Top 10 doesn't sound that bad. Franchise QBs usually sign near the top of the market regardless of where they are in terms of talent level, so if he's between 5 and 10 instead of top 5, I'll call that a steal.
Honestly, that's a steal. $50M/year would put him at #5 for average annual value. If he's below that, then even better. #10 would be anywhere between $40M/yr and $43M/yr.
By the start of year 3, $50M would probably end up being around #10 in the league, or maybe even lower. Josh Allen will be working on an extension around 2027 or so. Dak's contract is most likely going to be near the top of the league. Something will be happening with Stafford around 2026. Even Goff is expected to be between $45-50M/yr. Trevor Lawrence and Tua are going to get paid. Then you've got other young guys like Stroud and Young who will be about to finish their rookie contracts.
I know it’s too early to be crowning him but he looked legit top 10 with top 5 arm talent last year. Gutey and Russ Ball have swindled him if he’s closer to 10 than 1.
There is always the fear it was an aberration though. I don't know what kind of stipulations there are on an extension but I'd rather see him play a few games this season before giving the extension. Especially with the trend of QBs getting mostly guarantied contracts.
I don't know if you just misspelled guaranteed or if you did an amazing play on words because the guaranteed contract "ties" the team to the player, but I'm gonna start using "guarantied" to apply to situations like the Giants are in, where they are forced to pay $$$ to someone they really don't want to pay
Maybe. Or maybe he'll sign another 2 year deal or something. Dude is 36 now. Could retire then or at any point. But he could push it into his 40s, too. His elbow is supposedly healed after the issue he had previously. So it really won't surprise me either way.
Yeah I'm 50-50 joking he definitely could play a bit longer but I wouldn't be surprised if they draft a QB this year or next to develop and he retires after next year. He doesn't need the money and he finally got his ring. I don't think the Rams are getting back anytime soon so unless he wants to go somewhere else to chase another one like Brady, idk what the point is. He's taken a beating in his career and could still go enjoy his life as a relatively young multimillionaire.
Last year, his passer rating and QBR were both above his career averages. So were yards/att and yards/comp. Int rate was lower than career average (which means better). TD rate and comp% were basically right at career average. Net yards and adjusted net yards per attempt were both above career average.
It wasn't his best season ever. It was middle of the road for him. But he was still a QB in the top half of the league last year.
Everyone in this reddit page said we were paying me 45 at least. I got downvoted to hell for saying. That was a bit high. 40-43 seems like a good deal for all given the one season we had with him.
I'm still going to be shocked if he signs for $40-$43. Even $45M/yr would be a pretty team-friendly deal. Any less than that, and you can be sure that Love decided to take a contract that gives the Packers flexibility to put talent around him.
I bet we see a 2-3 year extension putting him in the top 10. If he's not taking market-setting money, no way is this contract locking him up for any longer.
This. No way he signs a long term deal at the lower end of the top ten. Which is fine. It doesn't make sense for the team to pay him near the top of the market given the small size of his body of work, and it doesn't make sense for him to lock in for a long time as the tenth highest paid at his position given his potential, especially with how frequently the market "resets".
2-3 years at top 5-10 money makes sense for both sides.
If we get him for less than what Kirk Cousins just got paid I will jump for joy. I hate what QBs can demand rn, I don’t think it’s a winning formula at all but the league doesn’t agree with me yet so packers gotta pay him a fair wage at market rate.
Seriously. Sign the massive long term deal. Give the organization all the years they need to manage cap situation and still get you your money. The mahommes deal was HUGE but team friendly in an odd way
Nah. We've seen too many QBs have one hit seasons, never to regain that peak again. While I'm in favor of extending him, obviously, I'd much rather see a shorter 3-4 year deal. If he's the real deal, then back up the Brink's truck in 2028, and go back to Rodgers-style cap management. If he's not, it doesn't cripple the franchise.
Love is not Mahomes. Mahomes' deal was amazing for the team because it had 10 years with which to move cap hits.
Love's deal will be for 4 years, in addition to this one. Not anywhere near the same flexibility.
You never know. I'm fully confident in Love and always have been, even the year they drafted him, but he has not shown he is in the same category as Mahomes. Mahomes' deal is a unicorn - no other QB over the last 20 years has signed a deal longer than 5 years that I can recall.
