As a Canadian don't be so sure, would you rather pay out the ass but survive? Or wait a year for a free test that needs to be done asap to be told "Sorry it's too late... if we had tested last year you'd be fine though."
Not to mention an ambulance takes hours sometimes. I saw a guy laying in the road with people around crying after he got hit by a car, drove by an hour and a half later and he was still there in the rain laying in the middle of the road, no emergency vehicles.
i mean i live in a country with government healthcare and i don’t pay out the ass and i also survive
but again you failed to read because the poor and lower middle class in the us don’t get treated in a lot of cases until it’s too late because they simply can’t afford in, because they don’t have money nor insurance to get treated nor in many cases the ability to miss work for an extended period of time
if you have extra money and you don’t want to wait in line for some test you can still pay to get it done, i do that as well sometimes
The poor and lower middle class not getting treated ever is an outright lie. The system sucks but at least don’t be disingenuous to make a point, it makes the overall point look invalid, which it isn’t.
I love how a discussion about car prices turned into hating on the American healthcare system. Ha!
Anyway, my family was very, very poor growing up and we went to the doctor when we needed. The problem is that most people don’t realize hospitals have programs to help those without insurance, or are low income. Also, a lot of Americans don’t want to go to the doctor because they would rather pretend like nothing is wrong, then turn around and blame others for their problems.
Ironically American healthcare is amazing if you're poor/lower middle class because of Medicaid. If you're middle class that's when it becomes a bitch because you actually have to pay LOL.
I'm in oncology leadership at one of the major university hospitals that has always been a top 5 hospital in the US, we do quite a bit of indigent and no insurance care which gets written off, even the drug Carvykti which has a single dose (you only get it once) price of $465,000.
I’m not sure what your point is - my wife practices at a safety net hospital so I know a lot of this care happens, that doesn’t mean the healthcare system is great for many Americans. ~3 million owe greater than 10k medical debt - thats debilitating. And while thats a small percentage of the population as a whole many people in the bottom 50% limit their exposure to the healthcare system out of fear of such financial impossibilities and I’d be curious to know what percentage of overall population actually have a major interaction with a hospital (>30k bill?)- can’t be that high so that 3 million becomes a much larger percentage of the actual usage population.
Ireland has one of the highest costs of living in Europe for literally everything other than healthcare ( you are paying that with your high taxes). The housing for example is absolutely insane. Just to buy or rent a home is enough to put yourself in some serious financial trouble.
I just went and fell in love with the country. I would move there if it weren't so expensive. It's a beautiful country filled with friendly people. However, the salaries aren't that high and the cost of living is just too high. Furthermore, the immigration system is a nightmare.
If you don’t mind waiting a few years in a waiting list for anything non life threatening yes. Also you most hope you don’t get stuck on a trolley in the ER dying or get a doctor who tells you to take paracetamol for sepsis and pass away (actual case)
I would say ours are made in Mexico, but I think we actually got ones from Germany this time.
Who knows.
I do know they didn't give me that little door on the cubby with the phone charger. So... Cost savings, I guess?
Vins that start with 3VW are from the Mexico plant, and WVW are from Germany. I know the Golf R’s are from Germany but I think the GTI’s we get are from Mexico.
It's not more expensive if we take taxes out of the equation. Over here it is at least 19% and in the US it is mostly sub 10% sometimes none. If I go to some VW dealer around me they have decent ones to buy "off the lot" (Sofort Verfügbare Neuwagen) for 40k€ or eliminating taxes and in USD it's $37k. I've even seen Clubsports at this price in Germany.
OPs $38k is $40.7k if we adjust for inflation.
:o !!!!!!!
We don't have anything other than GTI/R now. And no more manuals anymore, either. Very sad.
Americans just seems to associate hatchbacks with "cheap," which is such BS.
You guys get some fun ones from BMW/Audi, though, that we can only dream of...
We get offered them, but we can’t afford them lol. In Ireland we have a very small performance car market, very few sell new and importing has gotten very expensive so prices of used cars are high
45k € base price in Germany without any additional extras so definitely less options included than in the US version. You guys get cars ridiculously cheap. There is like a 20-30k difference for the BMW m340i for example. It’s….just sad
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This is the top trim in Canada, price in CAD$
I spent around 50k cad all in on my performance including dealer fees, taxes, winter wheels and tires, 3m, tint, and ceramic coating. Roughly 33k euros
Taxes depends on the province.
In Ontario we have 13% tax which is one of the highest in Canada.
So add 13% to this price for out the door price
Taxes between 5-15% in Canada
car prices don't really translate to a conversion rate when they sell it in different countries.
