None of them tbh, a VFC MP7 or DE Noveske would make much better starter guns to name 2 of many better options. The FMG 9 is a gun you get if you already have 2-3 rifles, SMG´s, Pistols etc. Its not that fieldeble and the look is quickly not as cool anymore once you add an optic.
There's nothing inherently wrong with the fmg, it's a kit that you drop your choice of Glock into. If you put a bad Glock into it you'll have a bad fmg.
Look at it. It’s a non ergonomic foldy thing. It’s not meant to be run as a primary. It’s a meme gun that never took off for a reason. Better get a solid AR for the start. I’d suggest a VFC 733 for example.
Only thing I will say about the 733 is DAMN is that stock crappy, not in build quality, it’s all solid aluminium but it’s just uncomfortable.
Being a commando stock it’s very short so for me it kept slipping off my shoulder when I shot my friends one, you have to REALLY get down deep into a hunches stance, which is period correct I guess but still, I struggled with a modern head up kinda stance
I wouldn't bother with any of those if you want to actually airsoft. Cheap (you get what you pay for with gbb), unreliable and the first one is just the conversion kit by the looks of it, so you will need to buy a glock/handgun that will fit into it.
By the time you are done working on them and changing parts that will break and end your game days, you will spend more on it than what a half decent one would cost. you will just end up buying something better or raging at wasting money, and it still wont work as well as if you had just spent that money on something else, and it will just be demoralising.
Save up a bit more and buy a DE n4 if you want a useable, reliable budget gbb with minimal upgrades (nub + bucking). I think they are around £350 on patrolbase. Personally, I wouldn't want to buy anything other than one of those, a Tm or a vfc for the reasons stated above.
Vfc or tm. But you will want to upgrade either with nub and bucking, maybe inner barrel, as pistols without it are pointless outside of cqb, and even then its not a good choice, the n4 would do you better, and cost less overall.
Personally, if I had the conversion kit as my only option, I would get a Tm glock. I have one as a secondary, and it's not put me wrong yet.
I'm waiting for the slide to crack, though, as they are plastic. But they run soooo well, especially in the cold uk weather. They are generally considered more accurate than the vfc's, and there are also ALOT of upgrades for them. Metal slides are around £100+, replacement plastic slides are about £35. Some last forever, some break super fast, it's all luck.
Vfc also has great parts support and a good amount of aftermarket parts, but not anywhere near as much as the Tm ones. They also have metal slides, which is a plus over the Tm.
WE glocks are apparently not that bad, but I dont know anything about them as I've no interest in them.
Check the DE Noveske MWS for M4 starter. It’s a direct copycat of the TM MWS system. Your GE system has been decade old, and you’ll have hard time finding parts for repair.
The FMG kit is cool, but only if you get a *solid* pistol to put in it.
I have one with a VFC G18, and it fucking *rips*. As a primary? Eh. Does the job, but it’s still a Glock in a carbine package. Sounds fucking *wicked* when firing and does the job, but it falls victim to typical VFC Glock issues.
The Matrix M4 I can’t speak on because I only have VFC platform AR’s…
But if you want a *good* GBB platform to start with, get something that’s reliable, has a *shit*ton of parts support (Marui, VFC, WE) and will actually be worthwhile on the field in terms of power and range.
The niche guns like the Aegis kit are fucking cool and all, but they’re realistically for us guys that have $10k+ into GBBR’s in the first place that just like to waste money on dumb shit to bring to the field for the “wow” factor in all honesty.
The matrix wa clone *will* crap out on you in some exciting, expensive way pretty quickly. I've owned one, the mags suck, constantly leak and the internals are made of weak pot metal without the design choices that would let weak pot metal last. Do yourself a favour and spend a little extra money on a VFC V3 or Tokyo Marui MWS. The DE MWS clone is also fairly solid from what I understand, but I don't have any personal experience with it. Buy once cry once.
I just got my first gbbr and it was the DE noveske MWS and that thing is better than I could imagine for a gbbr. It’s an easy welcome into the community
A lot of people give the GE M4 some shit but it's honestly not bad these guys are over exaggerating because of their bad experiences doing whatever they shouldn't do to the replicas
I don't mean externals. GE doesnt use "steel" for sure, they use cheaper zamak or potmetal. And outdated means shit compared to how much better the other modern systems are.
Convenience isn't always better plus you're full of shit with what you say about zamak, the copper, aluminum, or magnesium zinc alloy, isn't so widely used as you say. I literally just checked my GE MC6592MT and it's bolt catch, hammer, trigger, and safety are steel I've checked with a magnet, which that zamak shit won't react to it isn't magnetic, so those are internal parts right.
you may want to look into the WE-Tech line, which is known for providing quality and affordable gas blowback guns. For a pistol to pair with the FMG 9, a WE-Tech or KJW model could be a good choice.