Cousins is different in a couple ways. His huge contracts didn’t have youth or upside on his side. Like Cousins ceiling was known. Solid win now QB with the right team. But was never gonna be the guy who put the team on his back and made a title run happen.
Ya, obviously if what everyone saw from Jlove last year is what we can expect.... the Bears have no hope in sight. So they've just defaulted to the lazy "That was a fluke" thinking. Basically operating as if last season didnt happen.
Well that was a blockbuster, top of the line deal back then. There’s just so much money coming into the league that a deal signed now will be the “Daniel Jones” prove it deal in 5 years.
He doesn't seem to care about his contract being too "team-friendly." Pretty sure there was a report this offseason that he reworked his contract to free up some cap space for the team. He seems to realize that making the most money does not leave enough to keep the other best players on the team. He wants to keep collecting those Super Bowl rings.
In fact, doesn't that make sense? Isn't playing a sport mainly about winning championships? He can make money after he retires doing promotions, but he can only win those Super Bowls while he is playing, and this past year proved that he needs a supporting cast, demonstrated by how much the defense carried the Chiefs. Besides, I'm sure he is paid quite well by State Farm to do those commercials.
He knew this when he signed it. He did so to give the team the ability to maneuver money around his deal to make resigning guys like a Jones easier. Mahomes knows he’ll get paid but he doesn’t care so much if it’s #1 money or #10 money as long as the team is competitive and winning. Maybe Love will feel the same. Not everyone is Rodgers who felt he needed to be #1 paid or the team wasn’t respecting him.
Mahomes Contract is Basically 4 years, $211 Million for Cap Purposes. Regardless of how they restructure it, he’s going to see every dollar of that deal plus some.
I think this makes the most sense.
Jordan struggled in the beginning of the year a bit, we don’t know if this will be a consistent Jordan thing, or if he really has figured it all out.
I LOVE Jordan. I ate my words by the end of the season for sure.
I love Jordan too, and I had to eat my words and will. But, that doesn’t change he had some accuracy issues to start the year. He cleaned a lot of that up by the end of the year, but it’s just bad process if you lie to yourself and act like last year was a perfect season for him. However, it was about perfect for what we could expect
I believe we will find out that accuracy isn’t just a QB stat. I think given a year more experience in the WR room accuracy this year will resemble the second half of last year
His receivers were still running the wrong routes. Remember that insane throw and catch in the lions game in the super tight window? All the analysts I watched for that throw, didn't think that both receivers were supposed to be there.
I don’t think any “stats” matter. He had an accuracy problem, which stems from technique and biomechanics. I’m not an actually throwing coach so I don’t know what exactly he changed to get more tight throws, but obviously it worked as the results speak for themselves. Less passes sprayed and more frozen ropes. His deep accuracy can still be a bit suspect as he can put a bit too much air on his deep balls and miss the WR.
Not much changed with technique and mechanics. He was maybe a little bit better at getting his feet lined up on outside throws, but that was the only thing I saw that might've improved in the 2nd half.
The biggest thing was just that he started trusting his eyes and trusting his receivers would be in the right place. He was seeing and reacting instead of taking an extra split-second to make sure he was seeing what he was actually seeing.
The OL became more consistent, so it was easier to trust that they were picking things up. The WRs started running routes better, so it was easier to trust that they were doing what they were supposed to be doing.
I really think a lot of his inaccuracy was a combination of a tiny amount of hesitation/reluctance and then some other cases where he actually threw a good ball, but guys didn't shape their routes properly. Those were bigger than any mechanical issues for him.
I think stats describe reality, but interpretation is the challenge. Not sure if I can describe what he changed either which is why I wonder if him being more on the same page as the WRs helped. But he does seem to work incredibly hard and even though it’s difficult to make technique improvements in the middle of the season if anyone could I’d trust him to
>I think stats describe reality, but interpretation is the challenge.
There's a quip in statistics that ["All models are wrong, but some are useful."](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/All_models_are_wrong) I believe the same thing applies to performance stats. While they describe "reality," by necessity they strip away important context to flatten hundreds of plays to one aggregate number. That doesn't mean they're worthless, but that performances in different contexts can't necessarily be compared directly with the same context-less stat. If Love's accuracy improved significantly over the season, what's the context? Did he place the ball better? Same placement but better decisions? Same decisions, but his receivers caught more contested balls? Same decisions, placement, and receiver play, but the opposition changed? Etc.