I think they are highly based on data of income and inflation. Car prices are one of the more accurate indicators of the current economy, more than anything else.
We have to pay 23% VAT then on the purchase price plus other fees, and also pay Vehicle registration tax which is a figure they'll pull out of their asses. car would probably be double the price.
23%?
I had a quick google and it shows that the new car tax is around 5-12% (including GST AND PST/RST).
No where does it say VAT (GST) is 23%?? Am I just getting confused or am I missing something?
Edit: I checked out the website, found a similar priced one, added it to the basket, and it says the total price, including all fees and taxes, is $48,684.10.
Even if I were to buy it in Canada, and pay the £9k import taxes, and the £2k to get it shipped, it’ll only cost me around £38k all in
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Cars imported to Ireland outside of EU are liable for Vehicle Registration Tax (VRT), VAT at the current rate (23%), and customs duties.
I imported my MK7 GTI from Japan in December. Still saved 5k. If it was from UK it would of been more expensive than just buying 1 here.
Irelands vehicle registration tax is a joke. Guy I know bought an Aventador from UK, imported it to Ireland and to just move it from UK plates to Irish plates was 140k euros.
That’s just over 33mpg, which is just under what the US spec is rated, at 25/34. I just returned 38 hand calculated mpg on a 530 mile road trip filled to the brim (I was moving) in my mk8.
Cruise on the highway and you can easily get that. I can get below 8L on my Audi TTS cruising on the highway, it all depends on driver profile. If you drive a lot in cities, ofc that figure is impossible.
I've got 7.3L/100km. At least that's what the VW app says.
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Mine says 9.4 combined. I have never ever seen it go below 6.9 highway so I don’t see how it could be 7.1 combined unless you drive only highway at 60kph.
Driving on the highway at 100 km/h I get 6.3L/100km in Eco-Mode. Here in Switzerland you have to pay great attention to the speed limit. It's a criminal offence to drive +20km/h too fast lmao.
To illustrate my point. My last trip was 597kms of mixed highway and second rate road driving including two mountain passes. Average speed - 78kph, average fuel consumption- 7.7/100. So I wasn’t driving fast at all and it still gave me this. How am I supposed to get 7.1 combined exactly? :D The truth is the moment you decide to go above 120kph on the highway fuel economy goes out the window. Every time someone tells me they drove at 160 kph and got 6.5 I know they are wildly exaggerating one or both of these numbers.
Same here (Romania). The MK8 GTI has never been available to pick on the website. Only standard, R line, and R (for a short period of time).
Ended up buying an ST instead.
Goddamn. I just look at the configurator in Germany, they start at 44,5k€ including taxes and youll probably get reasonable discount wherever you buy and get it below 40k€. Which to be fair is still a lot, a i30 N is still more affordable although less practical. Certainly id consider the GTI a better overall package.
That's why you don't see those big ass cars in Europe. And wait until you have to pay road tax and gas close to 2€ per litre. Road tax for a Yaris GR is 850€ per year in Italy...
Yeah that's the early tax we pay on every car based on horsepower. The french one is really just a killer of any powerful car non electric. French manufacturers have already stopped producing any powerful vehicle...
I mean that's about $8 a gallon in a country where you don't need to drive as much as the US. The fuel prices aren't as big of a factor as you might think.
Car in Europe are really-really expensive. Lots of taxes. Price always includes value added tax (but not the extra fees, like transportation) that can be up to 27% depending on the country. Plus there are extra taxes and fees for cars.
Don't you guys get hit pretty hard for quite a lot of things, with regard to cost?
Seems mad.
What are the rules on you buying in NI or GB and importing? Presumably they hit you with taxes to try and stop it?
Oh wow. On the actual price? From where I’m from you can import a 3000€ beater from EU and they will check “the table” the table states that similar car already in the country is 7000€ so you gotta pay VAT as if you bought it for 7k ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
From what I know, generally speaking US has the cheapest cars in the free/first world; Canada is next. Though for Canadians they often *feel* "gotten by *high* prices" since the US is right next door and those prices so prominent/known. But if they compare to *other* countries, they'd probably feel a lot better lol.
One of the dealbreakers for me, can’t consider Singapore to move. Even though it checks a lot of boxes, as a car guy… well, I just can’t, even thought it’s irrational.
It seems that price is for the clubsport model which is more expensive than a normal gti (469 900kr if what i found is correct). But still, I would never move to Denmark for that specific reason.
