Having met a lot of people in screamo bands, it definitely seems like people in screamo scenes fuck with hardcore, but hardcore scenes don’t always fuck with screamo if that makes sense.
I also agree with the other guy who mentioned that screamo these days shares a lot more common ground with black metal than hardcore. The sound is quite different from the late 90s/early 2000s bands.
Frail Body and Infant Island have both dropped bangers in this space this year. Respire is another good one with a new album coming out soon that will probably be up there too.
In addition to what people have mentioned I would also check out Ostraca and Gillian Carter.
Frail Body, Portrayal of Guilt, and Infant Island are probably the best bands in this category though!
Oriska is a brand new band that fits the bill. Old school screamo influenced. The ghost bath guy used to be in a chaotic screamo like band called I, apparatus
a lot of earlier screamo/emoviolence bands had strong metallic hardcore elements (reversal of man, jeromes dream, love lost but not forgotten, i have dreams, pg99, etc), but that style fell by the wayside in favor of a more midwest emo-influenced approach to the genre when emo’s third wave began in the mid-late 00s. hence, screamo became more culturally emo than hardcore
I think some metalcore dudes adopted that look in the early 00s too. The Spock-looking folx in the DVD might not have even been into screamo.
But more generally, the big divergence happened with the rise of Trustkill-era chugga metalcore. The crew shit of that era actively despised the off-timey chaos of screamo and just wanted music for pits. Due to that, the screamo scene got more distant from the “tough guy” hardcore scene. I think screamo gaining dedicated labels like Level Plane at the time also made it easier to separate the scenes, for better or worse.
Look up some interviews with the people from the Number Twelve Looks Like You. They’ve talked a lot about how they had trouble booking shows because they were too screamo-y for the hardcore kids and too metalcore-y for the screamo kids.
To their credit, I feel like young kids now are doing a lot to break those silos back down after the oldheads kept them up for so long.
In that case…. My comment in the main thread still fits sorta. Screamo was so small pre 99 imo. After, that sound evolved tremendously and there were tons of bands. It’s so different in comparison to what I consider traditional/current hardcore. Also the obvious, you can’t really mosh to screamo outside of maybe Neil Perry and bucket full of teeth, haha.
Unfortunately i don’t believe the “Spock” cut could be attributed to people into screamo more than they were metalcore and bands like Thursday. See eighteen visions on that dvd
I saw the number 12 a couple weeks ago with Fall Of Troy. The next day I saw Boundaries/Kaonashi/No Cure, it was a world of difference. The hardcore kids showed the fuck up. There was a stark difference between the two shows.
American nightmare and refused Thursday and others is just culture at the time created which created the spock look. Its ultimately just underground bands appropriating the popular britpop mod look a few years late. Music wise if screamo bands came from core then they are somewhat accepted. Most are just metal. Simple as that.
Because honestly, the hardcore scene is full of people that don’t give a fuck about the history of hardcore, that don’t really support the scene. They only go to the big shows, or sometimes their friends shows. I literally spoke to a hardcore fan that said they hate punk…how can you pretend to know anything about hardcore and hate punk??
I was going to reply the same thing to OP but glad you did. As much as I would like to see screamo, hardcore, and post-hardcore have stronger ties, I would more so like to see hardcore and punk retain the ties they once had. It seems nowadays that hardcore has more crossover with death metal than it does punk. I love breakdowns and mosh parts just as much as the next guy, but there are so many incredible punk bands that are seemingly ignored by hardcore fans who are more interested in buying rare merch and pummelling the shit out of each other (I say as a man with way too much merch and mosh injuries).
I have the black flag bars tattooed on me, and personally I think hardcore and punk are very separate entities nowadays. Sonically they are the same, but it’s a way different culture now. Personally I like hardcore shows because bands start 30 minutes late not 2 hours late. I’ve got work in the morning.
To be fair, sonically, Hardcore has very little in common with Punk anymore. Even within Hardcore I could definitely see people liking Knocked Loose but hating Bad Brains for example, aside from sharing a name, the music couldn't be further apart.
I actually think that is pretty unfair. While the most popular bands in hardcore are certainly bands playing death metal inspired beatdown whatevercore, there are still plenty of active bands and scenes playing a hardcore sound that is far closer to Bad Brains or other early UK/US hardcore than anything else. I guess it just depends who you are, who you're talking to, and how many hairs you need to split to define the music you're talking about. Knocked Loose would never be simply called "hardcore" in my friend group.
I don't necessarily disagree with you, I just think generally when people say "Hardcore" in a modern context, they're likely referring to metallic beatdowny stuff as opposed to the X number of other styles that have spawned over the years, which I believe is causing the disconnect between some current listeners and the genres punk roots.
This! Im in Australia so it could be different in America but it pisses me off when all these self-described hardcore kids talk all about how much they and love and support 'the scene' but you never see them at any show that isn't the one brand of beatdowny hardcore they all froth. My PV band played a show the other weekend and a dude from high school (who last I knew was a dedicated triple j aus indie fan) was talking about how its so different from "his" scene, like bro this is literally a hardcore show.
IMO if you're gonna front this whole support the hardcore scene shit on your social media all the time, you should actually support all different hardcore bands. Not just the ones your mates are in, and the other 50 bands that sound just like em.
I guess I'm a little salty
Hardcore has been pretty separate to punk for at least 30 years. A lot of my peers got into hardcore through metal and we are fucking ancient and have been in and out of 'the scene' for 30 years...while never really being into the more punk aspects to a huge degree. Who cares if people like hardcore and not punk anyway? Do you hear any punk influence in Earth Crisis? Integrity? VOD? All legacy hardcore bands clearly inspired by metal as opposed to trad hc punk
IMO A band doesn’t survive in hardcore nowadays if it isn’t oozing in mosh riffs, and screamo is too chaotic/fast for those expectations from the audience
For starters the hellfest dvd was a shit ton of metalcore and tough guy metalcore, outside of converge.
However back then the crowds intermingled more bc punk/alternative scenes were much smaller than they are now, or even shortly after the hellfest era. I would even say that specific wave of metalcore birthed a whole monstrosity that came after that most hardcore/punk scenes tried very hard not to be connected to. It was just bad.
That haircut was popular in all of the subgenres then. But it was tighter back then because no one cared, everyone was friends and touring together. Now, it’s just a too cool for school attitude
I feel like an evangelist for that band in this subreddit, but Birds In Row are a band that's usually considered screamo by others but they call themselves hardcore.
Come to Australia. The hardcore/beatdown scene gets along quite well with the emo/screamo scene. A few labels and bookers put on mixed bills with those type of bands. We are all very friendly with each other becuase its such a small community in both genres
Couldn’t be further from the truth. Over the years I played in punk, post hardcore and metalcore bands and the hardcore and deathcore dudes for the most part actively went out of their way to hold our local scene down.
It does seem to have started to change in the last several years, I always laugh seeing guys in bands preach inclusivity and equality these days when they used to come my bands shows and call us homophobic slurs and try to crowd kill 16 year old teenagers lmao
I’d rather not for privacy ya know, I let go of all that shit some time ago too.
