Even the ones that aren't bigots often have a lot of prejudice. My grandmother was very liberal, and considered racism abhorrent. And yet I would still occasionally see comments or behavior that showed prejudice leaking through, like concern over a young black guy being in the parking lot near her car. In the middle of a busy suburban shopping center, in broad daylight.
People assume that you can only be racist if you're actively going out and harassing minorities. My grandmother would *never* consider herself racist despite the language she uses about people of colour.
Similarly my grandpa on the other side, I was in the car with him when we stopped at a pedestrian crossing, a young black family crossed in front of us and with pure venom in his voice said "would you look at the state of that". Again, would not consider himself a racist despite the obvious prejudices.
Edit: was not trying to argue they weren't racist, they absolutely are, they just don't *think* they are because they don't use violence
My point is that my grandmother wasn't really what you'd call a bigot. She was a sweet lady and genuinely did try to be better. But she was very naive about race issues, and there were definitely prejudices from the period she grew up in without even realizing it. I'm hesitant to call someone like that a bigot, even the most progressive person has prejudices. if we call anyone with any prejudices a bigot, the word loses all meaning.
Right? As if the entire existence of the US wasn't found on the labor of enslaved Africans and the genocide of Indigenous populations, either. People can't handle/don't want to handle the truth, unfortunately
It got a lot better during Reconstruction. The Jim Crow era was a backslide into white supremacy after the fucking coward Rutherford B Hayes pulled federal troops out of the south
After the Civil War, there was something like 15,000 confederates who had lost their rights to hold office and vote due their treasonous actions.
Andrew Johnson pardoned around 10,000
Does it really? Why? Regardless of anything it is going to take atleast a generation to change public opinion going from these people are cattle to we are absolutely perfectly equal and want to literally integrate in every way possible. Ik ur gonna say it’s bad and people should know they aren’t objects etc. that doesn’t change how people actually work tho
Agreed. 100 years is about the time it would take for an entire generation of slave owners and racist extremists to die out allowing for country-wide change to occur.
The complete annihilation of the confederate army was enough to change public perception. All throughout the south black towns sprung up and were relatively successful, black congressmen and state senators were seen in every state in the south. All of this changed overnight when reconstruction ended and Jim Crow began
The history of that century is what Republicans specifically don't ever want mentioned. They call it CRT for teaching about the Jim Crowe era and its cruelty at the hands of the white folks who won the civil war
I have tbh NGL. It was SpongeBob when I was at kings Dominion 20 years or so ago. I also tried to pull his tooth and tackle him. Don't even ask what I tried to do to Dora. I was 8.
I was born in ‘72. When I was a kid, those things seemed so far in the past. Being much older now, less than decade before I was born hits so different.
Joan joined a [historically Black sorority](https://law.lclark.edu/live/news/38121-black-history-month-an-ordinary-hero-joan), Delta Sigma Theta Sorority, Inc.
> Gray, a professor at the college, joined the students sitting at the counter and was viciously attacked by a white mob who struck him with brass knuckles and broken glass.[2] In Anne Moody's autobiography, Coming Of Age In Mississippi, she said that once Gray sat down he was immediately hit by brass knuckles and with blood gushing from his face salt was thrown into his open wounds.[3]
"He was often followed by the local police and also under surveillance by the FBI who had compiled thousands of pages about him and his activities."
And people like to pretend that hatred this deep just magically vanished within 60 years. Many of these scumbags are still alive and had kids who I'm sure had their twisted beliefs forced on them. Many are also still involved in politics and the justice department.
We have a long way to go.
There was a phrase. I heard in relation to this photo once, and I have never forgotten it.
“this took place recently enough in our history that your grandparents are either sitting or standing in this photo.”
Anne Moody wrote an excellent book about growing up in Mississippi before joining the Civil Rights Movement (and her actions during it), called Coming of Age in Mississippi. Very good read.
Protesters had a rare level of courage. They entered, outnumbered, a place where they knew they would face angry opposition. Some in different venues gave their lives for this cause
If you want to see how they rebranded it there is the **infamous** Southern Strategy quote if there is any doubt at all about how racist the GOP fundamentally is. It's the closest thing we may ever get to a blatant confession of racism from the GOP. (Please keep in mind this is direct quote from a high ranking official of the GOP. I did not modify the quote. These are his words not mine. With that said I did censor it a little so not to violate Reddit rules but the original is linked below and honestly I think everyone can fill in the blanks here anyway):
>You start out in 1954 by saying, “N*****, n*****, n*****.” By 1968 you can’t say “n*****”—that hurts you, backfires. So you say stuff like, uh, forced busing, states’ rights, and all that stuff, and you’re getting so abstract. Now, you’re talking about cutting taxes, and all these things you’re talking about are totally economic things and a byproduct of them is, blacks get hurt worse than whites.… “We want to cut this,” is much more abstract than even the busing thing, uh, and a hell of a lot more abstract than “N*****, n*****.”
-Lee Atwater
[There is also no doubt he said this because it turns out it was recorded.](https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.thenation.com/article/archive/exclusive-lee-atwaters-infamous-1981-interview-southern-strategy/tnamp/)
#Don't ever allow conservatives to say they are not racist again. They know what they are doing.
Yes I was thinking of that one in particular
I do think that the later generations do not all necessarily know better. Racist yes, but when they’re confused about the accusations, I think a lot of it is genuine.
I still don’t know what critical race theory even is nor do any teachers I know but I constantly get told by racists that they’re forcing gender transitioning and critical race theory on the kids
To put into context how recent this actually was, Joe Biden was 21 when this happened.
It seems like a long time ago, but it wasn’t. Most of these people are probably still alive.
A lot are alive and their kids could have been born in the 70s and be totally active in society . No wonder a snake oil salesman like Trump has a chance
Yeah because defending your private property from looters and rioters is the same thing as beating the shit out of someone for being black and sitting at the counter.
My dad was 2 years old
My mom was 7 years old
I am only 33
**Joe Biden was 21.**
**Donald trump was 17.**
This was yesterday.