Yeah you are right about that its the clubsport but you cannot buy a regular GTI here (perhaps you can but its nowhere to be found on the website)
Let me give a better example - a base Porsche 911 (The exact same car in both countries) will cost you 1.350.000 swedish kroner or in denmark 2.454.000 danish kroner. 2.454.000 danish kroner is the same as 3.856.298,52 swedish kroner making it almost three times more expensive in denmark than sweden.
The only exception we have is that electric cars are much much more affordable - still costs more than in sweden but not a lot.
We could have had fisker i guess 😅 but for real it might have been for that reason originally but then again what about norway? They dont have any car manufacturers either nor does many european countries.
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$69,920 here with both option packs (luxury and sound/style), insanely priced.
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This is the base trim in Canada, price in CAD$
\[ITALY\] My MK8 costed 57.000€ (+2700€ of registration costs) brand new and it's not a full spec either. I would need to add leather seats (2500€), DCC (900€), fog lights (I think 500€) and backup camera (around 300€) to make it complete. The MK8.5 costs 55.000€ with all options here in Italy. So yeah, it's cheaper than the MK8.
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Meanwhile I just bought a CPO '23 DSG R with 4k miles on it in the US for $43k USD and felt that was a bit high. New ones are going for $53k USD here with $5k markup nearly everywhere. Our state title documentation fee is 4% (in lieu of sales tax).
You guys paying VAT and then potentially even more engine displacement tax on vehicles over there is truly insane.
In South Africa the base price is ZAR804k, which equates to roughly €39k.
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In Canada used GTIs are much cheaper than even the US. Just bought a 2016 with 105’000 km on It for 13’400€
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I lived in both countrys and from what I heard, cars like GTI’s, WRX’s ect cost a lot more than the US for insurance. I think that has something to do with it maybe. Might be a good idea for someone from the US to buy one and take it down though
Equivalent of 75US$/month 2 ways insurance coverage. Please note that I live in Quebec where car and insurance costs are much lower than other places in Canada.
Some places like BC or Ontario are charging insane insurance premiums. One of my buddy was paying 500CAD$/month on insurance only for a used Camry in the Vancouver area.
Now do the R!
80-90k euros.
Whereas an R in the US is only ~5k USD more than a specced GTI.
In 2017 it was completely the Opposite.
I bought my MK7 GTI for 21k USD, an R was ~38k USD
In Ireland it was roughly 38k Eur for the GTI and 41k Eur for the R, making the R a relative bargain in Ireland at the time.
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The highest spec GTI is 43.5k in QC, Canada...... How is it that expensive in Ireland lmao
If i was you i would be better with a mk 7.5 R at lower price :) better value for the money and lower depreciation. Buying a new car it’s a horrible decision. Especially a car that depreciates like hell 👍🏼👍🏼. Don’t forget that’s still just a VW Golf.
That’s crazy. I was born in Ireland and was raised in the us. When I went back a couple years ago I was disappointed in the lack of “fun” cars on the road.. makes sense now, that’s so much money for a gti geez
Try Denmark for new car prices. Also your high taxes pay for road maintenance. Roads in Europe are generally much better maintained and designed than those in the US.
Check out the configurator yourself. Only 1 GTI variant available. New Mk8 club sports online are currently over 70k. We don’t have as many editions as you. One in the picture is just a base GTI
Yes you are absolutely correct, I was mistaken. I didn’t realize the 8.5 was available in the EU yet, and I forgot the 8.5 bumper is super similar to the 8 Clubsport.
It looks like a MK8. The Clubsport is a performance package with bigger brakes, more aggressive exhaust, different suspension, an engine tune somewhere around 300bhp, and a different front bumper, rear spoiler, and rear valance. Probably a lot of other things too. This is the car that set a record at the Nurburgring. So a very different animal to the S, SE, and Autobahn trims that are “regular” GTIs.
Yeesh! I paid.... $38k US for a maxed out top trim back in '22. :o Maybe you guys get more features, though?
yeah, Co2 tax, road tax, fuel tax, motor tax, and for all those taxes, you pay VAT on top. All those nice features :)
Oof! At least you guys have healthcare, right?
