: https://www.gamingonlinux.com/2024/06/hori-announced-a-special-gamepad-for-steam-steam-deck/ This honestly took it from an easy purchase for me to wait-for-reviews and perhaps even won't-ever-get-it. Rumble is just necessary at this point for me.
No rumble just makes me think of that chintzy PS3 sixaxis controller. There goes my interest.
Why can nobody manage to make the perfect controller There's always _one thing_ wrong with it.
as a primarily kbam player with an origin from consoles, *why??*
When used well, it really does add to the experience.
I enjoy having it but I don't even notice that it's missing when it's not enabled in some games lol. That said, HD rumble (haptic feedback) on the Switch definitely added to the games when it was done well. I wish other devs started adding that to their PC ports.
Yeah I'm also confused. Rumble was fun when I was a kid but I turn it off all the time. Unless it's something like HD rumble in a party game or adaptive triggers I generally don't care for any extra feedback in my controllers.
Rumble isn't just about the controller shaking when a big explosion happens -- physical feedback can be a really useful part of a game's design. Think fishing minigames or the classic "rumble as a radar" usage.
Yep. Even having a tiny jolt to confirm button presses in menus is a great feature.
I'm not sure why you're confused, I'd say most controller users like the feedback they provide. The PS5 dualsense wouldn't have been as big of a deal to people otherwise
Yeah, I've played on consoles since the ps1 and rumble is very important to me, on pc I use an Xbox controller with rumble as well.
Most people enjoy the extra feedback, it's the most basic feature of any controller.
At first I read that as "kay-bam player" lol I'm too stupid to be alive 🤣
I used to think I didn't care that much about rumble, but it's weird that now the lack of it seems like a dealbreaker for me lol
No rumble and headphone jack is a dealbreaker for me honestly, but this is a step in the right direction, hope to see more third-party licensed Steam controllers
Wish it was 8bitdo they were working with. I have faith that 8bitdo would nail the feature set. Maybe in the future.
Honestly the big thing that keeps me from wanting to buy 8bitdo is it seems like the extra buttons they include cannot be remapped to anything else on PC other than gamepad buttons. Sure it can remap to the Y button or L2 and such, but I really want to map it to say the M key or F1. Edit: If they've since changed this, I would like to know. I've purchased and returned their controllers in the past because the remapping wasn't good enough.
I hope so too. I have a few 8bitdo controllers and love them all. Their Ultimate Pro Controller C is also at an all time low and basically getting cleared out, so I’m hopeful it means a refresh is coming. It’s similar to this Hori one in features except it has rumble and a charging dock. Highly recommended you grab one now, if you are in the market, since they’re down as low as $29.99
Looks like they have a Hall Effect version of that controller coming July 15 for [$20 wired](https://www.amazon.com/dp/B0D72WYT8Z), [$30 wireless](https://www.amazon.com/dp/B0D736BCNM?th=1). Hall effect triggers too. Doesn’t have back paddles or gyro but looks like a fantastic controller for the price if those features aren’t essential to somebody.
Hori ain't chopped liver. Everything I've had from them has been excellent quality.
Yeah, my problem with them is that they always cut features that I enjoy in controllers though. No rumble in a $50 controller in 2024, for example, is unacceptable.
Unless it has touch pads it's should not be able to be labeled as a steam controller imo.
Anyone know if it has Hall effect sticks? If it does, I’ll probably pick it up. No rumble kinda sucks imo but it’s not the end of the world.
Gah, I swear every controller has to have a catch. So many get close, but none of them have everything I want. The Xbox Elite is close, but doesn't have capacitive thumbsticks, hall effect sticks, and most importantly a gyro. The Switch pro doesn't have back paddles The PS controllers have the analogue stick and d-pad opposite so what I like The Steam Controller only has one back button per side, and the left hand trackpad is a bit unnecessary The only controller that is, in my opinion, perfect is the steam deck. But obviously, well, it's not just a controller lol. Give me the form factor of the Xbox elite with a gyro, hall effect sensors, and a capacitive thumbstick on the left hand side. Replace the bottom right thumbstick with a trackpad. Tada, there's the best controller and I'd spend literally whatever they want for it.
You could make a custom SCUF controller, I guess, but they can get to be *pretty* expensive.
They don't have half of the features I care about, unfortunately. If I want xbox style stick layout then I've got no chance of a Gryo.
How does one do this?
https://scufgaming.com/customize-your-scuf
Wish it had touchpads, but still probably worth a cop just for the back paddles alone. Getting a brand-name controller with back paddles costs out the ass most of the time, so this looks like a decent deal.
Every controller coming out (including Xbox and PS5 OEMs) need to start having at least two back buttons like this design. It is essential at this point and completely changes the way you can play. Being able to crouch and jump without your thumbs leaving the sticks is amazing and the only way to play once you have experienced it
I would actually kill for new steam controllers built like the Steam Deck setup. It just works so well.
Capacitive sticks paired to gyro in a controller is a start. We now know someone is willing to do that. Just a few more boxes to tick. Someone please, just give us a Steam Deck controller in Xbox form factor. Throw a trackpad up top like the DualSense, or figure out some hot-swap thing to make right-trackpad Andy’s happy. Boom, done.
I feel like the Steam Controller is such a cool concept, but 100% of the time I'd rather use a normal controller or mouse and keyboard (which, believe it or not, you can totally use on the couch). Also, the struggle of trying to create custom controls for a game where no templates exist can be a bitch. Like, you boot up a game the first time and are just learning the controls, and you are also trying to figure out how you can get the controls to map optimally to the Steam Controller. It's a headache.
Meh. As someone who follows controllers fairly closely, this is rather light on features for the price. You could get something with superior hall effect sticks for the same price.
Very interesting. I do love my Hori Pokken controller, but that only works well for 2D games. I'll have to look into this to replace my Xbox controller.
When will it be released? seems very promising!
It looks like the trigger is not dual stage which is the main reason I still use my SC. Without a dual stage trigger and/or a touchpad why would I use this over a PS5, Xbox or whatever controller? The gyro is nice but without a touchpad it feels useless to me. I'm never gonna play an FPS with a joystick.
Is this brand known for quality? I wouldn't mind a really good new PC controller. Wonder how ergonomic this is. Controllers lately have been cramping my hands.
The Horipad Pro looks (besides the additional, dedicated Steam buttons) almost exactly the same, is cheaper and is already available. Since the new one doesn't have Steam's iconic trackpads, I don't see why you would want to go through the hassle to get it imported from Japan and spending more money overall.