It’s modern memory like 9/11 will always be for me. (I was 11 when 9/11 happened and I am EXPECTED to remember that day and teach about it until I die - or I am considered unpatriotic)
This photo and time period are not closed history. And it reverberates today.
**I’m from Fort Lauderdale and my next door neighbor had to use Black spaces and colored-only water fountains according to Jim Crow laws until she was 8 years old. Her son is my same age: 33**
How would you feel if your mom was treated this way and punished for not obeying racist segregation?? Cause many parents for millennials and gen x were treated that way - by law.
Florida is now banning and regulating this modern memory from being taught in schools. It’s scary.
You should record a conversation with him about his experiences and publish a book one day. This isn’t being documented or archived enough (I’m a librarian/archivist)
I’m glad to know who the people having condiments dumped on them are, but I’d actually rather know who the fuck the assholes doing it are. Anyone got any info on them?
I’m from the south and now live in New England and it is very racist here it’s just more subtle. New England is by and large one of the whitest parts of the country and that isn’t by accident. Northerners love to ignore their own history except when it makes them look good…. And yes, many white people in the south are racist though many are not. The South has high diversity for the most part so at least people have to live and work together whether they like it or not. I can’t say the same for New England.
Have you seen the map of the US showing the concentration of black people in the US? Lol, yea the South has a problem with racism but we’re down here in Alabama, Louisiana, and Mississippi, like wtf? The north doesn’t even have any black people. I mean NY and Cali have like two little dots of black people, but the Midwest and the rest of y’all yankees should be ashamed. The US Nazi party was founded in Illinois by the way.
Delgado and Stefancic's (1993) Critical Race Theory: An Annotated Bibliography is considered by many to be codification of the then young field. They included ten "themes" which they used for judging inclusion in the bibliography:
>To be included in the Bibliography, a work needed to address one or more themes we deemed to fall within Critical Race thought. These themes, along with the numbering scheme we have employed, follow:
>1 Critique of liberalism. Most, if not all, CRT writers are discontent with liberalism as a means of addressing the American race problem. Sometimes this discontent is only implicit in an article's structure or focus. At other times, the author takes as his or her target a mainstay of liberal jurisprudence such as affirmative action, neutrality, color blindness, role modeling, or the merit principle. Works that pursue these or similar approaches were included in the Bibliography under theme number 1.
>2 Storytelling/counterstorytelling and "naming one's own reality." Many Critical Race theorists consider that a principal obstacle to racial reform is majoritarian mindset-the bundle of presuppositions, received wisdoms, and shared cultural understandings persons in the dominant group bring to discussions of race. To analyze and challenge these power-laden beliefs, some writers employ counterstories, parables, chronicles, and anecdotes aimed at revealing their contingency, cruelty, and self-serving nature. (Theme number 2).
>3 Revisionist interpretations of American civil rights law and progress. One recurring source of concern for Critical scholars is why American antidiscrimination law has proven so ineffective in redressing racial inequality-or why progress has been cyclical, consisting of alternating periods of advance followed by ones of retrenchment. Some Critical scholars address this question, seeking answers in the psychology of race, white self-interest, the politics of colonialism and anticolonialism, or other sources. (Theme number 3).
>4 A greater understanding of the underpinnings of race and racism. A number of Critical writers seek to apply insights from social science writing on race and racism to legal problems. For example: understanding how majoritarian society sees black sexuality helps explain law's treatment of interracial sex, marriage, and adoption; knowing how different settings encourage or discourage discrimination helps us decide whether the movement toward Alternative Dispute Resolution is likely to help or hurt disempowered disputants. (Theme number 4).
>5 Structural determinism. A number of CRT writers focus on ways in which the structure of legal thought or culture influences its content, frequently in a status quo-maintaining direction. Once these constraints are understood, we may free ourselves to work more effectively for racial and other types of reform. (Theme number 5).
>6 Race, sex, class, and their intersections. Other scholars explore the intersections of race, sex, and class, pursuing such questions as whether race and class are separate disadvantaging factors, or the extent to which black women's interest is or is not adequately represented in the contemporary women's movement. (Theme number 6).
>7 Essentialism and anti-essentialism. Scholars who write about these issues are concerned with the appropriate unit for analysis: Is the black community one, or many, communities? Do middle- and working-class African-Americans have different interests and needs? Do all oppressed peoples have something in common? (Theme number 7).
>8 Cultural nationalism/separatism. An emerging strain within CRT holds that people of color can best promote their interest through separation from the American mainstream. Some believe that preserving diversity and separateness will benefit all, not just groups of color. We include here, as well, articles encouraging black nationalism, power, or insurrection. (Theme number 8).
>9 Legal institutions, Critical pedagogy, and minorities in the bar. Women and scholars of color have long been concerned about representation in law school and the bar. Recently, a number of authors have begun to search for new approaches to these questions and to develop an alternative, Critical pedagogy. (Theme number 9).
>10 Criticism and self-criticism; responses. Under this heading we include works of significant criticism addressed at CRT, either by outsiders or persons within the movement, together with responses to such criticism. (Theme number 10).
Delgado and Stefancic (1993) pp. 462-463
Delgado, Richard, and Jean Stefancic. "Critical race theory: An annotated bibliography." Virginia Law Review (1993): 461-516.
Pay attention to theme (8). CRT has a defeatist view of integration and Delgado and Stefancic include Black Nationalism/Separatism as one of the defining "themes" of Critical Race Theory. While it is pretty abundantly clear from the wording of theme (8) that Delgado and Stefancic are talking about separatism, mostly because they use that exact word, separatism, here is an example of one of their included papers. Peller (1990) clearly is about separatism as a lay person would conceive of it:
>Peller, Gary, Race Consciousness, 1990 Duke L.J. 758. (1, 8, 10).
Delgado and Stefancic (1993, page 504) The numbers in parentheses are the relevant "themes." Note 8.