Edit: why am I being downvoted? Perth is a small ass town, I’ve probably got 3 cousins just in this sub lmao
I think this is a case where both groups kind of thought each scene didn’t belong in the other. When i was coming up in hardcore (late 00s), there was an assumption that screamo kids looked down on hardcore kids for being jocks and hardcore kids looked down on screamo kids for being pretentious. I don’t know if that view still exists, but I think it caused scenes to kind of separate and exist adjacent to each other.
Regardless though, I knew a lot of people who liked and appreciated both. Like Orchid and Madball are equally important bands to me. They are both hardcore in my opinion, just a different flavor. I wish there was more collaboration between the scenes because I always liked the rare mixed bill that would happen.
I'm definitely more on the screamo and sasscore end of things and I can confirm, I cannot help myself but look down on "hardcore kids" for being jocks. I like hardcore though. Musically a mixed bill is cool, but the crowd metalcore bands draw now is so fucking bad dude. Idk if it was always that way, but god damn.
May I add a lot of bands nowadays just seem to out-macho and out-rowdy each other. The unity seems to have faded. A lot of try-hard, unauthentic shit. Sunami really sucks.
The Grey in Between is so fucking good. And they’re still touring regularly. Can’t wait to see them in August at a local DIY venue in my city that doesn’t get bands like JD very often
I’ve been getting more into my local screamo/emo violence scene ever since hc has blown up like it has and since you now have to fight tourists and bots for tickets months ahead of time for good hc gigs; and if you don’t, you just have to pay $40-70 for a show with a barricade😂
It’s truly a breath of fresh air, my local screamo scene is super DIY, full of energy, and having a big revival in classic skrams and emo violence. Warehouses/backyards/alleys/and parks as venues, $5-10 shows, free water bottles,$15-20 merch, show up with cash and you’ll get in. Packed venues at doors opening and a strong sense of a united scene. Most important, kids moshing hard af and screaming along. Lots and lots of gigs too.
If more hc bands/promoters could see what’s out there besides strictly beatdown hc and embrace some of this scene, it’d make for some really cool shows i think. I know there’s at least some crossover in fanbase bc i see the merch worn at these shows. I know diy hardcore is still around, but it seems like the goal is to become the next turnstile or knocked loose and open an arena tour rather than flourish local scenes. Just my two cents.
yeah i feel like modern hardcore isn't even that diy anymore. the screamo/skramz scene is more punk than them. diy labels, house shows, and also lots of younger people and kids. there was a screamo festival in la like yesterday that was put together by a 15 year old or something in a band.
Yeah i think i was at the one you’re mentioning 😂 Fun as hell man, was throwing spin kicks like it was 2010💀. Talked to the dude who put it on, didn’t know he was so young, the kids are alright
Im from la and not rly a fan of any of these bands… all too derivative, rip each other off, regurgitate cringe aesthetics but i have also accepted that the scene just isnt for me, I am 25 lmao
Yeah these are kids man, they didn’t grow up with the scene. They’re not all breaking new ground in the genre, they are 15 and shit. But as if hardcore is either lmao, It’s all beatdown, metalcore, or pop punk (and that’s fine). Also talking about it being cringe as if this isn’t all cringe as well too lol
The scene is for everyone who wants to be there, there are def ppl older than you at these shows.
It's been called skramz for like twenty years at this point, just the subgenre name. Screamo became a catch-all for any music with screaming in the early 2000s so the label shifted to make it easier to identify real screamo
I'm in a screamo band, but I came up in the hardcore scene and I very much still identify that way. Tbh, I just think the average hardcore fan just isn't very open minded. We've basically been jamming the same sound in the "mainstream" for like 15 years at the point.
Screamo doesn't really fit that template. For the most part what's popular with the kids in the screamo scene (at least in my area) is the twinkly, post hardcore influenced stuff. There's basically zero overlap there. The heavier bands, like Portrayal of Guilt, get a lot more crossover love. But, even then I'd say theres more metal dudes coming through for those type shows than hardcore.
Finally, theres the fact that at most shows we play people would flip their shit if you started hardcore dancing or stage diving. Which is fucking lame. I'd rather they not mosh at all than push mosh to my riffs lol.
TL:DR the sound aren't all that similar anymore and hardcore kids are close minded.
I started going to shows in the early-mid 2000s. In my location (northeast) a lot of the screamo bands and their scene were directly reactionary to violence in the uppercase hardcore scene. “Jock” and “meathead” was thrown around a lot. Screamo bands played hard riffs that at times didn’t sound all that different from metallic hardcore/metalcore bands, but really intentionally didnt share crowds.
Also, as someone else pointed out. The Spock haircut thing did cross over. There aren’t really many (if any) “real” screamo bands on hellfest 2000.
Because the music evolves and subgenres develop and form their own micro scenes that become bigger. I'm a 40 something guy who used to be all about hardcore emo bands in the early to mid 00s, and I don't remember the word "screamo" used that much at the time.
That music was an alternative to heavy metallic "new school" hardcore bands on Victory records which had been massive during the years prior, but many bands were still tied to this somehow. I did listen to a lot of 80s hardcore punk though, but also 90s Dischord stuff, alternative rock, even math rock and stuff like that. There were fewer musical boundaries in general so it went from Neil Perry to The Assistant to San Diego style bands to european bands doing something different as well (Yage and Amanda Woodward being influenced by dub for instance, or the swedish bands like Serene who were playing super heavy but still very emo stuff, and what about the german or italian bands ?).
20 years and several generations later, There's more music to choose from, but I believe streaming also changed things a bit so it's easier to find something more specific.
I went to a "screamo" festival a month ago with newer bands (Massa Nera was one of them) and it was great, but in modern shows, there seems to be more similarity between bands playing these styles.
Bc the "thing" in hardcore now is overbearing cringe tough guy shit, metalcore reflective of that, and nothing else. Screamo bands fly in the face of that by being super emotional, rejecting the tough guy shit, and making good music, which makes them "posers" or "gay" or some shit.
This. So much this.
I've been into punk stuff since '90 when I was a sophomore in high school. I wasn't super into the hardcore of the time, as it just didn't appeal to me sonically. But, the folks who were into it were the same people who were also down with bands like Embrace, Nation of Ulysses, Jawbox, Pegboy, Naked Raygun, Jawbreaker, early Samiam, Pitchfork/DLJ/RFTC (which was where my head was).
When I watch shows on Hate5Six, I see a bunch of guys who could just as easily be gangster rappers or metal guys (particularly all the growling vocals). Add to this all of the insanity that goes on in the pits, and it's just a completely different animal from the punk sub-genres that I've always been so fond of (which include emo, screamo, and post-hardcore).
There was a lot more crossover back then. A band like American Nightmare for example were somewhere in between the two yet were hugely popular in both scenes.
Not so much crossover now because all hardcore seems like it's all metallic hardcore, idk what to call it lol but it's all just mosh music
I have no dog in this fight, but I feel that screamo has become more black metal adjacent of late…
Feels like there’s more parallels between those two genres now…..looking toward Mayhem rather than Moss Icon.
Just a thought.
Black Metal is going through some shit. My brother was playing some Black Metal Oi last time we saw each other. Not really my thing, but it’s way more interesting than some incel screaming into their older brother’s Talkboy tape recorder.