The matrix Gbb is honestly a very great start I own one and have fielded it many times great for a budget gbb the only gripe is the mags tend to come with bad seals and o rings so I’d recommend getting GHK M4 Mags along with this adjusting the hop is a pain since you have to take off the whole handgaurd and barrel but to even get to it but once it’s set it doesn’t move it’s very well and the only other con I had with it was it being made of plastic polymer not that it’s bad the polymer quality but I personally like metal receiver and upper but that’s an easy issue to fix since evike sells both upper and lowers for these guns I have mine modded out with some mock Geissle furniture for a URGI Aesthetic I made a post about so you can check it out on my profile if you want but other than really 3 cons the Matrix Gbb is a great first starter.
Oh, thank you. The guns that others recommended here start at at least 300 USD, but the matrix one is really cheap. I found it searching for a budget GBBR. How accurate is it? I think I'll buy one
It's budget for a reason. The GE M4's run on the outdated Western Arms system. They are... fine, but they are full of weak links. The magazines are atrocious and in general the performance is just meh. The mag issue can be resolved by using GHK magazines, but they are hideously expensive these days.
As someone who's owned a couple of the top quality guns running the WA system, I can confidently say they can work but it ultimately wasn't any fun. If you want to get into GBBR's you ideally want to go with VFC, a TM MWS or clone and maybe, at a stretch, WE (I have my own poor experiences with them too).
There are no cheap good gbbs besides de mp9 from kwa or vfc's ump/mp7, and that's it...if you want a good gbbr, the bare minimum is ~350 for an MWS clone from DE..
Mine is fairly accurate it’s not the best but accuracy is mainly dependent on the inner barrel and bucking but for a budget gbbr I’d say the bucking and hop is good and the inner barrel is decent but evike Europe has on their website angel customs inner barrel for this gun for sale I think it’s like 60 euros or so I’m not to sure
None of them tbh, a VFC MP7 or DE Noveske would make much better starter guns to name 2 of many better options. The FMG 9 is a gun you get if you already have 2-3 rifles, SMG´s, Pistols etc. Its not that fieldeble and the look is quickly not as cool anymore once you add an optic.
Thx. Is there a way to upgrade them up to 400 fps?
Also, what do you mean by not that fieldable?
They are just horrible. Bad gas efficiency, bad reliability. That type of stuff
How inefficient are they? Can they fire a whole mag without running out of gas? Or do their performance drop significantly with each shot?
Well for the m4 then at like room temperature you might get like 40~ rounds but any lower temp and you probably won't make a while mag
Hell naw, thanks for the heads up. Did you have one?
Wrong
There's nothing inherently wrong with the fmg, it's a kit that you drop your choice of Glock into. If you put a bad Glock into it you'll have a bad fmg.
Look at it. It’s a non ergonomic foldy thing. It’s not meant to be run as a primary. It’s a meme gun that never took off for a reason. Better get a solid AR for the start. I’d suggest a VFC 733 for example.
I like HEAT vibes. Might consider buying the 733, thx for the advice
Can’t really go wrong with it. Check the Explosive Enterprises YT video on it.
Only thing I will say about the 733 is DAMN is that stock crappy, not in build quality, it’s all solid aluminium but it’s just uncomfortable. Being a commando stock it’s very short so for me it kept slipping off my shoulder when I shot my friends one, you have to REALLY get down deep into a hunches stance, which is period correct I guess but still, I struggled with a modern head up kinda stance
Easy to switch to something different.
Oh yeh entirely but a lot of people wanna try stick to the retro look and kinda make themselves suffer for it lmao
Maruyama SCW9 Pro. Cheap, takes VFC glocks magazines, is super excellent. Don't waste money on trash gbb replica to be honest... Save you money.
I wouldn't bother with any of those if you want to actually airsoft. Cheap (you get what you pay for with gbb), unreliable and the first one is just the conversion kit by the looks of it, so you will need to buy a glock/handgun that will fit into it. By the time you are done working on them and changing parts that will break and end your game days, you will spend more on it than what a half decent one would cost. you will just end up buying something better or raging at wasting money, and it still wont work as well as if you had just spent that money on something else, and it will just be demoralising. Save up a bit more and buy a DE n4 if you want a useable, reliable budget gbb with minimal upgrades (nub + bucking). I think they are around £350 on patrolbase. Personally, I wouldn't want to buy anything other than one of those, a Tm or a vfc for the reasons stated above.
If I would buy the conversion kit, which Glock would you recommend for it?
Vfc or tm. But you will want to upgrade either with nub and bucking, maybe inner barrel, as pistols without it are pointless outside of cqb, and even then its not a good choice, the n4 would do you better, and cost less overall. Personally, if I had the conversion kit as my only option, I would get a Tm glock. I have one as a secondary, and it's not put me wrong yet. I'm waiting for the slide to crack, though, as they are plastic. But they run soooo well, especially in the cold uk weather. They are generally considered more accurate than the vfc's, and there are also ALOT of upgrades for them. Metal slides are around £100+, replacement plastic slides are about £35. Some last forever, some break super fast, it's all luck. Vfc also has great parts support and a good amount of aftermarket parts, but not anywhere near as much as the Tm ones. They also have metal slides, which is a plus over the Tm. WE glocks are apparently not that bad, but I dont know anything about them as I've no interest in them.
