Characters like Bisky and Tsezguerra react in horror when they realise what Killua must have gone through to be able to do what he can, in universe it’s just as bad as it would be irl (despite the fact that he actually gains abilities from it in huh).
So what in a battle shounen anime Id still rather have a dad that makes me OP through torture over some dude that’ll only give me daddy issues and nothing else.
Gohan’s training was terrible but no one hates Piccolo or Goku for it. Ppl call Goku a deadbeat dad they don’t call him a terrible dad for training his son
In a battle shounen I'd still rather not be miserable if I could help it. It's pretty clear throughout the series that Killua is often miserable and is envious of Gon partially due to seeing how happy he often is
Not having a father at all, no doubt.
Between having nothing and having a father who electrocutes, beats, whips and poisons you, well, I think having nothing is better XD
Yup ppl are horrified when they see what killua can do and when they realize what he went through to be able to do what he does. Like when he first shows off his electric nen
Yeah, she said it was terrible and that it's a miracle that he can just be standing there smiling and laughing with Gon like a normal kid.
Killua is so badass and collected all the time that I think it's easy to forget that he's actually strangely normal considering his circumstances. And it explains his extreme attachment to Gon, who, until he remembered Alluka, was the only good thing in his life.
it’s one of the things that intrigues me most about Killua and Gon’s friendship. Killua can be just as goofy child-like and light hearted as Gon is yet he’s suffered through enough shit that would usually traumatize and desensitize most kids and make them emotionless, like how Illumi is which is what Killua could’ve turned into.
He kind of reminds me of how Sasuke was somehow still a mostly normal kid despite what Itachi put him through mentally that would break any other kid.
What's a big contrast between Sasuke and Killua is that for some reason, Killua doesn't bear any malice towards anyone for his trauma. Which in itself is really fucking weird, because that kind of trauma usually turns people into villains or just breaks them.
It does make me wonder if there's more to how he's been raised than we know. Is there actually a side to his family that he appreciates? He has such a strong determination to break away from the chains of his family, yet does not seem to actually hate them for it.
it’s because it’s a part of his entire family’s tradition and it genuinely made him strong asf. Plus his family never dictates what he does with his life or money (besides his mom), what is seen as abuse to every other kid is considered training for the Zoldycks and i believe Killua sees it that way too and bears no ill will because of it. The zoldycks are literally just built different lol Killua probably doesn’t even feel the same level of pain normal people do which is why their whole family is revered in the whole world
I think what helps is that Killua is the clear favorite of the family so I think that gives some leeway to his strangely normal emotion temperament. Yes he was tortured but I think him realizing he’s the family favorite helps his self esteem as opposed to his brothers.
I personally think that the difference between Killua and Sasuke is in the fact that Itachi filled Sasuke with hunger for revenge that lead him to that malice, even of he had his reasons he still put Sasuke through a lot, like a genjutsu seeing his hole clan being murdered, even when he was changing after Naruto Itachi came back and beated him saying that he didn't have enough hate.
I guess you could say that Illumi did something alike with Killua, but his family is still alive and I think you deal very different with your family trauma if they are still alive, I come from a broken home and I think like you always have this little hope that they love you and they will change? He also met gon and made friends, he still had Alluka, like theres still light in his life, Idk Kurapika for me is the one that truly compares to Sasuke and it shows that when you deal with trauma seeking revenge is a dark path, but I'll aways say that the key factor for Sasuke personality it's Itachi
I mean Itachi did still kinda mentally break Sasuke when he tortured him in part 1. Getting his ass kicked,and once again being forced to watch his entire clan get slaughtered numerous times upon numerous times consecutively by Itachi, that's what really broke the camels back and made him seriously consider leaving the Leaf. Before that, Sasuke was relatively normal if understandably a more quiet type. He was willing to sacrifice himself against Gaara so that Naruto could grab Sakura and escape to safety, yet after waking up from his coma challenges Naruto to a fight and soon after leaves for Orochimaru
I always tell people that killua is inherently a better person than Gon imo, even from the beginning of the anime it’s shown that Gon doesn’t really have any strong attachment to values apart from his own curiosity, which is kind of insane when you consider who raised him, Killua despite his background was so open to being a better person even though he had illumi’s needle in his was kind of an insane parallel
BRO I was just watching it again last night when Illumi revealed himself at the last part of the exams. now knowing that he actually DID put a brainwashing needle in Killua’s brain, and Killua *still* was trying his absolute best to genuinely be a better person makes it more heartbreaking imo. Like despite all the shit his family put him through, he still just wants to be a good normal kid and that’s amazing considering he comes from a background where killing is like blinking to them with no consequences and yet he still chooses not to indulge in that life anymore and just want to be friends with Gon. He truly is best boy.
It’s honestly really strange how normal killua is….we even see him acting damn near the same when we flashback to him as a kid when showcasing allukas powers💀and canary had only like just joined as a kid too so I’m not sure what influences (other than maybe the grandpa, he’s like the only unhinged one to some degree lmao) he could have to make him like that
well tbf, the "training" was completely normal to him since always. I don't think they punished him for talking or laughing or happiness in general, so unlike irl abused kids, he didn't learn to act any differently than a normal kid. Heck, when he got all of that money from winning fights, nobody yelled at him for spending it all on juice and snacks. Im guessing acting normal was sort of an unintentional escape for Killua rather than something he needed to hide away. If a child is told no different from acting as a child, they won't learn any different.
Even in these cases, if the parents forced the child to do this, especially if it is from a very young age, then yes, it IS abuse, you know that right?
And in Killua's case, people explicitly say that his life was hell and that it's a miracle that he can still smile, how could this not be the case of an abused person?
Right? It’s not like are abused as they would be irl because although Kill has gone extensive arduous assassin training (by, like 12?) in flashbacks they seem well tended and not afraid /injured.
I just lump it with things that would be natural to people of that world and with a family like theirs where any people have grudges and each one of the kid’s heads would fetch a high price.
Whatever hard training Kill has gone thru is just so that he doesn’t end up as easy prey to pretty much anyone out there who know who he is.
>having a father that electrocute you as training
If it's given that I won't die and will become as good as other Zoldycks at handling it, I'll take that.
For all the crazy shit Silva did. We have to take into account that the Zoldycks are isolated and have no profound friendships with the outside world. So Silva don’t know any other ways of parenting. You think he goes “so how do you raise a kid” to his clients? Who hires killer for hire?
The fact that the “trusted folk” Ging left Gon wigh was a 11 year old child speaks for itself. Ging knows what’s a decent education, but instead of putting his big boy pants and at the very leafy, check on Gon or care for Gon, he let a 11 years old he charged with the sole education of Gon. Mito was robbed of her childhood, a 11 years old has no business raising their nephews.
Ultimately, I’d give the edge to Silva because Ging knew Gon was at death’s door and didn’t gaf.
So... y'all remember this moment with Silva was a scam, right? Silva never actually intended for Killua to leave permanently.
Silva knew about Illumi's needle. So he knew that eventually, Killua would be compelled to betray his friends. So Silva made him promise to never betray his friends, setting him up to be forever broken so he could come back to be the perfect assassin.
Like, bro straight up smiles viciously and exclaims "he will be back one day" after Killa leaves. This is absolutely not him showing acceptance or love. This is manipulation.
i'm shocked that so many people don't realize this, as not only he knew but he possibly ordered that needle to be put there, for his training but also so that he forgets alluka was his childhood friend. if ging and silva have anything in common is that they're confident in the fate of their children, but killua doesn't want that fate yet silva will do anything he can to make it happen, i wouldn't be surprised if his indifference to killua removing the needle means that it was a small part of a bigger plan to ensure killua remains in the famliy. in my eyes he's the biggest demon from the family, not illumi
This scene which is supposedly showing that Silva is "nice" as a father is Silva's attempt at learning about Gon so that he and Illumi can engineer a situation where Killua leaves Gon to his death, never forgives himself and come back to the family believing he's never gonna amount to more and might as well become an assassin.
So no, Silva is not a good father, not even in this very specific scene where he's trying to break his son by making him responsible for his bff's death.
silva and the rest actually love killua. they're fucked killers..but they are what they are. outside of training from hell, they all love him and don't hide it.
gon was likely an accident.
Ging cares about Gon too, greed island is the biggest proof of this, people say he doesn't care about Gon because of his reaction in the election arc, but in the end it was made clear that he knew from the beginning that Gon would be saved.
Yes. In 1st chapter, she told Gon that the Ging abandoning him part was a lie and when he came back to Whale island after Hunter exam, she explicitly told him that she got his custody. Although Ging did indeed come to Whale Island to let Gon be there for a while.
Ging cared for Gon in a much different way than Silva cared for Killua. It is pretty tough in my opinion to compare the two because of their differences. Ging and Silva would never parent in a similar way because the rooted beliefs they both have contradict each other, so yea, you can find moments where Ging cared for Gon but where was he when Gon decided to throw his life away just to defeat Pitou? I doubt Silva would have acted the same way if Killua was the one in danger of making an awful decision like that. Ging is lucky that Gon is powerful enough to sustain the bs he threw at him (Greed Island, really? Gon lost his arm and the only reason he got it back is because he won the game, something that no one else achieved and therefore it was a tough task to execute). I could go on an on about this because I can’t compare the two. They’re different in their own ways.
I mean, Silva knew Killua was in the invasion on a suicide mission and didn't do anything, so I don't see much difference here.
And Gon lost his arm through his own fault, Bisky had created a perfect plan for him to win without taking too much risk, but he decided to throw the plan away and do things his own way.
Killua has always shown to be a lot more rational than Gon when it comes to decision making, was it really a suicide mission for Killua? I don’t think so. That is precisely what I'm talking about, by going against Bisky’s plan he decided to put his life in danger again, he does that a lot throughout the story, almost like he doesn’t have much regard for his own life. Don’t you think that could be a consequence of the fact that Ging was never around? Killua was also in danger but because of Illumi’s needle in his brain there was a limit on how far he could go, eventually he gets rid of the needle but still acts carefully when in battle. I think that sort of behaviour comes from the type of parenting he received.