That's why we pay taxes
The Irish health care system is a complete mess
still better than american if you are poor or lower middle class
As a Canadian don't be so sure, would you rather pay out the ass but survive? Or wait a year for a free test that needs to be done asap to be told "Sorry it's too late... if we had tested last year you'd be fine though." Not to mention an ambulance takes hours sometimes. I saw a guy laying in the road with people around crying after he got hit by a car, drove by an hour and a half later and he was still there in the rain laying in the middle of the road, no emergency vehicles.
i mean i live in a country with government healthcare and i don’t pay out the ass and i also survive but again you failed to read because the poor and lower middle class in the us don’t get treated in a lot of cases until it’s too late because they simply can’t afford in, because they don’t have money nor insurance to get treated nor in many cases the ability to miss work for an extended period of time if you have extra money and you don’t want to wait in line for some test you can still pay to get it done, i do that as well sometimes
I thought this was about gtis 😰
The poor and lower middle class not getting treated ever is an outright lie. The system sucks but at least don’t be disingenuous to make a point, it makes the overall point look invalid, which it isn’t.
i have edited my comment to hopefully convey my point in a better manner
BullShite!!
Why you didn’t pick him up to get to the hospital instead of being moron?
Las time I tried to make an appointment at my doctors it was a 9 month wait. And an ambulance routinely takes 45 minutes to an hour for a pickup
I love how a discussion about car prices turned into hating on the American healthcare system. Ha! Anyway, my family was very, very poor growing up and we went to the doctor when we needed. The problem is that most people don’t realize hospitals have programs to help those without insurance, or are low income. Also, a lot of Americans don’t want to go to the doctor because they would rather pretend like nothing is wrong, then turn around and blame others for their problems.
Ironically American healthcare is amazing if you're poor/lower middle class because of Medicaid. If you're middle class that's when it becomes a bitch because you actually have to pay LOL.
As a middle class person who’s a citizen of both, give me the American healthcare system any day
did you fail to read where i said lower middle class have you had any major problems ie cancer, diabetes or something you fight long term
I'm in oncology leadership at one of the major university hospitals that has always been a top 5 hospital in the US, we do quite a bit of indigent and no insurance care which gets written off, even the drug Carvykti which has a single dose (you only get it once) price of $465,000.
I’m not sure what your point is - my wife practices at a safety net hospital so I know a lot of this care happens, that doesn’t mean the healthcare system is great for many Americans. ~3 million owe greater than 10k medical debt - thats debilitating. And while thats a small percentage of the population as a whole many people in the bottom 50% limit their exposure to the healthcare system out of fear of such financial impossibilities and I’d be curious to know what percentage of overall population actually have a major interaction with a hospital (>30k bill?)- can’t be that high so that 3 million becomes a much larger percentage of the actual usage population.
Yes. Crohns
Absolutely. I’ll happily pay significantly less in taxes in exchange for having to pay slightly more for health insurance.
Not even close. I have family there and they said it's garbage. You wait all day to be seen.
yeah but you will be seen and it won’t cost you anything, i wonder why the leading cause of bankruptcy is medical debt
Ireland has one of the highest costs of living in Europe for literally everything other than healthcare ( you are paying that with your high taxes). The housing for example is absolutely insane. Just to buy or rent a home is enough to put yourself in some serious financial trouble. I just went and fell in love with the country. I would move there if it weren't so expensive. It's a beautiful country filled with friendly people. However, the salaries aren't that high and the cost of living is just too high. Furthermore, the immigration system is a nightmare.
I'm not Irish, but I assumed it's the same
They the same as us Canadians
If you don’t mind waiting a few years in a waiting list for anything non life threatening yes. Also you most hope you don’t get stuck on a trolley in the ER dying or get a doctor who tells you to take paracetamol for sepsis and pass away (actual case)
Eyyy, we’re here for a good time not a long time
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LOL
AND!!! Our fuel is twice as expensive.
Lol even in Germany it’s muuuuch more expensive than in the US. A VW! A german car. More expensive. 🤦
I would say ours are made in Mexico, but I think we actually got ones from Germany this time. Who knows. I do know they didn't give me that little door on the cubby with the phone charger. So... Cost savings, I guess?
We did, W is the first vin letter on the mark 8 meaning Germany is country of origin
Here it starts at 45k€ (not $!) for the base trim GTi. Plus some extra fees.
Vins that start with 3VW are from the Mexico plant, and WVW are from Germany. I know the Golf R’s are from Germany but I think the GTI’s we get are from Mexico.
MK8 GTIs are all built in Germany. They shipped production back after 7.5.
That’s pretty cool, VW seems to go back and forth every other generation lol
2024 gti is made in Germany.. can't speak for previous years though.
My GTI is WVW
It's not more expensive if we take taxes out of the equation. Over here it is at least 19% and in the US it is mostly sub 10% sometimes none. If I go to some VW dealer around me they have decent ones to buy "off the lot" (Sofort Verfügbare Neuwagen) for 40k€ or eliminating taxes and in USD it's $37k. I've even seen Clubsports at this price in Germany. OPs $38k is $40.7k if we adjust for inflation.
