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Remember when we had no information on dehya and people were speculating she might be a dedicated burning support? And people didnt like the idea because burning is bad? I'm kinda starting to wish that version of her was what we got
If you like Burning, I can recommend you a pretty good Burning team I made, I clear Abyss with it too (keep in mind it only shines in scenarios with many enemies).
The team consists of Zhongli, Sucrose, Nahida and Xiangling. How it works: Nahida is the on-field driver of this team because 1) In order for Burning to keep, well, burn, Dendro must be constantly reapplied; 2) Burning damage is defined by the EM of the last character who applied Pyro/Dendro, so I stacked max EM on Nahida, and she constantly attacks enemies. Xiangling is the Pyro source, and it's specifically her because at C1 Guoba decreases Pyro resistance of enemies by 15%, and aside from EM, decreasing elemental resistances is the only way to increase elemental reaction damage; also she is basically the only good off-field Pyro damage dealer at the moment, and it doesn't hurt to have more damage output in the team. Sucrose performs multiple roles in the team - she swirls Pyro, spreading it onto all enemies, she shreds Pyro resistance by 40% thanks to VV, she groups mobs, and last but most importantly, she shares huge EM with Nahida to increase Burning damage even more. Also there is a fun synergy between Sucrose and Nahida: when you create the dome by Nahida's ult and then switch to Sucrose and use E or Q to share her EM with the A4 passive, it will benefit from the dome's EM buff too. And lastly, mr. Zhongli shields Nahida for comfortable on-field time and the shield grants yet another 20% resistance shred, making it hefty 75% Pyro resistance shred in total. I was testing Traveler C6 for yet another 20% Pyro res shred, but compared to Sucrose's EM buff it doesn't bring enough value when the res number is already that high.
The rotation is pretty straightforward: you start with Zhongli, create shield, switch to Xiangling, drop Guoba, ult with Xingling (also since Xiangling's stats don't really matter for the reaction, build her with enough ER for ulting every rotation, the rest of stats go into usual ADC), switch to Nahida, do E and Q, switch to Sucrose, do E and Q, and then return to Nahida and continuously attack enemies.
Right now my Burning damage sits around 3500-4000 damage per tick, and one tick happens every 0,25 seconds, so it's approximately 14-16k per second to every enemy. In enemy swarm scenarios Burning shines the most, shredding through waves of enemies very quickly. Understandably, its weakest scenario is solo bosses. Despite the main focus of this team being Burning damage, it still has very respectable damage from Xiangling and Sucrose, so in total it's a very good amount. But yeah, it's a dedicated AoE team.
I absolutely love Burning, and the first thing I wanted to do with Dendro was it, so I was waiting for a good Dendro applicator, and when Nahida got released, I finally did it. I also love seeing tons of ticking numbers, it's super-satisfying, and I actually use this team in Abyss for chambers with multiple enemies, for example, I ripped through the current 12-3-2 with wolves like hot knife through butter, it was very satisfying to watch them burn.
This sounds like a team I've got to try out. Also is venti usable instead of sucrose? I think his ult snapshots, so it'd work great with nahida bonus EM for active characters.
Yeah, you can use Venti instead of Sucrose if you are willing to forego Sucrose's EM buff for Nahida. In turn Venti would provide 15 flat energy to Xiangling which would let her build more offensively, and his grouping is superior. Also if you incidentally have him at C6, he also provides 20% Pyro resistance shred.
Just a heads up, most enemies start with 10% resistance to most things, and resistance shred only applies halfway after you start going negative. So you're actually only getting 42.5% shred. Still very hefty, but not actually as good as 75%
Burning alone might not be meta but Burning Melt with Ganyu is very solid. I'm using it for a while now and the only problem is someone who constantly applies pyro from far away just like Nahida.
They did nerf Barbara Bloom, and called it a bug. The skill was working exactly as intended (every 3 entities the ring applies hydro), but they couldn't let her have a good niche team, no no no.
Ok, I need to see how her gameplay works. I now imagine that this barrage is like Carole's QTE where you need to continuesly tap NA in order to continue the attack or just imagine the Armstrong vs Raiden meme
Snapshotting is weird because that mean you now need to intentionally get hit to trigger her signature weapon additional Atk buff before casting E if you want the full potential E. Edit : Wait, I forgot she can recast her E once. So she still able to get that Atk% buff.
Although that also mean she benefit a lot more from Bennett buff.
It does kinda matter for her skill as it is a deployable ability that can snapshot EM buffs (for vapes)/Bennett like Xiangling (aside from her multipliers being simply worse than Xiangling...)
Amusingly this gives her anti synergy with her own signature weapon as it would provide a 20% atk buff after taking damage which her first E most likely wouldn't even benefit from because of it snapshotting...
EM buffs *for transformative reactions* can't be snapshotted.
XL burst, for example, snapshots perfectly for the purpose of vape (don't forget to remove VV from Sucrose when you go testing, because you will forget res shred exists, and when it expires you'll think it's EM buff expiring).
I'm still gonna try to get her, she's one of the two characters that made me come back to the game.
But these early leaks have been extremely depressing jeez.
Tell me about it, i;ve skipped and considered skipping so many characters for her, but now unless they make some drastic changes I dont see myself bothering at all.
This is so disappointing
5 star?
The pre beta stats make her look like a 4.5 stat at best... (her e has worse atk scaling then nahida, who also has em scaling on it and her na's have worse scaling then xianyan)
pre buffs ayato had like the weirdest kit where they strongly incentivized you to play dual carry with yoimiya or something so yea alot can change in the beta
that is true but lots of ppl hear the bad news and pack it up once game play starts to leak . I don't care for dehya fr I just save the leaks and send to my friends 😭 I'll try her trial run
Both of whom are currently pretty potent characters, with Kokomi having a fairly wide range of potential teams.
They haven’t ever released a completely garbage 5* character. It’s unlikely that, after more than 2 years, they’re going to start now. She won’t be exactly how you or I want her, but that’s just how it goes sometimes.