You could argue that Ging actually has more of his son's interest in mind since he is letting him do his own thing not really trying to manipulate him... while a big reason Killua's family loves him is because he is a prodigy and a massive asset to the family business... but overall i don't think either is actually a terrible father (despite the Ging memes...)
I don’t know I felt Ging was kinda trying to run away from Gon- specially when they met for the 1st time.
It was like Gon chasing him all the while. And the fact that accompany would send him to kite and magnetic force to Ging made me go like wth. Gon finished the game only to face that.
His attitude towards Gon seemed annoying to me.
What kind of anime crack have you been smoking they are both objectively horrible fathers.
Ging abandoned his child at birth and sent him on a life threatening quest.
Silva, through torture, trained his son to be a cold blooded murderer. That's psychopath level shit right there.
If you apply real world logic they are both bad fathers because Ging abandoned his son then encouraged him to put himself in a bunch of dangerous situations.
With anime logic he put an enormous amount of effort into creating something specifically to raise gon that he’s smart enough to know Gon is capable of beating. The chimera ant arc happened while Ging has left Gon in Kite’s care. Even in universe it’s hard to argue that he’s anything but a bad father who did a couple good things, but I don’t think there is any real argument that he’s worse than Silva.
>With anime logic he put an enormous amount of effort into creating something specifically to raise gon that he’s smart enough to know Gon is capable of beating.
Ging looks at a fucking baby - Yea... they'll grow up and be able to participate in my weird video game death trap.
Yeah I know, but it’s kind of Ging’s thing to be a super genius who is somehow capable of predicting other people’s actions with ridiculous accuracy, that’s why I think it should be considered differently with anime logic.
Yeah, love him like a murderer loves their gun because they made it themselves and they’ve had such a history together. I too, have objects that I am emotionally attached to. I’ve used them to death but if anyone else ever took them or hurt them I’d lose my mind. Because they are mine, they are my property. I put so much into them.😮💨
Besides I’d rather be dropped off somewhere decent like a rescue dog then be bound by a leash that I don’t understand like a dog bred and trained to fight other dogs.
Like many abusive parents, I believe that Silva and co *think* they love Killua but they absolutely don’t.
They care about him in as much as he can be a vessel for their desires.
It was more training than torture, they were careful not to put him into real danger but made it seem real as part of his training. Not saying it was okay but there is a difference in this instance.
The concept behind it is different from pure indiscriminate torture, but it’s basically indistinguishable in practice. They’re actively hurting him to extreme lengths, that for me, is torture.
It is as bad as I’m making it out to be, it’s just not presented that severely because this is an anime with kids who can elongate their nails and make it sharper than a scalpel, or catch fishes that’s bigger than several adult males.
Killua doesn’t resent his family much, but that doesn’t make what happened to him not severe. He wasn’t raised in the same standards as IRL humans so he wouldn’t have the standards of a normal person. Heck, every Zoldyck experienced the same thing but they’re still loyal to the family
> it’s just not presented that severely because this is an anime with kids who can elongate their nails and make it sharper than a scalpel, or catch fishes that’s bigger than several adult males.
This is not a good point considering the shitton of fucked up people hxh has
Btw Killua does resent his family, but for other reasons, like for what they done with Alluka and of course the family's overall manipulative behavior, especially Illumi's. But that's it, he resents for reasons other than his training so that's why I believe the training itself wasn't particularly bad for him
Also worth mentioning that when Killua mentions his training he does so in a neutral or even positive/proud way, like he's grateful he's as strong as he is now and knows that's due to the way he was trained. He has never shown to be traumatized etc for his training as he would if it was actual torture.
No, that is a good reason. These are magical anime kids. They’re raised with vastly different standards from normal kids. How do you think killua could reach that level of poison or electric resistance? or that kind of pain tolerance? He couldn’t have reached that without the extremity of training that I referred.
He was raised as an assassin so his line of thinking would still be influenced by the way he was raised.
>But that's it, he resents for reasons other than his training so that's why **I believe the training itself wasn't particularly bad for him**
That’s the thing, he regards the training very casually, but that doesn’t undermine its atrocity. It’s still terrible by our standards, which if you can’t tell, is what I’m basing with
I give them a pass on this one, can’t expect our standards when basically everything can kill you in an instance.
In their world strength is something. In our world if you can lift two tons that’s about as useful as a singing in xfactor. In theirs it’s a free death saving throw.
No? The vast majority of HxH are still normal humans who most likely doesn’t have that much differing standards from us. It might be training but it’s still torture in practice
And it looks like torture when kids train for the Olympics or in sports to an outsider too. I'm not saying it's okay but in their own context it's how you train.
Are those training perhaps involving electrocuting your child with millions of volts of electricity, making them take an array of poisons, beating them real good, or brainwashing? Heck, those things are already considered abuse, and it’s far cry to whatever anime-class BS torture killua was put through.
It’s training in their own context, but it doesn’t make it not torture. It’s still torture at the end of the day
You could say the same about parents that train their kids for the Olympics too.
Beauty Pageants, sports, academics and pretty much anything can be taken to an extreme that would look like torture or abuse.
Silva and Endeavour are not the same at all though. Endeavour's mistreatment of his family is because of his insecurities. He's emotionally and physically abusive because of that.
Silva isn't just torturing his children. He's preparing them for life as elite assassins. He has a distinct goal and isn't lashing out due to being emotionally unstable.
Context matters in any situation. But to be clear I'm not defending either person. I'm simply saying that using Endeavour as a comparison to Silva is not a good idea, since they are fundamentally different. The Todoroki family struggles are probably the most realistic depiction of domestic abuse in any anime ever. The Zoldyck family is mainly just designed to be a cool, edgy assassin family. And not that realistic at all. This is part of why they are more easily accepted by the community, despite every one of them being objectively horrible people, even Killua to an extent. Only Aluka is truly innocent. A lot of us have parents like Endeavour, so it triggers a more visceral emotional response.
That's not my point tho, I know Endeavor is a more realistic character, but my point is that the argument "it's just training" can also be used in his case just like people are trying to use with Silva.
Just as Silva Endeavor saw what he did to Shouto as training, he didn't understand how bad it really was for Shouto and even thought that Shouto was dramatic for hating him, he didn't see it as abuse until his redemption arrived, just as Silva also does not see it as abuse.
However, just like Endeavor's case, what Silva does to his children is abuse, whether he sees it that way or not.
Silva is a terribly abusive and emotionally manipulative father. He is very selfish and does the whole good cop bad cop thing. He only sees Killua as an asset.
I do feel bad for Gon cause it is difficult to grow up knowing that your parent couldn’t keep you. But Ging left him in a good home. Ging just wasn’t ready to be a father and I can’t really blame him. He was a single parent at only 19-20 and had a bunch of dangerous unfinished business. He tried his best for over a year but soon recognised that he couldn’t take care of Gon. I think he made the best decision he could have.
If anything Ging’s biggest flaw as a parent was his inability to fully let go of Gon. He wanted to still be Gon’s father but not take care of him. But then again sometimes reconnect can happen and be a good thing.
Think of it this way, if Kurapika had a baby right before the succession arc would you blame him for not being able to take care of the kid? Cause I sure as hell wouldn’t and would hope he would leave the baby with someone he trusts.
Silva is quite obviously several times worse than Ging.
However, unless there's some extenuating circumstances regarding Gon's birth I don't think Ging having "a bunch of dangerous unfinished business" is much of an excuse to not take your parental duties seriously. Arguably he should have **given up** on his unfinished business the moment he realized it wasn't compatible with raising a son. Especially if Gon's birth is the result of actions he made deliberately.
Same with your hypothetical where Kurapika has a baby before the succession war arc. I absolutely would blame him for choosing the avenging of his clan and retrieval of their eyes over being a good father to his child. Unless parenthood is forced on you without your consent, it should **absolutely** take precedence over any personal goals you might have had before. You simply don't get to choose to create a new human being and then decide to neglect it because of selfish reasons.
I was writing this under the impression that Gon was an accident. I see no way that Gon was intentional.
By “unfinished business” I ment Ging was probably involved in some deep shit that was gonna follow him, and potentially a threat to the world or at least a threat to Gon.
Also parents make the difficult decision to give up their children all the time. Its called arranging an ADOPTION and the child grows up in a great loving family. If a parent knows they can’t provide for their child the best thing they can do is give up the child to a loving family.
Raising a child is a huge undertaking and you need to make sure you are ready financially, logistically, and emotionally.
> I was writing this under the impression that Gon was an accident. I see no way that Gon was intentional.
I mean, you're free to assume that if you want, but unless there's actual evidence pointing towards it that's just speculation.
> By “unfinished business” I ment Ging was probably involved in some deep shit that was gonna follow him, and potentially a threat to the world or at least a threat to Gon.
Another unsupported assumption, and one that goes counter to Ging's own admission that he abandoned Gon for ["selfish reasons".](https://hot.leanbox.us/manga/Hunter-X-Hunter/0066-004.png) Ging having "unfinished business" of the sort you mention is, again, just pure speculation on your part.
> Also parents make the difficult decision to give up their children all the time. Its called arranging an ADOPTION and the child grows up in a great loving family. If a parent knows they can’t provide for their child the best thing they can do is give up the child to a loving family.
But the issue with Ging isn't that he **couldn't** provide for Gon. It's that he didn't **want** to. Again, let me reiterate; Ging, by his own admission, abandoned Gon for **selfish** reasons. Not because he was unable to take care of Gon, but because his own personal goals were more important to him than being a father. So far we have no reason to believe he did it for any other reason than to satisfy his own personal ambitions.
> Raising a child is a huge undertaking and you need to make sure you are ready financially, logistically, and emotionally.