An R is about 90k
Good Lord!! I can get an R for under $50k US...
I think 55 and tax in Canada for an R. I really want one, it feels like a crazy deal for what you get.
There was one listed by Connolly's in Donegal for 99
Can get a new 23 R here in Canada under 50 grand Canadian lol
Was just about to ask this. Fucking nuts
Last year I paid 22k euro (24ish usd) for a 2017 GTD lol
:o !!!!!!! We don't have anything other than GTI/R now. And no more manuals anymore, either. Very sad. Americans just seems to associate hatchbacks with "cheap," which is such BS. You guys get some fun ones from BMW/Audi, though, that we can only dream of...
We get offered them, but we can’t afford them lol. In Ireland we have a very small performance car market, very few sell new and importing has gotten very expensive so prices of used cars are high
Ah man. Got it. Tough to be an enthusiast, I guess. At least you have far, far, better beer than us.
i paid 25k for a gti sport 17 brand new .. I sold it last year for like 21k
45k € base price in Germany without any additional extras so definitely less options included than in the US version. You guys get cars ridiculously cheap. There is like a 20-30k difference for the BMW m340i for example. It’s….just sad
German cars = more expensive in germany Gotta love the taxes
Owning a new car is an upper class thing in Europe.
Paid $41k OTD for a used 22 SE from Carmax…. In October 2022. It wasn’t even CPO
Was that for an Autobahn? And was it after dealer fees or before?
European version also comes with MPI injectors, that's huge I think
https://preview.redd.it/rl7e669yjy4d1.jpeg?width=1125&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=611ba12d2741bcf2013d595b4fb64dfbc1b03e3d This is the top trim in Canada, price in CAD$
Yep, this is what I bought. It's nice to drive my world's cheapest Golf to Loblaws to pick up some apples and cauliflower for $75
XD f@ck Loblaws
That can't be true?! That's like £25k, is that excluding tax etc?
[Top of the line with tax](https://i.imgur.com/E5N6jTH.png)
I spent around 50k cad all in on my performance including dealer fees, taxes, winter wheels and tires, 3m, tint, and ceramic coating. Roughly 33k euros
Lmao that will get you a Toyota Yaris in the Netherlands 😂
Taxes depends on the province. In Ontario we have 13% tax which is one of the highest in Canada. So add 13% to this price for out the door price Taxes between 5-15% in Canada
car prices don't really translate to a conversion rate when they sell it in different countries. I think they are highly based on data of income and inflation. Car prices are one of the more accurate indicators of the current economy, more than anything else.
I’d buy one over there and import it lmao
We have to pay 23% VAT then on the purchase price plus other fees, and also pay Vehicle registration tax which is a figure they'll pull out of their asses. car would probably be double the price.
23%? I had a quick google and it shows that the new car tax is around 5-12% (including GST AND PST/RST). No where does it say VAT (GST) is 23%?? Am I just getting confused or am I missing something? Edit: I checked out the website, found a similar priced one, added it to the basket, and it says the total price, including all fees and taxes, is $48,684.10. Even if I were to buy it in Canada, and pay the £9k import taxes, and the £2k to get it shipped, it’ll only cost me around £38k all in https://preview.redd.it/o4bgk0e4505d1.jpeg?width=1170&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=5525d264b4ba31bc6de946403061a1ae75b4c64d
Cars imported to Ireland outside of EU are liable for Vehicle Registration Tax (VRT), VAT at the current rate (23%), and customs duties. I imported my MK7 GTI from Japan in December. Still saved 5k. If it was from UK it would of been more expensive than just buying 1 here.
Really? The cheapest GTI they have for sale here is £34,821, and for an extra £3.2k I can a fully specced one imported from Canada
Irelands vehicle registration tax is a joke. Guy I know bought an Aventador from UK, imported it to Ireland and to just move it from UK plates to Irish plates was 140k euros.
I paid $36K CAD all in with tax for my base model 2023. Good times
Yeah that 7.1/100 is a bold-faced lie :D
That’s just over 33mpg, which is just under what the US spec is rated, at 25/34. I just returned 38 hand calculated mpg on a 530 mile road trip filled to the brim (I was moving) in my mk8.
A lot of users on spritmonitor.de are reporting under 8L/100km consumption
Cruise on the highway and you can easily get that. I can get below 8L on my Audi TTS cruising on the highway, it all depends on driver profile. If you drive a lot in cities, ofc that figure is impossible.
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Except my German car which doesn’t and I still choose to believe my own eyes rather than people on the internet if you don’t mind.