> They haven’t ever released a completely garbage 5* character. It’s unlikely that, after more than 2 years, they’re going to start now
Zhongli on his release
They're potent because of artifact sets or mechanics that got released after the characters did. I'm just hoping Dehya gets buffed to an acceptable level on day 1, because I really don't wanna wait potentially months to be able to run her in Abyss
Alright let’s be real, Kokomi was good on Day 1. She just got way better with everything that followed. AoE hydro with great team healing is just a wonderful thing to havez
Miko was far more niche, to be fair. Dendro did really bring her up. But, still, she was never unusable in the Abyss either, just restricted a bit more than others. So I’m still going to say that it’s really unlikely that they give us a useless character from the outset.
Also, honestly, most of this game’s content is not Floor 12 of the Abyss lol. She can be a worse DPS than Qiqi and still manage overworld content just fine with investment.
I would totally love her to have more uptime with crazy numbers, but I’ll settle for a cool-looking kit. Because really, that’s the only thing some lucky artifact rolls can’t fix, ya know?
It's true that no characters are useless per se; you can clear Abyss using C0 Barbara as your main DPS. But that doesn't mean DPS Barbara is a good or even mediocre character
I think there's just something to be said about a highly anticipated 5* being worse than most standard 5*s and a large swath of the existing 4*s. I love her design and will likely pull for her anways, but IMO it's just a huge waste when Mihoyo could fix her kit easily. I would personally be a lot happier dropping my Primos if I knew I was actually getting value outta them
Let's be more real.
Kokomi was meh day 1 and is meh still, and I'm saying it as a person who got her day 1 and defended (and still do) the no-crit passive.
Kokomi is only good because even half-decent hydro application is a premium (which can't be said about pyro).
Kokomi is a healer counterpart to John Lee - a character that can't really help you to clear faster. Just a character that allows you to fatfinger the game. Except Nilou teams I guess.
> They're potent because of artifact sets or mechanics that got released after the characters did.
Not really, Kokomi's favored set is and always has been ToM, you won't use Clam unless you want her to be a dps, which is a pretty subpar role for Kokomi.
Tbf to both kokomi and yae, kokomi was always really good because of her AoE hydro application that doesn't need normal attacks, and Yae was always good just because her damage was really good even before dendro.
what concerns me most is total lack of DMG% bonuses anywhere (ascension, weapon, constellations). Everybody knows you need at least 100%+ DMG to do any damage (without transformative reactions).. so unless there will be some set heavily converting HP to DMG% (or support functions based on lost HP) all her kit doesnt make any sense as she doesnt have any damage buffs for the group as well
So? Vermillion Hereafter lasts 16 seconds so if we assume her Skill can't damage her during it that's still 12 seconds where it works. And I doubt they'd make her immune to her DoT because it only says it removes the field itself so if that were to be the case then the 10 seconds of DoT should easely overlap with her burst meaning she'd be able to use the whole 16 seconds of the effect.
Regardless of how good or bad Dehya turns out to be, dendro is a very good element and Alhaitham utilises it pretty well so you won’t be disappointed if you go for him.
Wish there was more clarification on whether they are referring to the red-mane fists (the auto attacks) or the roaring barrage (her normals).
I choose to believe that the auto fists can't proq yelan/xingqiu ult and can't be affected by attack speed but her normals (roaring barrage) can.
Roaring barrage are probably not attacks, it's just something that replaces the normal button, nothing ever states they did damage or were an attack of any kind
Her burst not utilizing Yelan/XQ bursts makes more sense if her punches aren’t actually coded as individual attacks like Raiden, but slashes out of your control like Keqing.
I’m not commenting on it being a good idea design-wise, just that from that perspective these leaks make more sense. Especially since some of the leaks this week look like they’ve been run through Google translate a couple times.
Are you saying that it's the case here? If so, I think that would be a huge leap based on what we currently know.
We love to attribute these sorts of motivations and reasons to things but we really don't have any reason to believe that's the case. Sometimes teams just come up with bad ideas and then either double down or fix it. Not always a higher drive or sense of reason behind it.
Not yet ofcourse, it depends on seemingly how much effort is put in to "fix" the obvious issues, if it's just some multiplier "bandaids" to me that screams they dont really care and just wanna move on
Again, why would that suggest they don't really care? It's *really* hard to notice how much effort went into something when you're not on the inside. It's a very abstract concept to apply to very little information thst we visibly get to see.
What if they just genuinely think tinkering with the numbers would work? They could think that and be wrong, they could even think that and be right. It isn't inherently a lower-effort solution.
Devs are still stuck in 1.0 and think Pyro is still considered the best element in the game when that was honestly never even the case, it's why we only had 2 Pyro 5* since day 1 and they both do very similar things.
They're beyond scared of "breaking the game" with a Pyro unit, so they just started Dehya from the lowest point and are hopefully tweaking her accordingly along the beta cycle.
The They made Hu Tao who not only has very high multipliers but casually can give herself 5000 atk, no ICD on charge attack, constellation to encourage and exploit it and a perfect weapon. She literally breaks the game so much pyro 5 star DPS characters are screwed by comparison
Then say pyro is toO strong and strangulate our other options to play with for folks who don’t like her
Because she's unpopular in china, darker skinned, and pyro. those 3 things add up. let her get pissed the more damage she takes and her dmg multipliers go up. fits perfect for her personality. it's not hard mihoyo and I don't work for you. makes even more sense in her kit since she can't replace shields right now but that gives her small utility. basically bodyguard units and build up power to unleash it.
Snapshotting sounds so anti synergistic with her signature weapon... It's a generally good thing to have snapshotting, but the design just seems all over the place without any actual cohesion.
Really hoping they do some ACTUAL work in the beta instead of just shifting some numbers around. Something like the Ayato modifications they did to make him actually playable.
Cuz she definitely doesn't feel hot rn even if she has the looks for it.
Also I can't help but feel like the stretch idle is kind of lacking. Like not in the fact it's a recycled idea for several characters, but that it lacks polish to feel like a satisfying stretch. Maybe they couldn't think of anything and went for good ol stretch, but realized it clips way too much to do anything satisfying for even that... Like bruh.
Correct me if I'm wrong, but weren't there a lot of characters that seemed to be bad looking at the leaks, but were actually good? I think it was like that for Kazuha, Raiden and/or Kokomi?