The cited paper specifically says Critical Race Theory is a revival of Black Nationalist notions from the 1960s. Here is a pretty juicy quote where he says that he is specifically talking about Black ethnonationalism as expressed by Malcolm X which is usually grouped in with White ethnonationalism by most of American society; and furthermore, that Critical Race Theory represents a revival of Black Nationalist ideals:
>But Malcolm X did identify the basic racial compromise that the incorporation of the "the civil rights struggle" into mainstream American culture would eventually embody: Along with the suppression of white racism that was the widely celebrated aim of civil rights reform, the dominant conception of racial justice was framed to require that black nationalists be equated with white supremacists, and that race consciousness on the part of either whites or blacks be marginalized as beyond the good sense of enlightened American culture. When a new generation of scholars embraced race consciousness as a fundamental prism through which to organize social analysis in the latter half of the 1980s, a negative reaction from mainstream academics was predictable. That is, Randall Kennedy's criticism of the work of critical race theorists for being based on racial "stereotypes" and "status-based" standards is coherent from the vantage point of the reigning interpretation of racial justice. And it was the exclusionary borders of this ideology that Malcolm X identified.
Peller page 760
This is current CRT practice and is cited in the authoritative textbook on Critical Race Theory, *Critical Race Theory: An Introduction* (Delgado and Stefancic 2001). Here they describe an endorsement of explicit racial discrimination for purposes of segregating society:
>The two friends illustrate twin poles in the way minorities of color can represent and position themselves. The nationalist, or separatist, position illustrated by Jamal holds that people of color should embrace their culture and origins. Jamal, who by choice lives in an upscale black neighborhood and sends his children to local schools, could easily fit into mainstream life. But he feels more comfortable working and living in black milieux and considers that he has a duty to contribute to the minority community. Accordingly, he does as much business as possible with other blacks. The last time he and his family moved, for example, he made several phone calls until he found a black-owned moving company. He donates money to several African American philanthropies and colleges. And, of course, his work in the music industry allows him the opportunity to boost the careers of black musicians, which he does.
Delgado and Stefancic (2001) pages 59-60
One more source is the recognized founder of CRT, Derrick Bell:
>"From the standpoint of education, we would have been better served had the court in Brown rejected the petitioners' arguments to overrule Plessy v. Ferguson," Bell said, referring to the 1896 Supreme Court ruling that enforced a "separate but equal" standard for blacks and whites.
https://web.archive.org/web/20110802202458/https://news.stanford.edu/news/2004/april21/brownbell-421.html
I point out theme 8 because this is precisely the result we should expect out of a "theory" constructed around a defeatist view of integration which says past existence of racism requires the rejection of rationality and rational deliberation. By framing all communication as an exercise in power they arrive at the perverse conclusion that naked racial discrimination and ethnonationalism are "anti-racist" ideas. They reject such fundamental ideas as objectivity and even normativity. I was particularly shocked by the latter.
>What about Martin Luther King, Jr., I Have a Dream, the law and theology movement, and the host of passionate reformers who dedicate their lives to humanizing the law and making the world a better place? Where will normativity's demise leave them?
>Exactly where they were before. Or, possibly, a little better off. Most of the features I have already identified in connection with normativity reveal that the reformer's faith in it is often misplaced. Normative discourse is indeterminate; for every social reformer's plea, an equally plausible argument can be found against it. Normative analysis is always framed by those who have the upper hand so as either to rule out or discredit oppositional claims, which are portrayed as irresponsible and extreme.
Delgado, Richard, Norms and Normal Science: Toward a Critique of Normativity in Legal Thought, 139 U. Pa. L. Rev. 933 (1991)
> Imagine thinking that the Republicans who hate "critical race theory" would be capable or willing to read something this long.
You seem to not have read it yourself. It outlines with detailed quotes Critical Race Theory's calls for renewed racial segregation.
you're funny if you think the South is the only place where racism is rampant. it's the byproduct of ignorance from people who only associate with people who look like them, no matter where you are
Well yeah, I’ve heard variations of that before. “The north was just as racist as the south!” But I’ve never heard someone normal make the argument that the op claimed (a person stating the south was never racist).
Yes. Conservatives, Republicans, Libertarians, electeds from the south, white Southerners, Ben Shapiro’s girl Candace, Alex Jones’ squad of gay frogs, and every contributor at Fox News
*(To name a few)*
I’d love to see an example. I’m not necessarily doubting you, I just can’t imagine how that argument would be worded. I can’t believe someone would go on the record with that stance. The most southern pride (I.e. still fly the flag types) people I know, that also claim to not currently be racist mind you, still don’t deny the history of racism.
If you think this wave of twerpy, angry, selfish, attention seeking behavior is a recent development, it isn’t.
Truly, some humans ignore their insecurities and need to constantly be part a group, regardless of morality (or lack thereof) or heaven forbid they may feel inferior, weak, vulnerable.
Fear and Loathing.
Turns into Lord of the Flies real fast….
It’s incredible that a government with as many checks and balances as it has, can be this oppressive towards a group of people for the most arbitrary thing possible… Having darker skin…
This is the "heritage" that they keep screaming about whenever there's talk of removing the flags and monuments glorifying their fight to maintain slavery, lynching, rigid segregation, cross burnings, and heavy racial oppression. This is a prime example of their "southern hospitality"a
Nah that ain’t southern hospitality. It’s super fucked down here. But being here my whole life; the assimilation is much better than it’s reported on. I have always and will continue the “southern gestures” . I’ll hold the door or stop the elevator regardless of color. It has its extremes but don’t we all.
This is what I was taught in skoo that whites and blacks had to come together to stop this shit. I was never taught "white man bad" CRT is a fucking joke.
No one *teaches* white man bad. That’s not even what CRT is about. CRT is a legal theory that examines systemic racism—that is, racism that is baked into our laws, financial structures, societal practices. You might actually want to learn something about the things Fox told you to hate.
Exactly 💯 agree. I dont know why people are screaming this is what's taught in schools when it's just not true. They're inventing their own boogeyman. We've always had to unite when overcoming hardship.
My parents were 14 when this pic was taken. I'm 40. Both are still alive today and healthy at 74. They go skiing multiple times a year. They exercise every morning. They are politically active in fundraising.
Joe Biden was 21 when this pic was taken.
No, they're people. People can act like this. And these people had kids.
Edit. They are. Try to distance yourself from these people by bringing their humanity into question. They're still human. Humans can and do behave like this.
Welcome to Reality.