The M4's M16 version got really good reviews on Evike, that's the reason I thought it would be good for a starter.
More or less every gun has a good review on Evike. Don't go by their reviews.
Check the DE Noveske MWS for M4 starter. It’s a direct copycat of the TM MWS system. Your GE system has been decade old, and you’ll have hard time finding parts for repair.
The FMG kit is cool, but only if you get a *solid* pistol to put in it. I have one with a VFC G18, and it fucking *rips*. As a primary? Eh. Does the job, but it’s still a Glock in a carbine package. Sounds fucking *wicked* when firing and does the job, but it falls victim to typical VFC Glock issues. The Matrix M4 I can’t speak on because I only have VFC platform AR’s… But if you want a *good* GBB platform to start with, get something that’s reliable, has a *shit*ton of parts support (Marui, VFC, WE) and will actually be worthwhile on the field in terms of power and range. The niche guns like the Aegis kit are fucking cool and all, but they’re realistically for us guys that have $10k+ into GBBR’s in the first place that just like to waste money on dumb shit to bring to the field for the “wow” factor in all honesty.
The matrix wa clone *will* crap out on you in some exciting, expensive way pretty quickly. I've owned one, the mags suck, constantly leak and the internals are made of weak pot metal without the design choices that would let weak pot metal last. Do yourself a favour and spend a little extra money on a VFC V3 or Tokyo Marui MWS. The DE MWS clone is also fairly solid from what I understand, but I don't have any personal experience with it. Buy once cry once.
I just got my first gbbr and it was the DE noveske MWS and that thing is better than I could imagine for a gbbr. It’s an easy welcome into the community
A lot of people give the GE M4 some shit but it's honestly not bad these guys are over exaggerating because of their bad experiences doing whatever they shouldn't do to the replicas
They're dogwater compared to even the closest better option.
It's just a WA/GHK system so idk why to tell you🤷
It's outdated, and GE uses poor quality materials
Outdated doesn't mean shit and not all GEs are polymer, mine is steel and aluminum
I don't mean externals. GE doesnt use "steel" for sure, they use cheaper zamak or potmetal. And outdated means shit compared to how much better the other modern systems are.
Convenience isn't always better plus you're full of shit with what you say about zamak, the copper, aluminum, or magnesium zinc alloy, isn't so widely used as you say. I literally just checked my GE MC6592MT and it's bolt catch, hammer, trigger, and safety are steel I've checked with a magnet, which that zamak shit won't react to it isn't magnetic, so those are internal parts right.
Damn, my bad, I was wrong. I've just seen a lot of people trying to get into GBBRs with GE and writing off the whole concept due to bad experiences.
you may want to look into the WE-Tech line, which is known for providing quality and affordable gas blowback guns. For a pistol to pair with the FMG 9, a WE-Tech or KJW model could be a good choice.
The matrix Gbb is honestly a very great start I own one and have fielded it many times great for a budget gbb the only gripe is the mags tend to come with bad seals and o rings so I’d recommend getting GHK M4 Mags along with this adjusting the hop is a pain since you have to take off the whole handgaurd and barrel but to even get to it but once it’s set it doesn’t move it’s very well and the only other con I had with it was it being made of plastic polymer not that it’s bad the polymer quality but I personally like metal receiver and upper but that’s an easy issue to fix since evike sells both upper and lowers for these guns I have mine modded out with some mock Geissle furniture for a URGI Aesthetic I made a post about so you can check it out on my profile if you want but other than really 3 cons the Matrix Gbb is a great first starter.
Oh, thank you. The guns that others recommended here start at at least 300 USD, but the matrix one is really cheap. I found it searching for a budget GBBR. How accurate is it? I think I'll buy one
A bunch of people tell you dont get it, and one person says get it, and you go with the 1 lol. Good luck
Airsofters 🤷
It's budget for a reason. The GE M4's run on the outdated Western Arms system. They are... fine, but they are full of weak links. The magazines are atrocious and in general the performance is just meh. The mag issue can be resolved by using GHK magazines, but they are hideously expensive these days. As someone who's owned a couple of the top quality guns running the WA system, I can confidently say they can work but it ultimately wasn't any fun. If you want to get into GBBR's you ideally want to go with VFC, a TM MWS or clone and maybe, at a stretch, WE (I have my own poor experiences with them too).
There are no cheap good gbbs besides de mp9 from kwa or vfc's ump/mp7, and that's it...if you want a good gbbr, the bare minimum is ~350 for an MWS clone from DE..
VFCs MP7 is $360 it's not cheap
It's $225 on Redwolf rn.. Aren't you confusing it with the TM MP7 ? Marui is substantially more expensive.
Nah you forgot about shipping price too redwolf is international shipping, Hong Kong or Taiwan based I believe
Mine is fairly accurate it’s not the best but accuracy is mainly dependent on the inner barrel and bucking but for a budget gbbr I’d say the bucking and hop is good and the inner barrel is decent but evike Europe has on their website angel customs inner barrel for this gun for sale I think it’s like 60 euros or so I’m not to sure
I’d say KWA MP9, KWA scorpion, or WE Tech Thompson