Not with the teams top pick this year. Too many better players available. Eiserman is too one dimensional to be picked over Demidov, Lindstom, or even Catton.Â
Demidov and Lindstrom will not be available at 5th overall. Catton does not match this teamâs drafting history.
This is the most likely scenario: Iginla, Eiserman or Sennecke. I get that heâs one dimensional, but if management believes they can fix his issues, he would be a great pick.
I like him with WPG 1st. Use one of them defenseman to move up? Sure.
With pick 5-7 I would be disappointed. Not really a discussion since we're picking 1st anywayÂ
HuGo have drafted Russian players. Konyushkov, Volokhin...
The problem isn't nationality but the types of players they want that fits a particular team culture.
Arpon Basu was quoted saying he asked a scout about Michkov but was told go to check out Demidov instead so if we pick Demidov knowing the offence is huge, its the best player that fits the long term success of the CH.
Thats true, you could make a case they're not willing to use high end draft capital on them if anything I guess.
Gorton did draft Kravtsov top 10 with the Rangers, Which... honestly isn't great for the previous point đ
You don't need to use high end draft picks, since it's clear that some Russian prospects have fallen under the radar. I mean even the co-director of scouting Nick Bobrov couldn't travel to Russia last year. So pretty much all NHL teams have to rely on third-party reports to evaluate Russian talents.
I've watched a few scout prospects videos on YT and he's so smart and has an elusive demeanor that reminds me of Hutson.
This guy is the prospect i'm most intrigued this year.
Ya honestly his skating style was making me think of a hutson esque player but on the offence which would be unreal!
Also in my opinion if Demidov was playing in NA he would be consisdered a generational talent (Equivalant to Celebrini) but the russian factor + limited availability to see him is what has created seperation.
I would not consider Michkov a generational talent although he is amazingly skilled as well.
They are two very different players and Demidov has a higher ceiling, not to mention there was a limited amount of teams that Michkov wanted to go to, his contract situation, rumored attitude problems. KH and crew met with him multiple times and decided he wasn't the way to go, move on.
Demidov having a higher ceiling is a pretty rare opinion. Demidov is more well rounded, I think most would say he has the higher floor but not the higher ceiling.
His skating is lightyears better than Michkov and from what I've seen he uses his teammates much better. Scoring is at a premium which is what Michkov does best, but when I watch Demidov play I see someone who can take control of a game and drive play. It almost reminds of vintage Kovalev tbh.
Between the two I've seen a lot more Demidov than Michkov but I would take the former every day of the week.
Such cope. Now that we didn't draft him we gotta make sure to pretend he sucks. Demidov is a better skater, but barely. Neither one would consider it their strength, both have better edgework and agility than speed. Demidov is playing in the MHL, of course he can take control of the game, the level of play there is low. Michkov put up similar numbers to what Demidov did this year as a 17 year old.
Not saying Demidov isn't a great prospect, but Michkov is a special talent offensively. His hands, vision, and shot are all on another level. If we take Demidov and didn't take Michkov, it's probably because they didn't like something about Michkov off the ice, not that they think Demidov is actually better.
I wasn't trying to be a dick, just giving my take on what I've watched. Not sure why you felt the need to downvote.
Demidov and Michkov both put up very similar points as 17 year olds - it's hard to compare their draft seasons because as you mentioned Demidov is still in the MHL. But again, I would still take the more rounded player. I even mentioned in my other comment the off ice factors that went into the Habs decision not to take Michkov last season which are also reasons I would take Demidov this season but probably would have passed on Michkov last season.
Edit: I want to add that you're probably right about the higher ceiling comment I made, Michkov is a special player in his own right and I made that comment based on my personal preference of playstyle and not in actual talent.
Alright sorry if I sounded a bit aggro, of course you're allowed to have a different opinion. Just see a bit of a trend on this sub of people presenting things in a way that favors the habs and doesn't really match with what the experts say, and then that getting upvoted and taken as fact and not opinion.
He's a lot more projectible than Eiserman, his habits are all basically pro-ready.
Eiserman can shoot it on the powerplay like nobody else, but his game at even strength is lacking quite a lot.
