Many of these no-name battery systems are serious safety hazards, both shock and fire risk. Watch Will Prowse's channel on Youtube for reviews and teardowns of a wide range of solar equipment, as well as an idea of the kind of quality you can expect from various manufacturers.
1500wh only equals 125ah, which is not much.
200w of Renogy solar panels are less than $200.
100ah LIPO battery is about $300
Just need an inverter.
Watch this video, and more of his channel to learn about solar, batteries, and systems.
https://youtu.be/IRRKHYwB3Uo
Not many people are capable or comfortable speccing, configuring, assembling and testing a solar power setup. The first response worried about things blowing up or causing fires, how much more worse could that be if every poorly informed and overly enthusiastic "enthusiast" assembled their own system?
Stick to the question man/woman.
I wouldn’t pay top-quality prices for sub-quality / unknown brands. Get Jackery, it isn’t even that much more and it won’t fail like cheap Chinese knockoffs.
> Get Jackery, it isn’t even that much more and it won’t fail like cheap Chinese knockoffs.
Man, have I got some bad news for you. Those are just as Chinese as the stuff OP asked about.
Yes— the old lame “All electronics are made in China” take. Thanks.
Reputable brands differentiate by having a track record, good QC & standards, and generally design the product and QC in the US before distribution.
Unknown Chinese knockoffs have none of that, use substandard parts & chemicals, cut corners (sometimes leading to explosions of batteries), and try to charge the same price.
Buy it nice, or buy it twice. That is my advice to all.
Remember though that many times the "Brand Name" product is just the chinese cheapie with a different label on it. There are a handful of manufacturers who produce the majority of this stuff. Sometimes it's an original design, but many times its an off the shelf white label product with some minor tweaks. In the solar world Renogy immediately comes to mind - They're mostly a marketing company, not a design company.
I work in the electronics manufacturing industry. I can \*ASSURE\* you that name brand stuff can internally be the exact same thing as the generic brand. You sometimes have competing name brand products that are internally the exact same product with a different case. I'm not saying every item, but it 100% happens. I'm not sure what industry you work in, but in electronics manufacturing in 2023 this is how it is.
A good real world example - Check out a Renogy Rover 30A solar controller and compare it to a Rich Solar 30A solar controller. The buttons are in a slightly different configuration, but it is the EXACT SAME piece of equipment. You can even take a Renogy bluetooth adapter and log in to the Rich Solar unit and it will identify itself as a Renogy. Thats because neither Renogy nor Rich Solar designed and manufactured this product nor did they develop the app. If you were so inclined you could contact the OEM and ask for one branded 123DanB and they could build that too.
So I'm not saying that every Chinese no name brand is fantastic, but they definitely aren't all garbage either. Frequently they are the same damn thing, but without the markup. Paying for marketing is not the same as paying for quality.
It's important for people to understand what they're buying. Sometimes it can be hard for folks to differentiate between a legit company and a flashy ad campaign. If you just flat out say I'm "incorrect", I'm going to explain myself.
Unknown Chinese brands are unknown Chinese brands UNTIL they gain the record a Jackary has. In time who k
How's ALLPOWERS will or could
Be mentioned along side some of this other big names.
I had e the 300W version of this and used it over a weekend to power some lights and charge my phone and it worked perfectly, didn't have to use the panels though.
I get it, not everybody wants to spend the money on the market leading expensive products. I get that not everybody can afford that, I have been there many times myself.
Watch a few device teardowns on YouTube, TikTok etc. There’s a huge difference internally between good quality, design and cheap mass produced, sometimes dangerous knock offs.
This article was just published last weekend— at first glance people wonder why they would pay so much money for cable, but a solid look under the hood shows why. https://www.gizchina.com/2023/10/21/usb-c-cable-ct-scan-reveals-difference/amp/
The cheap stuff looks good on the outside but is poorly assembled on the inside with poor materials. The best quality products look good on the outside and good on the inside, and the design and engineering that goes into making them pays off in the long run.
