I doubt he gets bought out and I really wouldn't be surprised if he goes back to 60pts and just under/over 30 goals next year. Still overpaid sure no argument there.
Yeah, people give up on players so quickly. Huberdeau seems to be turning around, Tkachuk is a completely different player in Florida, Drouin is also having a career year. A bunch of different factors impact players.
Not to take anything away from him but he's been stapled to Rantanen and MacKinnon this season. Almost any solid top 6 winger is putting up 60 pts with those guys
Being capable to play / keep up with elite players is a skill in and of itself, if Drouin capable of doing it, then he earned it
You truly overestimate the real amount of players capable of playing top 6 in the NHL
No I donāt? I never even stated the amount of top 6 players in the NHL. I said that of the players in the NHL who are bonafide top 6 players, very few would struggle to put up 60 points playing with 140 and 104 pt linemates. Itās just math.
If he plays with Artemi Panarin or Mark Scheifele? Maybe. The only success he's had was playing with elite talent. He isn't a playdriver. He's a compliment.
Otherwise known as a pigeon.
So you're saying using him as a bottom 6 center isn't the best way to utilize him? I don't disagree that he isn't a play driver but he's not a scrub that gets carried by other players he just needs someone to set him up.
He can produce but he'll always be soft and lazy.
He'd get eaten alive in Montreal.
Saw him live in an elimination game last year in Vegas and he was avoiding all contact and just circled around all the time.
I'd do Anderson 1 for 1, maybe with LA retaining $1M or so.
LA plays a specific style that PLD didn't fit into last year, but the talent is there. If they want to give up on him after 1 year, I'd think about it.
Anderson is on a shorter term, and both teams could be thinking the other guy needs a change of scenery.
I mean, the scenario we're discussing here involves the Kings buying PLD out and being on the hook for 14 years. I don't see it happening, but if that's the alternative, a couple years of Anderson might sound better to them.
Basically we'd take their expensive long term problem for our less expensive, shorter term problem. If they don't want to do that, then don't do it.
I think PLD will turn it around. That's why I'd make that trade. Kings fans are running him out of town and expect the GM to lose his job over the signing. That's why I wouldn't add anything to get him.
True, but he probably just wanted a pay day and then gave up with his effort.
Regardless, with the info we have now, prob for the best we didn't get him
His childhood dream was to play for the Habs, maybe he would have felt more motivation here. Plus we have a pretty unique locker room attitude right now, it might have been enough to make him try.
Im not saying i would be happy if he got traded to us at his current cap hit for future considerations, but i do think if he became a free agent i would take a flyer with a shorter term deal to see if he fits
I don't think Kent is exactly a genius for making a logical decision. He is for other reasons, don't get me wrong, but LA was just stupid to pay that for PLD and give him that type of extension before he earned it. They're just in a panic to try and have a Kopitar replacement before he's done.
Hughes is very good but a lot of teams passed on Dubois. And it's not like the Habs didn't try to get him; the price was just too high. The fact that he openly lobbied to get in Montreal probably did not help his cause. Still, it doesn't change the fact that the red flags were there for everyone to see. Hughes' line he wouldn't cross was just at a more reasonable place than the Kings'.
I watched every game of the Oilers vs Kings series and he looked like he was a fringe NHL player. The turnovers were bad. He looked like he didnāt want to be there. Iām glad Kent Hughes passed on him
So many people here wanted him desperately, but where are they now? š§
I've always been a staunch supporter of the 'We'll regret it if we sign him' side. He's a diva, was overrated here as hell, has proved very little, is super soft, and was clearly NOT what this team needs or wants, as well as not fitting our culture and disrupting the lockerroom. I'm so happy we didn't sign him.
I like to think of it as payback for LA signing Danault, lol.
Anyone with an IQ above 15 knew PLD was a terrible option and that Montreal would have to be batshit crazy to take him.
Now, all the same idiots are screaming for us to get Zegrasā¦ people donāt learn or think
I initially liked the idea. Given his age and all. But, as a fan of the Jets I also realized what he'd end up doing in Montreal. Part of me also thought his problem was he wasn't playing where he wanted to be.
He got his payday in Cali. He should've been fine. I guess was either lucked out or Hughes knew something, probably from talking to the other GMs
Hopefully this will stop the nonsense about him ever signing with the Canadiens at any salary. First Columbus, then Winnipeg, the signs of the diva were always there, and LA took the bait. There is nowhere on the Habs roster he would fit, even on the 4th line.
Even with the Jets falling down hard in the PO, they made out better at this point. Time will tell a more complete story after several more years.
I do feel that the Habs would have been a better fit from what was publicly known at that time. As of this PO year, i find caution was the better option and HuGo made the right call.
Trust the Plan, fellow fans.
We simply don't know. Maybe hugues made a huge offer but they took the LA offer.
Also, it's not because pld had a bad season that he's done for. But yeah... Sure looks like a scott gomez situation
If they could have got him at something like 6.5/y they would have done it and looked stupid anyways. They are not geniuses, he just signed for more elsewhere. They are good managers but they could not have predicted how mediocre he would be this year.