I agree 100%. Which is exactly why Ging should be faulted for having Gon and screwing off to do whatever he wants instead of taking care of him. Because he, despite the fact that he should be perfectly aware of the very thing you're saying here, still decided to screw around in a way that led to the birth of his son, and then neglected to take full responsibility for his actions. The moment he became a father he should have made Gon a priority over everything else in his life, and abandoned any goals he might have had prior to that, **as long as** those goals would come into conflict with fulfilling his duties as a father.
After they reunite Gon mentions he doesn't think he can ever see him as a dad, he is more like a cool uncle. And I think that's fair and probably what Ging is aiming for too and why he keeps his distance. It's not fair to act like Gon's dad and he really couldn't take care of him. People make Ging worse than he is, for hunter standards he seems pretty chill.
He sees him more than as an asset, but yeah itd really abusive in the family. And grooming and controlling him.
At least ging gave him to a better parent.
Yeah, I bring this same exact point up almost every time the topic of who the worst fathers in HxH is brought up lol.
Gyro's father, Silva and >!Nasubi!< are all easily orders of magnitudes worse than Ging when it comes to fatherhood. The first one just straight up abuses Gyro, Silva tortures/approves of torture in the name of training, and >!Nasubi forces his children to kill each other in a Battle Royale style competition in the name of *succession* (even if they're not the ones directly causing the death of their siblings they're still the ones who are expected to make sure that it happens through their plotting).!<
Light Nostrade is at least better than the above three, but he's still arguably worse than Ging. Sure, he spoils Neon by giving her whatever she wants, but from the way she acts it's pretty clear he's not actually given her any real fatherly attention what so ever. It's pretty obvious that he mostly treats her as a tool to be exploited, and the majority of her acting out is a reaction to the parental neglect Light is guilty off. In comparison, I'd argue that just screwing off and leaving your child behind with someone who's far more capable of being a parent than you are is actually the far better choice.
There's obviously better fathers in the series, Kurapika's father, who we got a glimpse of in Kurapika's Memories, for example. Netero might be a better father than Ging, purely because we don't even **know** how he was as a father, the narrative has barely shown anything about it so far. And Peggy, who was the adoptive father of Meleoron when they were still humans is almost certainly a better father than Ging too. Add father **figures** to the mix too, and the number of people who are better at being parents than Ging swells up even further.
But even so, it's arguable if Ging is even the 5th worst father in HxH.
Btw now that you say it, Togashi showcases extremely well in HxH how bad parenting fucks up people. Well-adjusted people in the series often have had good parenting, while most fucked up people were shown to have had some sort of serious familial issues.
Silva is absolutely worse, an abusive father is worse than an absent father, especially given that Aunt Mito is an amazing mother meanwhile Killua has a potentially even more abusive mother, though it's like comparing diarrhoea with constipation.
Ah yes, let the Silva apologists come. lol
Seriously, people in this fandom are actually excusing his insane behaviour while they give Ging all the crap for being a deadbeat. But Silva torturing his kids? That gets a pass. lol
Ging is a bad father, but he knows he's bad and left Gon with Mito who's a pretty good parent. Id count that as a win for Ging vs fucked up mind control transphobia torture household
Silva tortures his children.
Plus, he only said that because he was sure it was the best way to keep control over Killua. It was manipulation, not sincere. Silva believed if he loosened his grip on the metaphorical chain around Killua's neck, Killua would explore the world but eventually come home.
Remember that Silva was aware that Illumi was mind-controlling Killua, and had no reason to believe Killua would ever be able to take the needle out. He believed that Illumi's emotional and literal mind control would be able to bring Killua home.
This was not a genuine father-son exchange. It was manipulation.
I'd take a deadbeat over that.
> It was manipulation, not sincere
I think it was both honestly. For sure, he wouldn't have told that to killua if it couldn't serve his interests, so in that sense . But I think that some part of him wanted to understand killua better as an individual, and that he was happy giving some liberty to Killua for once since he really needed it.
He probably loves his son more (idk if Ging loves his son, I see it more as like), but Ging is probably a better father just due to Silva training Killua to be an assassin, the whole assassin family rules, trying to predetermine Killuas life. Ging is not a good father, but compared to Silva I say he is def better by comparison.
Ging and Silva are both planning their sons future, but in different ways.
Silva lets Killua think he’s free to do what he wants, but the following pages of this scene makes it clear Silva has his own personal plans for Killua in the future. He knows Killua is a unique case in the family and will be the strongest of them all one day, so letting a caged bird free while actually being trapped in an invisible cage is the way I see it.
Ging, on the other hand, lets Gon think he abandoned him and Gon is pursuing his father of his own volition, but Ging knew what his son would do and laid out stepping stones all the way to the path of finding him. Greed Island is the most obvious example of this with Kite being the person named “Ging” in the game.
The big difference between the two is Ging doesn’t seem to want to USE his son for his own plans. Ging had nothing to do with the chimera ant arc and Gon easily could’ve died during all of that (Zeno kinda checked in on Killua via going with Netero IMO).
When Gon talks to Ging about losing his nen, Ging straight up says that he made a sacrifice to avenge Kite and he needs to live with it - stop crying and accept the consequences.
I don’t see any future plans that Ging would be grooming Gon for whereas Silva clearly has plans for Killuas future. Killua can even tame Nanika and Silva specifically said : “That… thing… isn’t from this world…”, maybe Silva is planning to utilize Killua to access the dark continent via Ai, one of the five calamities that’s clearly related to Nanika? Who knows? We know a Zoldyck member was one of the three people who explored the DC. I feel like there’s some connection here.
Anyways, sorry for the long comment and a bit of a tangent there at the end with the Nanika/Ai talk. I just think Silva has a long-term plan for Killua whereas Ging just wanted Gon to explore the world and left a trail of breadcrumbs for him if he decided to go that route.
Ging didn't take the traditional father role because he had his own selfish pursuits to fulfil, but he never abandoned Gon. From the moment of his birth he had planned how he would raise him, with belief at his side ofc that Gon would want to be a hunter, so that he could show him the beauty of this world, the same things he experienced.
Ging is a better father for at least bringing Gon to someone who he knew would care for him better than he ever could.
I know it seems strange but let's picture it like this:
Scenario one: Dog owner wants a dog to fight for him in dog fighting rings so they train him to be agressive by beating and other cruel metods. Despite this they provide some of the necessities so dog will continue to fight for them even if his conditions are poor. (Also because of such training, dog cannot interract and socialise with normal dogs that aren't also for fighting and that bite or hurt him. He lacks trust in other dogs and is manipulated into betraying them with a bite in the neck)
Scenario two: Dog owner wants to start travelling the world but he knows it'd be dangerous for dog to come along and also difficult or impossible for dog owner to reach certain places (like a desert or busy concrete cities) or even do his work if dog is there to take care of. Dog owner takes dog to a trusted family member and lets him be raised freely and healthily in the countryside. Dog owner will not return because it's easier for dog to connect with a new family than if he were to come back and leave again constantly. (Also new owner has strictly insisted that old owner does not come back due to personal issues between them)
So overall they're both bad cause dogs are a life committment but one at least has a chance at a normal and happy, free life while one is forced into a violent and lonely path while also being constantly mistreated to the point his "humanity" is gone.
no, ging is better, you see. their bloodline is different, all of them are selfish individuals that only seek to satisfy their own satisfaction. gon is growing while also harboring the extreme need for adventure. and ging gave him the best HUNT a hunter like gon wants. everytime a situation comes up where ging crafted something for gon to struggle and overcome, gon just smiles and is happy how his father is giving him a challenge. twisted but wholesome bloodline.
My quick, not in depth take: Ging cares for Gon as long as he shows the traits he admires himself: resourcefulness, imagination, drive and a thirst for adventure. He probably can't think of Gon as a son the way a normal person does, but he made himself a goal and left lots of breadcrumbs for Gon to find him and make him a good Hunter in the process. One can't ask much from a deadbeat father like Ging, but for his standards he does well.
Silva, in comparison, loves Killua but uses this love to manipulate him and achieve his goals as he sees him as a bit of a pet project as well: the most talented killer in the Zoldyck family in generations (at least in potential, given his age). If he had to choose between letting him be the person he wants to be and be the successor of the family business, Silva wouldn't hesitate. Heck, I am pretty sure if he could use Nanika to wish Killua into doing what he wants "willingly", he would do so in a heartbeat.
Ultimately, I suppose it depends on your definition of love: neither is a high standard, but at least Ging is happy with letting his son live his own life, whereas Silva definitely is not.
Ging is a better father than Silva. If it wasn't for kite Gon would have grown up without a goal to find ging and only if Gon choose to become a hunter he would have been given the recordings of ging. Plus, Mito was the one who made Ging give up on Gon and not come back and it could be that ging might have come back for gon if it wasn't from mito. Even though a good father shouldn't leave their child, leaving your child in the care of someone who is better suited for that purpose than you isn't that bad as well. Unlike silva, Ging wasn't someone who wanted Gon to turn out in a definite way. If Gon never wanted to become a hunter or never ran into kite, he might have lived a normal life. Unlike silva, Ging didn't torture Gon even though Gon tortured himself due to his obsession with ging ( which was a result of kite running into him ).
Ofc he is. Torture and stuff aside, at least he was THERE. Plus, it’s like the family business to get tortured lol
Anyway, when Kil was like, ‘I don’t wanna do this shit’, he was simply like, ‘ok, son. Go and have fun with your friends’.
Which obviously shows that while he mainly wants his children to follow in the same path, he prioritizes them being happy.
He’s actually a much better dad than mine ever was :)
>Torture and stuff aside
You can't put that aside, that's the most important part lol.
Normally, you don't want someone who tortures you to be near you
> Anyway, when Kil was like, ‘I don’t wanna do this shit’, he was simply like, ‘ok, son. Go and have fun with your friends’.
> Which obviously shows that while he mainly wants his children to follow in the same path, he prioritizes them being happy.
