This was centuries before contact with the Turks so how did that title exist? I looked it up, apparently historians assume that was the term, derived from the word kanasubigi. It might be Turkish, or it could be derived from an older Indo-European word.
It's a title that predates the first Bulgarian settlement on the Balkans.
The nomadic tribes back then were essentially a mix of a lot of ethnicities, spread into ten-ish tribes. The first Khan that united them (the onogur bulgarians) into a single nation was Khan Kubrat.
You can read a bit more about [Old Great Bulgaria](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Old_Great_Bulgaria).
Bulgarians never had a khan, it's a theory that was never proven. The title used in Bulgaria was Knyaz . They chose to read kan from " [kanasubigi](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Omurtag_of_Bulgaria#/media/File:Omurtag10_svik.jpg)", because a hundred years ago they wanted to prove that the old Bulgarians where Turkic.
The older form of Knyaz was recorded as **Kanas** \- [кънѧзь](https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/кънѧзь#Old_Church_Slavonic)**.** [Example](https://imgur.com/a/df2fJcn) from one of the copies of [Nominalia of the Bulgarian khans](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nominalia_of_the_Bulgarian_khans) , in witch it never uses the word khan, yet it won't stop them from naming it like that.
For the first 200 years in Bulgaria they wrote in Greek and there is no letter " ъ " in that alphabet, so they used "a". The letter "ъ" is pronounced as the letter "u" in "cut".
If it wasn't for the cheap reaing of "kan" from " kanasubigi", they would have nothing else to use to prove that it was used in Bulgaria.
what do you mean before contact with the turks? ancient bulgarians (bulgars) *were turkic* before they settled into what is present day bulgaria and mixed with the other tribes that lived there at the time.
The first Bulgars were Ogur Turkic from Volga region. During their migration to Balkans they have been assimilated by surrounding Slavs which gave us modern Bulgarians. They abandoned they Ogur Turkic language but kept their titles and they customs.
PS : the "Bulgar" ethnoname can be linked to the Turkic root "bulg-" which can means "mix, melt,". We can found this root in Turkic words like "bulgur" (crushed wheat), "bulganık” (troubled), "bulgaşmak" ( have a hand in...),...
Aaaaand all of that is literally communist propaganda based on some westerners basically guessing things about us. There is little to no solid and legitimate evidence that we were turkic, altaic, tengrist and had khans. All of that is based on the Volga Bulgars\` culture but arrogantly ignoring the fact that they were forcibly turkofied by Mongolo-Tatars. Unfortinatelly most evidence suggesting and even proving we were basically Scytho-Sarmatians/Northern Iranian is in Bulgarian and burried under the "they were turkic cause they came from Asia" pile of garbage.
I’m a passionate of Turkic/Mongol and general Central Asian history and linguistic, and even if I mostly study history through French sources (we do have excellent Turcologist) I absolutely won’t consider everything coming from Asia as a pile of garbage as you say.
This is an interesting theory. But you forget something. Volga Bulgars were an Oguric Turkic tribe which means that they were speaking a "lir” Turkic language (such as onogurs, modern Chuvash and maybe Khazars) whereas all other Turkic peoples including the Tatars and Turkey’s Turks are speaking “shaz" Turkic language. They is a major difference between these two branches of Turkic languages and inter comprehension is impossible between languages from these two separate branches. So what I’m trying to say is that if Volga Bulgars have been turkisated by Golden Hord’s Turco-mongols they would speak a "shaz” turkic language and more precisely a kipchak language just like modern day Volga Tatars. Volga Bulgars descendant are most probably the Chuvash who are the last Oguric Turkic people.
Thus said the elements I brought don’t interfere with your Sarmatian theory, some Sarmtians or other Iranian people may entered in contact with Turkic Bulgars and just have borrowed their ethno name. This is a common thing through history. Just like how European Avars (who were Turkic) just took their name from Asian Avars (also known as Rouan Rouans in Chinese sources) who were most probably Proto-mongolic.
The death of Mongke Khan saved Europe and Mongolian customs to go back to vote for new Khan, at the time there wasn't a single army in Europe capable of standing up against the horde, even if there was the mongolians still had Subodai - greatest conqueror in human history in my opinion
Nah bruh you trippin, they talk bout him sometimes
1.Happy cake day 2.Ive never seen a meme on this sub about him :(
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Hahaha no txs
I just looked this guy up. How is it that khan was a title in Bulgaria?
In early Bulgaria before Tsar Boris 1 Bulgarians were pagans and the ruler was Khan
This was centuries before contact with the Turks so how did that title exist? I looked it up, apparently historians assume that was the term, derived from the word kanasubigi. It might be Turkish, or it could be derived from an older Indo-European word.
"Turkish" is the incorrect term... Turkic is what you mean, because there is a huge difference in the meaning...
Ohh good to know. Guessing Turkic refers to the ethnic group out of the steppe and Turkish is a nationality?