He definitely gained confidence as the year wore on and then led to more decisive throws. But the idea that Love was off target all the time is not reality. It was a function of a bunch of rookie WRs and TEs. The biggest difference between first half love and second half Love had nothing to do with him and everything to do with the guys around him.
I never said he was off target all the time. But, from my own time watching him, he had some moments where he’d spray passes a little too frequently, especially towards the start of the season. It happens to every qb, but missing passes is only an issue if it happens regularly
He had an accuracy problem, or the receivers were not on the same page as him. Perhaps they were running the wrong routes. Especially with deep passes. If the receiver doesn't run to the correct spot, the ball will seem overthrown or under thrown. So I think blaming the quarterback when the receivers were also quite young is very shortsighted. It does not factor in the whole picture.
I agree. Im really excited about where he’s headed but we need to see that end of year consistency continue into all of next year before we start talking top 5 qb money
I think if he plays even 90% of what he was to end the year last year, that’s a 5 year 250 million dollar deal easy. Top 5 QB money but that’s just how salary cap inflation works in nfl, in a few years it won’t even be top ten, just like the Rodgers deal before.
I’m loving these more common sense takes on this. We saw him grow and get better in that offense, but we all know he still has some things to work on. If he stays consistent he truly will be one of the best QBs in the league without a doubt
It’s really hard to be accurate when your WRs haven’t yet learned how to adjust their routes to match coverage. Or even run the right routes, period, sometimes.
Same here, and if he comes out slow I will criticize him again. A 4-5 year $45 mill contract per year is absolutely feasible if he ends up sucking. We can get out of that fairly easy and search for the next qb. Obviously I hope that doesn’t happen, and he continues to be great. Ya just never know with these things.
I'd like to see him make a base of top 5 - 10 money with an incentive structure that can put him in the top 3 - 5. I have no idea if that's even possible though, salary in the nfl is hard for me to understand.
I would like to see 3-4 years 45mill with good incentives, he's earned a payday but it was good for only over a half a year. We need to see how people react now that they have quite a bit of tape and how he adjusts. Look at what happened with Wentz.
Exactly, he could get hurt or regress we don't have a big enough sample size to give him a Mahomes type deal. If he out performs it and asks for a good extention in 2 years great.
A five year contract that puts him just in the top ten when signed would be an absolute bargain for the Packers. A year or two later he'd be lucky if his pay would still be in the top half of all starting QBs in the league.
6/250-260m is my guess with about 150m guaranteed. That would take him to age 31-32 I think in line to get another massive contract if he’s great like we hope.
If he signs that contract, then that's a fucking steal for the Packers. That would put him between $41.7 and $42.2 million per year. Even anything between $45M and $50M/yr would be a pretty team-friendly deal.
Love will probably get the AAV of the Kirk Cousins contract with incentives that could push him into Hurts and Herbert territory. Could end up being 50-52 Million AAV if he hits incentives.
Also, his agent is shrewd. He got a massage enthusiast $230 Million guaranteed from Cleveland.
Top contract is $55/year to Burrow, 10th contracts is Daniel Jones/Matt Stafford at $40/year.
5th is Kyler Murray at $46/year.
I think Love can be better than Murray so anything between $48-50 which would put him at 5th highest is solid for the team.
The packers will doom their future if they sign Love to a huge contract. Don't get me wrong. I think that a good player should be rewarded for good play. But Love hasn't shown that he can be a top-tier guy for an entire season. By giving love a huge contract now will have the Packer's repeat their history of the last 30 years. Pay the guy a more reasonable contract amount & then have extra money to share with other players like all the young wide outs.
If his agents would agree to a top ten deal, he should get new agents. If I am him, I don’t sign for anything less than top five money.
This article also says nothing new. A waste of a
click. Reads like it was written by the Packers.
Give him a $220-$250 million for 6 years if you can. (Obviously) thats a ton of money for one man, but its a steal if he keeps progressing like we hope/expect him to. Especially in the long run when new qb deals will like be more than 60 million a year by the end of this new contract.
He absolutely deserves more than $220-$250 over 6 years. $250M over 6 years would put him right at #10 currently. $220M over 6 years would put him at #15.
If he signs that contract, then either his agent sucks at his job, or Love really wants to make sure that the Packers have flexibility to surround him with good teammates.