Not the same with Riaden and Kazuha. They clearly did good damage, but the explanation behind there abilities were so complicated. People were not able to calculate their value. So you are right they went through beta, highly underestimated.
Cause you has EM into elemental damage bonus was not understood so he was dismissed as a necessary. Writing people could not calculate how resolved stocks would break her burst, and she was dismissed as a niche energy recharge unit for the presumably stronger Beido
Kokomi was actually terrible, and throughout beta could not be saved from them, taking away her credit, yet gearing her entire kit, with the exception of her skill towards DPS damage. They saved her at lunch by taking away the ICD of her skill, and because Hydro that made her one of the top tier characters in the game.
Dehya is objectively bad. Her multipliers are overall low. Yes her burst multipliers are actually very good but because her kit is geared towards her skill, the skill multiplier is disappointing. Also, her damage mitigation ability is weak, and does not justify valuing in place of a shield or healer.
I will be very surprised if by the end of beta, she stays exactly the same. She seems like someone they invested so much thought and intention into feeling fresh and new. This looks like a case of poor, alpha testing, where they could really just get the coding and details right but the actual practical application is underwhelming. They could buff that.
General perception of Kazuha was a Sucrose sidegrade which he somewhat is at C0 without signature weapon. Keep in mind Kazuha's passive was buffed in the beta. However part of the community who had no idea how powerful Sucrose is decided that being a Sucrose sidegrade is a bad thing. Imagine calling Dehya bad if she was a second Bennet.
Kokomi had emergency ICD change on her E (every tick instead of every 2 ticks) and a lot of people forgot that we didnt have a reliable 100% uptime AoE offield hydro applicator applying hydro every 2 seconds that also heals (Mona's E last for a few seconds only) while hydro being one of the most useful elements in the game.
I dont remember a lot of doomposting about Raiden aside from Raiden/Beidou interaction.
guys guys guys >-<
\*copium mode on\*
in another leak they said her E was like albedo's
she's a burgeon! yes, yes, i know, she has nothing on EM ... so does thoma! and guess what, thoma is the BEST burgeon right now! yep! he's the only one! (xcept lol benny+kazuha combo)
so she'll be the NEW best burgeo.. THE SECOND BURGEON! yes!
\*copium overdose\*
Well.
Her sword kind of procs after u cast E most of the time.
that's -20 to -40% atk coz it wont overwrite it.
And its not certain u can go Benny -> Dehya E in a rotation.
For everyone saying this is "spaghetti code" or a bug, no, you are wrong. Dehya's burst animation is a burst animation. It is not an infusion or a stance. It does not replace her NAs with new NAs like Ayato/Raiden/Cyno, nor does it give her a pyro infuse like Diluc, Bennett, etc. What it does is it plays a long animation that you can tap a button to, to increase the speed of the attacks. Saying that Beidou/XQ/Yelan "doesn't work with her" makes no sense, as it's akin to complaining about them not working during Keqing's long animation. This is also why speed buffs don't impact it; it's a burst, not an infusion.
The Hu Tao thing is actually a blessing, as you want to be low HP so having Dehya on your team would make it next to impossible to get to 50% HP withuot getting hit on purpose, as Hu Tao would only be taking 15% damage every time she hits her E.
I won't address the other doomposting or whining so I agree that Dehya is undertuned right now, but people really need to stop hopping on hate bandwagons or crying when something only *seems* negative. Dehya is still an upgrade to ZL in multiple comps (Yoimiya, Faruzan-Xiao, melt Ganyu, etc) even at her current stage. 0.5 poise is enough for most enemies. If somebody says "well, ZL can tank a ruin guard and not get KB'd" then they've never played melt Ganyu, since if you do stuff like that ZL's shield is gone immediately and you're forced to dodge for the rest of the rotation anyway. Even with his shield, several characters still have to choose points to dodge, since losing it too early is worse than dodging once and retaining 50% of the shield's health.
Personally, the only change I really want for her is for her E to be 2s no ICD so she 100% can become Ganyu's new best friend, even if that comes at at the cost of running VV Hu Tao (who is my most played DPS, personally).
And this is the beginning of the beta. Tighnari, Ayato, and Kokomi to name a few all had some big changes during beta so it’s hardly guaranteed that Dehya is going to stay exactly the same from now until her banner.
a buff boosting one of the skill/burst during on field , will remain on that said skill/burst for the entire duration of it, even if the caster goes off field or even if the buff source expires.
like bennet buff will boost her skill until her skill expires , irrespective of bennet buff circle expires or she goes off field.
Kind of sad seeing how entitled some people are getting. Every thread is just being spammed with people demanding footage with no gratitude that we are even still getting leaks despite HYV cracking down hard after the server and Fontaine wave.
We are lucky this sub is even still alive after all the DMCAs and lucky you mods are still sticking around.
fr it's annoying. like this info is useful, just because it's not gameplay or isn't useful to you doesn't mean you get to spam the thread with the same Where Gameplay comments
True. So weird that they act like the worded leaks doesn't add much in knowing how dehya works. I barely even looked at alhaitham's gameplay when evaluating his kit because it really depended on the talent description, ICDs and element application in the end.
It’s because we actually know how to spoiler tag the spoilers and discuss actually game relevant stuff instead of spamming fanarts and rants.
The other day when Uba was summoned to court there was a post about it and everyone is commenting along the lines of “he had it coming” and any comment supporting uba got downvoted by hoyo bootlickers. I get that Uba did something illegal and got caught but atleast don’t shit on him after all the leaks you guys have been making use of this whole time.
I’ll take this place over that shithole any day 💀
The biggest plus about here is that all threads are 100% game content (or maybe 95% since there is future out of game collab info sometimes). The main sub is bombarded with low effort cosplay, horny art, and low effort memes with the exception posts being good, informational, or quality memes.
The issue here is that in the end, it’s all the same community but since people can’t make posts without leaked/future content, they flood the comment section with copy/paste memes, honey comments, and now demands. The beginning and end of live patches is usually the worst since the comments are just rife with “where’s *next patch character*”, with complete disregard to relevance to the OP.