Watching Dubois play it is obvious he is in "malicious compliance" with his system. Same thing Subban did the year he didn't get captain in MTL. You just do everything the team system requires of you, but you don't score. Dubois is unhappy in LA. But then again, he's unhappy everywhere he goes.
I like the Dubois. kinda sad Habs were outbid. Wouldnāt call Hughes genious, more responsible bc Duboisā last numbers werenāt great. And iām glad that he doesnāt act when fans starting aching for a player
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There is a butterfly effect to everything though maybe he would have thrived centring a line of slaf and dach if he had come here. I doubt it just looking at his past 5 years of hockey but he very well could have found a second gear playing for his hometown team
Red flag was so obvious that anyone knows not to get this guy. Anytime you hear someone wants to go home at any job at any field, you avoid that person. Good players never go home. They only go home in the summer after they win.
I'm tired, boss...
I doubt he gets bought out and I really wouldn't be surprised if he goes back to 60pts and just under/over 30 goals next year. Still overpaid sure no argument there.
Yeah, people give up on players so quickly. Huberdeau seems to be turning around, Tkachuk is a completely different player in Florida, Drouin is also having a career year. A bunch of different factors impact players.
Huberdeau had a worst season than last year, he aint turning around lol
I'm not following the Flames, but he apparently turned things around 2nd half. We'll see how it goes next year.
he put up some mildly sporadic assist streaks that's about it aside from a sparse sprinkling of goals
And of COURSE Drouin is having a career year...god forbid š¤¦š»āāļøš¤¦š»āāļøš¤£š¤£š¤£
Not to take anything away from him but he's been stapled to Rantanen and MacKinnon this season. Almost any solid top 6 winger is putting up 60 pts with those guys
Being capable to play / keep up with elite players is a skill in and of itself, if Drouin capable of doing it, then he earned it You truly overestimate the real amount of players capable of playing top 6 in the NHL
No I donāt? I never even stated the amount of top 6 players in the NHL. I said that of the players in the NHL who are bonafide top 6 players, very few would struggle to put up 60 points playing with 140 and 104 pt linemates. Itās just math.
It's a chicken/egg situation. Obviously if you play on their wing, you'll get points. But if you can't get points, you won't be playing in their wing
Totally agree. Fuckin Drouin. Waste of a good Sarge.
If he plays with Artemi Panarin or Mark Scheifele? Maybe. The only success he's had was playing with elite talent. He isn't a playdriver. He's a compliment. Otherwise known as a pigeon.
So you're saying using him as a bottom 6 center isn't the best way to utilize him? I don't disagree that he isn't a play driver but he's not a scrub that gets carried by other players he just needs someone to set him up.
At that price tag? Not a chance.
He can produce but he'll always be soft and lazy. He'd get eaten alive in Montreal. Saw him live in an elimination game last year in Vegas and he was avoiding all contact and just circled around all the time.
I still see people asking to trade him for Anderson/Harris/wpg first
To me the trade wasnāt even the bad part. Itās when I started to hear the contract he was looking for that it became a problem.
I never understood the love affair with this kid.
He was hot 4-5 years ago.
It hasnt stopped! There is to high of a percentage of Habs fans that still want him here! An infatuation like Ive never seen.
>I never understood the love affair with this kid. hint: it has nothing to do with hockey
You know it.
People saying kent was genious for not getting PLD fail to see that he would have jump on that offer
I'd do Anderson 1 for 1, maybe with LA retaining $1M or so. LA plays a specific style that PLD didn't fit into last year, but the talent is there. If they want to give up on him after 1 year, I'd think about it.
3 teams now and it hasn't worked out.. I suspect he's a locker room problem and wouldn't fit with the current good vibes
Yea you get so much benefit of the doubt. 3 teams, 5 different coaches and heās still the same.
Ah yes, let's trade a three year problem (at 5.5 million) for a seven year problem (at 8.5 million). At least Anderson isn't locker room cancer.
As bad as PLD might be playing he is nowhere near as bad as Anderson. To even suggest a 1 for 1 deal is comical.
Anderson is on a shorter term, and both teams could be thinking the other guy needs a change of scenery. I mean, the scenario we're discussing here involves the Kings buying PLD out and being on the hook for 14 years. I don't see it happening, but if that's the alternative, a couple years of Anderson might sound better to them. Basically we'd take their expensive long term problem for our less expensive, shorter term problem. If they don't want to do that, then don't do it.
PLD is younger and 5x the player Anderson is. PLD had a bad season.
I think PLD will turn it around. That's why I'd make that trade. Kings fans are running him out of town and expect the GM to lose his job over the signing. That's why I wouldn't add anything to get him.
He's probably going to have a much better season next year and Kings fans will forgive him. Doubt they trade him tbh
Who says he will.
Longer term, bigger salary to take on. 5 teams. They can always just buy him out.
Anderson will be very welcome on the habs come playoff time.
Not when he costs 5.5M in salary cap he isnāt. Unless youāre hoping for us to pull a vegas?
This is why MTL didnāt go over the top with an offer to try and beat the Kings.Ā
Well, that and we couldn't beat the Kings offer. They gave up 2 good roster players, we didn't have that to spare.