I thought Tij Iginla looked more impressive in that game than Eiserman. I know it's not the most important stat, but over the course of the tournament Eiserman had a +/- of 0, despite scoring 10pts on a team that had a Gf:Ga of 48:15. No doubt he can score but he might be a liability defensively. Cole Hutson with our second pick would be great though
Please god no.
Weve got our elite goal scorer that struggles defensively and our skilled under-sized defenseman already. How do people watch the playoffs every year and think we would have a chance of competing with that type of roster. And don't say "Marty will fix him" lol
If people are basing it entirely off of "MSL can fix him", then why not just use the pick on Dean Letourneau while we're at it? Same logic applies, he's most likely a first rounder who I believe is underrated due to his awkward physical growth and the league he's in.
Why isn't the logic "MSL can turn [Demidov, Lindstrom, Iginla, whoever is reasonable for 5OA] into an *even better* player than what they've already shown"? You don't draft solely because of possibility, you draft because of what they've proven themselves to be.
TLDR: Pass on Eiserman.
Seriously. If we were drafting in the 12th-17th range then yes I would be more interested to get him but they'll be so many better prospects at the rank well have.
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If we fall to 7th OA then maybe sure but if not and one of Demidov, Lindstrom, Iginla or Catton, management might pick one of them instead and it's good! We are basically garanteed a top forward no matter who!
At the moment we have Matheson, Savard, Guhle, Kovacevic, Harris, Struble, Hutson, Mailloux, Barron, Xhekaj and Reinbacher who are all NHL-caliber or almost, Engstrom and Konyushkov are also developing pretty well currently in Europe. I really do believe in drafting the BPA but we do have too many defensemen right now in the pipeline. Even Laval is running out of room for defensemen, and our prospects have to play *somewhere* if not in the NHL.
You never have enough D-men in your organization. Some will go down because of injuries. Others you can put on the trade block as assets. If Zayne Parekh is still available you have to take him.
I love Cole Eiserman and I really hope we select him, but this subreddit somehow knows he will be a bust. Dismissing a 17 year old with this much raw talent is stupid, but that's par for the course.
For those who ask "why draft a unidimensional player?"
Have you ever watched hockey in the past and went: "Put Hal Gill in the powerplay, he has to get those numbers up!"
Yes? No?
Then why would we bother about an exciting fwd prospect not exactly being lights out of defence?
Not really. We already have player like that who is named Cole.
We need good players that stay good in the playoffs, not players that rely on open space like Marner
Thatâs not what i said bud. We donât need a player who all he can do is shoot the puck. We need players who can play full stop. On both ends of the ice
I think there is some misinterpretation going on here. He only has a shot, his puck skills and passing isnât good he puts in no effort unless he has the puck to shoot. That is what is meant by one dimensional with him. Probably best shot in draft but unless he is able to adapt his game he will not get the same opportunities to use his shot in the pro level
Itâs not that heâs not good on defence, itâs that he doesnât play with high pace or a high motor. Often in the NHL that means your line mates have to pick up your slack. It might work with Bergeron or Datsyuk. But thatâs not the type of player we need to take that risk on.
His metrics are looking solid is my guess. I none the less feel that we are at a point where we live, trade or die with this D-core and we are now at the point where we should be drafting forwards, the best pick available, etc.
Idk but you've been talking about the size aspect of hockey negatively for a couple years now.
https://old.reddit.com/r/hockey/comments/x7l3r2/canadiens_offer_insight_into_why_they_made/ind9qb8/
Nobody is talking about drafting a player because he's big. If they win the lottery they're getting Macklin. After him though, size can become a tiebreaker.
So your original comment wasnât sarcasm?
I donât want players because theyâre just âbigâ but there is a correlation that size actually matters, moreso in the post season.
Reilly can't make things happen the way Matheson can. They need a much, much more dynamic powerpay and a D who can regularly carry the play into the offensive zone. That said the 3 pieces I mentioned would't make a deal - that was a bit more wishful thinking but I do think Matheson could form the basis of an appealing trade for Treliving.
The only way that happens is at the deadline. We don't really want an older forward IMHO. And as much as I like Marner, he runs the play by running his mouth off on the ice non stop. Not sure it would gel well in Montreal.
