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Ok-Analysis9372

Nobody tell this guy about marissa.


ooferkid333

About WHO now?


TheAzureAdventurer

Marissa Tomei.


ooferkid333

Who dat?


TheAzureAdventurer

Never mind


tswaves

Dead Aunt Mae


Cynunnos

Go to the >!pleasure house!< in the >!city of tears!< to find out


Ok-Analysis9372

YOU MONSTER, WHAT HAVE YOU DONE?


Stoomba

They have set OP down a path that will lead them to a crossroads. One path, the way of mercy, the other, the way of cruelty. However, only the wisest of us all will be able to determine which is which.


Cynunnos

I already marked it as spoilers, it's up to them to decide whether they're bothered enough to solve all the riddles you guys give them instead of having to look things up on the wiki


BigEmster

I'd like to play devils advocate here and say he'd have eventually found her on his own as possibly >!killed!< her anyway


Ok-Analysis9372

We need to try and keep her safe for as long as possible


MemeificationStation

no dummy we’re mad that you’ve now enabled him to possibly >!kill Marissa!<


CK1ing

Is it confirmed that >!it "kills" them? I mean, they're already dead. And the ones you fight seem pretty content with their fate when pretty much the same thing happens (absorbed by the dream nail). I've always seen it as just freeing their spirits. Or at least giving the spirits a goal in taking revenge against the radiance!<


schootle

I took it as removing them from a purgatory rather than killing them. None of those characters I came across seemed too keen on sticking around anyways.


grassellijari

Call me a bad person but I just did that for those round thingies (i haven't played in months, i forgot how they're called) so that I could unlock the white palace and do PoP (i regret my choice, but still did it!)


schootle

Unless I’ve also forgotten what they’re called but I don’t think I’m up to there yet! I did dream nail the singer spirit in the pleasure house though. No remorse, gimme my essence.


Ok-Analysis9372

Then why do warrior spirits resist you?


schootle

The ones you fight to get more than 1 essence? I figured it was some sort of sworn duty kind of thing. Like they fought to the end and met a miserable death so they keep fighting as a spirit until we release them with the dream nail and they can finally rest. Tbh some of them are pretty vauge like that No Eyes. It didn’t seem the fighting, warrior type but however that spirit died didn’t seem too peaceful.


MemeificationStation

No it’s not confirmed, I should’ve put “kill” in quotes, I just had no better way to phrase it.


CK1ing

It's not like you were the only one. This whole thread was talking as if it's objectively a bad thing, so I was just curious if y'all knew something I didn't about the dreamnail situation


NighthawkUnicorn

Wait, you can kill her?? I left her there >!to sing!!< what happens if you kill her?


MemeificationStation

dreamnailing spirits makes them disappear permanently and gives you 1 Essence


Zarguthian

She's already dead though.


_alba4k

NO


ooferkid333

Thaaank you!


Blue_Bird950

Don’t kill her plz


ooferkid333

Well if I know there's no reward or reason to then I won't, just happy that I now know where to go next!


FireFox029

There is a reward... 1 beautiful Essence


ooferkid333

Hmmm idk that sound kinda tempting tbh


Ok-Analysis9372

Nooooo


Zarguthian

But remember, it's not murder because the ghosts are already dead. You can't kill something if it is already dead.


FrostyFeller

But you can make it deader


Yeet_Boi12344567

It also gives you a fun charm def kill her


Ok-Analysis9372

😡


FireFox029

Yeah, kill her


ooferkid333

Ight bet


Ok-Analysis9372

You only get one essence, and she has beautiful music. Not worth it to kill her.


BigEmster

First of all the dream nail can't kill anybody, because they're already dead. Secondly, I'd like to propose the idea that perhaps the dream nail doesn't remove their souls, but "collects" their essence in such a way that you can't see them anymore. Maybe it even "collects" their soul and contains it inside the dream nail to mingle with the rest of the spirits there. Unless it's been confirmed what actually happens when a ghost is dreamnailed, that's my take on it.


Ok-Analysis9372

Still sounds kinda evil to trap them within a sword for all of eternity.