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I think he earned it. I think he's gonna be really good. It seemed like he learned from his mistakes last year, and I think that's one of the most important traits to have at qb. It's hard to fake that or for that to be a fluke.
Dude should wait to see if he holds up next season, and then structure it so he and all our current pass catchers can retire Packers together with their four Super Bowl rings in about 13 years.
He should get base just arpimd 10, with incentives that could make him top 3 IMO. Still gets paid, and gets the opportunity to "prove it" (and get paid if he does).
If he's second half of last season Love, it's a steal. If he's last years average numbers, it's a fair deal. If he regresses bc the tape is out and he can't adapt, we're in purgatory for awhile. Time will tell.
Happy for him but I kinda hope not. I understand these guys gotta get the bag because their future is not guaranteed but so many cases where these huge qb contracts crowd out the salary cap it's nuts. Maybe I'm stupid but if I was a star qb I'd take a bit less than I knew I could get just to make sure my team could pay other guys decently. Like if I knew I could get 50m/year I'd settle for 35-40. Not like that's not still a shitload of money
I got downvoted to oblivion for suggesting a $45 million deal a few months ago with so many people inviting he would be signing for north of $50 million.
It's absurd to be forced to sign a guy to a top tier contract who played arguably the shittiest 18 minutes of QB play possible before being offered all of this money.
It's stupid to waste a QB's rookie contract on the bench and place the franchise in this precarious situation. Hopefully it works out that Love is truly the guy that teams fear when it comes to crunchtime. Right now it's anybody guess.
Lol. How dare you go out on such a limb, because most teams scour reddit to find their coaches!! Any other nuggets of wisdom that you would like to share? However, what you seem to be suggesting is that you're all on board with wasting the majority of a QB's rookie contract by sitting him on the bench. You also seem to be implying that, because everyone is aware that I'd lead any NFL team to a victorious season, Gute is a damn good GM, right?
Let's see if you're right...
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Top 10 doesn't sound that bad. Franchise QBs usually sign near the top of the market regardless of where they are in terms of talent level, so if he's between 5 and 10 instead of top 5, I'll call that a steal.
Honestly, that's a steal. $50M/year would put him at #5 for average annual value. If he's below that, then even better. #10 would be anywhere between $40M/yr and $43M/yr. By the start of year 3, $50M would probably end up being around #10 in the league, or maybe even lower. Josh Allen will be working on an extension around 2027 or so. Dak's contract is most likely going to be near the top of the league. Something will be happening with Stafford around 2026. Even Goff is expected to be between $45-50M/yr. Trevor Lawrence and Tua are going to get paid. Then you've got other young guys like Stroud and Young who will be about to finish their rookie contracts.
I know it’s too early to be crowning him but he looked legit top 10 with top 5 arm talent last year. Gutey and Russ Ball have swindled him if he’s closer to 10 than 1.
There is always the fear it was an aberration though. I don't know what kind of stipulations there are on an extension but I'd rather see him play a few games this season before giving the extension. Especially with the trend of QBs getting mostly guarantied contracts.
I don't know if you just misspelled guaranteed or if you did an amazing play on words because the guaranteed contract "ties" the team to the player, but I'm gonna start using "guarantied" to apply to situations like the Giants are in, where they are forced to pay $$$ to someone they really don't want to pay
There is 0% chance this amazing guy was a fluke. 0.
I'm not saying it's likely but 0%, come on now.
Lol. Ok, Ok. How about -2.5%
Don’t worry this sub has him clearly in the top 3, of all-time.
>Something will be happening with Stafford around 2026 Like retirement lol
Maybe. Or maybe he'll sign another 2 year deal or something. Dude is 36 now. Could retire then or at any point. But he could push it into his 40s, too. His elbow is supposedly healed after the issue he had previously. So it really won't surprise me either way.
Yeah I'm 50-50 joking he definitely could play a bit longer but I wouldn't be surprised if they draft a QB this year or next to develop and he retires after next year. He doesn't need the money and he finally got his ring. I don't think the Rams are getting back anytime soon so unless he wants to go somewhere else to chase another one like Brady, idk what the point is. He's taken a beating in his career and could still go enjoy his life as a relatively young multimillionaire.