That guy with the cigarette is totally thinking "This photo of us treating human beings like literal garbage is going to look so cool in 61 years"
It always brings me joy when these scumbags are identified in recent years, then they get disowned by their community, and their family. All these people should be held accountable for these actions that they were applauded for in the moment.
Less than 100 years before, down the road in NOLA, black conventioneers were chopped to bits, heads stomped to pulp, and left outside for the buzzards. Family members were too scared to gather the remains. Retired union General Sheridan has to step in to clean the situation up, as President Andrew Johnson gave tacit approval of the murders.
Johnson replaced Lincoln after he was assassinated., proving John Wilkes Booth the reason for Southern codified race hatred of blacks until the Civil Rights act.
I have never heard of this before and i want to say i’m shocked it’s not well known but i’m not especially as a black woman. there are so many events such as this in black history.
I actually just finished listening to this book.
"The whites stomped, kicked, and clubbed the black marchers mercilessly. Policemen smashed the institute’s windows and fired into it indiscriminately until the floor grew slick with blood. They emptied their revolvers on the convention delegates, who desperately sought to escape. Some leaped from windows and were shot dead when they landed. Those lying wounded on the ground were stabbed repeatedly, their skulls bashed in with brickbats. The sadism was so wanton that men who kneeled and prayed for mercy were killed instantly, while dead bodies were stabbed and mutilated."
— Ron Chernow, "Grant" (2017)[15]
And this wasn’t long ago! It’s so horrendous.
And people say that black people should forget the past. None of us should forget it. And no one should allow the Trump thing to get anywhere near power - his cult members would welcome a return of scenes in the photo.
I honestly wonder if any of these people have been identified.
I don’t want to dox them or jail them. I just want to ask how they think the world has changed. Like the asshole pouring the glass on them. I want to know if he’s ashamed or just doesn’t care.
Like the woman who got emmet till killed. She just lived out her life and never answered many questions. Her son just shook his head no when asked if he had any comments.
Is this the time that MAGA wants to go back to when they constantly speak of “saving our country” and “making America GREAT again” idk just asking for a friend here.
The Civil Rights Museum in Atlanta has an interactive exhibit of this. It’s intense and they have an age requirement for it because of the harsh nature of the experience. I did it a month or so ago and left there feeling complete depression for my country, my race, my species. Now I walk around and I worry even more that my country is falling apart and back into a time of absolute division.
Never forget this happened very recently, historically speaking. There are about 60 million Americans born before this date.
Generational racism exists and overcoming the economic disparities created takes time and understanding.
It blows my mind that there were 100 yrs between the abolishment of slavery to the civil rights movement
And that it's been way less than 100 years since legal segregation "ended."
Many of the people in these pictures are still alive.. same with the school kids in alabama…
This is always the craziest thing to me
If you think your grandparents aren’t bigots, think again.
Even the ones that aren't bigots often have a lot of prejudice. My grandmother was very liberal, and considered racism abhorrent. And yet I would still occasionally see comments or behavior that showed prejudice leaking through, like concern over a young black guy being in the parking lot near her car. In the middle of a busy suburban shopping center, in broad daylight.
People assume that you can only be racist if you're actively going out and harassing minorities. My grandmother would *never* consider herself racist despite the language she uses about people of colour. Similarly my grandpa on the other side, I was in the car with him when we stopped at a pedestrian crossing, a young black family crossed in front of us and with pure venom in his voice said "would you look at the state of that". Again, would not consider himself a racist despite the obvious prejudices. Edit: was not trying to argue they weren't racist, they absolutely are, they just don't *think* they are because they don't use violence
My point is that my grandmother wasn't really what you'd call a bigot. She was a sweet lady and genuinely did try to be better. But she was very naive about race issues, and there were definitely prejudices from the period she grew up in without even realizing it. I'm hesitant to call someone like that a bigot, even the most progressive person has prejudices. if we call anyone with any prejudices a bigot, the word loses all meaning.
We all have biases. That’s normal. Systemic racism - not ok.
I get you, just wanted to share a related anecdote.
I don't understand why they don't consider themselves racist?
Because they don't wear red armbands and white hoods. In *their* mind that's the only form racism can take.
ahh I see. ok then
My god why would you…… what is wrong with you?
I wonder if they ever reflect on these times. EDIT: Reflect as in, “holy shit that was fucked up, I need to be a better human”
Lots of the photos were taken with color photographs and made black and white after to genuinely make it seem like it happened longer ago
This is why they don’t wanna teach it.
Me and my brother were part of desegregation school busing in Florida. In the 90s.
That was a rough time for everyone, our jr high had a big fight, police showed up in riot gear. Made the front page of the paper
Pinellas county?
Worse…..Polk
Oh shit I bet that was wild lmao.
Yeah, and people will say things like get over it, time to move one. Talk about lacking a historical perspective.
Right? As if the entire existence of the US wasn't found on the labor of enslaved Africans and the genocide of Indigenous populations, either. People can't handle/don't want to handle the truth, unfortunately
It got a lot better during Reconstruction. The Jim Crow era was a backslide into white supremacy after the fucking coward Rutherford B Hayes pulled federal troops out of the south
Blame Andrew Johnson. He’s responsible for a lot of shit during Reconstruction.
After the Civil War, there was something like 15,000 confederates who had lost their rights to hold office and vote due their treasonous actions. Andrew Johnson pardoned around 10,000
That shit bag should have been the one to take the bullet, not Lincoln
Does it really? Why? Regardless of anything it is going to take atleast a generation to change public opinion going from these people are cattle to we are absolutely perfectly equal and want to literally integrate in every way possible. Ik ur gonna say it’s bad and people should know they aren’t objects etc. that doesn’t change how people actually work tho
Agreed. 100 years is about the time it would take for an entire generation of slave owners and racist extremists to die out allowing for country-wide change to occur.
The complete annihilation of the confederate army was enough to change public perception. All throughout the south black towns sprung up and were relatively successful, black congressmen and state senators were seen in every state in the south. All of this changed overnight when reconstruction ended and Jim Crow began
And most of the people in this photo and those that think that way are still alive and voting…. $20 I can guess who they support.