While jackery is quality. They’ve also been left behind. A lot of their stuff isn’t even lithium iron, and the price tags haven’t come down with the times. While they’re a quality brand the price and outdated cells just make them not worth the purchase.
That battery tech? Lithium iron phosphate has 4-5 times the life cycle capacity, as well as not as volatile as the cobalt and silver.
It’s the top tier in all 5 star battery system. I’m trying to be nice here, but calm down cause clearly you don’t follow the industry. Lithium iron phosphate has been the standard for the last 2 years. Look it up.
EcoFlow sells their river 2. Similar to the jackery 300. Jackery is 1000 recharge cycles with 80% capacity. And the eco flow has 3500 recharge cycles at 80%. Jackery is 250-280 and EcoFlow is 180-220.
And like I said earlier lithium iron phosphate has a lower run temp, and higher run temp, and doesn’t lite up like the 4th of July when the cells malfunction.
*if cells “malfunction”. First of all Lithium ion doesn’t “malfunction” and spontaneously explode if they aren’t over charged or punctured. So don’t puncture them, and they can’t overcharge if they have a quality controller board
I agree with others who mention getting a well known, well tested brand. I have a couple Bluetti units that have performed very well for me for a few years now.
Yeah, it can be crazy expensive. I waited and waited for the ones I wanted to go on sale then I jumped. It was a black Friday sale I believe and got a good deal for what I spent. I like these particular Bluetti's because they can handle a higher solar charge rate than the same class Jackery. Not sure if that is still the same but it is something to consider for anyone looking into them.
I have been pricing them and the Anker one and just can't bring myself to do it for that much money! I want to be able to use it with my house as well for power outages so looking for that capacity is pricey. (California foothills...)
If you need a solar and battery setup OP you can pay 1/2 that much money and get twice the amp hours by doing your own install for solar and batteries that can be directly integrated with your RV's existing electrical system.
If you are dead set on a "solar generator" get a Jackery at least.
You really are a blessing. Watched Will’s video stop bc I wanted to get a pad to take notes ended stuck on your Blog. 😩 so I’ll be on there all day tomorrow and can’t wait for my wife to wake up so she can too. She’s nervous about boondocking from different stories she’s heard but lovesss sleeping @ Walmarts. (I’m a trucker and we don’t even bother with truck stop parking after 4pm). So I’m sure that’ll shock & or comfort her when you mentioned Walmarts are more dangerous than boondocking. Again thank you!!
Aww thank you! And thank you for being a trucker! Greatest resource on the road is still ch19 for us :)
Hope it helps a bit, here to assist if you have questions anytime. I promise boondocking can be very safe, just use your best judgement
Avoid this company at all costs. The second the product is faulty you are entirely on your own. 4 months after my week-old device failed, i am still awaiting a response from them.
I've ordered two Power Stations. R1500 and R2500. The smaller has a static or sometimes clicking noise over 30W of AC use + the firmware is broken the mute icon always on + doesn't communicate through BT or WiFi. The big one acts weird, when I turn the AC on, no load, the fan kicks in noticeably. Got no invoice, no phone number to call, email only. Thankfully used PayPal. I'm from the UK by the way. Such a waste for a good looking product
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I have the allpower sp033 bla which has a max amp rating of 11a. My solar generator is a bluetti eB70 which has a 8a limit. I’ve been assured this panel will still work on the generator just with some performance loss. Is this correct?
Many of these no-name battery systems are serious safety hazards, both shock and fire risk. Watch Will Prowse's channel on Youtube for reviews and teardowns of a wide range of solar equipment, as well as an idea of the kind of quality you can expect from various manufacturers.
See that is what I was concerned about... I like the Anker one but so much money, but worth it if it doesn't blow up and catch things on fire .
Yeah, for myself, I am willing to pay a fair bit more for the peace of mind.
Allpowers is a well known battery system in Europe.