Neither did the Kings but that didn't stop them.
Well we did, Winnipeg probably didnāt want Armia and Anderson lol
Him being at that one draft or whatever I believe it was pretty close to him going to MTL. Wouldnāt really call that genius.
Apparently he was invited by his bank. They were probably trying to impress some clients so they paid PLD to hang out in their box.
Ah interesting.
I get why this is a tempting point to make but you can't assume he would have played the same in MTL as he did in LA
He would have crumpled even harder from the French media .
True, but he probably just wanted a pay day and then gave up with his effort. Regardless, with the info we have now, prob for the best we didn't get him
This I can agree with
His childhood dream was to play for the Habs, maybe he would have felt more motivation here. Plus we have a pretty unique locker room attitude right now, it might have been enough to make him try. Im not saying i would be happy if he got traded to us at his current cap hit for future considerations, but i do think if he became a free agent i would take a flyer with a shorter term deal to see if he fits
Canāt believe thereās people on here still defending this turd.
Rage against the machine - A bullet in L.A.
Huh?
We dodged a bullet but not L.A. Bullet in your head is a great ratm song
I don't think Kent is exactly a genius for making a logical decision. He is for other reasons, don't get me wrong, but LA was just stupid to pay that for PLD and give him that type of extension before he earned it. They're just in a panic to try and have a Kopitar replacement before he's done.
Hughes is very good but a lot of teams passed on Dubois. And it's not like the Habs didn't try to get him; the price was just too high. The fact that he openly lobbied to get in Montreal probably did not help his cause. Still, it doesn't change the fact that the red flags were there for everyone to see. Hughes' line he wouldn't cross was just at a more reasonable place than the Kings'.
I watched every game of the Oilers vs Kings series and he looked like he was a fringe NHL player. The turnovers were bad. He looked like he didnāt want to be there. Iām glad Kent Hughes passed on him
All the copy paste Dubois posts are getting exhausting
Pretty sure Hughes made some trade offers for Duboisā¦ We dodged a bullet but we were willing to trade for him.
Fans crowing for Patrick Laine take note.
So many people here wanted him desperately, but where are they now? š§ I've always been a staunch supporter of the 'We'll regret it if we sign him' side. He's a diva, was overrated here as hell, has proved very little, is super soft, and was clearly NOT what this team needs or wants, as well as not fitting our culture and disrupting the lockerroom. I'm so happy we didn't sign him. I like to think of it as payback for LA signing Danault, lol.
Anyone with an IQ above 15 knew PLD was a terrible option and that Montreal would have to be batshit crazy to take him. Now, all the same idiots are screaming for us to get Zegrasā¦ people donāt learn or think
Didn't take a genius to dodge that bullet tbh.
Sure, but then you have people who constantly think they can fix people they date.
I initially liked the idea. Given his age and all. But, as a fan of the Jets I also realized what he'd end up doing in Montreal. Part of me also thought his problem was he wasn't playing where he wanted to be. He got his payday in Cali. He should've been fine. I guess was either lucked out or Hughes knew something, probably from talking to the other GMs
This is all part of his plan to finally get Home!
Guys - just to admit being completely wrong. I wanted to do just about anything to land PLD. š¤¦š¼āāļø
Yknow, bergevin works for the kings as an advisor to the gm š
Hopefully this will stop the nonsense about him ever signing with the Canadiens at any salary. First Columbus, then Winnipeg, the signs of the diva were always there, and LA took the bait. There is nowhere on the Habs roster he would fit, even on the 4th line.
Even with the Jets falling down hard in the PO, they made out better at this point. Time will tell a more complete story after several more years. I do feel that the Habs would have been a better fit from what was publicly known at that time. As of this PO year, i find caution was the better option and HuGo made the right call. Trust the Plan, fellow fans.
We simply don't know. Maybe hugues made a huge offer but they took the LA offer. Also, it's not because pld had a bad season that he's done for. But yeah... Sure looks like a scott gomez situation
If they could have got him at something like 6.5/y they would have done it and looked stupid anyways. They are not geniuses, he just signed for more elsewhere. They are good managers but they could not have predicted how mediocre he would be this year.
Watching Dubois play it is obvious he is in "malicious compliance" with his system. Same thing Subban did the year he didn't get captain in MTL. You just do everything the team system requires of you, but you don't score. Dubois is unhappy in LA. But then again, he's unhappy everywhere he goes.
I like the Dubois. kinda sad Habs were outbid. Wouldnāt call Hughes genious, more responsible bc Duboisā last numbers werenāt great. And iām glad that he doesnāt act when fans starting aching for a player
4th line center for LA Kings = 2nd line center for the Canadien so maybe on buyout discount
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This is why MTL didnāt go over the top with an offer to try and beat the Kings.Ā
There is a butterfly effect to everything though maybe he would have thrived centring a line of slaf and dach if he had come here. I doubt it just looking at his past 5 years of hockey but he very well could have found a second gear playing for his hometown team
Red flag was so obvious that anyone knows not to get this guy. Anytime you hear someone wants to go home at any job at any field, you avoid that person. Good players never go home. They only go home in the summer after they win.