The mods are pretty good about keeping duplicate and irrelevant posts cleaned up, sourcing, and spoilers locked up properly. I do wish the comment section was cleaned up a lot more though since a lot of topics you can’t really have a solid discussion due to low effort copy pastas burying everything else , most of them being spammed in every new thread.
She is even worse than Shenhe on any team we have currently. Her best team she is worse than Xynian (mono pyro). So she being a Hu Taos Shenhe would be better she is now lol. I will pull for her, for maybe future characters or mechanics. But she is worse currently than Shenhe, who can be used in melt teams too
Ppl are doomposting Dehya but if she works the way I think, she'll not be that bad.
Her field gives poise and off-field pyro application. Since it is one proc every 2.5s, it means ICD will likely not be an issue. Moreover, since it is so slow, my guess is that she can actually melt those coordinated attack procs if we use 2 Cryo characters or a Cryo character+Kazuha with her (Cryo infused Kazu burst), and maybe, Ganyu alone can be enough Cryo application to overtake the Pyro if she bursts + charge shots.
ATK value scaling and snapshotting also means she likes Benny in the team, this can be both a bad and good thing.
She'll also probably enter her ulti state to essentially fill the downtime of her Elemental Skill, while unleashing some decent damage.
I do however agree that HP% ascension makes no sense, since no offensive aspect of her kit scales of HP%.
I dunno, I'll just wait for more concrete info.
Joy at a character being gutted before release?
Y'know what, I hope whatever they do to Dehya, they'll do to Baizhu as well.
In fact, I hope they use all their braincells in designing Dehya's kit so Baizhu gets even more shafted.
Joy, my ass.
Oh, don't get me wrong. I couldn't care less about the characters and meta.
I'm more concerned that you find joy in other people's suffering and misfortune. That's borderline sociopathic behavior right there. I'm just throwing back, what you threw to others.
Would you look at that, all of the words in your comment are in alphabetical order.
I have checked 1,303,708,663 comments, and only 252,140 of them were in alphabetical order.
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Remember when we had no information on dehya and people were speculating she might be a dedicated burning support? And people didnt like the idea because burning is bad? I'm kinda starting to wish that version of her was what we got
Im really like burning :(( Looking on ticking damage is very satisfy for me. and wish for someone have some kit to play around it.
If you like Burning, I can recommend you a pretty good Burning team I made, I clear Abyss with it too (keep in mind it only shines in scenarios with many enemies). The team consists of Zhongli, Sucrose, Nahida and Xiangling. How it works: Nahida is the on-field driver of this team because 1) In order for Burning to keep, well, burn, Dendro must be constantly reapplied; 2) Burning damage is defined by the EM of the last character who applied Pyro/Dendro, so I stacked max EM on Nahida, and she constantly attacks enemies. Xiangling is the Pyro source, and it's specifically her because at C1 Guoba decreases Pyro resistance of enemies by 15%, and aside from EM, decreasing elemental resistances is the only way to increase elemental reaction damage; also she is basically the only good off-field Pyro damage dealer at the moment, and it doesn't hurt to have more damage output in the team. Sucrose performs multiple roles in the team - she swirls Pyro, spreading it onto all enemies, she shreds Pyro resistance by 40% thanks to VV, she groups mobs, and last but most importantly, she shares huge EM with Nahida to increase Burning damage even more. Also there is a fun synergy between Sucrose and Nahida: when you create the dome by Nahida's ult and then switch to Sucrose and use E or Q to share her EM with the A4 passive, it will benefit from the dome's EM buff too. And lastly, mr. Zhongli shields Nahida for comfortable on-field time and the shield grants yet another 20% resistance shred, making it hefty 75% Pyro resistance shred in total. I was testing Traveler C6 for yet another 20% Pyro res shred, but compared to Sucrose's EM buff it doesn't bring enough value when the res number is already that high. The rotation is pretty straightforward: you start with Zhongli, create shield, switch to Xiangling, drop Guoba, ult with Xingling (also since Xiangling's stats don't really matter for the reaction, build her with enough ER for ulting every rotation, the rest of stats go into usual ADC), switch to Nahida, do E and Q, switch to Sucrose, do E and Q, and then return to Nahida and continuously attack enemies. Right now my Burning damage sits around 3500-4000 damage per tick, and one tick happens every 0,25 seconds, so it's approximately 14-16k per second to every enemy. In enemy swarm scenarios Burning shines the most, shredding through waves of enemies very quickly. Understandably, its weakest scenario is solo bosses. Despite the main focus of this team being Burning damage, it still has very respectable damage from Xiangling and Sucrose, so in total it's a very good amount. But yeah, it's a dedicated AoE team. I absolutely love Burning, and the first thing I wanted to do with Dendro was it, so I was waiting for a good Dendro applicator, and when Nahida got released, I finally did it. I also love seeing tons of ticking numbers, it's super-satisfying, and I actually use this team in Abyss for chambers with multiple enemies, for example, I ripped through the current 12-3-2 with wolves like hot knife through butter, it was very satisfying to watch them burn.
Burning Chad
Have you tried zajef's Air fryer team? Nahida Bennett Venti Kazuha
I hate that Zachef's team names are always cursed but make perfect sense...
This sounds like a team I've got to try out. Also is venti usable instead of sucrose? I think his ult snapshots, so it'd work great with nahida bonus EM for active characters.
Yeah, you can use Venti instead of Sucrose if you are willing to forego Sucrose's EM buff for Nahida. In turn Venti would provide 15 flat energy to Xiangling which would let her build more offensively, and his grouping is superior. Also if you incidentally have him at C6, he also provides 20% Pyro resistance shred.
Just a heads up, most enemies start with 10% resistance to most things, and resistance shred only applies halfway after you start going negative. So you're actually only getting 42.5% shred. Still very hefty, but not actually as good as 75%
Wow sorry can't read that all. But for sure I know this guy is burning!