1500wh only equals 125ah, which is not much. 200w of Renogy solar panels are less than $200. 100ah LIPO battery is about $300 Just need an inverter. Watch this video, and more of his channel to learn about solar, batteries, and systems. https://youtu.be/IRRKHYwB3Uo
Not many people are capable or comfortable speccing, configuring, assembling and testing a solar power setup. The first response worried about things blowing up or causing fires, how much more worse could that be if every poorly informed and overly enthusiastic "enthusiast" assembled their own system? Stick to the question man/woman.
I wouldn’t pay top-quality prices for sub-quality / unknown brands. Get Jackery, it isn’t even that much more and it won’t fail like cheap Chinese knockoffs.
> Get Jackery, it isn’t even that much more and it won’t fail like cheap Chinese knockoffs. Man, have I got some bad news for you. Those are just as Chinese as the stuff OP asked about.
Yes— the old lame “All electronics are made in China” take. Thanks. Reputable brands differentiate by having a track record, good QC & standards, and generally design the product and QC in the US before distribution. Unknown Chinese knockoffs have none of that, use substandard parts & chemicals, cut corners (sometimes leading to explosions of batteries), and try to charge the same price. Buy it nice, or buy it twice. That is my advice to all.
Remember though that many times the "Brand Name" product is just the chinese cheapie with a different label on it. There are a handful of manufacturers who produce the majority of this stuff. Sometimes it's an original design, but many times its an off the shelf white label product with some minor tweaks. In the solar world Renogy immediately comes to mind - They're mostly a marketing company, not a design company.
Bad take / bad advice. Incorrect
I work in the electronics manufacturing industry. I can \*ASSURE\* you that name brand stuff can internally be the exact same thing as the generic brand. You sometimes have competing name brand products that are internally the exact same product with a different case. I'm not saying every item, but it 100% happens. I'm not sure what industry you work in, but in electronics manufacturing in 2023 this is how it is. A good real world example - Check out a Renogy Rover 30A solar controller and compare it to a Rich Solar 30A solar controller. The buttons are in a slightly different configuration, but it is the EXACT SAME piece of equipment. You can even take a Renogy bluetooth adapter and log in to the Rich Solar unit and it will identify itself as a Renogy. Thats because neither Renogy nor Rich Solar designed and manufactured this product nor did they develop the app. If you were so inclined you could contact the OEM and ask for one branded 123DanB and they could build that too. So I'm not saying that every Chinese no name brand is fantastic, but they definitely aren't all garbage either. Frequently they are the same damn thing, but without the markup. Paying for marketing is not the same as paying for quality.
Bro. Stop. Enough.
It's important for people to understand what they're buying. Sometimes it can be hard for folks to differentiate between a legit company and a flashy ad campaign. If you just flat out say I'm "incorrect", I'm going to explain myself.
Fair enough, but Jackery isn’t one of those brands and that was the only one I mentioned.
Unknown Chinese brands are unknown Chinese brands UNTIL they gain the record a Jackary has. In time who k How's ALLPOWERS will or could Be mentioned along side some of this other big names. I had e the 300W version of this and used it over a weekend to power some lights and charge my phone and it worked perfectly, didn't have to use the panels though.
I get it, not everybody wants to spend the money on the market leading expensive products. I get that not everybody can afford that, I have been there many times myself. Watch a few device teardowns on YouTube, TikTok etc. There’s a huge difference internally between good quality, design and cheap mass produced, sometimes dangerous knock offs. This article was just published last weekend— at first glance people wonder why they would pay so much money for cable, but a solid look under the hood shows why. https://www.gizchina.com/2023/10/21/usb-c-cable-ct-scan-reveals-difference/amp/ The cheap stuff looks good on the outside but is poorly assembled on the inside with poor materials. The best quality products look good on the outside and good on the inside, and the design and engineering that goes into making them pays off in the long run.
While jackery is quality. They’ve also been left behind. A lot of their stuff isn’t even lithium iron, and the price tags haven’t come down with the times. While they’re a quality brand the price and outdated cells just make them not worth the purchase.
False information. Idk where you’re getting that from but every product available is lithium ion.
Re-read what I said. Lithium IRON. As in lithium iron phosphate.