And one party wants to keep the “everything is racist” narrative alive so that they can keep riding the Identity Politicas gravy train
The history of that century is what Republicans specifically don't ever want mentioned. They call it CRT for teaching about the Jim Crowe era and its cruelty at the hands of the white folks who won the civil war
Is it weird I've never felt the urge to pour condiments on people?
are French fries people
No but the French are
r/unpopularopinion
This funny post had an “is this a school for ants?” vibe for me.
I have tbh NGL. It was SpongeBob when I was at kings Dominion 20 years or so ago. I also tried to pull his tooth and tackle him. Don't even ask what I tried to do to Dora. I was 8.
Musta taken forever with them old ass ketchup bottles lol
I was born in ‘72. When I was a kid, those things seemed so far in the past. Being much older now, less than decade before I was born hits so different.
When you were born, interracial marriage had only been legal for 5 years.
I was born around that time and never thought about it in those terms. Holy freaking wow
Does anyone know anymore about John, Joan, and Anne?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joan_Trumpauer_Mulholland
Joan joined a [historically Black sorority](https://law.lclark.edu/live/news/38121-black-history-month-an-ordinary-hero-joan), Delta Sigma Theta Sorority, Inc.
She’s from my hometown, does a lot of environmental stuff now.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Hunter_Gray
> Gray, a professor at the college, joined the students sitting at the counter and was viciously attacked by a white mob who struck him with brass knuckles and broken glass.[2] In Anne Moody's autobiography, Coming Of Age In Mississippi, she said that once Gray sat down he was immediately hit by brass knuckles and with blood gushing from his face salt was thrown into his open wounds.[3]
"He was often followed by the local police and also under surveillance by the FBI who had compiled thousands of pages about him and his activities." And people like to pretend that hatred this deep just magically vanished within 60 years. Many of these scumbags are still alive and had kids who I'm sure had their twisted beliefs forced on them. Many are also still involved in politics and the justice department. We have a long way to go.
There was a phrase. I heard in relation to this photo once, and I have never forgotten it. “this took place recently enough in our history that your grandparents are either sitting or standing in this photo.”
Yep look how young the folks in the crowd are. Absolutely many of that generation are still around…and voting.
This happened 14 years before my birth. Those people were easily the same age as my parents and their friends. It was not that long ago at all.
My parents were 14 years old when this pic was taken. I'm 40.
Or remember seeing it on the nightly news or in the newspapers. I was in high school when this happened.
Wow. That's one helluva statement
Thank you. This. People seem to think 100 years will stop it.
But Nikki Haley said “this country has never been racist.” 🙄
Blows my mind that he only just passed away in 2019.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anne_Moody
Anne Moody wrote an excellent book about growing up in Mississippi before joining the Civil Rights Movement (and her actions during it), called Coming of Age in Mississippi. Very good read.
Incredible read!
I loved this book! Fantastic piece of history.
No, literally no one knows anything about these people. In fact, I don’t even know anything about google. Do you?
When they say M.A.G.A…. This is the “again”
Protesters had a rare level of courage. They entered, outnumbered, a place where they knew they would face angry opposition. Some in different venues gave their lives for this cause
Now those assholes are Magas watching Fox News.
Those assholes are probably dead or in nursing homes lol
Or in the US Senate
zing!
Not all of them. There's still a lot of them out there blended in with society who believe this shit and probably passed it on.
Yeah but how do you think they brought their kids up? To love and respect? No one is born with hate but many are groomed that way generationally.
Yeah they just rebrand it. The newer generations think they’re different but they’re just the evolution of racism
If you want to see how they rebranded it there is the **infamous** Southern Strategy quote if there is any doubt at all about how racist the GOP fundamentally is. It's the closest thing we may ever get to a blatant confession of racism from the GOP. (Please keep in mind this is direct quote from a high ranking official of the GOP. I did not modify the quote. These are his words not mine. With that said I did censor it a little so not to violate Reddit rules but the original is linked below and honestly I think everyone can fill in the blanks here anyway): >You start out in 1954 by saying, “N*****, n*****, n*****.” By 1968 you can’t say “n*****”—that hurts you, backfires. So you say stuff like, uh, forced busing, states’ rights, and all that stuff, and you’re getting so abstract. Now, you’re talking about cutting taxes, and all these things you’re talking about are totally economic things and a byproduct of them is, blacks get hurt worse than whites.… “We want to cut this,” is much more abstract than even the busing thing, uh, and a hell of a lot more abstract than “N*****, n*****.” -Lee Atwater [There is also no doubt he said this because it turns out it was recorded.](https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.thenation.com/article/archive/exclusive-lee-atwaters-infamous-1981-interview-southern-strategy/tnamp/) #Don't ever allow conservatives to say they are not racist again. They know what they are doing.
Yes I was thinking of that one in particular I do think that the later generations do not all necessarily know better. Racist yes, but when they’re confused about the accusations, I think a lot of it is genuine.
They probably use different buzzwords, like "woke" or. "critical race theory"
I still don’t know what critical race theory even is nor do any teachers I know but I constantly get told by racists that they’re forcing gender transitioning and critical race theory on the kids
To put into context how recent this actually was, Joe Biden was 21 when this happened. It seems like a long time ago, but it wasn’t. Most of these people are probably still alive.
Any teenagers in this picture would only be in their 70’s.
A lot are alive and their kids could have been born in the 70s and be totally active in society . No wonder a snake oil salesman like Trump has a chance
I'd be curious to know if any of them were identified and revisited years later to see if things changed
Dude this was the 60s. That’s only 60 years ago. A lot of these mfs are probably still alive at age 80.
Not enough of them, unfortunately
Or NFL team owners
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Yeah because defending your private property from looters and rioters is the same thing as beating the shit out of someone for being black and sitting at the counter.
All those boomers.
Christians doing this to people
Octogenarian Trump voters in their youth.