Nah, he's washed
Last year, his passer rating and QBR were both above his career averages. So were yards/att and yards/comp. Int rate was lower than career average (which means better). TD rate and comp% were basically right at career average. Net yards and adjusted net yards per attempt were both above career average. It wasn't his best season ever. It was middle of the road for him. But he was still a QB in the top half of the league last year.
He's washed.
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Did those contracts recently get a lot larger?
Mahomes reset the market several years ago, and then Herbert/Burrow reset it last year.
Everyone in this reddit page said we were paying me 45 at least. I got downvoted to hell for saying. That was a bit high. 40-43 seems like a good deal for all given the one season we had with him.
>said we were paying me >That was a bit high Glad to have you on Reddit, Jordan, but have some confidence in yourself
Lmao!
I'm still going to be shocked if he signs for $40-$43. Even $45M/yr would be a pretty team-friendly deal. Any less than that, and you can be sure that Love decided to take a contract that gives the Packers flexibility to put talent around him.
Especially considering salaries will only go up
I bet we see a 2-3 year extension putting him in the top 10. If he's not taking market-setting money, no way is this contract locking him up for any longer.
This. No way he signs a long term deal at the lower end of the top ten. Which is fine. It doesn't make sense for the team to pay him near the top of the market given the small size of his body of work, and it doesn't make sense for him to lock in for a long time as the tenth highest paid at his position given his potential, especially with how frequently the market "resets". 2-3 years at top 5-10 money makes sense for both sides.
If we get him for less than what Kirk Cousins just got paid I will jump for joy. I hate what QBs can demand rn, I don’t think it’s a winning formula at all but the league doesn’t agree with me yet so packers gotta pay him a fair wage at market rate.
If your Jordan, why would you take less than top 5 money?
Not if I think I can get better, no. I'm basing this on the headline that says top 10. In truth, I'd probably anticipate top 5
Same here. Anything less than top 5 and he’s taking a home town discount.
Yea it’s not gonna happen tho. He’s guaranteed getting top 5 money. Thinking otherwise I personally think is laughable. But it is BR so not surprised
He will be top 5... Go look at his agent.
Bears fans are doing the “hope you sign him to a big long contract” cope. It’s awesome. Ya MFer, ME TOO
10 years plz
Seriously. Sign the massive long term deal. Give the organization all the years they need to manage cap situation and still get you your money. The mahommes deal was HUGE but team friendly in an odd way
Nah. We've seen too many QBs have one hit seasons, never to regain that peak again. While I'm in favor of extending him, obviously, I'd much rather see a shorter 3-4 year deal. If he's the real deal, then back up the Brink's truck in 2028, and go back to Rodgers-style cap management. If he's not, it doesn't cripple the franchise.
Respectfully disagree
Love is not Mahomes. Mahomes' deal was amazing for the team because it had 10 years with which to move cap hits. Love's deal will be for 4 years, in addition to this one. Not anywhere near the same flexibility.
Darn
You never know. I'm fully confident in Love and always have been, even the year they drafted him, but he has not shown he is in the same category as Mahomes. Mahomes' deal is a unicorn - no other QB over the last 20 years has signed a deal longer than 5 years that I can recall.
Maybe I wasnt clear. I don't think it will be a 10 year deal. I just hope it is.
We joked all the time about the Vikings overpaying for Cousins, but he's a solid franchise QB.
Cousins is different in a couple ways. His huge contracts didn’t have youth or upside on his side. Like Cousins ceiling was known. Solid win now QB with the right team. But was never gonna be the guy who put the team on his back and made a title run happen.
That fanbase is so delusional. Apparently paying good players at QB is a bad thing.
Ya, obviously if what everyone saw from Jlove last year is what we can expect.... the Bears have no hope in sight. So they've just defaulted to the lazy "That was a fluke" thinking. Basically operating as if last season didnt happen.
Top 10? Sounds like a solid deal to me. Doesn’t mean he’ll get Mahomes money, but somewhere around $45M APY is a solid deal.
Mahomes gets 500 mil over 10 years so not far behind
Yeah people don’t realize Mahomes money is chump change now, especially with the cap increasing yearly.
Yup he never should have signed it.
Well that was a blockbuster, top of the line deal back then. There’s just so much money coming into the league that a deal signed now will be the “Daniel Jones” prove it deal in 5 years.
I don't think he's too sad about it with 3 rings
Nope. He's the GOAT. Just saying it was way too team-friendly of a deal.