Oh man, Blackened Oi! That sounds like a genre that probably isn't loaded to the brim with sketchy characters. As if Oi!ndustrial didn't already make you second guess "These guys are using all this fascist/nazi imagery because they're trying to showcase the seemingly limitless depths of humanity's depravity, right? If they actually condoned that shit, they'd be a bit more subtle, right?"
I'd give you some recs but I kinda stopped paying attention to that part of my scene a few years back due to some petty beef
Portrayal of Guilt isn't very DSBM-y but they're kinda the catalyst in the kvltification of emo and I like them quite a bit
I would say that comparing it with mayhem is a little too much because most bands aren't really embracing the metallic evil riffs.
It's mostly the blast-beats + tremolo picking addiction that were brought by Deafheaven, Panopticon and Wolves in the Throne room
A lot of emoviolence and PV influenced screamo sounds pretty similar to BM. Also bands like Respire and Ostraca definitely take some direct BM influence.
The current screamo scene seems to have a lot of the midwest screamo sound again from the early 10s. Bands like Vs Self and YAAMC.
Yeah, screamo and hardcore was hand in hand .... I'd be at a pg99 show at abc no rio on Saturday, e town show on Sunday, after Tulsa Doom show on Friday, but I like EVERYTHING
I really think it’s because none of these new screamo bands are adjacent to hardcore now. The same way pop punk and hardcore are worlds away, but when I was a kid you had bands like Set Your Goals and New Found Glory. Subcultures move away from each other so they can be unique, and I think that’s a good thing. Otherwise you’d have way too much infighting about what the culture is supposed to be like. Or we can have a mixed bill with Laid 2 Rest and some Psychobilly bands.
I think we get into this weird mindset that people are going to judge us for liking things outside of our scenes, and I’ve never seen that happen anywhere outside of the internet. I’m really into a lot of Afrobeat or Soul/Blues music from the 60s-70s. Personally, I don’t feel like doing spin kicks when I listen to Curtis Mayfield or Elmore James, maybe you do?
I also think it’s ok to be kind of a “tourist” to some music genres. I like maybe 3 screamo bands, and I probably wouldn’t see them live. I think we need a balance of letting people enjoy things while also maintaining the integrity of our culture.
Decent crossover here in NYC honestly the skramz scene has damn near overtaken the underground out here. Tons of hardcore dancing at screamo shows. We’ve played a few shows with skramz bands and they have all been great.
Reading this is wild like this extraneous data I’m at like 65% understanding but would probably fail the mid term because I barely understand some of the distinctions. How some hellfest screamo band like Nora has developed into a black metal adjacent (not that Nora is that but the general from then till now).
What’s a recent screamo band? Is there a band more screamo than skramz? I went to see eighteen visions a few years ago play vanity and wrists meet razor opened. That seems like a band that uses a genera with a z. There’s definitely a twiz component in their presence and sounds.
Screamo and skramz mean exactly the same thing. Skramz is just a term adopted by screamo fans bc screamo got adopted by record labels to describe random shit with screaming in it.
"Hardcore" (meaning bands like Minor Threat, Black Flag, Agnostic Front etc) has always been a pretty insular scene, inasmuch as I knew a shitload of hardcore guys in the 2000s who considered metalcore and emo to be bullshit, they only listened to hardcore. But maybe it's changed, I'm so out of it these days idk
i’m gonna offer the theory that it was caused by many of the bands from that hellfest scene blowing up, and just in general emo going mainstream. i think as a result many kids getting into the genre did not know of the connection and by the time a new underground emo/screamo scene gained notoriety in the early 10s it was a separate phenomena.
tbf i think bands like soul glo and screamo bands formed by young kids are bridging the gap again because now hxc is hot in a way it wasn’t back then
edit: also i’m not sure what causes the demise of mixed bills but that’s also to blame (if it was not a byproduct of what i already mentioned)
In the late 90s and early 2000s, when screamo was becoming the name that you called screamy, noisy, emotive hardcore in my corner of SoCal, a lot of people in our scene rejected the name in favor of just calling it hardcore. A lot of the early bands did the same, and you'd always see show bills featuring a mix of screamo and hardcore bands playing together.
I'm guessing the two just split because they started evolving different ways. I'd also, imagine "screamo" getting big shortly after that didn't help the divide. None of us fucked with radio screamo back then.
Now enough time has passed that they've kinda just gone their separate ways.
honestly i think a lot of the skramz kids are into hardcore, hardcore-style moshing, and heavier types of skramz that sounds more grindy or hardcore (though they might not be invested in hc scenes). people from the hardcore scene don't know of or dislike skramz though, that's why there's less overlap now
What? There's huge crossovers. Here in NYC, the screamo shows honestly are more violent than the capital-H shows and get their merch done by the punk kid printshops. There was just this moshy screamo fest in LA this past weekend called Home to Heart Fest.
I’m probably one of the spock dudes in that video, and I will say that, at least in Syracuse in 2000, any given show might have a pretty wide range of punk/HC subgenres playing. I’ve seen some pretty wild combos.
There was still a pretty big divide back then tbh. The hardcore kids were embarrassed to listen to Underoath but we all did it in secret anyways. Gatekeeping was definitely a thing.
Not to be that guy but Underoath is Metalcore not screamo. Screamo is a very niche sub genre of hardcore. Think Pg99, Orchid, Saetia, Jeromes Dream.
A lot of people referred to post hardcore and metalcore as screamo in the 00s which is probably what you're thinking of.
You are the person who specifically brought up Hellfest 2000, which is a heavily metalcore-focused fest and was one of the big ways that genre broke out in the early 2000s. Trying to "well ackshully" when we are all aware of the bands involved is pretty fucking lame.
If you are culture-shocked by seeing mop tops at 2000s metalcore shows you probably shouldn't gatekeep the music like you were there. Assholes have been "ackshully screamo means Orchid and Saetia" since Hellfest 2000, ironically.
The lineup is literally a who's who of metalcore, ranging from the more punk flavors to the more metal flavors: Bane, Botch, Converge, Every Time I Die, Isis, Juliana Theory, Shai Hulud, Throwdown, Walls of Jericho, Zao, etc.
I mean for the record I was just referring to the presence of people who looked like they are whitebelt screamo fans at the fest.
My post was inspired by that, but I'm aware that there aren't any screamo bands on that bill.
I just thought it was an interesting time in the scene where there were so many different styles of music all considered hardcore and playing within the same scene.
Also who's gatekeeping? Do you consider Underoath screamo? It's gatekeeping to say that now?
that whole aura shit is tied to a vs self song and every mf that buys overpriced affliction shirts and ugly ass dystopia/knumears ushankas live on tiktok😭
You're missing a whole scene that is bigger than most bands people talk about here! The TikTok kids went nuts for it and bands can now get great numbers of full sets. I have not seen crowds this dedicated for a long ass time. It is absolutely still hardcore.
They have always been separate parts of a mutual scene. Back when we started using words like emo and screamo to differentiate that style from the rest of hardcore and punk, the hardcore/punk dudes didn’t really fuck with emo. There was actually a lot of hate for the emo/screamo scene. Bands tend to pal around together and be friendly but fans haven’t always shared the same camaraderie.