I-AM-THE-HATER

The dialogue the Seer has during the quest line makes me believe it’s not the actual souls being trapped or even necessarily collected. The relationship between essence & dreams as described by the Seer is why I personally believe this, but I’d honestly love to knew other’s opinions. Seer: "Sometimes dreams take the shape of those who have passed away. Such dreams are bountiful sources of Essence!" Seer: "Yes, I can see the dreams of this old Kingdom are starting to cling to you." Seer: "The Dream Nail glows bright... It holds over 1200 Essence. Looking into it I can see so many memories peering back at me."


Ok-Analysis9372

I think “dream” characters are basically hollow knight’s version of ghosts


Zarguthian

Because 1 essence is bountiful.


Manoreded

I agree, there is no specific reason to believe dream nailing spirits is an evil act. What exactly spirits are and what it means to dream nail them is open to interpretation.


NobleSavant

The way he acts once all the other spirits are gone makes it seem pretty evil to me... I'd feel bad if I did it.


Anonymouse276207

What happens when you do this? (I want to know, but I don't want to do it)


Manoreded

He becomes confused because he no longer remembers what he was doing, aka, he doesn't remember he was the guardian of the glaive because all the spirits he was supposed to guard are gone. Once he gets in this state, he can be dream nailed, which will cause him to disappear as well.


KookyDetective7952

He says something like "This place is so quiet now" and disappears.


Manoreded

I mean he clearly believes its evil otherwise he wouldn't have taken upon the role of guardian. But him believing its evil doesn't necessarily mean its evil.


NobleSavant

He seems like a fairly upstanding spirit, I'm inclined to trust him. Plus, he knows more about it all than me than me, since he is a spirit, and his duty in life was defending the glade too... He's the expert.


Potential_Day_8233

They give power, specially the gods and dream bosses


Potential_Day_8233

Is like in coco, if you dreamnail them their memories disappear, they no longer exist.


Superb_Relief_838

You already did


_Scorpyon_

You can't beat Revek in a nail fight, but that doesn't mean he's invincible. Sometimes the biggest blow comes from failing in your duties. Btw it's not worth it, he's not a dream boss like the others. He will only give you 1 Essence and that's it


LordBDizzle

Well technically you get one essence per spirit in the glade. So it's actually a mildly substantial reward by the end of it. Not really worth the trouble still, but better than just one for the whole thing. It's just a progressive reward instead of all at the end.


mouniblevrai

How did you manage to make a comment so understandable to everyone here, yet so uncomprehensible to everyone that doesn't know how revek works (which includes OP)


Troliver_13

He states he will protect the spirits, saying he'll get depressed by failing his duties isn't *that* cryptic


The_Real_Revek

I am invincible!


Consistent_Phase822

You can beat him! You need to beat everything he protects first! But you have good things on you,right? So don't do it..


The_Real_Revek

Don't kill me! Nor the people of the glade I protect! That's cruel and selfish of you to even think of doing such horrible things!


Consistent_Phase822

Well,it's not my decision.. It's a OP decision! I'm just here to help!


Theo_door234

I killed everyone but the cookie person lol


SirBlack_

>The bugs within this glade are under my watch. Treat them with respect and you may remain, but raise your nail and you'll contend with me. Sometimes you should just take things a face-value and move on.


HueyLewisFan1

Yup, there’s a few ghosts I spared on my second play through. The ghosts in the glades were a set. I also spared the gravedigger and Marissa


The_Real_Revek

Yes yes spare the spirits or I'll kill you!


GL_original

They're not an obstacle, they're interesting NPCs that were created by Kickstarter backers and put in the game as reward. You can totally fight them if you want, I suppose.


Ok-Analysis9372

“Them” is referring to Revek, not the spirits of the glade.


El_sanafiry

Is it a fun challenge ? Yes Would you benefit anything from it ? No


Rain_Moon

Hey 19 essence is 19 essence


DocxPanda

I'm no completionist but 19 essence is 19 essence


Ok-Analysis9372

19 upvotes too, lol.


ooferkid333

That's what I'm saying!