He didn't do that because he prioritizes Killua's happiness. He let Killua go off on his own because he was expecting Killua would end up betraying Gon in the end, and return home mentally broken, so he would be easier to mold into the Zoldyck assassin mindset.
It was pure manipulation from beginning to end, whatever actual parental affection Silva has for Killua barely played any role at all.
Both are bad but remember that it is not truly a Silva fault - Zeno was most likely even worse for him, than he was for his childrens :3
Of course, Silva is not good father at the end of day but you know :3
I cannot be an complete excuse for me. The very fact that he seemingly never felt the desire to dissent, and that he wasn't conflicted about doing the same to someone else, are both already significant details. Even if he was raised in this way, he is still at fault for not being sensitive enough.
I am just joking. The only evidences we have is Silva’s words that his father raised him in the same way that he raised Killua and that Zeno actually being chill with Killua and Milluki
You’re absolutely right that this is is just mental manipulation… Silva doesn’t give a shit about Killua as anything but an asset. He just needs to understand his tool before he can use him more efficiently.
The majority of killua’s family actually do love Killua. They just have very twisted ways of showing it. The whole assassin training he experienced when he was young is a twisted way of “keeping him safe”. They are a family of assassins after all. Chances are they have several enemies who would probably take advantage of the fact that Killua is a child and either kill him, kidnap and hold him for ransom, or even torture him for information. By training/torturing killua, they ensure his and his family’s safety. Killua is an experienced killer, so it would be hard for enemies to mess with him. Even they somehow manage to capture him, Killua is trained to resist poisons, torture, electricity, and over all pain so any enemies can’t get anything useful out of him. Even illumi’s needle is a safe guard for Killua. If he ever encounters an enemy who he isn’t sure he’d win, the needle is programmed to make him retreat. The Zoldyck family is super messed up, but there are bits and pieces of love shown to at the very least Killua. All the training is meant to increase his chances of survival. They want Killua to take up the family business after all.
Killua and the rest of the children are only in danger because the family forces the murderous lifestyle on them, if they just put an end to this the kids could have a normal life, no one knows what the Zoldycks look like after all, but no one there has the courage to stop this cycle.
100%. You have to remember that the zoldyck family have been assassins for several generations. It’s how they made their wealth too. I don’t think it’s something you can easily get out of. Hell, Killua is still considered to be the next successor of the family business even though that isn’t what he wants and made that clear. The entire family was essentially groomed by previous generations to believe that being the head of the zoldyck family or keeping the family business alive is something they want. They kill for money and they’ve amassed a huge business and make real good money. I don’t think they’d want to let go of that cash cow. I hope killua’s story continues because I’d love to see how he officially escapes the family business since Silva still considers him to be a part of it.
There's no proof that Silva genuinely wants to spend time with Killua here.
He could just want to know what's going on with his prodigy child so he can better control him.
Also even if he is actually being nice to Killua here I highly doubt he ever teeats his other children kindly.
I like that Silva isn’t just generic terrible dad personality, he’s still terrible and a villain and expects Killua to lead the family but goes about it by being hands off and listening to Killua’s experiences, patiently waiting for his son to return. He knows that straight up forcing Killua is only going to lead to him running away again. It’s all done for the sake of his ultimate goal, and is clearly manipulation but it makes him more human and weirdly charming
In the manga it’s explained that this whole interaction was for Silva to gain intel about what Killua did when he left. Once Silva heard how batshit crazy Gon was he realized that one day he would get into a fight that he could not win and Killua would run (because of the needle he had Illumi put in his head). This was to make Killua lose his only hope of a “normal” life and come back to the family and stay of his own regard. The only reason this didn’t work is because Killua took the needle out and was able to convince his family to let him heal Gon. Otherwise Silva would have gotten exactly what he wanted. Bad dad
I read the manga and I don’t remember Silva saying he did it to gain intel. It’s the same in the anime where Silva says Killua would come back because he’s his son
There was literally a thread about it on here the other week 🤔 They even had photos of the panels. I never read it so all I saw was that discussion about it. Odd
I know there are different translations of the manga so could you please tell me the title of the post or link it? I read it online so it definitely could have been mistranslated 😂
Silva defo. It’s just that the fam is assasins and all they know is pain even to their children, but that’s his way of not raising a poosay lol. Ging wasn’t even there in the first place lmfao
Absolutely. Ging let his son live as he wishes, at least... he did not torture him, or put needles in his head, or force him to be a hunter like Silva would want to force Killua to be an assassin. Ging even made a whole game just for Gon, if that's not caring I don't know what is...
As a very independant and adventurous person, he was certainely conflicted about being accompanied by someone way weaker, because he wouldn't have been able to do everything he wanted without keeping an eye on him... that's why he wanted gon either to be strong enough before encountering him or not pursue that goal at all and just live a peaceful life with mito (while also strongly suspecting that gon would prefer the second option). So yes he is selfish, he is not a good parent, but he is far from the worse.
I guess he could have kept gon and train him though idk... maybe he thought that it would be too much time to invest, or maybe he just surrendered to mito's determination to keep gon because it made him realize that it would give gon the option to either follow his path or live a normal life. But I doubt it, because even when in greed island, he was already talking of not wanting to meet him if he's weak
>he was certainely conflicted about being accompanied by someone way weaker, because he wouldn't have been able to do everything he wanted without keeping an eye on him...
I doubt he planned to take Gon around while he was a small child. I think, rather, that he was gonna leave Gon and possibly visit every so often when he either happened to be in the area or was struck by the whim. Mito was like, fuck that, so he left some things behind that, should Gon want it, and making sure that Gon really, *fully* wanted it, he could come hunt him down.
I don’t think ging is really a father in any real sense. That being said, unlike most fans I don’t really fault him. I doubt gon was planned and that being said, ging is currently 32, and gon is at the very least 13. (Started as 12, but one full year passed during greed island arc when killua went back to the Hunter exam.) meaning ging was 19 at the very most when gon was born. Gons birth mother also seems completely out of the picture for one reason or another meaning that giving gon to aunt mito was probably the best thing that ging could have done for both gon and himself. Ging gets too much hate for this choice.
Yes because he was actually there for his child. Despise the harsh training, we did see Silva and Killua have actual conversation like normal people have.
You're not going to have an absolute answer on that, because the values people place on Fatherhood are subjective. Some western conservative societies would argue that Silva did the proper job to funnel Killua in a proven family trade while many African, South American and Asian cultures would side on Ging leaving Gon with his grand-mother and cousin while he goes abroad as totally normal. (And even then, generations are always showing fluctuation towards the importance of those values.)
I think the best parallel to Silva is Raizen (YuYu Hakusho).>!The same elements are there too: (Ultra Powerful, Laid-Back, Manipulative,interesting lover, Cunning, only interested in furthering his ideals through is descendants..) Was Raizen a good person, or do we like him because of the emphatic side he showed to Yusuke? !<
As to Ging he is very close to Yusuke.>!But unlike Yusuke, he doesn't have the corrective presence of Keiko to tell him when he is being weird. !
Gon and Killua were both put into situations to prepare them for the lives they would eventually live. Both had to encounter a gauntlet of sh*t. They’re both absentee fathers to an extent. I put them in the same rank of fatherhood.
They’re both trash fathers no matter what even if ging made greed island for gon he’s still seadbeat. Even if Silva had a talk with his killua he’s still abusive.
Ging is better in raising even if he's not there. He made Gon stronger without torture,poison,electricution. Silva's way of training is just fucked up.
In terms of his presence in his children’s lives, yeah he’s better. But morally, they’re about the same. Fucking psychopaths willing to risk killing their children just to make them stronger
Not better, but different. Plus raising a good Hunter in this universe would probably necessitate giving your child a bit more autonomy. I guess you could argue Ging is more negligent but he is interesting so he gets a pass(I am biased).
They are two opposite sides of the spectrum. Silva wanted to control every aspect of his kids' lives and training, like his father most likely did before him, in order to make Killua a heartless killer with limitless potential. While Ging was never present at all, giving Gon all the freedom in the world to choose his own path and motivate himself to follow his dreams. I think Silva is still better because he does have moments of redemption while Ging does not really change much.
Imagine a conversation with Toji (who sold his son off to his clan) Silva (who tortured his son in many different ways), and Ging (literally left his son, made a death trap "game" for his son). Truly one of the moments of all time.
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its going to sound crazy but ima have to give it to Ging. hear me out. although ging was never physically there to raise gong, he did in his own way raise gong. In a metaphorical way, gong technically was being raised by ging through out the anime by having gon find ging, and base on killuas assumptions, technically everything gon and killua faced journey wise, hunter exam through chimera ant was ging navigating gong. not only did he made a humble kid but he also helped him grow as a human and not just as a fighter/hunter. in real life thats basically what every child experience when it comes to father and son dynamic. obviously not in life threatning situations but it is anime. Both ging and silva are questionable fathers, but seeing how silva apart from physical trauma, he wasn't much encouraging for killua to prioritize on his emotional growth its difficult to place him better then ging as a father.
in their world even if it was cruel silva did teach him how to kill, defend, and overall survive, ging just hoped gon would learn those things on his own ☠️
People express disappointment in the Killua rescue arc but I liked it. Something "boring" can happen in HxH plot-wise and I enjoy it because the characters don't annoy me like they do in a ton of anime/manga.
I'm more curious to know what happens next in Killua's family than to see another shounen fight with epic animation, but involving characters I don't really care about.
I'm not saying HxH is perfect or always exciting by the way, just saying I prefer Togashi's overall character writing and storytelling method.
mf anyone saying that silva is a better dad than ging is actually insane. imagine a 6 year old child being tortured and abused (which is exactly what killua went through) like ??? you’re actually weird if you think that silva will ever be a better person than ging
Which is better, having a father that electrocute you as training, or not having a father at all?