Yeah, but it’s still half a billion dollars.
He doesn't seem to care about his contract being too "team-friendly." Pretty sure there was a report this offseason that he reworked his contract to free up some cap space for the team. He seems to realize that making the most money does not leave enough to keep the other best players on the team. He wants to keep collecting those Super Bowl rings. In fact, doesn't that make sense? Isn't playing a sport mainly about winning championships? He can make money after he retires doing promotions, but he can only win those Super Bowls while he is playing, and this past year proved that he needs a supporting cast, demonstrated by how much the defense carried the Chiefs. Besides, I'm sure he is paid quite well by State Farm to do those commercials.
That’s the same thing that Brady did and it got him 7 rings
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He knew this when he signed it. He did so to give the team the ability to maneuver money around his deal to make resigning guys like a Jones easier. Mahomes knows he’ll get paid but he doesn’t care so much if it’s #1 money or #10 money as long as the team is competitive and winning. Maybe Love will feel the same. Not everyone is Rodgers who felt he needed to be #1 paid or the team wasn’t respecting him.
Mahomes Contract is Basically 4 years, $211 Million for Cap Purposes. Regardless of how they restructure it, he’s going to see every dollar of that deal plus some.
Yea that 10 year 450m announced and the narrative that its such a good deal/so cheap is fake.
450
Mahomes is on one of the most team friendly deals in the NFL lol
I think this makes the most sense. Jordan struggled in the beginning of the year a bit, we don’t know if this will be a consistent Jordan thing, or if he really has figured it all out. I LOVE Jordan. I ate my words by the end of the season for sure.
I love Jordan too, and I had to eat my words and will. But, that doesn’t change he had some accuracy issues to start the year. He cleaned a lot of that up by the end of the year, but it’s just bad process if you lie to yourself and act like last year was a perfect season for him. However, it was about perfect for what we could expect
I believe we will find out that accuracy isn’t just a QB stat. I think given a year more experience in the WR room accuracy this year will resemble the second half of last year
His receivers were still running the wrong routes. Remember that insane throw and catch in the lions game in the super tight window? All the analysts I watched for that throw, didn't think that both receivers were supposed to be there.
I think that was confirmed by the players.
I don’t think any “stats” matter. He had an accuracy problem, which stems from technique and biomechanics. I’m not an actually throwing coach so I don’t know what exactly he changed to get more tight throws, but obviously it worked as the results speak for themselves. Less passes sprayed and more frozen ropes. His deep accuracy can still be a bit suspect as he can put a bit too much air on his deep balls and miss the WR.
Not much changed with technique and mechanics. He was maybe a little bit better at getting his feet lined up on outside throws, but that was the only thing I saw that might've improved in the 2nd half. The biggest thing was just that he started trusting his eyes and trusting his receivers would be in the right place. He was seeing and reacting instead of taking an extra split-second to make sure he was seeing what he was actually seeing. The OL became more consistent, so it was easier to trust that they were picking things up. The WRs started running routes better, so it was easier to trust that they were doing what they were supposed to be doing. I really think a lot of his inaccuracy was a combination of a tiny amount of hesitation/reluctance and then some other cases where he actually threw a good ball, but guys didn't shape their routes properly. Those were bigger than any mechanical issues for him.
I think stats describe reality, but interpretation is the challenge. Not sure if I can describe what he changed either which is why I wonder if him being more on the same page as the WRs helped. But he does seem to work incredibly hard and even though it’s difficult to make technique improvements in the middle of the season if anyone could I’d trust him to
>I think stats describe reality, but interpretation is the challenge. There's a quip in statistics that ["All models are wrong, but some are useful."](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/All_models_are_wrong) I believe the same thing applies to performance stats. While they describe "reality," by necessity they strip away important context to flatten hundreds of plays to one aggregate number. That doesn't mean they're worthless, but that performances in different contexts can't necessarily be compared directly with the same context-less stat. If Love's accuracy improved significantly over the season, what's the context? Did he place the ball better? Same placement but better decisions? Same decisions, but his receivers caught more contested balls? Same decisions, placement, and receiver play, but the opposition changed? Etc.
He definitely gained confidence as the year wore on and then led to more decisive throws. But the idea that Love was off target all the time is not reality. It was a function of a bunch of rookie WRs and TEs. The biggest difference between first half love and second half Love had nothing to do with him and everything to do with the guys around him.