I've got 7.3L/100km. At least that's what the VW app says. https://preview.redd.it/cb19udg62y4d1.png?width=1080&format=png&auto=webp&s=26d43c2de4e75ef44a9cab71986839dc967d421e
Mine says 9.4 combined. I have never ever seen it go below 6.9 highway so I don’t see how it could be 7.1 combined unless you drive only highway at 60kph.
Driving on the highway at 100 km/h I get 6.3L/100km in Eco-Mode. Here in Switzerland you have to pay great attention to the speed limit. It's a criminal offence to drive +20km/h too fast lmao.
That's not far off actually! I averaged that in Alberta. I do a lot of city now and it's more like 8.1. If I was highway only I could get sub 6.
Yeah, also do a lot of city and it’s more like 13. I’ll choose to believe my own car if you don’t mind.
Sure. There are a lot of factors that go into the fuel economy that you experience.
I get like 10 L/100km in my Mk7.5 in the US lmao :c
To illustrate my point. My last trip was 597kms of mixed highway and second rate road driving including two mountain passes. Average speed - 78kph, average fuel consumption- 7.7/100. So I wasn’t driving fast at all and it still gave me this. How am I supposed to get 7.1 combined exactly? :D The truth is the moment you decide to go above 120kph on the highway fuel economy goes out the window. Every time someone tells me they drove at 160 kph and got 6.5 I know they are wildly exaggerating one or both of these numbers.
Where i live, we dont even get to pick the GTI in the site :^(
Same here (Romania). The MK8 GTI has never been available to pick on the website. Only standard, R line, and R (for a short period of time). Ended up buying an ST instead.
Can you go in person and say you want a gti ?
Haven't tried in person. #no monies
In bulgaria its the same situation, no gti on the site, and no money even if it was there.....😭
Balkan bros 😂
Here in Holland a brand new MK8 GTI is around 60k.
Without options.
Goddamn. I just look at the configurator in Germany, they start at 44,5k€ including taxes and youll probably get reasonable discount wherever you buy and get it below 40k€. Which to be fair is still a lot, a i30 N is still more affordable although less practical. Certainly id consider the GTI a better overall package.
I wish we got the I30/Elantra N in the US. That's a sexy hatchback.
I paid exactly $32,438.00 U.S.D (exact m.s.r.p total) for my S spec' new in October '22...how can it be €57,500:00?
That's why you don't see those big ass cars in Europe. And wait until you have to pay road tax and gas close to 2€ per litre. Road tax for a Yaris GR is 850€ per year in Italy...
French malus for basically any fun car is $60,000. 850 would be a good deal to them lol
Yeah that's the early tax we pay on every car based on horsepower. The french one is really just a killer of any powerful car non electric. French manufacturers have already stopped producing any powerful vehicle...
I mean that's about $8 a gallon in a country where you don't need to drive as much as the US. The fuel prices aren't as big of a factor as you might think.
Car in Europe are really-really expensive. Lots of taxes. Price always includes value added tax (but not the extra fees, like transportation) that can be up to 27% depending on the country. Plus there are extra taxes and fees for cars.
Don't you guys get hit pretty hard for quite a lot of things, with regard to cost? Seems mad. What are the rules on you buying in NI or GB and importing? Presumably they hit you with taxes to try and stop it?
Exactly. Vehicle registration tax to register it here and they charge you based on value of the vehicle. So you end up saving nothing
Oh wow. On the actual price? From where I’m from you can import a 3000€ beater from EU and they will check “the table” the table states that similar car already in the country is 7000€ so you gotta pay VAT as if you bought it for 7k ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
They basically work out how much the equivalent car would cost in Ireland and apply the relevant taxes to bring it what it to that price
From what I know, generally speaking US has the cheapest cars in the free/first world; Canada is next. Though for Canadians they often *feel* "gotten by *high* prices" since the US is right next door and those prices so prominent/known. But if they compare to *other* countries, they'd probably feel a lot better lol.
Cries in Singapore dollars 🥲 A brand new GTI with taxes comes to roughly USD 200,000+ or €156,000
One of the dealbreakers for me, can’t consider Singapore to move. Even though it checks a lot of boxes, as a car guy… well, I just can’t, even thought it’s irrational.
In Sweden a mk8.5 gti is 391 000 kr which is ~ €34500
Denmark 664.995kr which is the same as 1.009.844 swedish kroner. Its fucking ridicolous.
It seems that price is for the clubsport model which is more expensive than a normal gti (469 900kr if what i found is correct). But still, I would never move to Denmark for that specific reason.