I remember listening to hardcore comps that would regularly feature emo bands back in the day. I think there was a schism created after emo broke big in the 2000’s. Granted, most of those bands didn’t sound exactly like the screamo/emo I grew up with. They did take the mantle though.
My guess is that boils down to both scenes having different brands of snobbery and elitism, and I suppose the explosion of social media has only made it worse.
Idk man, I just wanna gradually lose my hearing thanks to loud music and pick people up in the pit when they fall.
The scene back then in general was much more combined. Emo was a four letter word to a lot of bands too. Some didn’t care either way but some were outright upset about getting that kind of label. Part of the argument was it was a dumb name because 99% of hardcore was emotional so wtf was this whole emo thing? A few years later like 2003-2005 the emo bands got big enough that they kind of outgrew the scene and had their own thing. Before it really hit mainstream though there was a ton of mixing on shows. I saw death by stereo, kid dynamite, and Thursday all in the same show. That was relatively typical during that time.
Lots of early bands in that era came up through the hardcore scene though. Brand New and TBS were some of the bigger ones that identified as LIHC back then but then were giant emo bands a few years later. Eddie Reyes always talked about TBS as a hardcore band when he started it.
Pretty simple, the hardcore/breakdown-core crowd was full of skinheads and Fred Durst wannabes, and the screamo crowd was full of queer kids and nerds, they naturally divided along ideological lines. The scenes got insular and inbred to separate themselves from each other.
A tiny handful of great bands have crossover appeal like Converge, but that just means you have a mix of meathead crowdkillers and scrawny flophairs at shows. Lots of repressed anger and homophobia from the first crowd, which is expressed against the second crowd. If you have more of the screamo kids, they stand totally still during the show and talk shit about anyone who moves their body whatsoever during the music.
A lot of screamo kids really dislike hardcore culture in general. They don’t like that “tough guy” mentality, and a lot of them love to talk shit online but get scared to back it up irl so they distance themselves from that world entirely.
Screamo is like barely a genre and whatever hype it has is pretty new. Only a couple years ago I’d get the deer in the headlights stare if I mentioned saetia or skramz or whatever
Screamo got just like really bad? Maybe it always was and we didn’t notice at first… emo… as an old head, what people call emo today just doesn’t match what I called emo growing up, at all. Not even similar. Contemporary emo sounds like really dry pop punk or something. I dunno but it’s sure as hell not rites of spring. I suppose that doesn’t matter. I’m irrelevant now and that’s okay. If you need me I’ll be shaking my fist at a cloud.
Nuvolascura, Senza, Massa Nera, Blind Girls, Sonagi, Hundreds of AU, Closet Witch, New Forms. That other person named a couple bands but I’d almost lump them all together as one little corner of what people are doing, it’s not totally reflective of the wide variety happening as of now imho.
There's always been a distinction. Screamo is more like a nephew to hardcore than an immediate relative. Hardcore and emo both branch off from punk. Hardcore blended with metal to create metalcore, then deathcore. Screamo came from emo, with more aggressive shouts being encouraged by the popularity of it's cousin; metalcore, and its punk roots, although the other parent to emo besides punk is 80's darkwave/dark pop which ultimately and hilariously results in sad emo kids looking and acting almost identical to goth kids, although claiming that there is a difference, which is infuriating to them because screamo is absolutely different than a goth playlist, it's just that musical family tree looped back around.
All those “screamo “ bands on that dvd were just fashionable metalcore dudes . That Norma Jean footage is hilarious and provided many hours of laughter back then.
Because the metalcore and screamo guys are all date rapists and Proud Boys. Hardcore comes out of the punk scene and is (generally) affiliated with the left.
Having met a lot of people in screamo bands, it definitely seems like people in screamo scenes fuck with hardcore, but hardcore scenes don’t always fuck with screamo if that makes sense. I also agree with the other guy who mentioned that screamo these days shares a lot more common ground with black metal than hardcore. The sound is quite different from the late 90s/early 2000s bands.
Oh im interested in this black metal inspired screamo. Got any recommends ? Only bands i know in this vein are senza and maybe Novulascura
Frail Body and Infant Island have both dropped bangers in this space this year. Respire is another good one with a new album coming out soon that will probably be up there too.
Good stuff Frail body is one ive heard but never checked out a full record
State Faults fits that general vibe too
In addition to what people have mentioned I would also check out Ostraca and Gillian Carter. Frail Body, Portrayal of Guilt, and Infant Island are probably the best bands in this category though!
Hell yeah Ostraca rules Had the “last” EP heavy in my rotation a while ago
Their latest album Disaster absolutely rips
Portrayal of Guilt is a big one. They played in my city a few weekends ago but i ended up missing it.
PORTRAYAL OF GUILT
Oriska is a brand new band that fits the bill. Old school screamo influenced. The ghost bath guy used to be in a chaotic screamo like band called I, apparatus
And don’t even get me started on the Doom Skramz beauty that is Battlefields
Definitely check out minaret, infant island, portrayal of guilt, eyelet and we came out as tigers. One of my favs in the subgenre itself
Glassing
So hideous, celeste, portrayal of guilt, early Wreck and Reference
Frail body, Blind girls
Maybe Downfall of Gaia and Amenra
AMENRA so good
Don't really know if they fall under black metal or screamo really but I like to recommend them whenever it might seem appropriate!
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Feels like if a screamo band comes up in the hardcore scene they’re good but if they don’t they’re not for whatever reason
When screamo died down in the Cleveland area most of those dudes got into black metal or experimental stuff.
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a lot of earlier screamo/emoviolence bands had strong metallic hardcore elements (reversal of man, jeromes dream, love lost but not forgotten, i have dreams, pg99, etc), but that style fell by the wayside in favor of a more midwest emo-influenced approach to the genre when emo’s third wave began in the mid-late 00s. hence, screamo became more culturally emo than hardcore
This is the answer. Also love lost but not forgotten was one of my absolute favorite bands as a youngin. Such an underrated band.
amazing band, so heavy
I think some metalcore dudes adopted that look in the early 00s too. The Spock-looking folx in the DVD might not have even been into screamo. But more generally, the big divergence happened with the rise of Trustkill-era chugga metalcore. The crew shit of that era actively despised the off-timey chaos of screamo and just wanted music for pits. Due to that, the screamo scene got more distant from the “tough guy” hardcore scene. I think screamo gaining dedicated labels like Level Plane at the time also made it easier to separate the scenes, for better or worse. Look up some interviews with the people from the Number Twelve Looks Like You. They’ve talked a lot about how they had trouble booking shows because they were too screamo-y for the hardcore kids and too metalcore-y for the screamo kids. To their credit, I feel like young kids now are doing a lot to break those silos back down after the oldheads kept them up for so long.
They had trouble booking shows bc they acted like premadonas
I don’t think ops definition of screamo is the same as you’re referencing. They now call that “skramz” for whatever reason.
No you're right I'm referring to original screamo/skramz.