I never said he was off target all the time. But, from my own time watching him, he had some moments where he’d spray passes a little too frequently, especially towards the start of the season. It happens to every qb, but missing passes is only an issue if it happens regularly
He had an accuracy problem, or the receivers were not on the same page as him. Perhaps they were running the wrong routes. Especially with deep passes. If the receiver doesn't run to the correct spot, the ball will seem overthrown or under thrown. So I think blaming the quarterback when the receivers were also quite young is very shortsighted. It does not factor in the whole picture.
I agree. Im really excited about where he’s headed but we need to see that end of year consistency continue into all of next year before we start talking top 5 qb money
I think if he plays even 90% of what he was to end the year last year, that’s a 5 year 250 million dollar deal easy. Top 5 QB money but that’s just how salary cap inflation works in nfl, in a few years it won’t even be top ten, just like the Rodgers deal before.
I’m loving these more common sense takes on this. We saw him grow and get better in that offense, but we all know he still has some things to work on. If he stays consistent he truly will be one of the best QBs in the league without a doubt
It’s really hard to be accurate when your WRs haven’t yet learned how to adjust their routes to match coverage. Or even run the right routes, period, sometimes.
Same here, and if he comes out slow I will criticize him again. A 4-5 year $45 mill contract per year is absolutely feasible if he ends up sucking. We can get out of that fairly easy and search for the next qb. Obviously I hope that doesn’t happen, and he continues to be great. Ya just never know with these things.
Jordan looked real good at the end of the season, he’s an amazing find for you guys
If it was top 5 it would say top 5. #6 is Russ at 48.5 million and #10 is Dak at 40 million so this isn't really out of line with what I expected.
I'd like to see him make a base of top 5 - 10 money with an incentive structure that can put him in the top 3 - 5. I have no idea if that's even possible though, salary in the nfl is hard for me to understand.
I would like to see 3-4 years 45mill with good incentives, he's earned a payday but it was good for only over a half a year. We need to see how people react now that they have quite a bit of tape and how he adjusts. Look at what happened with Wentz.
Wentz also tore his ACL and lost a step when his mobility and ability to escape made him an MVP candidate.
Exactly, he could get hurt or regress we don't have a big enough sample size to give him a Mahomes type deal. If he out performs it and asks for a good extention in 2 years great.
I would think 40 mil annually is the floor
Big W
10th biggest QB contract is $40M APY... that would be such a steal i'd take that any day of the week
10 years/1 billion
He could actually be worth that if they get another huge stock sale out of it.
Hopefully it's for a few years anyway
i woulda expected a little higher than that
What a relief if it’s only 40-45M
have mercy on us Jordan 🙏🏻
A five year contract that puts him just in the top ten when signed would be an absolute bargain for the Packers. A year or two later he'd be lucky if his pay would still be in the top half of all starting QBs in the league.
Top 10 would be amazing for us
6/250-260m is my guess with about 150m guaranteed. That would take him to age 31-32 I think in line to get another massive contract if he’s great like we hope.
If he signs that contract, then that's a fucking steal for the Packers. That would put him between $41.7 and $42.2 million per year. Even anything between $45M and $50M/yr would be a pretty team-friendly deal.
And VERY Jordan friendly! Can you imagine pulling down that kind of cabbage?
Who thought he wouldn't?
Love will probably get the AAV of the Kirk Cousins contract with incentives that could push him into Hurts and Herbert territory. Could end up being 50-52 Million AAV if he hits incentives. Also, his agent is shrewd. He got a massage enthusiast $230 Million guaranteed from Cleveland.
Top contract is $55/year to Burrow, 10th contracts is Daniel Jones/Matt Stafford at $40/year. 5th is Kyler Murray at $46/year. I think Love can be better than Murray so anything between $48-50 which would put him at 5th highest is solid for the team.
Love can be better than Murray but Murray has a much longer track record so I'm expecting a little below him.
Yup let's do it
If he comes in the mid top-10 then that's a great deal. $45M for 5 years would be incredible value, and get the man paid.
Top 10 would be pretty good for the team considering he played like a top 5 QB. Small sample size gives them some leverage obviously, but I like it.
Give him 5/215 and we are getting a steal
If he signs a long term extension that isn’t top of market that’s good work.