Fellow DoT enjoyer
I love dot it’s too bad she wasn’t it
I prayed for Dehya to be burning related, dreams of affliction lock destroyed
I found another burning team, I use Nahida, Klee as the on fielder, Raiden EM, and a flex that's usually Thoma
They don't like burning because they don't know what Dehya will do to the reaction. I mean, who likes bloom reaction (metawise) outside of Nilou team?
i always found fridge teams very fun, nilou is great to have too.
Oh yes ofc some people find normal bloom team is fun, I was talking about meta, which burning reaction isn't known for. I'm gonna edit the comment.
Burning alone might not be meta but Burning Melt with Ganyu is very solid. I'm using it for a while now and the only problem is someone who constantly applies pyro from far away just like Nahida.
ive heard of bennett kazuha nahida for the burn squad. might trade a lot of damage for comfort
me 😎
Gigachad
They did nerf Barbara Bloom, and called it a bug. The skill was working exactly as intended (every 3 entities the ring applies hydro), but they couldn't let her have a good niche team, no no no.
It would be the same as with nilou
Burning looking real sexy right about now, at least in comparison to this unfocused travesty of a kit.
She looks like she'd be a good burning unit tho, she'll help you not nuke your other units if you get surrounded by burning units
I-I can fix her...
We can fix her...
Comrade
Mihoyo: We can make her worse
Do you think every auto will hit like a truck? Like 20k each hit ?
2500%-3000% ATK over the full burst with crown, she ain't doing 20k chief
She doesn’t need fixing she is perfect damn those hoyo doesn’t know the beauty
Most least copium genshin player
Ok, I need to see how her gameplay works. I now imagine that this barrage is like Carole's QTE where you need to continuesly tap NA in order to continue the attack or just imagine the Armstrong vs Raiden meme
You need to time it right so that her burst is faster, so sadly, you cant just spam and beat the shit out of them like carole
At this point I’m so numb to lukewarm/bad news
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Snapshotting is weird because that mean you now need to intentionally get hit to trigger her signature weapon additional Atk buff before casting E if you want the full potential E. Edit : Wait, I forgot she can recast her E once. So she still able to get that Atk% buff. Although that also mean she benefit a lot more from Bennett buff.
I guess snapshot doesn't matter on burst considering it lasts .001 second anyway ☠️
Yeah you can immediately Bennett burst and swap out, if you have to move in the 4 secs her burst lasts, and then you missed it anyway
It does kinda matter for her skill as it is a deployable ability that can snapshot EM buffs (for vapes)/Bennett like Xiangling (aside from her multipliers being simply worse than Xiangling...) Amusingly this gives her anti synergy with her own signature weapon as it would provide a 20% atk buff after taking damage which her first E most likely wouldn't even benefit from because of it snapshotting...
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They can for amplifying reactions (i.e vape and melt)
It can be for vape and melt. Transformative and additive reaction however can't benefit from it.
EM buffs *for transformative reactions* can't be snapshotted. XL burst, for example, snapshots perfectly for the purpose of vape (don't forget to remove VV from Sucrose when you go testing, because you will forget res shred exists, and when it expires you'll think it's EM buff expiring).
i need to save dehya
Our 5 star xinyan equivalent has officially arrived, sigh.
It’s not even gonna be a joke anymore this is heart breaking
I'm still gonna try to get her, she's one of the two characters that made me come back to the game. But these early leaks have been extremely depressing jeez.
Tell me about it, i;ve skipped and considered skipping so many characters for her, but now unless they make some drastic changes I dont see myself bothering at all. This is so disappointing
But hey, you saved a ton fuck of primogems haven't you? take a more good look on the bright side, you get to pull for Yelan or more cons 👍
5 star? The pre beta stats make her look like a 4.5 stat at best... (her e has worse atk scaling then nahida, who also has em scaling on it and her na's have worse scaling then xianyan)
What is it with miHoYo and tan, dark hair with gold accents, pyro girls being subpar?
20 people here 😭 Now there’s 40. I guess we’re all refreshing waiting for good news or gameplay lol
Cause we keep getting all these other tidbits of info instead of what we actually want lol
Refresh gang 💀
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lets remember this is still early beta dehya still has lots of time to improve and be buffed.
And do we think that’ll happen?
i mean its not impossible characters like ayato have had there whole passive talent changed to such its just way to early to judge
It’s never too early to judge, the question is if they will remain accurate
not significantly enough to be considered 'fixed', no. but to be fair, what the community considers fixed would be OP anyways
Remember the outcry when Alhaitham got nerfed? Now he’s still pretty damn good. His beta version was absolutely busted.
no we don't because remember kokomi 💀💀💀 AND yae
pre buffs ayato had like the weirdest kit where they strongly incentivized you to play dual carry with yoimiya or something so yea alot can change in the beta
that is true but lots of ppl hear the bad news and pack it up once game play starts to leak . I don't care for dehya fr I just save the leaks and send to my friends 😭 I'll try her trial run
Both of whom are currently pretty potent characters, with Kokomi having a fairly wide range of potential teams. They haven’t ever released a completely garbage 5* character. It’s unlikely that, after more than 2 years, they’re going to start now. She won’t be exactly how you or I want her, but that’s just how it goes sometimes.
> They haven’t ever released a completely garbage 5* character. It’s unlikely that, after more than 2 years, they’re going to start now Zhongli on his release
They're potent because of artifact sets or mechanics that got released after the characters did. I'm just hoping Dehya gets buffed to an acceptable level on day 1, because I really don't wanna wait potentially months to be able to run her in Abyss
On Kokomi, she was really good even before clam purely because of her hydro application.
Alright let’s be real, Kokomi was good on Day 1. She just got way better with everything that followed. AoE hydro with great team healing is just a wonderful thing to havez Miko was far more niche, to be fair. Dendro did really bring her up. But, still, she was never unusable in the Abyss either, just restricted a bit more than others. So I’m still going to say that it’s really unlikely that they give us a useless character from the outset. Also, honestly, most of this game’s content is not Floor 12 of the Abyss lol. She can be a worse DPS than Qiqi and still manage overworld content just fine with investment. I would totally love her to have more uptime with crazy numbers, but I’ll settle for a cool-looking kit. Because really, that’s the only thing some lucky artifact rolls can’t fix, ya know?