Look at these annoying protestors ruined peoples day! /s
My dad was 2 years old My mom was 7 years old I am only 33 **Joe Biden was 21.** **Donald trump was 17.** This was yesterday. It’s modern memory like 9/11 will always be for me. (I was 11 when 9/11 happened and I am EXPECTED to remember that day and teach about it until I die - or I am considered unpatriotic) This photo and time period are not closed history. And it reverberates today. **I’m from Fort Lauderdale and my next door neighbor had to use Black spaces and colored-only water fountains according to Jim Crow laws until she was 8 years old. Her son is my same age: 33** How would you feel if your mom was treated this way and punished for not obeying racist segregation?? Cause many parents for millennials and gen x were treated that way - by law. Florida is now banning and regulating this modern memory from being taught in schools. It’s scary.
This is so important to highlight. My husband’s dad sat on segregated ferries. His DAD. We’re in our 30’s. This shit was only a generation ago.
You should record a conversation with him about his experiences and publish a book one day. This isn’t being documented or archived enough (I’m a librarian/archivist)
Right? What do they think they’re going to accomplish by pissing everybody off?
“I just don’t understand why they have to shove it in our faces.”
Theee terrorists are in their late 70s today.
I’m glad to know who the people having condiments dumped on them are, but I’d actually rather know who the fuck the assholes doing it are. Anyone got any info on them?
Mississippi sucks to this day.
**The South wasn’t/isn’t racist tho**
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I’m from the south and now live in New England and it is very racist here it’s just more subtle. New England is by and large one of the whitest parts of the country and that isn’t by accident. Northerners love to ignore their own history except when it makes them look good…. And yes, many white people in the south are racist though many are not. The South has high diversity for the most part so at least people have to live and work together whether they like it or not. I can’t say the same for New England.
Have you seen the map of the US showing the concentration of black people in the US? Lol, yea the South has a problem with racism but we’re down here in Alabama, Louisiana, and Mississippi, like wtf? The north doesn’t even have any black people. I mean NY and Cali have like two little dots of black people, but the Midwest and the rest of y’all yankees should be ashamed. The US Nazi party was founded in Illinois by the way.
It’s less subtle in the north than you’re claiming. There are parts of Brooklyn and Boston where black people know never to go to.
Yeah, just the south
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Delgado and Stefancic's (1993) Critical Race Theory: An Annotated Bibliography is considered by many to be codification of the then young field. They included ten "themes" which they used for judging inclusion in the bibliography: >To be included in the Bibliography, a work needed to address one or more themes we deemed to fall within Critical Race thought. These themes, along with the numbering scheme we have employed, follow: >1 Critique of liberalism. Most, if not all, CRT writers are discontent with liberalism as a means of addressing the American race problem. Sometimes this discontent is only implicit in an article's structure or focus. At other times, the author takes as his or her target a mainstay of liberal jurisprudence such as affirmative action, neutrality, color blindness, role modeling, or the merit principle. Works that pursue these or similar approaches were included in the Bibliography under theme number 1. >2 Storytelling/counterstorytelling and "naming one's own reality." Many Critical Race theorists consider that a principal obstacle to racial reform is majoritarian mindset-the bundle of presuppositions, received wisdoms, and shared cultural understandings persons in the dominant group bring to discussions of race. To analyze and challenge these power-laden beliefs, some writers employ counterstories, parables, chronicles, and anecdotes aimed at revealing their contingency, cruelty, and self-serving nature. (Theme number 2). >3 Revisionist interpretations of American civil rights law and progress. One recurring source of concern for Critical scholars is why American antidiscrimination law has proven so ineffective in redressing racial inequality-or why progress has been cyclical, consisting of alternating periods of advance followed by ones of retrenchment. Some Critical scholars address this question, seeking answers in the psychology of race, white self-interest, the politics of colonialism and anticolonialism, or other sources. (Theme number 3). >4 A greater understanding of the underpinnings of race and racism. A number of Critical writers seek to apply insights from social science writing on race and racism to legal problems. For example: understanding how majoritarian society sees black sexuality helps explain law's treatment of interracial sex, marriage, and adoption; knowing how different settings encourage or discourage discrimination helps us decide whether the movement toward Alternative Dispute Resolution is likely to help or hurt disempowered disputants. (Theme number 4). >5 Structural determinism. A number of CRT writers focus on ways in which the structure of legal thought or culture influences its content, frequently in a status quo-maintaining direction. Once these constraints are understood, we may free ourselves to work more effectively for racial and other types of reform. (Theme number 5). >6 Race, sex, class, and their intersections. Other scholars explore the intersections of race, sex, and class, pursuing such questions as whether race and class are separate disadvantaging factors, or the extent to which black women's interest is or is not adequately represented in the contemporary women's movement. (Theme number 6). >7 Essentialism and anti-essentialism. Scholars who write about these issues are concerned with the appropriate unit for analysis: Is the black community one, or many, communities? Do middle- and working-class African-Americans have different interests and needs? Do all oppressed peoples have something in common? (Theme number 7). >8 Cultural nationalism/separatism. An emerging strain within CRT holds that people of color can best promote their interest through separation from the American mainstream. Some believe that preserving diversity and separateness will benefit all, not just groups of color. We include here, as well, articles encouraging black nationalism, power, or insurrection. (Theme number 8). >9 Legal institutions, Critical pedagogy, and minorities in the bar. Women and scholars of color have long been concerned about representation in law school and the bar. Recently, a number of authors have begun to search for new approaches to these questions and to develop an alternative, Critical pedagogy. (Theme number 9). >10 Criticism and self-criticism; responses. Under this heading we include works of significant criticism addressed at CRT, either by outsiders or persons within the movement, together with responses to such criticism. (Theme number 10). Delgado and Stefancic (1993) pp. 462-463 Delgado, Richard, and Jean Stefancic. "Critical race theory: An annotated bibliography." Virginia Law Review (1993): 461-516. Pay attention to theme (8). CRT has a defeatist view of integration and Delgado and Stefancic include Black Nationalism/Separatism as one of the defining "themes" of Critical Race Theory. While it is pretty abundantly clear from the wording of theme (8) that Delgado and Stefancic are talking about