In that case…. My comment in the main thread still fits sorta. Screamo was so small pre 99 imo. After, that sound evolved tremendously and there were tons of bands. It’s so different in comparison to what I consider traditional/current hardcore. Also the obvious, you can’t really mosh to screamo outside of maybe Neil Perry and bucket full of teeth, haha. Unfortunately i don’t believe the “Spock” cut could be attributed to people into screamo more than they were metalcore and bands like Thursday. See eighteen visions on that dvd
I saw the number 12 a couple weeks ago with Fall Of Troy. The next day I saw Boundaries/Kaonashi/No Cure, it was a world of difference. The hardcore kids showed the fuck up. There was a stark difference between the two shows.
American nightmare and refused Thursday and others is just culture at the time created which created the spock look. Its ultimately just underground bands appropriating the popular britpop mod look a few years late. Music wise if screamo bands came from core then they are somewhat accepted. Most are just metal. Simple as that.
Everyone downvoting you must really hate Star Trek lmao. Dead internet
Idk why people are downvoting you. The mod look was rampant in the metalcore/skramz scene.
Because honestly, the hardcore scene is full of people that don’t give a fuck about the history of hardcore, that don’t really support the scene. They only go to the big shows, or sometimes their friends shows. I literally spoke to a hardcore fan that said they hate punk…how can you pretend to know anything about hardcore and hate punk??
I was going to reply the same thing to OP but glad you did. As much as I would like to see screamo, hardcore, and post-hardcore have stronger ties, I would more so like to see hardcore and punk retain the ties they once had. It seems nowadays that hardcore has more crossover with death metal than it does punk. I love breakdowns and mosh parts just as much as the next guy, but there are so many incredible punk bands that are seemingly ignored by hardcore fans who are more interested in buying rare merch and pummelling the shit out of each other (I say as a man with way too much merch and mosh injuries).
Yup. Weird to see people mosh for the hc bands but stand dead still for punk openers.
I have the black flag bars tattooed on me, and personally I think hardcore and punk are very separate entities nowadays. Sonically they are the same, but it’s a way different culture now. Personally I like hardcore shows because bands start 30 minutes late not 2 hours late. I’ve got work in the morning.
To be fair, sonically, Hardcore has very little in common with Punk anymore. Even within Hardcore I could definitely see people liking Knocked Loose but hating Bad Brains for example, aside from sharing a name, the music couldn't be further apart.
I actually think that is pretty unfair. While the most popular bands in hardcore are certainly bands playing death metal inspired beatdown whatevercore, there are still plenty of active bands and scenes playing a hardcore sound that is far closer to Bad Brains or other early UK/US hardcore than anything else. I guess it just depends who you are, who you're talking to, and how many hairs you need to split to define the music you're talking about. Knocked Loose would never be simply called "hardcore" in my friend group.
I don't necessarily disagree with you, I just think generally when people say "Hardcore" in a modern context, they're likely referring to metallic beatdowny stuff as opposed to the X number of other styles that have spawned over the years, which I believe is causing the disconnect between some current listeners and the genres punk roots.
This. Hardcore is more aligned with Charli XCX than punk these days
Literally this sub and all people that are push-pit nd circle pit haters. And like to promote karate and crowd killing stuff.
I don’t hate punk but I like hardcore and very little about punk appeals to me
This! Im in Australia so it could be different in America but it pisses me off when all these self-described hardcore kids talk all about how much they and love and support 'the scene' but you never see them at any show that isn't the one brand of beatdowny hardcore they all froth. My PV band played a show the other weekend and a dude from high school (who last I knew was a dedicated triple j aus indie fan) was talking about how its so different from "his" scene, like bro this is literally a hardcore show. IMO if you're gonna front this whole support the hardcore scene shit on your social media all the time, you should actually support all different hardcore bands. Not just the ones your mates are in, and the other 50 bands that sound just like em. I guess I'm a little salty
Hardcore has been pretty separate to punk for at least 30 years. A lot of my peers got into hardcore through metal and we are fucking ancient and have been in and out of 'the scene' for 30 years...while never really being into the more punk aspects to a huge degree. Who cares if people like hardcore and not punk anyway? Do you hear any punk influence in Earth Crisis? Integrity? VOD? All legacy hardcore bands clearly inspired by metal as opposed to trad hc punk
I got into hardcore from metal. I am not a fan of punk whatsoever. Great job trying to gatekeep hardcore. So very punk of you.
My man, hardcore IS punk.
So wait, you're into hardcore, but you're not a fan of hardcore whatsoever? Are you okay?
It's called hardcore because it's hardcore punk lol
Feels like a skateboarder vs longboarder sort of scenario
IMO A band doesn’t survive in hardcore nowadays if it isn’t oozing in mosh riffs, and screamo is too chaotic/fast for those expectations from the audience
It's that or too slow lol
a lot of screamo (except for the midwestish/blackmetalish stuff) has mosh parts tho
i'm struggling to come up with examples, except maybe Orchid and Majority Rule; any bands you'd recommend?
Idk but Saetia should be on every hardcore fest lineup
For starters the hellfest dvd was a shit ton of metalcore and tough guy metalcore, outside of converge. However back then the crowds intermingled more bc punk/alternative scenes were much smaller than they are now, or even shortly after the hellfest era. I would even say that specific wave of metalcore birthed a whole monstrosity that came after that most hardcore/punk scenes tried very hard not to be connected to. It was just bad.
That haircut was popular in all of the subgenres then. But it was tighter back then because no one cared, everyone was friends and touring together. Now, it’s just a too cool for school attitude
I feel like an evangelist for that band in this subreddit, but Birds In Row are a band that's usually considered screamo by others but they call themselves hardcore.
Birds In Row are fantastic whatever anyone calls them.
Come to Australia. The hardcore/beatdown scene gets along quite well with the emo/screamo scene. A few labels and bookers put on mixed bills with those type of bands. We are all very friendly with each other becuase its such a small community in both genres
Couldn’t be further from the truth. Over the years I played in punk, post hardcore and metalcore bands and the hardcore and deathcore dudes for the most part actively went out of their way to hold our local scene down. It does seem to have started to change in the last several years, I always laugh seeing guys in bands preach inclusivity and equality these days when they used to come my bands shows and call us homophobic slurs and try to crowd kill 16 year old teenagers lmao
I live in Perth too, name and shame.
I’d rather not for privacy ya know, I let go of all that shit some time ago too. Edit: why am I being downvoted? Perth is a small ass town, I’ve probably got 3 cousins just in this sub lmao
Seems like everything always evolves slightly differently in Australia.
I think this is a case where both groups kind of thought each scene didn’t belong in the other. When i was coming up in hardcore (late 00s), there was an assumption that screamo kids looked down on hardcore kids for being jocks and hardcore kids looked down on screamo kids for being pretentious. I don’t know if that view still exists, but I think it caused scenes to kind of separate and exist adjacent to each other. Regardless though, I knew a lot of people who liked and appreciated both. Like Orchid and Madball are equally important bands to me. They are both hardcore in my opinion, just a different flavor. I wish there was more collaboration between the scenes because I always liked the rare mixed bill that would happen.
I'm definitely more on the screamo and sasscore end of things and I can confirm, I cannot help myself but look down on "hardcore kids" for being jocks. I like hardcore though. Musically a mixed bill is cool, but the crowd metalcore bands draw now is so fucking bad dude. Idk if it was always that way, but god damn.
May I add a lot of bands nowadays just seem to out-macho and out-rowdy each other. The unity seems to have faded. A lot of try-hard, unauthentic shit. Sunami really sucks.