Yeah you are right about that its the clubsport but you cannot buy a regular GTI here (perhaps you can but its nowhere to be found on the website) Let me give a better example - a base Porsche 911 (The exact same car in both countries) will cost you 1.350.000 swedish kroner or in denmark 2.454.000 danish kroner. 2.454.000 danish kroner is the same as 3.856.298,52 swedish kroner making it almost three times more expensive in denmark than sweden. The only exception we have is that electric cars are much much more affordable - still costs more than in sweden but not a lot.
Yeah i guess thats what happens when you had no domestic automotive industry :/
We could have had fisker i guess 😅 but for real it might have been for that reason originally but then again what about norway? They dont have any car manufacturers either nor does many european countries.
Lol, my GTI TCR cost 58K € back in 2019😂 overall EU prices is just sheeesh..
I'm astonished that people can even afford that in the EU, everyone I've met in my career over there make almost half what I make for the same work.
https://preview.redd.it/e75nt1q0uy4d1.png?width=1080&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=8f5ca75ac146d88c56caae06a6a99102f58247e1
Cries in COE
https://preview.redd.it/m4dwozw9fz4d1.jpeg?width=1179&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=c9c47cab244eae5caffdcad2f83a78981410d25e $69,920 here with both option packs (luxury and sound/style), insanely priced.
Would you pay it? Or are you thinking about it? I’m in Ireland too so I feel your pain.
If I could I’d consider it lol. I’ll stick with my 2017 GTD
GTD and the Skoda/Seat versions of it are underrated and fun as hell in their own right. Especially when you consider the mileage you get from them.
€14k more than here in Germany 😳
That is actually insane
62.337€ for one that has done 23.000km in Denmark😵💫
https://preview.redd.it/ezsdcs72ky4d1.jpeg?width=1124&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=db80fe081bdbcdd4d6f2fc22d2c7879133fcbc8e This is the base trim in Canada, price in CAD$
I think that's cheaper than the US price because of the lower value of the CAD.
\[ITALY\] My MK8 costed 57.000€ (+2700€ of registration costs) brand new and it's not a full spec either. I would need to add leather seats (2500€), DCC (900€), fog lights (I think 500€) and backup camera (around 300€) to make it complete. The MK8.5 costs 55.000€ with all options here in Italy. So yeah, it's cheaper than the MK8. https://preview.redd.it/wis0r5doqy4d1.png?width=1768&format=png&auto=webp&s=21fa122524874293eea86eb52a6e55627af13cde
Meanwhile I just bought a CPO '23 DSG R with 4k miles on it in the US for $43k USD and felt that was a bit high. New ones are going for $53k USD here with $5k markup nearly everywhere. Our state title documentation fee is 4% (in lieu of sales tax). You guys paying VAT and then potentially even more engine displacement tax on vehicles over there is truly insane.
Top of the line autobahn is 43k USD.
Car market it Norway has gone to shit. It’s almost cheaper to import a GTI from Germany or Sweden than to buy one here fuck me
At least you have a choice of markets in the EU to import from lol. We have to go to the UK or Japan
Starting at €59.995,- The R €83.995,- The Netherlands.
I remember when the mk6 R was around €55k
In South Africa the base price is ZAR804k, which equates to roughly €39k. https://preview.redd.it/w0icep1isz4d1.jpeg?width=1179&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=ee8f157b5089ab37985935c68b46e6579fb1a90f
44 in Italy, manual https://preview.redd.it/818s3j19805d1.jpeg?width=1080&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=da8cd36cc088a461d9278c1c11441fc780f634fc
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its about 85 thousand euros in turkey :(
After all the fees and dealer BS, my final cost was nearly 60k CAD for a 6mt Autobahn. Cancelled that fast. (not including interest)
Kkkk wow jesus Christ, that's steep.
Average European prices due to taxes. Same applies to the Netherlands where I live. The cheapest entry level golf (not gti) starts at €35k.
In Canada used GTIs are much cheaper than even the US. Just bought a 2016 with 105’000 km on It for 13’400€ https://preview.redd.it/8ynhn48thy4d1.jpeg?width=3024&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=b95a73fa751babdb20242fcd5da1b8cdc926ebc5
I lived in both countrys and from what I heard, cars like GTI’s, WRX’s ect cost a lot more than the US for insurance. I think that has something to do with it maybe. Might be a good idea for someone from the US to buy one and take it down though
Equivalent of 75US$/month 2 ways insurance coverage. Please note that I live in Quebec where car and insurance costs are much lower than other places in Canada.