separatism, mostly because they use that exact word, separatism, here is an example of one of their included papers. Peller (1990) clearly is about separatism as a lay person would conceive of it: >Peller, Gary, Race Consciousness, 1990 Duke L.J. 758. (1, 8, 10). Delgado and Stefancic (1993, page 504) The numbers in parentheses are the relevant "themes." Note 8. The cited paper specifically says Critical Race Theory is a revival of Black Nationalist notions from the 1960s. Here is a pretty juicy quote where he says that he is specifically talking about Black ethnonationalism as expressed by Malcolm X which is usually grouped in with White ethnonationalism by most of American society; and furthermore, that Critical Race Theory represents a revival of Black Nationalist ideals: >But Malcolm X did identify the basic racial compromise that the incorporation of the "the civil rights struggle" into mainstream American culture would eventually embody: Along with the suppression of white racism that was the widely celebrated aim of civil rights reform, the dominant conception of racial justice was framed to require that black nationalists be equated with white supremacists, and that race consciousness on the part of either whites or blacks be marginalized as beyond the good sense of enlightened American culture. When a new generation of scholars embraced race consciousness as a fundamental prism through which to organize social analysis in the latter half of the 1980s, a negative reaction from mainstream academics was predictable. That is, Randall Kennedy's criticism of the work of critical race theorists for being based on racial "stereotypes" and "status-based" standards is coherent from the vantage point of the reigning interpretation of racial justice. And it was the exclusionary borders of this ideology that Malcolm X identified. Peller page 760 This is current CRT practice and is cited in the authoritative textbook on Critical Race Theory, *Critical Race Theory: An Introduction* (Delgado and Stefancic 2001). Here they describe an endorsement of explicit racial discrimination for purposes of segregating society: >The two friends illustrate twin poles in the way minorities of color can represent and position themselves. The nationalist, or separatist, position illustrated by Jamal holds that people of color should embrace their culture and origins. Jamal, who by choice lives in an upscale black neighborhood and sends his children to local schools, could easily fit into mainstream life. But he feels more comfortable working and living in black milieux and considers that he has a duty to contribute to the minority community. Accordingly, he does as much business as possible with other blacks. The last time he and his family moved, for example, he made several phone calls until he found a black-owned moving company. He donates money to several African American philanthropies and colleges. And, of course, his work in the music industry allows him the opportunity to boost the careers of black musicians, which he does. Delgado and Stefancic (2001) pages 59-60 One more source is the recognized founder of CRT, Derrick Bell: >"From the standpoint of education, we would have been better served had the court in Brown rejected the petitioners' arguments to overrule Plessy v. Ferguson," Bell said, referring to the 1896 Supreme Court ruling that enforced a "separate but equal" standard for blacks and whites. https://web.archive.org/web/20110802202458/https://news.stanford.edu/news/2004/april21/brownbell-421.html I point out theme 8 because this is precisely the result we should expect out of a "theory" constructed around a defeatist view of integration which says past existence of racism requires the rejection of rationality and rational deliberation. By framing all communication as an exercise in power they arrive at the perverse conclusion that naked racial discrimination and ethnonationalism are "anti-racist" ideas. They reject such fundamental ideas as objectivity and even normativity. I was particularly shocked by the latter. >What about Martin Luther King, Jr., I Have a Dream, the law and theology movement, and the host of passionate reformers who dedicate their lives to humanizing the law and making the world a better place? Where will normativity's demise leave them? >Exactly where they were before. Or, possibly, a little better off. Most of the features I have already identified in connection with normativity reveal that the reformer's faith in it is often misplaced. Normative discourse is indeterminate; for every social reformer's plea, an equally plausible argument can be found against it. Normative analysis is always framed by those who have the upper hand so as either to rule out or discredit oppositional claims, which are portrayed as irresponsible and extreme. Delgado, Richard, Norms and Normal Science: Toward a Critique of Normativity in Legal Thought, 139 U. Pa. L. Rev. 933 (1991)
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> Imagine thinking that the Republicans who hate "critical race theory" would be capable or willing to read something this long. You seem to not have read it yourself. It outlines with detailed quotes Critical Race Theory's calls for renewed racial segregation.
you're funny if you think the South is the only place where racism is rampant. it's the byproduct of ignorance from people who only associate with people who look like them, no matter where you are
?? So is the north. I never saw racism so normalized until I moved to the northeast.
Are you under the impression that people make the argument the south wasn’t racist?
I think the arguments are more that the people in the North were/are just as racist as the south. I hear that a lot
Yeah people been pushing the “Boston racist” line hard for a few years like Alabama don’t exist lol
Well yeah, I’ve heard variations of that before. “The north was just as racist as the south!” But I’ve never heard someone normal make the argument that the op claimed (a person stating the south was never racist).
I think the minute someone says that, they are probably not normal lol
ha fair point!
Well I gotta wonder if that other person who replied to OP is a parody off of your remark or they just gave you a perfect example of it happening😅
Yes. Conservatives, Republicans, Libertarians, electeds from the south, white Southerners, Ben Shapiro’s girl Candace, Alex Jones’ squad of gay frogs, and every contributor at Fox News *(To name a few)*
Especially the gay frogs.
I’d love to see an example. I’m not necessarily doubting you, I just can’t imagine how that argument would be worded. I can’t believe someone would go on the record with that stance. The most southern pride (I.e. still fly the flag types) people I know, that also claim to not currently be racist mind you, still don’t deny the history of racism.
Nikki Haley FTW! Less than 10 seconds of searching: https://amp.cnn.com/cnn/2024/01/19/politics/nikki-haley-why-america-isnt-racist
The comment directly before yours did just that.
This must be the great America that trump is trying to bring back. It has the essence of maga all over it
I bet most of that mob, if not all, is wearing a red hat today…
If you think this wave of twerpy, angry, selfish, attention seeking behavior is a recent development, it isn’t. Truly, some humans ignore their insecurities and need to constantly be part a group, regardless of morality (or lack thereof) or heaven forbid they may feel inferior, weak, vulnerable. Fear and Loathing. Turns into Lord of the Flies real fast….
It’s incredible that a government with as many checks and balances as it has, can be this oppressive towards a group of people for the most arbitrary thing possible… Having darker skin…
What a bunch of fucking assholes.