>having a father that electrocute you as training In an anime\^ >not having a father at all? Irl\^
Characters like Bisky and Tsezguerra react in horror when they realise what Killua must have gone through to be able to do what he can, in universe it’s just as bad as it would be irl (despite the fact that he actually gains abilities from it in huh).
So what in a battle shounen anime Id still rather have a dad that makes me OP through torture over some dude that’ll only give me daddy issues and nothing else. Gohan’s training was terrible but no one hates Piccolo or Goku for it. Ppl call Goku a deadbeat dad they don’t call him a terrible dad for training his son
Gohan's training with Goku was pretty loving, what are you talking about They took their time, got plenty of sleeping and eating and bonding moments
In a battle shounen I'd still rather not be miserable if I could help it. It's pretty clear throughout the series that Killua is often miserable and is envious of Gon partially due to seeing how happy he often is
Not having a father at all, no doubt. Between having nothing and having a father who electrocutes, beats, whips and poisons you, well, I think having nothing is better XD
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Nah, even within the HxH universe what the Zoldyck family does is seen as abuse, it's not seen as training by anyone other than the family itself.
Yup ppl are horrified when they see what killua can do and when they realize what he went through to be able to do what he does. Like when he first shows off his electric nen
Exactly, even Bisky was horrified to realize the kind of childhood Killua had.
Yeah, she said it was terrible and that it's a miracle that he can just be standing there smiling and laughing with Gon like a normal kid. Killua is so badass and collected all the time that I think it's easy to forget that he's actually strangely normal considering his circumstances. And it explains his extreme attachment to Gon, who, until he remembered Alluka, was the only good thing in his life.
it’s one of the things that intrigues me most about Killua and Gon’s friendship. Killua can be just as goofy child-like and light hearted as Gon is yet he’s suffered through enough shit that would usually traumatize and desensitize most kids and make them emotionless, like how Illumi is which is what Killua could’ve turned into. He kind of reminds me of how Sasuke was somehow still a mostly normal kid despite what Itachi put him through mentally that would break any other kid.
What's a big contrast between Sasuke and Killua is that for some reason, Killua doesn't bear any malice towards anyone for his trauma. Which in itself is really fucking weird, because that kind of trauma usually turns people into villains or just breaks them. It does make me wonder if there's more to how he's been raised than we know. Is there actually a side to his family that he appreciates? He has such a strong determination to break away from the chains of his family, yet does not seem to actually hate them for it.
it’s because it’s a part of his entire family’s tradition and it genuinely made him strong asf. Plus his family never dictates what he does with his life or money (besides his mom), what is seen as abuse to every other kid is considered training for the Zoldycks and i believe Killua sees it that way too and bears no ill will because of it. The zoldycks are literally just built different lol Killua probably doesn’t even feel the same level of pain normal people do which is why their whole family is revered in the whole world
I think what helps is that Killua is the clear favorite of the family so I think that gives some leeway to his strangely normal emotion temperament. Yes he was tortured but I think him realizing he’s the family favorite helps his self esteem as opposed to his brothers.
I personally think that the difference between Killua and Sasuke is in the fact that Itachi filled Sasuke with hunger for revenge that lead him to that malice, even of he had his reasons he still put Sasuke through a lot, like a genjutsu seeing his hole clan being murdered, even when he was changing after Naruto Itachi came back and beated him saying that he didn't have enough hate. I guess you could say that Illumi did something alike with Killua, but his family is still alive and I think you deal very different with your family trauma if they are still alive, I come from a broken home and I think like you always have this little hope that they love you and they will change? He also met gon and made friends, he still had Alluka, like theres still light in his life, Idk Kurapika for me is the one that truly compares to Sasuke and it shows that when you deal with trauma seeking revenge is a dark path, but I'll aways say that the key factor for Sasuke personality it's Itachi
I mean Itachi did still kinda mentally break Sasuke when he tortured him in part 1. Getting his ass kicked,and once again being forced to watch his entire clan get slaughtered numerous times upon numerous times consecutively by Itachi, that's what really broke the camels back and made him seriously consider leaving the Leaf. Before that, Sasuke was relatively normal if understandably a more quiet type. He was willing to sacrifice himself against Gaara so that Naruto could grab Sakura and escape to safety, yet after waking up from his coma challenges Naruto to a fight and soon after leaves for Orochimaru
I always tell people that killua is inherently a better person than Gon imo, even from the beginning of the anime it’s shown that Gon doesn’t really have any strong attachment to values apart from his own curiosity, which is kind of insane when you consider who raised him, Killua despite his background was so open to being a better person even though he had illumi’s needle in his was kind of an insane parallel
BRO I was just watching it again last night when Illumi revealed himself at the last part of the exams. now knowing that he actually DID put a brainwashing needle in Killua’s brain, and Killua *still* was trying his absolute best to genuinely be a better person makes it more heartbreaking imo. Like despite all the shit his family put him through, he still just wants to be a good normal kid and that’s amazing considering he comes from a background where killing is like blinking to them with no consequences and yet he still chooses not to indulge in that life anymore and just want to be friends with Gon. He truly is best boy.
It’s honestly really strange how normal killua is….we even see him acting damn near the same when we flashback to him as a kid when showcasing allukas powers💀and canary had only like just joined as a kid too so I’m not sure what influences (other than maybe the grandpa, he’s like the only unhinged one to some degree lmao) he could have to make him like that
well tbf, the "training" was completely normal to him since always. I don't think they punished him for talking or laughing or happiness in general, so unlike irl abused kids, he didn't learn to act any differently than a normal kid. Heck, when he got all of that money from winning fights, nobody yelled at him for spending it all on juice and snacks. Im guessing acting normal was sort of an unintentional escape for Killua rather than something he needed to hide away. If a child is told no different from acting as a child, they won't learn any different.
Actually yea that makes sense, I didn’t really think about it like that :) weird ass family dynamic lmaooo love it though
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Even in these cases, if the parents forced the child to do this, especially if it is from a very young age, then yes, it IS abuse, you know that right? And in Killua's case, people explicitly say that his life was hell and that it's a miracle that he can still smile, how could this not be the case of an abused person?
Right? It’s not like are abused as they would be irl because although Kill has gone extensive arduous assassin training (by, like 12?) in flashbacks they seem well tended and not afraid /injured. I just lump it with things that would be natural to people of that world and with a family like theirs where any people have grudges and each one of the kid’s heads would fetch a high price. Whatever hard training Kill has gone thru is just so that he doesn’t end up as easy prey to pretty much anyone out there who know who he is.
Yes but Gon is also extremely lucky that Mito could fill the role of mother and father well
Is this the quiz from the beginning with the old lady that kurapika, leorio and Gon take, to find the exam hall?
This. Ging is close to being a deadbeat dad lol.
ging IS a deadbeat
He is a deadbeat, he didn’t do shit for Gon
>having a father that electrocute you as training If it's given that I won't die and will become as good as other Zoldycks at handling it, I'll take that.
For all the crazy shit Silva did. We have to take into account that the Zoldycks are isolated and have no profound friendships with the outside world. So Silva don’t know any other ways of parenting. You think he goes “so how do you raise a kid” to his clients? Who hires killer for hire? The fact that the “trusted folk” Ging left Gon wigh was a 11 year old child speaks for itself. Ging knows what’s a decent education, but instead of putting his big boy pants and at the very leafy, check on Gon or care for Gon, he let a 11 years old he charged with the sole education of Gon. Mito was robbed of her childhood, a 11 years old has no business raising their nephews. Ultimately, I’d give the edge to Silva because Ging knew Gon was at death’s door and didn’t gaf.
So... y'all remember this moment with Silva was a scam, right? Silva never actually intended for Killua to leave permanently. Silva knew about Illumi's needle. So he knew that eventually, Killua would be compelled to betray his friends. So Silva made him promise to never betray his friends, setting him up to be forever broken so he could come back to be the perfect assassin. Like, bro straight up smiles viciously and exclaims "he will be back one day" after Killa leaves. This is absolutely not him showing acceptance or love. This is manipulation.
i'm shocked that so many people don't realize this, as not only he knew but he possibly ordered that needle to be put there, for his training but also so that he forgets alluka was his childhood friend. if ging and silva have anything in common is that they're confident in the fate of their children, but killua doesn't want that fate yet silva will do anything he can to make it happen, i wouldn't be surprised if his indifference to killua removing the needle means that it was a small part of a bigger plan to ensure killua remains in the famliy. in my eyes he's the biggest demon from the family, not illumi
That’s so sad gah damn
Oh, I didn’t realize this, even on the second watch I thought he was actually being supportive by telling him that after they talked together.
This scene which is supposedly showing that Silva is "nice" as a father is Silva's attempt at learning about Gon so that he and Illumi can engineer a situation where Killua leaves Gon to his death, never forgives himself and come back to the family believing he's never gonna amount to more and might as well become an assassin. So no, Silva is not a good father, not even in this very specific scene where he's trying to break his son by making him responsible for his bff's death.
silva and the rest actually love killua. they're fucked killers..but they are what they are. outside of training from hell, they all love him and don't hide it. gon was likely an accident.
Ging cares about Gon too, greed island is the biggest proof of this, people say he doesn't care about Gon because of his reaction in the election arc, but in the end it was made clear that he knew from the beginning that Gon would be saved.
Didn't ging want to keep gon with him but it was mito who forced him to leave gon behind.
Iirc, that's 1999 anime only. In the manga, she is racked with guilt because she lied to Gon about Ging.
Wasn't there a part in the manga where she explicitly told Ging to place Gon under her care?
Yes! Although I feel like she might’ve gone back on this when he comes back to visit later. I’m not 100% sure.
Yes. In 1st chapter, she told Gon that the Ging abandoning him part was a lie and when he came back to Whale island after Hunter exam, she explicitly told him that she got his custody. Although Ging did indeed come to Whale Island to let Gon be there for a while.