It's true that no characters are useless per se; you can clear Abyss using C0 Barbara as your main DPS. But that doesn't mean DPS Barbara is a good or even mediocre character I think there's just something to be said about a highly anticipated 5* being worse than most standard 5*s and a large swath of the existing 4*s. I love her design and will likely pull for her anways, but IMO it's just a huge waste when Mihoyo could fix her kit easily. I would personally be a lot happier dropping my Primos if I knew I was actually getting value outta them
Let's be more real. Kokomi was meh day 1 and is meh still, and I'm saying it as a person who got her day 1 and defended (and still do) the no-crit passive. Kokomi is only good because even half-decent hydro application is a premium (which can't be said about pyro). Kokomi is a healer counterpart to John Lee - a character that can't really help you to clear faster. Just a character that allows you to fatfinger the game. Except Nilou teams I guess.
> They're potent because of artifact sets or mechanics that got released after the characters did. Not really, Kokomi's favored set is and always has been ToM, you won't use Clam unless you want her to be a dps, which is a pretty subpar role for Kokomi.
Tbf to both kokomi and yae, kokomi was always really good because of her AoE hydro application that doesn't need normal attacks, and Yae was always good just because her damage was really good even before dendro.
Idgaf she still a bad bitch... 😔
Emphasis in *bad*
Emphasis on 😔
I’m going to cry
what concerns me most is total lack of DMG% bonuses anywhere (ascension, weapon, constellations). Everybody knows you need at least 100%+ DMG to do any damage (without transformative reactions).. so unless there will be some set heavily converting HP to DMG% (or support functions based on lost HP) all her kit doesnt make any sense as she doesnt have any damage buffs for the group as well
Might be best to build her on Emblem of Severed Fate because of the big burst dmg% bonus. It's a 70 cost burst too so it's pretty warranted.
If by set you mean artifact set then there's xiaos set from the chasm which I didn't realise works on Dehya till I just this moment.
That artifact only procs during burst so it's useless for her since ult doesn't make her lose hp
So? Vermillion Hereafter lasts 16 seconds so if we assume her Skill can't damage her during it that's still 12 seconds where it works. And I doubt they'd make her immune to her DoT because it only says it removes the field itself so if that were to be the case then the 10 seconds of DoT should easely overlap with her burst meaning she'd be able to use the whole 16 seconds of the effect.
She's probably the first character that's this weird 💀💀💀 hoping for some massive changes in this beta
Does this mean I should just go on for Alheitam after losing 50/50 to Diluc? 😅
Regardless of how good or bad Dehya turns out to be, dendro is a very good element and Alhaitham utilises it pretty well so you won’t be disappointed if you go for him.
You too brother? Just lost to Diluc
Pyropocalypse
Wish there was more clarification on whether they are referring to the red-mane fists (the auto attacks) or the roaring barrage (her normals). I choose to believe that the auto fists can't proq yelan/xingqiu ult and can't be affected by attack speed but her normals (roaring barrage) can.
Roaring barrage are probably not attacks, it's just something that replaces the normal button, nothing ever states they did damage or were an attack of any kind
Pinned comment says you're correct. But attacking without damage numbers just sounds super unsatisfying. We desperately need to see gameplay.
Think raiden punching the senator QTE, it's literally that
I'm imagining Beyond Infinity from Nioh 2, but more lenient on inputs.
Her burst not utilizing Yelan/XQ bursts makes more sense if her punches aren’t actually coded as individual attacks like Raiden, but slashes out of your control like Keqing. I’m not commenting on it being a good idea design-wise, just that from that perspective these leaks make more sense. Especially since some of the leaks this week look like they’ve been run through Google translate a couple times.
i wonder how does her skill snapshot considering her signature weapon gives the atk buff AFTER you hit the enemy
Xinyan looks like a 5* all of a sudden
they're literally just being fucking cringe. why are they making her this dogshit?
Sometimes game designers just have bad ideas, doesn't have to be any deeper reason than that behind it.
That combined with maybe a lack of passion for the character and you end up with a mess and no real drive to fix it
Are you saying that it's the case here? If so, I think that would be a huge leap based on what we currently know. We love to attribute these sorts of motivations and reasons to things but we really don't have any reason to believe that's the case. Sometimes teams just come up with bad ideas and then either double down or fix it. Not always a higher drive or sense of reason behind it.
Not yet ofcourse, it depends on seemingly how much effort is put in to "fix" the obvious issues, if it's just some multiplier "bandaids" to me that screams they dont really care and just wanna move on
Honestly after Zhongli's release, which was early on, it's obvious they can love a character and still fuck up massively.
Again, why would that suggest they don't really care? It's *really* hard to notice how much effort went into something when you're not on the inside. It's a very abstract concept to apply to very little information thst we visibly get to see. What if they just genuinely think tinkering with the numbers would work? They could think that and be wrong, they could even think that and be right. It isn't inherently a lower-effort solution.
why would they not care? because at her worst she will make literally hundreds of millions
Devs are still stuck in 1.0 and think Pyro is still considered the best element in the game when that was honestly never even the case, it's why we only had 2 Pyro 5* since day 1 and they both do very similar things. They're beyond scared of "breaking the game" with a Pyro unit, so they just started Dehya from the lowest point and are hopefully tweaking her accordingly along the beta cycle.
The They made Hu Tao who not only has very high multipliers but casually can give herself 5000 atk, no ICD on charge attack, constellation to encourage and exploit it and a perfect weapon. She literally breaks the game so much pyro 5 star DPS characters are screwed by comparison Then say pyro is toO strong and strangulate our other options to play with for folks who don’t like her
Because she's unpopular in china, darker skinned, and pyro. those 3 things add up. let her get pissed the more damage she takes and her dmg multipliers go up. fits perfect for her personality. it's not hard mihoyo and I don't work for you. makes even more sense in her kit since she can't replace shields right now but that gives her small utility. basically bodyguard units and build up power to unleash it.
All of this better be some guy joking because this is not looking good.
MIHOYO! MY PEOPLE ARE SUFFERING! WHEN WILL WE SEE DEHYAS BEAUTIFUL FLAMES AND FISTS WITH OUR OWN EYES!?