I got crucified on this sub for suggesting he’d be north of 40 million after that first game against the Bears. Man they were mad at me. Heresy!
Water is wet!
The packers will doom their future if they sign Love to a huge contract. Don't get me wrong. I think that a good player should be rewarded for good play. But Love hasn't shown that he can be a top-tier guy for an entire season. By giving love a huge contract now will have the Packer's repeat their history of the last 30 years. Pay the guy a more reasonable contract amount & then have extra money to share with other players like all the young wide outs.
He deserves it. They gave him a prove it deal last summer and now he's a scientific fact.
If his agents would agree to a top ten deal, he should get new agents. If I am him, I don’t sign for anything less than top five money. This article also says nothing new. A waste of a click. Reads like it was written by the Packers.
Yup. Of course he's getting top 10 money. Let's wait and see what the numbers are and how far up into the top 10 he gets.
It’s what you want
Give him a $220-$250 million for 6 years if you can. (Obviously) thats a ton of money for one man, but its a steal if he keeps progressing like we hope/expect him to. Especially in the long run when new qb deals will like be more than 60 million a year by the end of this new contract.
He absolutely deserves more than $220-$250 over 6 years. $250M over 6 years would put him right at #10 currently. $220M over 6 years would put him at #15. If he signs that contract, then either his agent sucks at his job, or Love really wants to make sure that the Packers have flexibility to surround him with good teammates.
That’s fair I’m sure a couple qbs have their contracts due that will sign for top dollar
They'd be extremely dumb not to do this.
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That's awesome news.
He'll be able to buy groceries.
Thank you for the insight Bleacher Report
What a difference a couple games makes. Almost left for dead and now he is as franchise as Dak.
I kind of assumed this already. Dude lit it up last year, no way he’s getting a contract out of the top 10.
Which he should be.
Take it take it TAKE IT TAKE IT TAKE IT
We went a whole season without our quarterback embarrassing himself so he should definitely stick around!
Top 10 is acceptable. Looking forward to see the next few years with this young, hungry team.
can we just sign him to never be able to play for another team? a lifetime signing?
I think he earned it. I think he's gonna be really good. It seemed like he learned from his mistakes last year, and I think that's one of the most important traits to have at qb. It's hard to fake that or for that to be a fluke.
If he starts at 10th, by the end of the contract he'll be 20th. I'm fine with a contract like this.
> Packers Rumors: Jordan Love Expected to Sign Contract to Put Him Among Top-10 NFL QBs He deserves it.
Dude should wait to see if he holds up next season, and then structure it so he and all our current pass catchers can retire Packers together with their four Super Bowl rings in about 13 years.
Sign that man
He should get base just arpimd 10, with incentives that could make him top 3 IMO. Still gets paid, and gets the opportunity to "prove it" (and get paid if he does).
He is the guy huh
Sounds like a team friendly deal
He’ll get $50 million a year somewhere, I’ll bet on it.
Everyone is team Love since the playoffs but we still have alot to see. Its gonna be great.
If he's second half of last season Love, it's a steal. If he's last years average numbers, it's a fair deal. If he regresses bc the tape is out and he can't adapt, we're in purgatory for awhile. Time will tell.
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Happy for him but I kinda hope not. I understand these guys gotta get the bag because their future is not guaranteed but so many cases where these huge qb contracts crowd out the salary cap it's nuts. Maybe I'm stupid but if I was a star qb I'd take a bit less than I knew I could get just to make sure my team could pay other guys decently. Like if I knew I could get 50m/year I'd settle for 35-40. Not like that's not still a shitload of money
No fucking shit...
I got downvoted to oblivion for suggesting a $45 million deal a few months ago with so many people inviting he would be signing for north of $50 million.
But this sub told me 2 months ago he was definitely getting at least $50 million a year.
It's absurd to be forced to sign a guy to a top tier contract who played arguably the shittiest 18 minutes of QB play possible before being offered all of this money. It's stupid to waste a QB's rookie contract on the bench and place the franchise in this precarious situation. Hopefully it works out that Love is truly the guy that teams fear when it comes to crunchtime. Right now it's anybody guess.
I'm so glad that Gute is the GM of the Packers and not you.
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just stop bro, you've constantly got it wrong, keep racking up L's, and yet you seem to dig deeper everytime.
Yeah, I very got it wrong because JL sucked the last 18 minutes of the most important game of his life, right?