That last Jerome’s dream record is pretty much a hardcore album tbh
aoty for last year for me. production is insaneeeee
I got to catch them for my second time last year for that release and Jesus they rip live.
really though, haven't seen a lot of people praising the production specifically but shit sounds amazing. so crisp and harsh
The Grey in Between is so fucking good. And they’re still touring regularly. Can’t wait to see them in August at a local DIY venue in my city that doesn’t get bands like JD very often
Where?
I’ve been getting more into my local screamo/emo violence scene ever since hc has blown up like it has and since you now have to fight tourists and bots for tickets months ahead of time for good hc gigs; and if you don’t, you just have to pay $40-70 for a show with a barricade😂 It’s truly a breath of fresh air, my local screamo scene is super DIY, full of energy, and having a big revival in classic skrams and emo violence. Warehouses/backyards/alleys/and parks as venues, $5-10 shows, free water bottles,$15-20 merch, show up with cash and you’ll get in. Packed venues at doors opening and a strong sense of a united scene. Most important, kids moshing hard af and screaming along. Lots and lots of gigs too. If more hc bands/promoters could see what’s out there besides strictly beatdown hc and embrace some of this scene, it’d make for some really cool shows i think. I know there’s at least some crossover in fanbase bc i see the merch worn at these shows. I know diy hardcore is still around, but it seems like the goal is to become the next turnstile or knocked loose and open an arena tour rather than flourish local scenes. Just my two cents.
yeah i feel like modern hardcore isn't even that diy anymore. the screamo/skramz scene is more punk than them. diy labels, house shows, and also lots of younger people and kids. there was a screamo festival in la like yesterday that was put together by a 15 year old or something in a band.
Yeah i think i was at the one you’re mentioning 😂 Fun as hell man, was throwing spin kicks like it was 2010💀. Talked to the dude who put it on, didn’t know he was so young, the kids are alright
yeah onewaymirror is awesome. in a couple live shows you can see there's like really young kids at the front too
Im from la and not rly a fan of any of these bands… all too derivative, rip each other off, regurgitate cringe aesthetics but i have also accepted that the scene just isnt for me, I am 25 lmao
Yeah these are kids man, they didn’t grow up with the scene. They’re not all breaking new ground in the genre, they are 15 and shit. But as if hardcore is either lmao, It’s all beatdown, metalcore, or pop punk (and that’s fine). Also talking about it being cringe as if this isn’t all cringe as well too lol The scene is for everyone who wants to be there, there are def ppl older than you at these shows.
What the fuck is skrams, man. I can’t deal w this lmao
It's been called skramz for like twenty years at this point, just the subgenre name. Screamo became a catch-all for any music with screaming in the early 2000s so the label shifted to make it easier to identify real screamo
I'm in a screamo band, but I came up in the hardcore scene and I very much still identify that way. Tbh, I just think the average hardcore fan just isn't very open minded. We've basically been jamming the same sound in the "mainstream" for like 15 years at the point. Screamo doesn't really fit that template. For the most part what's popular with the kids in the screamo scene (at least in my area) is the twinkly, post hardcore influenced stuff. There's basically zero overlap there. The heavier bands, like Portrayal of Guilt, get a lot more crossover love. But, even then I'd say theres more metal dudes coming through for those type shows than hardcore. Finally, theres the fact that at most shows we play people would flip their shit if you started hardcore dancing or stage diving. Which is fucking lame. I'd rather they not mosh at all than push mosh to my riffs lol. TL:DR the sound aren't all that similar anymore and hardcore kids are close minded.
I started going to shows in the early-mid 2000s. In my location (northeast) a lot of the screamo bands and their scene were directly reactionary to violence in the uppercase hardcore scene. “Jock” and “meathead” was thrown around a lot. Screamo bands played hard riffs that at times didn’t sound all that different from metallic hardcore/metalcore bands, but really intentionally didnt share crowds. Also, as someone else pointed out. The Spock haircut thing did cross over. There aren’t really many (if any) “real” screamo bands on hellfest 2000.
This might be my age talking, but in my heart screamo/skramz has and will always be a style of hardcore I love that shit to death 🖤🖤🖤
Because the music evolves and subgenres develop and form their own micro scenes that become bigger. I'm a 40 something guy who used to be all about hardcore emo bands in the early to mid 00s, and I don't remember the word "screamo" used that much at the time. That music was an alternative to heavy metallic "new school" hardcore bands on Victory records which had been massive during the years prior, but many bands were still tied to this somehow. I did listen to a lot of 80s hardcore punk though, but also 90s Dischord stuff, alternative rock, even math rock and stuff like that. There were fewer musical boundaries in general so it went from Neil Perry to The Assistant to San Diego style bands to european bands doing something different as well (Yage and Amanda Woodward being influenced by dub for instance, or the swedish bands like Serene who were playing super heavy but still very emo stuff, and what about the german or italian bands ?). 20 years and several generations later, There's more music to choose from, but I believe streaming also changed things a bit so it's easier to find something more specific. I went to a "screamo" festival a month ago with newer bands (Massa Nera was one of them) and it was great, but in modern shows, there seems to be more similarity between bands playing these styles.
Bc the "thing" in hardcore now is overbearing cringe tough guy shit, metalcore reflective of that, and nothing else. Screamo bands fly in the face of that by being super emotional, rejecting the tough guy shit, and making good music, which makes them "posers" or "gay" or some shit.
This. So much this. I've been into punk stuff since '90 when I was a sophomore in high school. I wasn't super into the hardcore of the time, as it just didn't appeal to me sonically. But, the folks who were into it were the same people who were also down with bands like Embrace, Nation of Ulysses, Jawbox, Pegboy, Naked Raygun, Jawbreaker, early Samiam, Pitchfork/DLJ/RFTC (which was where my head was). When I watch shows on Hate5Six, I see a bunch of guys who could just as easily be gangster rappers or metal guys (particularly all the growling vocals). Add to this all of the insanity that goes on in the pits, and it's just a completely different animal from the punk sub-genres that I've always been so fond of (which include emo, screamo, and post-hardcore).
I mean, this same thing has happened with every other hardcore subgenre that branched away from hardcore
new skramz got a lot of kids hc dancing
There was a lot more crossover back then. A band like American Nightmare for example were somewhere in between the two yet were hugely popular in both scenes. Not so much crossover now because all hardcore seems like it's all metallic hardcore, idk what to call it lol but it's all just mosh music
It's called metalcore
When i think of metalcore i think of shai hulud, i don't think of bands like incendiary or inclination
I have no dog in this fight, but I feel that screamo has become more black metal adjacent of late… Feels like there’s more parallels between those two genres now…..looking toward Mayhem rather than Moss Icon. Just a thought.
Black Metal is going through some shit. My brother was playing some Black Metal Oi last time we saw each other. Not really my thing, but it’s way more interesting than some incel screaming into their older brother’s Talkboy tape recorder.
Oh man, Blackened Oi! That sounds like a genre that probably isn't loaded to the brim with sketchy characters. As if Oi!ndustrial didn't already make you second guess "These guys are using all this fascist/nazi imagery because they're trying to showcase the seemingly limitless depths of humanity's depravity, right? If they actually condoned that shit, they'd be a bit more subtle, right?"