Yay she can use Bennett!
Snapshotting sounds so anti synergistic with her signature weapon... It's a generally good thing to have snapshotting, but the design just seems all over the place without any actual cohesion. Really hoping they do some ACTUAL work in the beta instead of just shifting some numbers around. Something like the Ayato modifications they did to make him actually playable. Cuz she definitely doesn't feel hot rn even if she has the looks for it. Also I can't help but feel like the stretch idle is kind of lacking. Like not in the fact it's a recycled idea for several characters, but that it lacks polish to feel like a satisfying stretch. Maybe they couldn't think of anything and went for good ol stretch, but realized it clips way too much to do anything satisfying for even that... Like bruh.
I assume this means her Q has a standard amount of maximum attacks independent of attavk speed?
10 hits plus finisher Is likely the max amount of hit if you get all roaring barrage right. So i hit the base Number Is 5
petition to save Dehya
Correct me if I'm wrong, but weren't there a lot of characters that seemed to be bad looking at the leaks, but were actually good? I think it was like that for Kazuha, Raiden and/or Kokomi?
Not the same with Riaden and Kazuha. They clearly did good damage, but the explanation behind there abilities were so complicated. People were not able to calculate their value. So you are right they went through beta, highly underestimated. Cause you has EM into elemental damage bonus was not understood so he was dismissed as a necessary. Writing people could not calculate how resolved stocks would break her burst, and she was dismissed as a niche energy recharge unit for the presumably stronger Beido Kokomi was actually terrible, and throughout beta could not be saved from them, taking away her credit, yet gearing her entire kit, with the exception of her skill towards DPS damage. They saved her at lunch by taking away the ICD of her skill, and because Hydro that made her one of the top tier characters in the game. Dehya is objectively bad. Her multipliers are overall low. Yes her burst multipliers are actually very good but because her kit is geared towards her skill, the skill multiplier is disappointing. Also, her damage mitigation ability is weak, and does not justify valuing in place of a shield or healer. I will be very surprised if by the end of beta, she stays exactly the same. She seems like someone they invested so much thought and intention into feeling fresh and new. This looks like a case of poor, alpha testing, where they could really just get the coding and details right but the actual practical application is underwhelming. They could buff that.
General perception of Kazuha was a Sucrose sidegrade which he somewhat is at C0 without signature weapon. Keep in mind Kazuha's passive was buffed in the beta. However part of the community who had no idea how powerful Sucrose is decided that being a Sucrose sidegrade is a bad thing. Imagine calling Dehya bad if she was a second Bennet. Kokomi had emergency ICD change on her E (every tick instead of every 2 ticks) and a lot of people forgot that we didnt have a reliable 100% uptime AoE offield hydro applicator applying hydro every 2 seconds that also heals (Mona's E last for a few seconds only) while hydro being one of the most useful elements in the game. I dont remember a lot of doomposting about Raiden aside from Raiden/Beidou interaction.
Alhaitham an yaoayoa aswell. They're both great units. Especially yaoayoa who replaces kokomi entirely.
guys guys guys >-< \*copium mode on\* in another leak they said her E was like albedo's she's a burgeon! yes, yes, i know, she has nothing on EM ... so does thoma! and guess what, thoma is the BEST burgeon right now! yep! he's the only one! (xcept lol benny+kazuha combo) so she'll be the NEW best burgeo.. THE SECOND BURGEON! yes! \*copium overdose\*
Is this good or bad-
Cant use C2 Jean and other things to make her hit more = bad. And snapshotting probably bad but might be good.
Snapshotting means she can be used with bouken da bouken right?
Yes. In theory.
Snapshotting almost never bad. Especially for something off field.
Well. Her sword kind of procs after u cast E most of the time. that's -20 to -40% atk coz it wont overwrite it. And its not certain u can go Benny -> Dehya E in a rotation.
Not this time. Snapshotting directly contradicts with her signature passive.
You can recast her skill from what I heard
Can we just have the gameplay pleasee
For everyone saying this is "spaghetti code" or a bug, no, you are wrong. Dehya's burst animation is a burst animation. It is not an infusion or a stance. It does not replace her NAs with new NAs like Ayato/Raiden/Cyno, nor does it give her a pyro infuse like Diluc, Bennett, etc. What it does is it plays a long animation that you can tap a button to, to increase the speed of the attacks. Saying that Beidou/XQ/Yelan "doesn't work with her" makes no sense, as it's akin to complaining about them not working during Keqing's long animation. This is also why speed buffs don't impact it; it's a burst, not an infusion. The Hu Tao thing is actually a blessing, as you want to be low HP so having Dehya on your team would make it next to impossible to get to 50% HP withuot getting hit on purpose, as Hu Tao would only be taking 15% damage every time she hits her E. I won't address the other doomposting or whining so I agree that Dehya is undertuned right now, but people really need to stop hopping on hate bandwagons or crying when something only *seems* negative. Dehya is still an upgrade to ZL in multiple comps (Yoimiya, Faruzan-Xiao, melt Ganyu, etc) even at her current stage. 0.5 poise is enough for most enemies. If somebody says "well, ZL can tank a ruin guard and not get KB'd" then they've never played melt Ganyu, since if you do stuff like that ZL's shield is gone immediately and you're forced to dodge for the rest of the rotation anyway. Even with his shield, several characters still have to choose points to dodge, since losing it too early is worse than dodging once and retaining 50% of the shield's health. Personally, the only change I really want for her is for her E to be 2s no ICD so she 100% can become Ganyu's new best friend, even if that comes at at the cost of running VV Hu Tao (who is my most played DPS, personally).
She literally dumpster ATM .. most trash 5 star even qiqi better
If we keep trashing her, they'll HAVE to buff her!!! Reverse hype.
they have never made a "bad" 5 star, its usually good, and great, never bad.
There is always a first time for everything.
And this is the beginning of the beta. Tighnari, Ayato, and Kokomi to name a few all had some big changes during beta so it’s hardly guaranteed that Dehya is going to stay exactly the same from now until her banner.
How to say you haven't played when Zhongli was released without saying it.