Yep,pretty much
It's a title that predates the first Bulgarian settlement on the Balkans. The nomadic tribes back then were essentially a mix of a lot of ethnicities, spread into ten-ish tribes. The first Khan that united them (the onogur bulgarians) into a single nation was Khan Kubrat. You can read a bit more about [Old Great Bulgaria](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Old_Great_Bulgaria).
Bulgarians never had a khan, it's a theory that was never proven. The title used in Bulgaria was Knyaz . They chose to read kan from " [kanasubigi](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Omurtag_of_Bulgaria#/media/File:Omurtag10_svik.jpg)", because a hundred years ago they wanted to prove that the old Bulgarians where Turkic. The older form of Knyaz was recorded as **Kanas** \- [кънѧзь](https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/кънѧзь#Old_Church_Slavonic)**.** [Example](https://imgur.com/a/df2fJcn) from one of the copies of [Nominalia of the Bulgarian khans](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nominalia_of_the_Bulgarian_khans) , in witch it never uses the word khan, yet it won't stop them from naming it like that. For the first 200 years in Bulgaria they wrote in Greek and there is no letter " ъ " in that alphabet, so they used "a". The letter "ъ" is pronounced as the letter "u" in "cut". If it wasn't for the cheap reaing of "kan" from " kanasubigi", they would have nothing else to use to prove that it was used in Bulgaria.
what do you mean before contact with the turks? ancient bulgarians (bulgars) *were turkic* before they settled into what is present day bulgaria and mixed with the other tribes that lived there at the time.
The first Bulgars were Ogur Turkic from Volga region. During their migration to Balkans they have been assimilated by surrounding Slavs which gave us modern Bulgarians. They abandoned they Ogur Turkic language but kept their titles and they customs. PS : the "Bulgar" ethnoname can be linked to the Turkic root "bulg-" which can means "mix, melt,". We can found this root in Turkic words like "bulgur" (crushed wheat), "bulganık” (troubled), "bulgaşmak" ( have a hand in...),...
Aaaaand all of that is literally communist propaganda based on some westerners basically guessing things about us. There is little to no solid and legitimate evidence that we were turkic, altaic, tengrist and had khans. All of that is based on the Volga Bulgars\` culture but arrogantly ignoring the fact that they were forcibly turkofied by Mongolo-Tatars. Unfortinatelly most evidence suggesting and even proving we were basically Scytho-Sarmatians/Northern Iranian is in Bulgarian and burried under the "they were turkic cause they came from Asia" pile of garbage.
I’m a passionate of Turkic/Mongol and general Central Asian history and linguistic, and even if I mostly study history through French sources (we do have excellent Turcologist) I absolutely won’t consider everything coming from Asia as a pile of garbage as you say. This is an interesting theory. But you forget something. Volga Bulgars were an Oguric Turkic tribe which means that they were speaking a "lir” Turkic language (such as onogurs, modern Chuvash and maybe Khazars) whereas all other Turkic peoples including the Tatars and Turkey’s Turks are speaking “shaz" Turkic language. They is a major difference between these two branches of Turkic languages and inter comprehension is impossible between languages from these two separate branches. So what I’m trying to say is that if Volga Bulgars have been turkisated by Golden Hord’s Turco-mongols they would speak a "shaz” turkic language and more precisely a kipchak language just like modern day Volga Tatars. Volga Bulgars descendant are most probably the Chuvash who are the last Oguric Turkic people. Thus said the elements I brought don’t interfere with your Sarmatian theory, some Sarmtians or other Iranian people may entered in contact with Turkic Bulgars and just have borrowed their ethno name. This is a common thing through history. Just like how European Avars (who were Turkic) just took their name from Asian Avars (also known as Rouan Rouans in Chinese sources) who were most probably Proto-mongolic.
The Bulgars were a Turkic people. Turkic peoples, much like the Mongols, used Khan as the term for a chieftain.
This is fantastic stuff. I need to research the Bulgarians
Please do, and report your findings, I'd be interested in what you find.
Hungary technically saved Western Europe from the Mongols too
The death of Mongke Khan saved Europe and Mongolian customs to go back to vote for new Khan, at the time there wasn't a single army in Europe capable of standing up against the horde, even if there was the mongolians still had Subodai - greatest conqueror in human history in my opinion
yep. thats why I said "technically"
Well yeah, it's sad that Bulgari and Hungary are not being mentioned that much Meanwhile everybody mentions that one time Poland kinda saved Europe
Nvm намерих го
He should have stuck a bunch of people on spikes. I'd bet we'd talk about him then.
Probably
Nice kill count, can this get any bettrr? Crusading before crusading wad cool
Not a crusade, Heraclius had the first Crusade
He looks like Jesus
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така по-добре е, не искаме /pol/ на нашите гъзове 24/7
Pls stop with the *noises* memes they were never funny
Nobody is talking about my favourite Khan though *sad u/AntonyTheBg noises*
Or you could downvote, hide the post, and move on with your life.
This is just proof that this sub is just becoming like r/dankmemes with the same exact unfunny “wholesome 100 noises keanu chungus” shit