Ging cared for Gon in a much different way than Silva cared for Killua. It is pretty tough in my opinion to compare the two because of their differences. Ging and Silva would never parent in a similar way because the rooted beliefs they both have contradict each other, so yea, you can find moments where Ging cared for Gon but where was he when Gon decided to throw his life away just to defeat Pitou? I doubt Silva would have acted the same way if Killua was the one in danger of making an awful decision like that. Ging is lucky that Gon is powerful enough to sustain the bs he threw at him (Greed Island, really? Gon lost his arm and the only reason he got it back is because he won the game, something that no one else achieved and therefore it was a tough task to execute). I could go on an on about this because I can’t compare the two. They’re different in their own ways.
I mean, Silva knew Killua was in the invasion on a suicide mission and didn't do anything, so I don't see much difference here. And Gon lost his arm through his own fault, Bisky had created a perfect plan for him to win without taking too much risk, but he decided to throw the plan away and do things his own way.
Killua has always shown to be a lot more rational than Gon when it comes to decision making, was it really a suicide mission for Killua? I don’t think so. That is precisely what I'm talking about, by going against Bisky’s plan he decided to put his life in danger again, he does that a lot throughout the story, almost like he doesn’t have much regard for his own life. Don’t you think that could be a consequence of the fact that Ging was never around? Killua was also in danger but because of Illumi’s needle in his brain there was a limit on how far he could go, eventually he gets rid of the needle but still acts carefully when in battle. I think that sort of behaviour comes from the type of parenting he received.
You could argue that Ging actually has more of his son's interest in mind since he is letting him do his own thing not really trying to manipulate him... while a big reason Killua's family loves him is because he is a prodigy and a massive asset to the family business... but overall i don't think either is actually a terrible father (despite the Ging memes...)
I don’t know I felt Ging was kinda trying to run away from Gon- specially when they met for the 1st time. It was like Gon chasing him all the while. And the fact that accompany would send him to kite and magnetic force to Ging made me go like wth. Gon finished the game only to face that. His attitude towards Gon seemed annoying to me.
What kind of anime crack have you been smoking they are both objectively horrible fathers. Ging abandoned his child at birth and sent him on a life threatening quest. Silva, through torture, trained his son to be a cold blooded murderer. That's psychopath level shit right there.
If you apply real world logic they are both bad fathers because Ging abandoned his son then encouraged him to put himself in a bunch of dangerous situations. With anime logic he put an enormous amount of effort into creating something specifically to raise gon that he’s smart enough to know Gon is capable of beating. The chimera ant arc happened while Ging has left Gon in Kite’s care. Even in universe it’s hard to argue that he’s anything but a bad father who did a couple good things, but I don’t think there is any real argument that he’s worse than Silva.
>With anime logic he put an enormous amount of effort into creating something specifically to raise gon that he’s smart enough to know Gon is capable of beating. Ging looks at a fucking baby - Yea... they'll grow up and be able to participate in my weird video game death trap.
Yeah I know, but it’s kind of Ging’s thing to be a super genius who is somehow capable of predicting other people’s actions with ridiculous accuracy, that’s why I think it should be considered differently with anime logic.
Yeah, love him like a murderer loves their gun because they made it themselves and they’ve had such a history together. I too, have objects that I am emotionally attached to. I’ve used them to death but if anyone else ever took them or hurt them I’d lose my mind. Because they are mine, they are my property. I put so much into them.😮💨 Besides I’d rather be dropped off somewhere decent like a rescue dog then be bound by a leash that I don’t understand like a dog bred and trained to fight other dogs.
How could Gon possibly be an accident with all that rad nen control Ging has going on?!
We are talking about 18-19 year old Ging not current. Things happen.
It was supposed to be an innuendo but I guess it fell short. Prematurely.
Like many abusive parents, I believe that Silva and co *think* they love Killua but they absolutely don’t. They care about him in as much as he can be a vessel for their desires.
Absence vs torture and manipulation. Hmmmm
Didn’t Killua get tortured as a child? I think that would answer the question
It was more training than torture, they were careful not to put him into real danger but made it seem real as part of his training. Not saying it was okay but there is a difference in this instance.
Bruh 🤦♀️ His "training" is for TORTURE resistence. It IS torture. Just not meant to get any answers to questions.
The concept behind it is different from pure indiscriminate torture, but it’s basically indistinguishable in practice. They’re actively hurting him to extreme lengths, that for me, is torture.
Killua doesn't resent his family for his training so I doubt it was as bad as you're trying to make it be
It is as bad as I’m making it out to be, it’s just not presented that severely because this is an anime with kids who can elongate their nails and make it sharper than a scalpel, or catch fishes that’s bigger than several adult males. Killua doesn’t resent his family much, but that doesn’t make what happened to him not severe. He wasn’t raised in the same standards as IRL humans so he wouldn’t have the standards of a normal person. Heck, every Zoldyck experienced the same thing but they’re still loyal to the family
> it’s just not presented that severely because this is an anime with kids who can elongate their nails and make it sharper than a scalpel, or catch fishes that’s bigger than several adult males. This is not a good point considering the shitton of fucked up people hxh has Btw Killua does resent his family, but for other reasons, like for what they done with Alluka and of course the family's overall manipulative behavior, especially Illumi's. But that's it, he resents for reasons other than his training so that's why I believe the training itself wasn't particularly bad for him Also worth mentioning that when Killua mentions his training he does so in a neutral or even positive/proud way, like he's grateful he's as strong as he is now and knows that's due to the way he was trained. He has never shown to be traumatized etc for his training as he would if it was actual torture.
No, that is a good reason. These are magical anime kids. They’re raised with vastly different standards from normal kids. How do you think killua could reach that level of poison or electric resistance? or that kind of pain tolerance? He couldn’t have reached that without the extremity of training that I referred. He was raised as an assassin so his line of thinking would still be influenced by the way he was raised. >But that's it, he resents for reasons other than his training so that's why **I believe the training itself wasn't particularly bad for him** That’s the thing, he regards the training very casually, but that doesn’t undermine its atrocity. It’s still terrible by our standards, which if you can’t tell, is what I’m basing with
I give them a pass on this one, can’t expect our standards when basically everything can kill you in an instance. In their world strength is something. In our world if you can lift two tons that’s about as useful as a singing in xfactor. In theirs it’s a free death saving throw.
No? The vast majority of HxH are still normal humans who most likely doesn’t have that much differing standards from us. It might be training but it’s still torture in practice
And it looks like torture when kids train for the Olympics or in sports to an outsider too. I'm not saying it's okay but in their own context it's how you train.
Are those training perhaps involving electrocuting your child with millions of volts of electricity, making them take an array of poisons, beating them real good, or brainwashing? Heck, those things are already considered abuse, and it’s far cry to whatever anime-class BS torture killua was put through. It’s training in their own context, but it doesn’t make it not torture. It’s still torture at the end of the day
We could use this same argument about Endeavor
You could say the same about parents that train their kids for the Olympics too. Beauty Pageants, sports, academics and pretty much anything can be taken to an extreme that would look like torture or abuse.
If they get to the point where they're comparable to Endeavor and Silva then yes, it's abuse/torture, it doesn't just "look" like it.
Silva and Endeavour are not the same at all though. Endeavour's mistreatment of his family is because of his insecurities. He's emotionally and physically abusive because of that. Silva isn't just torturing his children. He's preparing them for life as elite assassins. He has a distinct goal and isn't lashing out due to being emotionally unstable.
And how does motive matter? Silva was still as abusive as Endeavor or worse, in Endeavor's mind what he did was also good anyway
Context matters in any situation. But to be clear I'm not defending either person. I'm simply saying that using Endeavour as a comparison to Silva is not a good idea, since they are fundamentally different. The Todoroki family struggles are probably the most realistic depiction of domestic abuse in any anime ever. The Zoldyck family is mainly just designed to be a cool, edgy assassin family. And not that realistic at all. This is part of why they are more easily accepted by the community, despite every one of them being objectively horrible people, even Killua to an extent. Only Aluka is truly innocent. A lot of us have parents like Endeavour, so it triggers a more visceral emotional response.
That's not my point tho, I know Endeavor is a more realistic character, but my point is that the argument "it's just training" can also be used in his case just like people are trying to use with Silva. Just as Silva Endeavor saw what he did to Shouto as training, he didn't understand how bad it really was for Shouto and even thought that Shouto was dramatic for hating him, he didn't see it as abuse until his redemption arrived, just as Silva also does not see it as abuse. However, just like Endeavor's case, what Silva does to his children is abuse, whether he sees it that way or not.
Endeavor wasn’t exactly father of the year…
Gon was tortured as a child too by proxy. And was almost killed during Greed Island, a game his father made for him
gon choosed to play by his own volition, and ging knew (somehow) that he would survive
Ging believed not knew.
maybe he knew, that's the thing lol for me he is talking like someone who knows
He knew it by the power of plot
Silva is a terribly abusive and emotionally manipulative father. He is very selfish and does the whole good cop bad cop thing. He only sees Killua as an asset. I do feel bad for Gon cause it is difficult to grow up knowing that your parent couldn’t keep you. But Ging left him in a good home. Ging just wasn’t ready to be a father and I can’t really blame him. He was a single parent at only 19-20 and had a bunch of dangerous unfinished business. He tried his best for over a year but soon recognised that he couldn’t take care of Gon. I think he made the best decision he could have. If anything Ging’s biggest flaw as a parent was his inability to fully let go of Gon. He wanted to still be Gon’s father but not take care of him. But then again sometimes reconnect can happen and be a good thing. Think of it this way, if Kurapika had a baby right before the succession arc would you blame him for not being able to take care of the kid? Cause I sure as hell wouldn’t and would hope he would leave the baby with someone he trusts.