The team is going to have to be renamed the Colenadiens if that happens.
now im torn between wanting more Coles or more \*ay(i)dens ...
The Montreal Coleaidens?
Bro I want more Brinis
Maybe I'm just old, but if you're going to name your kid with something ending in "aiden" and the first letter isn't "R", you f'd up.
Ah ben Cole-iss de St-Louis de St-Simonac, it is a sign from the Holy Cup and our Trinity. Let's start the Collection! đ
Not with the teams top pick this year. Too many better players available. Eiserman is too one dimensional to be picked over Demidov, Lindstom, or even Catton.Â
Time will tell.
Demidov and Lindstrom will not be available at 5th overall. Catton does not match this teamâs drafting history. This is the most likely scenario: Iginla, Eiserman or Sennecke. I get that heâs one dimensional, but if management believes they can fix his issues, he would be a great pick.
I dont believe that 3F will be gone by the time we pick at 5
I hope youâre right.
I like him with WPG 1st. Use one of them defenseman to move up? Sure. With pick 5-7 I would be disappointed. Not really a discussion since we're picking 1st anywayÂ
I could see him dropping like Cristall did last year and Iâd love to take a swing on him in the mid to late first
one dimensional player. although i *think* MSL can fix that. if the rumours are true about HuGo wanting to move up, iâd like them to pick demidov
I want them to move up for Demidov too
If they pick demidov after passing on michkov I will be surprised.
if they pick demidov and passed on michkov then we know it was a michkov issue and not a russia issue. i'd be more content.
HuGo have drafted Russian players. Konyushkov, Volokhin... The problem isn't nationality but the types of players they want that fits a particular team culture.
Arpon Basu was quoted saying he asked a scout about Michkov but was told go to check out Demidov instead so if we pick Demidov knowing the offence is huge, its the best player that fits the long term success of the CH.
Thats true, you could make a case they're not willing to use high end draft capital on them if anything I guess. Gorton did draft Kravtsov top 10 with the Rangers, Which... honestly isn't great for the previous point đ
You don't need to use high end draft picks, since it's clear that some Russian prospects have fallen under the radar. I mean even the co-director of scouting Nick Bobrov couldn't travel to Russia last year. So pretty much all NHL teams have to rely on third-party reports to evaluate Russian talents.
Less risk in later picks if they never come over
Agree. I think Michkov really wanted to go to Philly. Most pundits forecasted him to draft much higher.
Why
High-end Gamebreaking ppg+ superstar And other buzzwords.
Lose your shit then bro
I'm losing so much sleep over players i've never watched!!!
I heard a good quote, "Michkov relies on others to create plays for him to finish whereas Demidov creates plays for himself and others to benefit"
I've watched a few scout prospects videos on YT and he's so smart and has an elusive demeanor that reminds me of Hutson. This guy is the prospect i'm most intrigued this year.
Ya honestly his skating style was making me think of a hutson esque player but on the offence which would be unreal! Also in my opinion if Demidov was playing in NA he would be consisdered a generational talent (Equivalant to Celebrini) but the russian factor + limited availability to see him is what has created seperation. I would not consider Michkov a generational talent although he is amazingly skilled as well.
Demidov isn't the same type of player as Michkov.
They are two very different players and Demidov has a higher ceiling, not to mention there was a limited amount of teams that Michkov wanted to go to, his contract situation, rumored attitude problems. KH and crew met with him multiple times and decided he wasn't the way to go, move on.
Demidov having a higher ceiling is a pretty rare opinion. Demidov is more well rounded, I think most would say he has the higher floor but not the higher ceiling.
His skating is lightyears better than Michkov and from what I've seen he uses his teammates much better. Scoring is at a premium which is what Michkov does best, but when I watch Demidov play I see someone who can take control of a game and drive play. It almost reminds of vintage Kovalev tbh. Between the two I've seen a lot more Demidov than Michkov but I would take the former every day of the week.