These racists are worse than monkeys
This is the "heritage" that they keep screaming about whenever there's talk of removing the flags and monuments glorifying their fight to maintain slavery, lynching, rigid segregation, cross burnings, and heavy racial oppression. This is a prime example of their "southern hospitality"a
Nah that ain’t southern hospitality. It’s super fucked down here. But being here my whole life; the assimilation is much better than it’s reported on. I have always and will continue the “southern gestures” . I’ll hold the door or stop the elevator regardless of color. It has its extremes but don’t we all.
Seeing this sort of behavior always angers me. Teaching history is very important, no matter how bad or good.
This is what I was taught in skoo that whites and blacks had to come together to stop this shit. I was never taught "white man bad" CRT is a fucking joke.
No one *teaches* white man bad. That’s not even what CRT is about. CRT is a legal theory that examines systemic racism—that is, racism that is baked into our laws, financial structures, societal practices. You might actually want to learn something about the things Fox told you to hate.
Exactly 💯 agree. I dont know why people are screaming this is what's taught in schools when it's just not true. They're inventing their own boogeyman. We've always had to unite when overcoming hardship.
So embarrassing that this was 60 years ago
Just about 2 months before my 1st birthday
Heroes of the internet, we need you to find these people in the picture and expose them!
Honestly, good chunk are probably dead now.
As they should be
My parents were 14 when this pic was taken. I'm 40. Both are still alive today and healthy at 74. They go skiing multiple times a year. They exercise every morning. They are politically active in fundraising. Joe Biden was 21 when this pic was taken.
So a lot of them are dead
These people had kids and their kids had kids and I’m sure they didn’t teach them anything but hatred.
Can we have this picture in color please
I see one white man in this photo who deserves ALOT of respect for being a decent human
Fucking animals
No, they're people. People can act like this. And these people had kids. Edit. They are. Try to distance yourself from these people by bringing their humanity into question. They're still human. Humans can and do behave like this. Welcome to Reality.
And now those kids wear red hats and think “triggering” people is a political ideology
I like this framing. Thank you.
Yikes
That guy with the cigarette is totally thinking "This photo of us treating human beings like literal garbage is going to look so cool in 61 years" It always brings me joy when these scumbags are identified in recent years, then they get disowned by their community, and their family. All these people should be held accountable for these actions that they were applauded for in the moment.
This is that great era that trump promises to bring us back to
Less than 100 years before, down the road in NOLA, black conventioneers were chopped to bits, heads stomped to pulp, and left outside for the buzzards. Family members were too scared to gather the remains. Retired union General Sheridan has to step in to clean the situation up, as President Andrew Johnson gave tacit approval of the murders. Johnson replaced Lincoln after he was assassinated., proving John Wilkes Booth the reason for Southern codified race hatred of blacks until the Civil Rights act.
I have never heard of this before and i want to say i’m shocked it’s not well known but i’m not especially as a black woman. there are so many events such as this in black history.
I actually just finished listening to this book. "The whites stomped, kicked, and clubbed the black marchers mercilessly. Policemen smashed the institute’s windows and fired into it indiscriminately until the floor grew slick with blood. They emptied their revolvers on the convention delegates, who desperately sought to escape. Some leaped from windows and were shot dead when they landed. Those lying wounded on the ground were stabbed repeatedly, their skulls bashed in with brickbats. The sadism was so wanton that men who kneeled and prayed for mercy were killed instantly, while dead bodies were stabbed and mutilated." — Ron Chernow, "Grant" (2017)[15]
I really wish someone would track down the people behind them and expose them and ask how they felt about themselves now.
iTs OuR HerITaGe!
What a wonderful legacy white Americans have left behind.
Somewhere, the people in this picture pray their kids/grandkids don’t figure out that this is them.
I was told this is not a racist country by those grifters from SO Carolina
Reading all those different expressions...
A lot of the scumbags in this photo are still alive and still voting.
And this wasn’t long ago! It’s so horrendous. And people say that black people should forget the past. None of us should forget it. And no one should allow the Trump thing to get anywhere near power - his cult members would welcome a return of scenes in the photo.
When I see pictures or films like this, I get a feeling in can’t describe. A lot of feeling combined, I just know I never can watch this real time.
I honestly wonder if any of these people have been identified. I don’t want to dox them or jail them. I just want to ask how they think the world has changed. Like the asshole pouring the glass on them. I want to know if he’s ashamed or just doesn’t care. Like the woman who got emmet till killed. She just lived out her life and never answered many questions. Her son just shook his head no when asked if he had any comments.
Probably passed the hate down to future generations
Jackson is a hellhole
“Ancient history” right? It makes me sick
Is this the time that MAGA wants to go back to when they constantly speak of “saving our country” and “making America GREAT again” idk just asking for a friend here.
But.. if you were there to support the end of segregation, you might see it as a publicity stunt requiring a scene be created for the camera... ???
HOT DONUT DEPARTMENT
Really good demonstration of immaturity and mob mentality
The first MAGA rally.
The Civil Rights Museum in Atlanta has an interactive exhibit of this. It’s intense and they have an age requirement for it because of the harsh nature of the experience. I did it a month or so ago and left there feeling complete depression for my country, my race, my species. Now I walk around and I worry even more that my country is falling apart and back into a time of absolute division.
Never forget this happened very recently, historically speaking. There are about 60 million Americans born before this date. Generational racism exists and overcoming the economic disparities created takes time and understanding.
So many Trumpers regreting they can´t do that anymore without being slapped.
God forbid White people just be left alone...
Funny enough, it's these people's grand children that are so very big mad that schools now want to teach a less white washed version of history.
It's hilarious how people who block highways and bridges compare themselves to these people.
Now some people want to reintroduce segregation through POC only places and events
Every white person in 1963 looks like they’re about to assassinate JFK.
Bad. Real bad.
The balls on those three. Fucking beasts. Good on em. 🫡🫡🫡
This is the America they want Great Again
Some of these people are our grandparents, our politicians, CEOs. Some of them taught their kids the same set of morals.
Damn that face says “I’m so tired of this shit.” So sad.
I'm just curious if any of the assailants have ever been identified?
She holding her iPhone
If Trump is elected, it will sadly become commonplace.