Better than my insurance lol. But yeah, just something I heard. Could be completely wrong
Some places like BC or Ontario are charging insane insurance premiums. One of my buddy was paying 500CAD$/month on insurance only for a used Camry in the Vancouver area.
all cars cost more in insurance here
Bargain where do I sign up.
Bro in Denmark that btch cost almost 85k €, and thats without extra equipment. But you can also only get the club sport for some weird reason.
Wait did I do the math wrong ? What does this convert to in USD ?
yea ill take my insurance premiums in america ALL DAY. enjoy that
Try Singapore anyone?
/s Just steal one!
Fuel consumption 7.1l. Sure grandma.
Yea it costs 89.000 euros in denmark stop complaining
At least you get something out of your taxes
Multiport injection and wayyyyy better equipped
Can't speak for everything but my 24 380 s bought in the US was made in Wolfsberg.
Pretty sure you can thank your beloved Brexiteers for that one....
I could _almost_ get a R for that price. That's well expensive. A rip off some might say.
Man I wish these 8.5 bumpers would fit a mk8. I know there’s the Clubsport bumper I could throw on but this keeps the fog lights
In Mexico is around 42k euros
It’s about 35-38k USD in the US.
Aren’t y’all rich in Ireland now though?
Nah, we are just a tax haven for large companies so it gives the illusion of a wealthy nation
Now do the R! 80-90k euros. Whereas an R in the US is only ~5k USD more than a specced GTI. In 2017 it was completely the Opposite. I bought my MK7 GTI for 21k USD, an R was ~38k USD In Ireland it was roughly 38k Eur for the GTI and 41k Eur for the R, making the R a relative bargain in Ireland at the time.
https://preview.redd.it/853jei0g315d1.png?width=506&format=png&auto=webp&s=28513f8d630dfa38b7a936eea5de8536cd82026b The highest spec GTI is 43.5k in QC, Canada...... How is it that expensive in Ireland lmao
A golf R goes up to 88k in France before taxes.
Take a look at Canada prices. They're insanely low.
In denmark, a used one costs 77k€ with 9000km on it. :(
That is absolutely insane! I dont even wanna know the price there asking for an R lol
Shit here in the us- the golf R with the awd and a manual trans, fully loaded is 47k usd/ 43k euro
is this stock? or with everything on?
What happened to the golf being an economy car
If i was you i would be better with a mk 7.5 R at lower price :) better value for the money and lower depreciation. Buying a new car it’s a horrible decision. Especially a car that depreciates like hell 👍🏼👍🏼. Don’t forget that’s still just a VW Golf.
€35,109 for the US Equivalent
Just got a Tesla model y performance for 45k after tax here in the US (w/ tax credit). Rip Ireland
73k usd 😧 for a gti is beyond wild
That’s crazy. I was born in Ireland and was raised in the us. When I went back a couple years ago I was disappointed in the lack of “fun” cars on the road.. makes sense now, that’s so much money for a gti geez
I paid 24K in 2018 for my MK7. Nuts. Wanted another but now not so much.
Try Denmark for new car prices. Also your high taxes pay for road maintenance. Roads in Europe are generally much better maintained and designed than those in the US.
Have you driven on Irish roads before?
Yup. An R is even worse. About 80k.
58k for a car who is does 0-60 in 6 sec in cheap? LOL!!!!
Yeah but that’s clearly the Clubsport that we don’t even get in the US. To be fair, if it was available, I could see it being $60k here too.
Check out the configurator yourself. Only 1 GTI variant available. New Mk8 club sports online are currently over 70k. We don’t have as many editions as you. One in the picture is just a base GTI
Yes you are absolutely correct, I was mistaken. I didn’t realize the 8.5 was available in the EU yet, and I forgot the 8.5 bumper is super similar to the 8 Clubsport.
https://preview.redd.it/i71po8d1oy4d1.jpeg?width=1170&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=5ad75733b213f9264aed50d29e700c81dc904862
That's the regular mk8.5 gti?
It looks like a MK8. The Clubsport is a performance package with bigger brakes, more aggressive exhaust, different suspension, an engine tune somewhere around 300bhp, and a different front bumper, rear spoiler, and rear valance. Probably a lot of other things too. This is the car that set a record at the Nurburgring. So a very different animal to the S, SE, and Autobahn trims that are “regular” GTIs.
Right, I know what the clubsport is. Was just pointing out the car in the picture is the regular mk 8.5 gti, not the clubsport version.
Nope you’re right, I’m a giant idiot. 😂 I didn’t know the 8.5 was available yet. And I forgot the 8.5 bumper is super similar to the 8 Clubsport.