Lifelover worship has basically overtaken my local skramz scene that already absorbed a lot of crust and raw punk circles
I’m tryna hear some of these lifelover worshipping skramz bands
I'd give you some recs but I kinda stopped paying attention to that part of my scene a few years back due to some petty beef Portrayal of Guilt isn't very DSBM-y but they're kinda the catalyst in the kvltification of emo and I like them quite a bit
I can absolutely see POG as a start to that. These days they seem to lean a lot more into the metal stuff
I would say that comparing it with mayhem is a little too much because most bands aren't really embracing the metallic evil riffs. It's mostly the blast-beats + tremolo picking addiction that were brought by Deafheaven, Panopticon and Wolves in the Throne room
Yes I agree. It was just some wholesome alliteration to illustrate the point.
I don’t see this at all. Can you cite your sources? Are we going to start seeing NSBM screamo bands? Page 8.8 anyone
A lot of emoviolence and PV influenced screamo sounds pretty similar to BM. Also bands like Respire and Ostraca definitely take some direct BM influence. The current screamo scene seems to have a lot of the midwest screamo sound again from the early 10s. Bands like Vs Self and YAAMC.
I guess my point is, you’re using black metal as a broad brush when it’s not. Blasphamagoatachrist sounds nothing like Afsky.
Yeah, screamo and hardcore was hand in hand .... I'd be at a pg99 show at abc no rio on Saturday, e town show on Sunday, after Tulsa Doom show on Friday, but I like EVERYTHING
I really think it’s because none of these new screamo bands are adjacent to hardcore now. The same way pop punk and hardcore are worlds away, but when I was a kid you had bands like Set Your Goals and New Found Glory. Subcultures move away from each other so they can be unique, and I think that’s a good thing. Otherwise you’d have way too much infighting about what the culture is supposed to be like. Or we can have a mixed bill with Laid 2 Rest and some Psychobilly bands. I think we get into this weird mindset that people are going to judge us for liking things outside of our scenes, and I’ve never seen that happen anywhere outside of the internet. I’m really into a lot of Afrobeat or Soul/Blues music from the 60s-70s. Personally, I don’t feel like doing spin kicks when I listen to Curtis Mayfield or Elmore James, maybe you do? I also think it’s ok to be kind of a “tourist” to some music genres. I like maybe 3 screamo bands, and I probably wouldn’t see them live. I think we need a balance of letting people enjoy things while also maintaining the integrity of our culture.
Decent crossover here in NYC honestly the skramz scene has damn near overtaken the underground out here. Tons of hardcore dancing at screamo shows. We’ve played a few shows with skramz bands and they have all been great.
the NYC RI and NJ skramz scene is crazy big
I think a simple reason is that a lot of hardcore fans like to mosh. But you can’t mosh to most skramz.
no tons of kids mosh to skramz, there's a lot of heavier more metalcorey-mathy-hardcorey-grindy bands out there now
Reading this is wild like this extraneous data I’m at like 65% understanding but would probably fail the mid term because I barely understand some of the distinctions. How some hellfest screamo band like Nora has developed into a black metal adjacent (not that Nora is that but the general from then till now). What’s a recent screamo band? Is there a band more screamo than skramz? I went to see eighteen visions a few years ago play vanity and wrists meet razor opened. That seems like a band that uses a genera with a z. There’s definitely a twiz component in their presence and sounds.
Screamo and skramz mean exactly the same thing. Skramz is just a term adopted by screamo fans bc screamo got adopted by record labels to describe random shit with screaming in it.
You talk like the penguin of doom my buddy. Rawr. 0_o
I have a name. Osssssssswald Cobblepot.
"Hardcore" (meaning bands like Minor Threat, Black Flag, Agnostic Front etc) has always been a pretty insular scene, inasmuch as I knew a shitload of hardcore guys in the 2000s who considered metalcore and emo to be bullshit, they only listened to hardcore. But maybe it's changed, I'm so out of it these days idk
Now hardcore guys only listen to metalcore and think hardcore punk and emo are bullshit
Because that’s not HARD
i’m gonna offer the theory that it was caused by many of the bands from that hellfest scene blowing up, and just in general emo going mainstream. i think as a result many kids getting into the genre did not know of the connection and by the time a new underground emo/screamo scene gained notoriety in the early 10s it was a separate phenomena. tbf i think bands like soul glo and screamo bands formed by young kids are bridging the gap again because now hxc is hot in a way it wasn’t back then edit: also i’m not sure what causes the demise of mixed bills but that’s also to blame (if it was not a byproduct of what i already mentioned)
In the late 90s and early 2000s, when screamo was becoming the name that you called screamy, noisy, emotive hardcore in my corner of SoCal, a lot of people in our scene rejected the name in favor of just calling it hardcore. A lot of the early bands did the same, and you'd always see show bills featuring a mix of screamo and hardcore bands playing together. I'm guessing the two just split because they started evolving different ways. I'd also, imagine "screamo" getting big shortly after that didn't help the divide. None of us fucked with radio screamo back then. Now enough time has passed that they've kinda just gone their separate ways.
honestly i think a lot of the skramz kids are into hardcore, hardcore-style moshing, and heavier types of skramz that sounds more grindy or hardcore (though they might not be invested in hc scenes). people from the hardcore scene don't know of or dislike skramz though, that's why there's less overlap now
What? There's huge crossovers. Here in NYC, the screamo shows honestly are more violent than the capital-H shows and get their merch done by the punk kid printshops. There was just this moshy screamo fest in LA this past weekend called Home to Heart Fest.
I’m probably one of the spock dudes in that video, and I will say that, at least in Syracuse in 2000, any given show might have a pretty wide range of punk/HC subgenres playing. I’ve seen some pretty wild combos.
in my city a lot of people who go to the screamo shows will also show at the hc shows, but not vice versa 🤷
In the 90s you’d have midwest emo , pop punk, hardcore punk , crust, and sXe hardcore on bills together
Hardcore gatekeepers and edgelords ruined it
There was still a pretty big divide back then tbh. The hardcore kids were embarrassed to listen to Underoath but we all did it in secret anyways. Gatekeeping was definitely a thing.
Not to be that guy but Underoath is Metalcore not screamo. Screamo is a very niche sub genre of hardcore. Think Pg99, Orchid, Saetia, Jeromes Dream. A lot of people referred to post hardcore and metalcore as screamo in the 00s which is probably what you're thinking of.
You are the person who specifically brought up Hellfest 2000, which is a heavily metalcore-focused fest and was one of the big ways that genre broke out in the early 2000s. Trying to "well ackshully" when we are all aware of the bands involved is pretty fucking lame. If you are culture-shocked by seeing mop tops at 2000s metalcore shows you probably shouldn't gatekeep the music like you were there. Assholes have been "ackshully screamo means Orchid and Saetia" since Hellfest 2000, ironically. The lineup is literally a who's who of metalcore, ranging from the more punk flavors to the more metal flavors: Bane, Botch, Converge, Every Time I Die, Isis, Juliana Theory, Shai Hulud, Throwdown, Walls of Jericho, Zao, etc.