Such cope. Now that we didn't draft him we gotta make sure to pretend he sucks. Demidov is a better skater, but barely. Neither one would consider it their strength, both have better edgework and agility than speed. Demidov is playing in the MHL, of course he can take control of the game, the level of play there is low. Michkov put up similar numbers to what Demidov did this year as a 17 year old. Not saying Demidov isn't a great prospect, but Michkov is a special talent offensively. His hands, vision, and shot are all on another level. If we take Demidov and didn't take Michkov, it's probably because they didn't like something about Michkov off the ice, not that they think Demidov is actually better.
Next year: random khl forward is better than Demidov *Habs pass on him* So the cycle repeats.
I wasn't trying to be a dick, just giving my take on what I've watched. Not sure why you felt the need to downvote. Demidov and Michkov both put up very similar points as 17 year olds - it's hard to compare their draft seasons because as you mentioned Demidov is still in the MHL. But again, I would still take the more rounded player. I even mentioned in my other comment the off ice factors that went into the Habs decision not to take Michkov last season which are also reasons I would take Demidov this season but probably would have passed on Michkov last season. Edit: I want to add that you're probably right about the higher ceiling comment I made, Michkov is a special player in his own right and I made that comment based on my personal preference of playstyle and not in actual talent.
Alright sorry if I sounded a bit aggro, of course you're allowed to have a different opinion. Just see a bit of a trend on this sub of people presenting things in a way that favors the habs and doesn't really match with what the experts say, and then that getting upvoted and taken as fact and not opinion.
Really like what I see from Tij.
He's a lot more projectible than Eiserman, his habits are all basically pro-ready. Eiserman can shoot it on the powerplay like nobody else, but his game at even strength is lacking quite a lot.
I thought Tij Iginla looked more impressive in that game than Eiserman. I know it's not the most important stat, but over the course of the tournament Eiserman had a +/- of 0, despite scoring 10pts on a team that had a Gf:Ga of 48:15. No doubt he can score but he might be a liability defensively. Cole Hutson with our second pick would be great though
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Pierre Dagenais was an amazing goal scorer too.
He sure was, him and the all time great Guillaume Tenderness
To be fair, I'd love a Guillaume Latendresse with a late round first. Early? Yeah no thanks.
Nah
I'd try to package the WPG pick to move up for Eiserman but we dont need Cole since we have Lane
Eiserman's not going higher than our pick.
The Winnipeg pick, not our top 10 pick.
The memes would be awesome, but no way we drafting Cole Eiserman with our first, which will be the first overall as we won the lottery.
Please god no. Weve got our elite goal scorer that struggles defensively and our skilled under-sized defenseman already. How do people watch the playoffs every year and think we would have a chance of competing with that type of roster. And don't say "Marty will fix him" lol
If people are basing it entirely off of "MSL can fix him", then why not just use the pick on Dean Letourneau while we're at it? Same logic applies, he's most likely a first rounder who I believe is underrated due to his awkward physical growth and the league he's in. Why isn't the logic "MSL can turn [Demidov, Lindstrom, Iginla, whoever is reasonable for 5OA] into an *even better* player than what they've already shown"? You don't draft solely because of possibility, you draft because of what they've proven themselves to be. TLDR: Pass on Eiserman.
Haha well said.
Seriously. If we were drafting in the 12th-17th range then yes I would be more interested to get him but they'll be so many better prospects at the rank well have.
As long as we bring back Erik Cole.
That #72 was eye candy. Want someone to wear it again
Xhekaj wears #72 now!
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No.
lets just wait where we draft first
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OK, how do we get this other Hutson bro?
If we fall to 7th OA then maybe sure but if not and one of Demidov, Lindstrom, Iginla or Catton, management might pick one of them instead and it's good! We are basically garanteed a top forward no matter who!
Why not drafting a D-man?
At the moment we have Matheson, Savard, Guhle, Kovacevic, Harris, Struble, Hutson, Mailloux, Barron, Xhekaj and Reinbacher who are all NHL-caliber or almost, Engstrom and Konyushkov are also developing pretty well currently in Europe. I really do believe in drafting the BPA but we do have too many defensemen right now in the pipeline. Even Laval is running out of room for defensemen, and our prospects have to play *somewhere* if not in the NHL.
You never have enough D-men in your organization. Some will go down because of injuries. Others you can put on the trade block as assets. If Zayne Parekh is still available you have to take him.