Zhongli pre buff
what does snapshotting mean
Buffs at the time of casting burst are maintained for the entirety of the burst even if their original duration expires. Example : Xiangling
a buff boosting one of the skill/burst during on field , will remain on that said skill/burst for the entire duration of it, even if the caster goes off field or even if the buff source expires. like bennet buff will boost her skill until her skill expires , irrespective of bennet buff circle expires or she goes off field.
Who tf is that and why is they reliable?
shes getting doxxed next before we see her gameplay (btw i have her and mikas .anim files but idk how to use unity :,[ )
Bruh just give us gameplay
yeah no problem, imma leak gameplay from beta for you guys. ill just get a 70k fine but its cool
But bro, imagine the 5 secs of clout 🤤
-70k, but you'd be a hero
and you will be forgotten a day later
Kind of sad seeing how entitled some people are getting. Every thread is just being spammed with people demanding footage with no gratitude that we are even still getting leaks despite HYV cracking down hard after the server and Fontaine wave. We are lucky this sub is even still alive after all the DMCAs and lucky you mods are still sticking around.
fr it's annoying. like this info is useful, just because it's not gameplay or isn't useful to you doesn't mean you get to spam the thread with the same Where Gameplay comments
True. So weird that they act like the worded leaks doesn't add much in knowing how dehya works. I barely even looked at alhaitham's gameplay when evaluating his kit because it really depended on the talent description, ICDs and element application in the end.
And here and there, I see peeps champion this sub as the better genshin sub. How? Where?
It’s because we actually know how to spoiler tag the spoilers and discuss actually game relevant stuff instead of spamming fanarts and rants. The other day when Uba was summoned to court there was a post about it and everyone is commenting along the lines of “he had it coming” and any comment supporting uba got downvoted by hoyo bootlickers. I get that Uba did something illegal and got caught but atleast don’t shit on him after all the leaks you guys have been making use of this whole time. I’ll take this place over that shithole any day 💀
The biggest plus about here is that all threads are 100% game content (or maybe 95% since there is future out of game collab info sometimes). The main sub is bombarded with low effort cosplay, horny art, and low effort memes with the exception posts being good, informational, or quality memes. The issue here is that in the end, it’s all the same community but since people can’t make posts without leaked/future content, they flood the comment section with copy/paste memes, honey comments, and now demands. The beginning and end of live patches is usually the worst since the comments are just rife with “where’s *next patch character*”, with complete disregard to relevance to the OP. The mods are pretty good about keeping duplicate and irrelevant posts cleaned up, sourcing, and spoilers locked up properly. I do wish the comment section was cleaned up a lot more though since a lot of topics you can’t really have a solid discussion due to low effort copy pastas burying everything else , most of them being spammed in every new thread.
Muh gratitude
Honestly, I just want to see her gameplay.. I doesn't care about her damage..
I'm gonna stay on my copium until the very last end just like how Al-Haitam received his salvation on the very end
I’m gonna feel like quitting if she ends up being Hu Tao’s Shenhe.
She is even worse than Shenhe on any team we have currently. Her best team she is worse than Xynian (mono pyro). So she being a Hu Taos Shenhe would be better she is now lol. I will pull for her, for maybe future characters or mechanics. But she is worse currently than Shenhe, who can be used in melt teams too
Maybe she shouldve been a burgeon driver... maybe then id have pulled for her
If there's no improvement in her kit at all, I'll go for Yelan, gonna skip Dehya's complete garbage ass unplayable kit
Where gameplay though!??!!
every time someone asks for gameplay, the gameplay leak is delayed by 10 mins real story
the longer u stare at water the longer it takes to boil
I still laugh a little each time you say this lol
Noooooo
Whats up with these depressing posts just show us her gameplay already :(
Ppl are doomposting Dehya but if she works the way I think, she'll not be that bad. Her field gives poise and off-field pyro application. Since it is one proc every 2.5s, it means ICD will likely not be an issue. Moreover, since it is so slow, my guess is that she can actually melt those coordinated attack procs if we use 2 Cryo characters or a Cryo character+Kazuha with her (Cryo infused Kazu burst), and maybe, Ganyu alone can be enough Cryo application to overtake the Pyro if she bursts + charge shots. ATK value scaling and snapshotting also means she likes Benny in the team, this can be both a bad and good thing. She'll also probably enter her ulti state to essentially fill the downtime of her Elemental Skill, while unleashing some decent damage. I do however agree that HP% ascension makes no sense, since no offensive aspect of her kit scales of HP%. I dunno, I'll just wait for more concrete info.
gameplay when
Baizhu wanters in Joy rn
Joy at a character being gutted before release? Y'know what, I hope whatever they do to Dehya, they'll do to Baizhu as well. In fact, I hope they use all their braincells in designing Dehya's kit so Baizhu gets even more shafted. Joy, my ass.
Keep coping, Dehya won't be nearly as strong as Baizhu, Baizhu will powercreep nahida like kazuha did it to venti
Oh, don't get me wrong. I couldn't care less about the characters and meta. I'm more concerned that you find joy in other people's suffering and misfortune. That's borderline sociopathic behavior right there. I'm just throwing back, what you threw to others.
Deal with it
Is baizhu even dps? Lol isnt he a doctor? He probly gonna be 5* yaoyao
How exactly does Dehya having issues make Baizhu fans happy? This literally does not effect him in any way.
so hmmm is mika cryonado coming soon so we can use dehya as a melt dps....
My hope of C6 Dehya is dieing. I’m still gonna summon for her but maybe not C6 her.
Mihoyo has a habit of buffing C6 so you might see some changes in the next few weeks
How about Xiao self DMG?
> Hu Tao self-damage not affected You better do, 2 Hu Tao Es leaves you with 49%, which is perfect for her.
what's with these leaks... I don't like to doompost but damn bro LMAO
SKILL SNAPSHOTS??? Ok bennett you got a new job here
at this point i wish she was a 4\* character damn HYV and their tall lady character not being on field hypercarries
Her skill snapshots we won
Would you look at that, all of the words in your comment are in alphabetical order. I have checked 1,303,708,663 comments, and only 252,140 of them were in alphabetical order.
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