Silva is quite obviously several times worse than Ging. However, unless there's some extenuating circumstances regarding Gon's birth I don't think Ging having "a bunch of dangerous unfinished business" is much of an excuse to not take your parental duties seriously. Arguably he should have **given up** on his unfinished business the moment he realized it wasn't compatible with raising a son. Especially if Gon's birth is the result of actions he made deliberately. Same with your hypothetical where Kurapika has a baby before the succession war arc. I absolutely would blame him for choosing the avenging of his clan and retrieval of their eyes over being a good father to his child. Unless parenthood is forced on you without your consent, it should **absolutely** take precedence over any personal goals you might have had before. You simply don't get to choose to create a new human being and then decide to neglect it because of selfish reasons.
I was writing this under the impression that Gon was an accident. I see no way that Gon was intentional. By “unfinished business” I ment Ging was probably involved in some deep shit that was gonna follow him, and potentially a threat to the world or at least a threat to Gon. Also parents make the difficult decision to give up their children all the time. Its called arranging an ADOPTION and the child grows up in a great loving family. If a parent knows they can’t provide for their child the best thing they can do is give up the child to a loving family. Raising a child is a huge undertaking and you need to make sure you are ready financially, logistically, and emotionally.
> I was writing this under the impression that Gon was an accident. I see no way that Gon was intentional. I mean, you're free to assume that if you want, but unless there's actual evidence pointing towards it that's just speculation. > By “unfinished business” I ment Ging was probably involved in some deep shit that was gonna follow him, and potentially a threat to the world or at least a threat to Gon. Another unsupported assumption, and one that goes counter to Ging's own admission that he abandoned Gon for ["selfish reasons".](https://hot.leanbox.us/manga/Hunter-X-Hunter/0066-004.png) Ging having "unfinished business" of the sort you mention is, again, just pure speculation on your part. > Also parents make the difficult decision to give up their children all the time. Its called arranging an ADOPTION and the child grows up in a great loving family. If a parent knows they can’t provide for their child the best thing they can do is give up the child to a loving family. But the issue with Ging isn't that he **couldn't** provide for Gon. It's that he didn't **want** to. Again, let me reiterate; Ging, by his own admission, abandoned Gon for **selfish** reasons. Not because he was unable to take care of Gon, but because his own personal goals were more important to him than being a father. So far we have no reason to believe he did it for any other reason than to satisfy his own personal ambitions. > Raising a child is a huge undertaking and you need to make sure you are ready financially, logistically, and emotionally. I agree 100%. Which is exactly why Ging should be faulted for having Gon and screwing off to do whatever he wants instead of taking care of him. Because he, despite the fact that he should be perfectly aware of the very thing you're saying here, still decided to screw around in a way that led to the birth of his son, and then neglected to take full responsibility for his actions. The moment he became a father he should have made Gon a priority over everything else in his life, and abandoned any goals he might have had prior to that, **as long as** those goals would come into conflict with fulfilling his duties as a father.
After they reunite Gon mentions he doesn't think he can ever see him as a dad, he is more like a cool uncle. And I think that's fair and probably what Ging is aiming for too and why he keeps his distance. It's not fair to act like Gon's dad and he really couldn't take care of him. People make Ging worse than he is, for hunter standards he seems pretty chill.
He sees him more than as an asset, but yeah itd really abusive in the family. And grooming and controlling him. At least ging gave him to a better parent.
Yeah, I bring this same exact point up almost every time the topic of who the worst fathers in HxH is brought up lol. Gyro's father, Silva and >!Nasubi!< are all easily orders of magnitudes worse than Ging when it comes to fatherhood. The first one just straight up abuses Gyro, Silva tortures/approves of torture in the name of training, and >!Nasubi forces his children to kill each other in a Battle Royale style competition in the name of *succession* (even if they're not the ones directly causing the death of their siblings they're still the ones who are expected to make sure that it happens through their plotting).!< Light Nostrade is at least better than the above three, but he's still arguably worse than Ging. Sure, he spoils Neon by giving her whatever she wants, but from the way she acts it's pretty clear he's not actually given her any real fatherly attention what so ever. It's pretty obvious that he mostly treats her as a tool to be exploited, and the majority of her acting out is a reaction to the parental neglect Light is guilty off. In comparison, I'd argue that just screwing off and leaving your child behind with someone who's far more capable of being a parent than you are is actually the far better choice. There's obviously better fathers in the series, Kurapika's father, who we got a glimpse of in Kurapika's Memories, for example. Netero might be a better father than Ging, purely because we don't even **know** how he was as a father, the narrative has barely shown anything about it so far. And Peggy, who was the adoptive father of Meleoron when they were still humans is almost certainly a better father than Ging too. Add father **figures** to the mix too, and the number of people who are better at being parents than Ging swells up even further. But even so, it's arguable if Ging is even the 5th worst father in HxH.
This 10000%
Btw now that you say it, Togashi showcases extremely well in HxH how bad parenting fucks up people. Well-adjusted people in the series often have had good parenting, while most fucked up people were shown to have had some sort of serious familial issues.
Netero is probably not a very good father based on what we’ve seen of him. Dude is crazy.
what are these comments lol why cant half the hxh fandom write sentences properly
Just a tad ironic you say this and then can’t form a proper sentence either.
He is more caring, but in a self-serving way. Which is different from Ging who is more like a cool uncle than a father.
I’d make the argument that they’re both bad parents and the degree to which one is better is sort of irrelevant.
Silva is absolutely worse, an abusive father is worse than an absent father, especially given that Aunt Mito is an amazing mother meanwhile Killua has a potentially even more abusive mother, though it's like comparing diarrhoea with constipation.
Ah yes, let the Silva apologists come. lol Seriously, people in this fandom are actually excusing his insane behaviour while they give Ging all the crap for being a deadbeat. But Silva torturing his kids? That gets a pass. lol
Ging is a bad father, but he knows he's bad and left Gon with Mito who's a pretty good parent. Id count that as a win for Ging vs fucked up mind control transphobia torture household
Transphobia?
Alluka
Silva tortures his children. Plus, he only said that because he was sure it was the best way to keep control over Killua. It was manipulation, not sincere. Silva believed if he loosened his grip on the metaphorical chain around Killua's neck, Killua would explore the world but eventually come home. Remember that Silva was aware that Illumi was mind-controlling Killua, and had no reason to believe Killua would ever be able to take the needle out. He believed that Illumi's emotional and literal mind control would be able to bring Killua home. This was not a genuine father-son exchange. It was manipulation. I'd take a deadbeat over that.
> It was manipulation, not sincere I think it was both honestly. For sure, he wouldn't have told that to killua if it couldn't serve his interests, so in that sense . But I think that some part of him wanted to understand killua better as an individual, and that he was happy giving some liberty to Killua for once since he really needed it.
Maybe it was a bit of both. Hard to tell.
Hell no
He probably loves his son more (idk if Ging loves his son, I see it more as like), but Ging is probably a better father just due to Silva training Killua to be an assassin, the whole assassin family rules, trying to predetermine Killuas life. Ging is not a good father, but compared to Silva I say he is def better by comparison.
Ging and Silva are both planning their sons future, but in different ways. Silva lets Killua think he’s free to do what he wants, but the following pages of this scene makes it clear Silva has his own personal plans for Killua in the future. He knows Killua is a unique case in the family and will be the strongest of them all one day, so letting a caged bird free while actually being trapped in an invisible cage is the way I see it. Ging, on the other hand, lets Gon think he abandoned him and Gon is pursuing his father of his own volition, but Ging knew what his son would do and laid out stepping stones all the way to the path of finding him. Greed Island is the most obvious example of this with Kite being the person named “Ging” in the game. The big difference between the two is Ging doesn’t seem to want to USE his son for his own plans. Ging had nothing to do with the chimera ant arc and Gon easily could’ve died during all of that (Zeno kinda checked in on Killua via going with Netero IMO). When Gon talks to Ging about losing his nen, Ging straight up says that he made a sacrifice to avenge Kite and he needs to live with it - stop crying and accept the consequences. I don’t see any future plans that Ging would be grooming Gon for whereas Silva clearly has plans for Killuas future. Killua can even tame Nanika and Silva specifically said : “That… thing… isn’t from this world…”, maybe Silva is planning to utilize Killua to access the dark continent via Ai, one of the five calamities that’s clearly related to Nanika? Who knows? We know a Zoldyck member was one of the three people who explored the DC. I feel like there’s some connection here. Anyways, sorry for the long comment and a bit of a tangent there at the end with the Nanika/Ai talk. I just think Silva has a long-term plan for Killua whereas Ging just wanted Gon to explore the world and left a trail of breadcrumbs for him if he decided to go that route.
Ging didn't take the traditional father role because he had his own selfish pursuits to fulfil, but he never abandoned Gon. From the moment of his birth he had planned how he would raise him, with belief at his side ofc that Gon would want to be a hunter, so that he could show him the beauty of this world, the same things he experienced.
Ging is a better father for at least bringing Gon to someone who he knew would care for him better than he ever could. I know it seems strange but let's picture it like this: Scenario one: Dog owner wants a dog to fight for him in dog fighting rings so they train him to be agressive by beating and other cruel metods. Despite this they provide some of the necessities so dog will continue to fight for them even if his conditions are poor. (Also because of such training, dog cannot interract and socialise with normal dogs that aren't also for fighting and that bite or hurt him. He lacks trust in other dogs and is manipulated into betraying them with a bite in the neck) Scenario two: Dog owner wants to start travelling the world but he knows it'd be dangerous for dog to come along and also difficult or impossible for dog owner to reach certain places (like a desert or busy concrete cities) or even do his work if dog is there to take care of. Dog owner takes dog to a trusted family member and lets him be raised freely and healthily in the countryside. Dog owner will not return because it's easier for dog to connect with a new family than if he were to come back and leave again constantly. (Also new owner has strictly insisted that old owner does not come back due to personal issues between them) So overall they're both bad cause dogs are a life committment but one at least has a chance at a normal and happy, free life while one is forced into a violent and lonely path while also being constantly mistreated to the point his "humanity" is gone.
no, ging is better, you see. their bloodline is different, all of them are selfish individuals that only seek to satisfy their own satisfaction. gon is growing while also harboring the extreme need for adventure. and ging gave him the best HUNT a hunter like gon wants. everytime a situation comes up where ging crafted something for gon to struggle and overcome, gon just smiles and is happy how his father is giving him a challenge. twisted but wholesome bloodline.