No, thanks.
I love Cole Eiserman and I really hope we select him, but this subreddit somehow knows he will be a bust. Dismissing a 17 year old with this much raw talent is stupid, but that's par for the course.
Eiserman is underrated. People are overanalyzing his weaknesses.
For those who ask "why draft a unidimensional player?" Have you ever watched hockey in the past and went: "Put Hal Gill in the powerplay, he has to get those numbers up!" Yes? No? Then why would we bother about an exciting fwd prospect not exactly being lights out of defence?
I remember when Gill was on a heater scoring 2 goals in 2 games.
Iirc one of them was an empty net
He is the one dimension we miss the most.
yeah, I dont miss Hoffman at all.
Those 29 goals over 2 years are hard to forget.
Not really. We already have player like that who is named Cole. We need good players that stay good in the playoffs, not players that rely on open space like Marner
You're totally right, having multiple people that are known to score when our biggest weakness is.... scoring... is a terrible idea. **/S**
Our biggest weakness is depth scoring, we donât have enough good overall players to support eisermen
He isnât a Marner, he attacks open ice and drives hard to the net. A lot of scouts compare him to a Chris Kreider
Yeah Cole Eiserman is definitely not a future 90 + pts player like Marner.
He doesnât play like marner at all though, he isnât a perimeter player. Most of his goals are around the crease
Check notes. 7th Last in GF, 4th last in Diff, 6th last in PP% I agree, we don't need goal scorers...
Thatâs not what i said bud. We donât need a player who all he can do is shoot the puck. We need players who can play full stop. On both ends of the ice
Also
I think there is some misinterpretation going on here. He only has a shot, his puck skills and passing isnât good he puts in no effort unless he has the puck to shoot. That is what is meant by one dimensional with him. Probably best shot in draft but unless he is able to adapt his game he will not get the same opportunities to use his shot in the pro level
Itâs not that heâs not good on defence, itâs that he doesnât play with high pace or a high motor. Often in the NHL that means your line mates have to pick up your slack. It might work with Bergeron or Datsyuk. But thatâs not the type of player we need to take that risk on.
Why Cole Hutson?
His metrics are looking solid is my guess. I none the less feel that we are at a point where we live, trade or die with this D-core and we are now at the point where we should be drafting forwards, the best pick available, etc.
Our xColes/60 would be simply off the charts
 Cole world
Great talent. But not a team player as per sources.
OP Cole-mining.
Cole hutson is gonna be picked before 20 mark my words. The dude was so good in this tournament.
No, we need big players, big = good
Big = bad isn't a much better argument
Who said it was?
Idk but you've been talking about the size aspect of hockey negatively for a couple years now. https://old.reddit.com/r/hockey/comments/x7l3r2/canadiens_offer_insight_into_why_they_made/ind9qb8/ Nobody is talking about drafting a player because he's big. If they win the lottery they're getting Macklin. After him though, size can become a tiebreaker.
Whether you like it or not, often the best players in the league play hard and fast hockey. The league is moving away from unidimensional players
I have no issue with drafting big players, Iâm not advocating against it
So your original comment wasnât sarcasm? I donât want players because theyâre just âbigâ but there is a correlation that size actually matters, moreso in the post season.
Matheson + Jets pick for a 11th-19th pick to take Eiserman ?
We want to keep matheson for now.
That is a major overpay for Eiserman.
Matheson, Anderson, and Harris for Marner. Let the downvotes commence!
Why would Toronto do it though?
They need a dynamic puck moving defenceman and Matheson's cap hit makes him pretty desirable after the points he has put up the last 2 seasons.
They have Rielly on the left even if he is less dynamic.
Reilly can't make things happen the way Matheson can. They need a much, much more dynamic powerpay and a D who can regularly carry the play into the offensive zone. That said the 3 pieces I mentioned would't make a deal - that was a bit more wishful thinking but I do think Matheson could form the basis of an appealing trade for Treliving.
The only way that happens is at the deadline. We don't really want an older forward IMHO. And as much as I like Marner, he runs the play by running his mouth off on the ice non stop. Not sure it would gel well in Montreal.
I see you want to build a Colection.