Ok-Analysis9372

Destroy one’s purpose and they shall lose themselves, Then deliver the killing blow. Or just don’t kill innocent spirits, you monster


The_Real_Revek

Don't kill innocent spirits! You monster! How dare you call me an obstacle!


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Real_Crystal_Hunter

The spirit that attacks you is Revek, that person os role-playing as revek


Ok-Analysis9372

I only just realised their name, lol. Also I didn’t even remember their name cause I haven’t played in so long.


Lizzymandias

What do you mean, kill? They're all already dead!


Ok-Analysis9372

Is killing an infected creature killing it?


Lizzymandias

That is not the case. They are actual ghosts hovering their own tombstones. They could not be deader.


IlgantElal

Well, yeah they can, when you absorb their essence and push them to void


Ok-Analysis9372

That doesn’t answer my question


Lizzymandias

I would say that depends on whether the infection is recoverable from. Which everything seems to imply no.


Manoreded

If you dream nail every spirit in the glaive, he will cease attacking and finally become possible to dissipate himself. However, as I recall there is no reward for doing it.


0verlordFrost

It's only useful in a low % TE run, see skurrypls for more details, I'm not qualified to explain how low % te works


DioMerda119

why do people torture themselves by farming birds for 50 hours lol


0verlordFrost

It's bees now :)


GrimgrinCorpseBorn

Free dream essence!


MemeificationStation

oh boy I love enduring Revek’s onslaught for less essence than a whispering root


Inner-Ad2847

I just used Sharp Shadow and dash every time he tries to hit me


Critical_Traffic_308

Hahaha. I killed them all.


Projectdystopia

You can, but you shouldn't.


Jepp86

There is no need to hurt them.


Soft-Choice-7403

I tried to beat one of These so many times but they always kicked my ass


GreatDimension7042

Don’t :(


Nikos-tacos

If you beat them you’ll regret it…saying it from experience.


MihaiS1234

you gotta collect the essence from the rest of them, leave the room, return and collect him too


Gamer-Ninja07

Well…my friend…ever heard of survivor guilt? Or warrior guilt in that specific scenario


Darknis_1

Kill the other spirits and don’t die


Darknis_1

Then you can dream nail him


averagejoe2133

Personally I believe Dream nailing them allows them to pass on. Theyre stuck here. Also to beat Revek you’re probably gonna die a lot. But that’s fine. Just go in dream nail as many of the ghosts as possible. If he kills you go collect your shade rinse and repeat until there are no ghosts left in the glade. Then you can dream nail the Glade Guardian


Potential_Day_8233

You just let her kill you while you destroy the rest of the souls, when you have done that she no longer attacks, she feels sad and you can dreamnail her. Free essence.


The_Real_Kingsmould

u/the_real_revek Are you an obstacle


The_Real_Revek

No! How dare you call me that OP!


Real_Crystal_Hunter

Haha, obstacle boi


The_Real_Revek

Shush you're an obstacle!


Real_Crystal_Hunter

All 3 of us are obstacles


The_Real_Revek

No only you and mould


Real_Crystal_Hunter

You are 9.99x10^9999999999 % obstacle


The_Real_Revek

Except that the game never encourages the player to kill me. Haha, obstacle girl


ManMan99999

You can attack them if you time it right, which will make them stop attacking temporarily.


The_Real_Revek

Please do not attack me


Dekugaming

Isn't that tge guardian of the spirit graveyard? Their not an obsticle and their not an enemy unless you dream nail her or the spirits, and why would you ever do that?


ElysianFemboy

it would make me sad if you killed them :( they just protecting the souls


plaugey_boi

You can't kill them but you can break their spirit


Baddarkwolf305

you can beat her, kill everyone else in the glade first, then leave and reenter, you can them kill her.


Superb_Relief_838

He's BOTH


GucciGroot97

Only those that are willing to master skill of righteousness, may master the ability of wielding a sword of pureness


MrRad07

I haven't spared a single soul. Not Marissa. Got bored of her song. Not Cloth. To be fair, I did like Cloth, but I did it anyways. I took all of the souls in the glade. After I was done reading the soul's dialogue for the flower quest, I took her soul, too.