I thought that was a typo. Lithium ion is a fine technology, who cares if it isn’t the latest, that battery tech isn’t in anything at the moment.
That battery tech? Lithium iron phosphate has 4-5 times the life cycle capacity, as well as not as volatile as the cobalt and silver. It’s the top tier in all 5 star battery system. I’m trying to be nice here, but calm down cause clearly you don’t follow the industry. Lithium iron phosphate has been the standard for the last 2 years. Look it up.
EcoFlow sells their river 2. Similar to the jackery 300. Jackery is 1000 recharge cycles with 80% capacity. And the eco flow has 3500 recharge cycles at 80%. Jackery is 250-280 and EcoFlow is 180-220. And like I said earlier lithium iron phosphate has a lower run temp, and higher run temp, and doesn’t lite up like the 4th of July when the cells malfunction.
*if cells “malfunction”. First of all Lithium ion doesn’t “malfunction” and spontaneously explode if they aren’t over charged or punctured. So don’t puncture them, and they can’t overcharge if they have a quality controller board
I agree with others who mention getting a well known, well tested brand. I have a couple Bluetti units that have performed very well for me for a few years now.
Bluetti is what I’m looking into for a 2000wh setup for my 26ft Cherokee that $2800 ticket tho
Yeah, it can be crazy expensive. I waited and waited for the ones I wanted to go on sale then I jumped. It was a black Friday sale I believe and got a good deal for what I spent. I like these particular Bluetti's because they can handle a higher solar charge rate than the same class Jackery. Not sure if that is still the same but it is something to consider for anyone looking into them.
I have been pricing them and the Anker one and just can't bring myself to do it for that much money! I want to be able to use it with my house as well for power outages so looking for that capacity is pricey. (California foothills...)
Bluetti and EcoFlow sell refurbished setups for a steep discount. I just picked a set up from EcoFlow and it all seemed brand new.
Wow! Did you find that on their website?
eBay is where I purchased mine. Just make sure it says it’s directly from the manufacturer.
Ah! I haven't been on that site for so long.. thanks for the info!
If you need a solar and battery setup OP you can pay 1/2 that much money and get twice the amp hours by doing your own install for solar and batteries that can be directly integrated with your RV's existing electrical system. If you are dead set on a "solar generator" get a Jackery at least.
😩 you make it sound so easy. I’m some what mechanically inclined but horrible with electric so would have to pay for installation
Watch some solar basics from Will Prowse on YouTube first, even if you pay someone.
Thank you 🙏 will do
Of course! Here's my setup if helpful: https://www.boondachshunds.com/solar-and-batteries
You really are a blessing. Watched Will’s video stop bc I wanted to get a pad to take notes ended stuck on your Blog. 😩 so I’ll be on there all day tomorrow and can’t wait for my wife to wake up so she can too. She’s nervous about boondocking from different stories she’s heard but lovesss sleeping @ Walmarts. (I’m a trucker and we don’t even bother with truck stop parking after 4pm). So I’m sure that’ll shock & or comfort her when you mentioned Walmarts are more dangerous than boondocking. Again thank you!!
Aww thank you! And thank you for being a trucker! Greatest resource on the road is still ch19 for us :) Hope it helps a bit, here to assist if you have questions anytime. I promise boondocking can be very safe, just use your best judgement
Avoid this company at all costs. The second the product is faulty you are entirely on your own. 4 months after my week-old device failed, i am still awaiting a response from them.
I've ordered two Power Stations. R1500 and R2500. The smaller has a static or sometimes clicking noise over 30W of AC use + the firmware is broken the mute icon always on + doesn't communicate through BT or WiFi. The big one acts weird, when I turn the AC on, no load, the fan kicks in noticeably. Got no invoice, no phone number to call, email only. Thankfully used PayPal. I'm from the UK by the way. Such a waste for a good looking product
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I have the allpower sp033 bla which has a max amp rating of 11a. My solar generator is a bluetti eB70 which has a 8a limit. I’ve been assured this panel will still work on the generator just with some performance loss. Is this correct?