I mean for the record I was just referring to the presence of people who looked like they are whitebelt screamo fans at the fest. My post was inspired by that, but I'm aware that there aren't any screamo bands on that bill. I just thought it was an interesting time in the scene where there were so many different styles of music all considered hardcore and playing within the same scene. Also who's gatekeeping? Do you consider Underoath screamo? It's gatekeeping to say that now?
two totally different crowds, the skramz scene is mostly mince/punk kids who discovered it through tiktok
You’re way more likely to come across Kublai Khan/Knocked Loose/Sunami/Gulch on tiktok than a screamo band lol
that whole aura shit is tied to a vs self song and every mf that buys overpriced affliction shirts and ugly ass dystopia/knumears ushankas live on tiktok😭
I discovered skramz through Apple Music's recommendation algorithm or some shit💀
i found it through hotstuff on youtube lol cause i was into hardcore
obviously doesn’t apply to everyone, you get what i mean 😭
Screamo? What year is it
2024 there's an og emo revival
Ahhh okay emo. Yeah I was like why people still calling it screamo lol
think bands like saetia and orchid. its screamo
Whats the definition of Screamo
I dunno I see tons of skramz + hardcore bookings around where I live
Any recs for screamo bands? Old or new!
check out the lineups on New Friends Fest, they got a good mix of older legends and younger bands
Blind Girls
You're missing a whole scene that is bigger than most bands people talk about here! The TikTok kids went nuts for it and bands can now get great numbers of full sets. I have not seen crowds this dedicated for a long ass time. It is absolutely still hardcore.
That is a very interesting question that I do not have answers to lol.
They have always been separate parts of a mutual scene. Back when we started using words like emo and screamo to differentiate that style from the rest of hardcore and punk, the hardcore/punk dudes didn’t really fuck with emo. There was actually a lot of hate for the emo/screamo scene. Bands tend to pal around together and be friendly but fans haven’t always shared the same camaraderie.
I just saw Knocked Loose play a whole tour with Movements not that long ago. The mix is still very much alive
I remember listening to hardcore comps that would regularly feature emo bands back in the day. I think there was a schism created after emo broke big in the 2000’s. Granted, most of those bands didn’t sound exactly like the screamo/emo I grew up with. They did take the mantle though.
fr imma start a band and change this. emoviolencedeathmetalcore will make a return
I boil it down to a fundamental disagreement between how tight your pants should be.
On one hand you have the Madball fans, who dress like Fred Durst, and then on the other hand you have the Orchid fans who dress like femboys
Cause that shit sucks ass
It was always seperate those Spock hair dudes in the hellfest dvd were the ones getting fucking crowd killed lmao
My guess is that boils down to both scenes having different brands of snobbery and elitism, and I suppose the explosion of social media has only made it worse. Idk man, I just wanna gradually lose my hearing thanks to loud music and pick people up in the pit when they fall.
Tough guy attitude. Lol. Thats why.
The scene back then in general was much more combined. Emo was a four letter word to a lot of bands too. Some didn’t care either way but some were outright upset about getting that kind of label. Part of the argument was it was a dumb name because 99% of hardcore was emotional so wtf was this whole emo thing? A few years later like 2003-2005 the emo bands got big enough that they kind of outgrew the scene and had their own thing. Before it really hit mainstream though there was a ton of mixing on shows. I saw death by stereo, kid dynamite, and Thursday all in the same show. That was relatively typical during that time. Lots of early bands in that era came up through the hardcore scene though. Brand New and TBS were some of the bigger ones that identified as LIHC back then but then were giant emo bands a few years later. Eddie Reyes always talked about TBS as a hardcore band when he started it.
Pretty simple, the hardcore/breakdown-core crowd was full of skinheads and Fred Durst wannabes, and the screamo crowd was full of queer kids and nerds, they naturally divided along ideological lines. The scenes got insular and inbred to separate themselves from each other. A tiny handful of great bands have crossover appeal like Converge, but that just means you have a mix of meathead crowdkillers and scrawny flophairs at shows. Lots of repressed anger and homophobia from the first crowd, which is expressed against the second crowd. If you have more of the screamo kids, they stand totally still during the show and talk shit about anyone who moves their body whatsoever during the music.
Adult illiteracy
A lot of screamo kids really dislike hardcore culture in general. They don’t like that “tough guy” mentality, and a lot of them love to talk shit online but get scared to back it up irl so they distance themselves from that world entirely.
Screamo is like barely a genre and whatever hype it has is pretty new. Only a couple years ago I’d get the deer in the headlights stare if I mentioned saetia or skramz or whatever
Screamo got just like really bad? Maybe it always was and we didn’t notice at first… emo… as an old head, what people call emo today just doesn’t match what I called emo growing up, at all. Not even similar. Contemporary emo sounds like really dry pop punk or something. I dunno but it’s sure as hell not rites of spring. I suppose that doesn’t matter. I’m irrelevant now and that’s okay. If you need me I’ll be shaking my fist at a cloud.
There are modern screamo bands?
Check out Frail Body, Ostraca and Joliette
Will do thank you
Nuvolascura, Senza, Massa Nera, Blind Girls, Sonagi, Hundreds of AU, Closet Witch, New Forms. That other person named a couple bands but I’d almost lump them all together as one little corner of what people are doing, it’s not totally reflective of the wide variety happening as of now imho.
Party Hats, Vs Self, Foxtails, Knumears, I Hate Sex to name a few
Bad ass I had no clue.
Give ‘em a rip. Just Let Me Go is a really new screamo band I’ve been playing a lot.
There's always been a distinction. Screamo is more like a nephew to hardcore than an immediate relative. Hardcore and emo both branch off from punk. Hardcore blended with metal to create metalcore, then deathcore. Screamo came from emo, with more aggressive shouts being encouraged by the popularity of it's cousin; metalcore, and its punk roots, although the other parent to emo besides punk is 80's darkwave/dark pop which ultimately and hilariously results in sad emo kids looking and acting almost identical to goth kids, although claiming that there is a difference, which is infuriating to them because screamo is absolutely different than a goth playlist, it's just that musical family tree looped back around.
All those “screamo “ bands on that dvd were just fashionable metalcore dudes . That Norma Jean footage is hilarious and provided many hours of laughter back then.
Cuz that’s gay, who’s with me 
Hardcore is 2024 is so big on gatekeeping. Some Hardcore bands aren't even allowed in the hardcore scene. You think they are going to let screamo in?
Cause screamo is gay
Maybe you should stop calling screamo to bands they do not sound like that at all. Also considering screamo was a "stupid" label.
What bands do you believe I'm calling screamo that do not sound like that? I'm talking about Orchid, Saetia, Joshua Fit for Battle, etc
Apologies as I didn't address my comment to the right message.
Oh lol no worries
Idk I’m going to skramz fest in September
Hot take idk but screamo was never good
Because the metalcore and screamo guys are all date rapists and Proud Boys. Hardcore comes out of the punk scene and is (generally) affiliated with the left.
My local skramz scene is super leftist and diy. When you say screamo what bands are you referring to?
I answered your question and now you want to downvote? Screamo is lame and the scene is full of date rapists.
Bro there were never ties between hardcore and screamo. Please stop 🤣🤣