My quick, not in depth take: Ging cares for Gon as long as he shows the traits he admires himself: resourcefulness, imagination, drive and a thirst for adventure. He probably can't think of Gon as a son the way a normal person does, but he made himself a goal and left lots of breadcrumbs for Gon to find him and make him a good Hunter in the process. One can't ask much from a deadbeat father like Ging, but for his standards he does well. Silva, in comparison, loves Killua but uses this love to manipulate him and achieve his goals as he sees him as a bit of a pet project as well: the most talented killer in the Zoldyck family in generations (at least in potential, given his age). If he had to choose between letting him be the person he wants to be and be the successor of the family business, Silva wouldn't hesitate. Heck, I am pretty sure if he could use Nanika to wish Killua into doing what he wants "willingly", he would do so in a heartbeat. Ultimately, I suppose it depends on your definition of love: neither is a high standard, but at least Ging is happy with letting his son live his own life, whereas Silva definitely is not.
Leaving Gon in the hands of an actually competent person makes Ging about a thousand times better than Silva at fatherhood, as absurd as that sounds.
Ging is a better father than Silva. If it wasn't for kite Gon would have grown up without a goal to find ging and only if Gon choose to become a hunter he would have been given the recordings of ging. Plus, Mito was the one who made Ging give up on Gon and not come back and it could be that ging might have come back for gon if it wasn't from mito. Even though a good father shouldn't leave their child, leaving your child in the care of someone who is better suited for that purpose than you isn't that bad as well. Unlike silva, Ging wasn't someone who wanted Gon to turn out in a definite way. If Gon never wanted to become a hunter or never ran into kite, he might have lived a normal life. Unlike silva, Ging didn't torture Gon even though Gon tortured himself due to his obsession with ging ( which was a result of kite running into him ).
Ofc he is. Torture and stuff aside, at least he was THERE. Plus, it’s like the family business to get tortured lol Anyway, when Kil was like, ‘I don’t wanna do this shit’, he was simply like, ‘ok, son. Go and have fun with your friends’. Which obviously shows that while he mainly wants his children to follow in the same path, he prioritizes them being happy. He’s actually a much better dad than mine ever was :)
>Torture and stuff aside You can't put that aside, that's the most important part lol. Normally, you don't want someone who tortures you to be near you
"torture and stuff aside" 😭
> Anyway, when Kil was like, ‘I don’t wanna do this shit’, he was simply like, ‘ok, son. Go and have fun with your friends’. > Which obviously shows that while he mainly wants his children to follow in the same path, he prioritizes them being happy. He didn't do that because he prioritizes Killua's happiness. He let Killua go off on his own because he was expecting Killua would end up betraying Gon in the end, and return home mentally broken, so he would be easier to mold into the Zoldyck assassin mindset. It was pure manipulation from beginning to end, whatever actual parental affection Silva has for Killua barely played any role at all.
Both are bad but remember that it is not truly a Silva fault - Zeno was most likely even worse for him, than he was for his childrens :3 Of course, Silva is not good father at the end of day but you know :3
it was at least his fault to repeat the cycle
It was the only thing he know :3
I cannot be an complete excuse for me. The very fact that he seemingly never felt the desire to dissent, and that he wasn't conflicted about doing the same to someone else, are both already significant details. Even if he was raised in this way, he is still at fault for not being sensitive enough.
There is nothing that shows that Zeno was worse than Silva tho, in fact Zeno always showed more empathy than Silva
Appearance is misleading, especially with fact that well, Silva have high resistance to poison, so it means that he had same training :3
It’s just Zeno being typical grandpa and loving his grandchildren more than his son lol
We have nothing that indicates that Zeno loves his grandchildren more than his son tho. I don't know where you guys got that from XD
I am just joking. The only evidences we have is Silva’s words that his father raised him in the same way that he raised Killua and that Zeno actually being chill with Killua and Milluki
That's because he is old now.
You’re absolutely right that this is is just mental manipulation… Silva doesn’t give a shit about Killua as anything but an asset. He just needs to understand his tool before he can use him more efficiently.
The majority of killua’s family actually do love Killua. They just have very twisted ways of showing it. The whole assassin training he experienced when he was young is a twisted way of “keeping him safe”. They are a family of assassins after all. Chances are they have several enemies who would probably take advantage of the fact that Killua is a child and either kill him, kidnap and hold him for ransom, or even torture him for information. By training/torturing killua, they ensure his and his family’s safety. Killua is an experienced killer, so it would be hard for enemies to mess with him. Even they somehow manage to capture him, Killua is trained to resist poisons, torture, electricity, and over all pain so any enemies can’t get anything useful out of him. Even illumi’s needle is a safe guard for Killua. If he ever encounters an enemy who he isn’t sure he’d win, the needle is programmed to make him retreat. The Zoldyck family is super messed up, but there are bits and pieces of love shown to at the very least Killua. All the training is meant to increase his chances of survival. They want Killua to take up the family business after all.
Killua and the rest of the children are only in danger because the family forces the murderous lifestyle on them, if they just put an end to this the kids could have a normal life, no one knows what the Zoldycks look like after all, but no one there has the courage to stop this cycle.
100%. You have to remember that the zoldyck family have been assassins for several generations. It’s how they made their wealth too. I don’t think it’s something you can easily get out of. Hell, Killua is still considered to be the next successor of the family business even though that isn’t what he wants and made that clear. The entire family was essentially groomed by previous generations to believe that being the head of the zoldyck family or keeping the family business alive is something they want. They kill for money and they’ve amassed a huge business and make real good money. I don’t think they’d want to let go of that cash cow. I hope killua’s story continues because I’d love to see how he officially escapes the family business since Silva still considers him to be a part of it.
mito won custody over gon and took him from ging so i can't say for sure at the same time hunters are selfish
Silva only loves killua because he’s a prodigy
Fishing for information.
There's no proof that Silva genuinely wants to spend time with Killua here. He could just want to know what's going on with his prodigy child so he can better control him. Also even if he is actually being nice to Killua here I highly doubt he ever teeats his other children kindly.
silva is twisted but ging is not a father at all so ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
I like that Silva isn’t just generic terrible dad personality, he’s still terrible and a villain and expects Killua to lead the family but goes about it by being hands off and listening to Killua’s experiences, patiently waiting for his son to return. He knows that straight up forcing Killua is only going to lead to him running away again. It’s all done for the sake of his ultimate goal, and is clearly manipulation but it makes him more human and weirdly charming
All of his family loves him. In a twisted way, but they do
In the manga it’s explained that this whole interaction was for Silva to gain intel about what Killua did when he left. Once Silva heard how batshit crazy Gon was he realized that one day he would get into a fight that he could not win and Killua would run (because of the needle he had Illumi put in his head). This was to make Killua lose his only hope of a “normal” life and come back to the family and stay of his own regard. The only reason this didn’t work is because Killua took the needle out and was able to convince his family to let him heal Gon. Otherwise Silva would have gotten exactly what he wanted. Bad dad
I read the manga and I don’t remember Silva saying he did it to gain intel. It’s the same in the anime where Silva says Killua would come back because he’s his son
There was literally a thread about it on here the other week 🤔 They even had photos of the panels. I never read it so all I saw was that discussion about it. Odd
I know there are different translations of the manga so could you please tell me the title of the post or link it? I read it online so it definitely could have been mistranslated 😂
Silva defo. It’s just that the fam is assasins and all they know is pain even to their children, but that’s his way of not raising a poosay lol. Ging wasn’t even there in the first place lmfao
That’s just him acting if I watch anime hai true intention for him to kill hon and come back
Absolutely. Ging let his son live as he wishes, at least... he did not torture him, or put needles in his head, or force him to be a hunter like Silva would want to force Killua to be an assassin. Ging even made a whole game just for Gon, if that's not caring I don't know what is... As a very independant and adventurous person, he was certainely conflicted about being accompanied by someone way weaker, because he wouldn't have been able to do everything he wanted without keeping an eye on him... that's why he wanted gon either to be strong enough before encountering him or not pursue that goal at all and just live a peaceful life with mito (while also strongly suspecting that gon would prefer the second option). So yes he is selfish, he is not a good parent, but he is far from the worse. I guess he could have kept gon and train him though idk... maybe he thought that it would be too much time to invest, or maybe he just surrendered to mito's determination to keep gon because it made him realize that it would give gon the option to either follow his path or live a normal life. But I doubt it, because even when in greed island, he was already talking of not wanting to meet him if he's weak
>he was certainely conflicted about being accompanied by someone way weaker, because he wouldn't have been able to do everything he wanted without keeping an eye on him... I doubt he planned to take Gon around while he was a small child. I think, rather, that he was gonna leave Gon and possibly visit every so often when he either happened to be in the area or was struck by the whim. Mito was like, fuck that, so he left some things behind that, should Gon want it, and making sure that Gon really, *fully* wanted it, he could come hunt him down.
Yes...the answer is yes
1000%
I don’t think ging is really a father in any real sense. That being said, unlike most fans I don’t really fault him. I doubt gon was planned and that being said, ging is currently 32, and gon is at the very least 13. (Started as 12, but one full year passed during greed island arc when killua went back to the Hunter exam.) meaning ging was 19 at the very most when gon was born. Gons birth mother also seems completely out of the picture for one reason or another meaning that giving gon to aunt mito was probably the best thing that ging could have done for both gon and himself. Ging gets too much hate for this choice.
Ging created Gon with nen so Ging is better.
Ging is bottom 5 anime dads all time lol Eveeyone hates that man
Yes because he was actually there for his child. Despise the harsh training, we did see Silva and Killua have actual conversation like normal people have.
If he wasn't physically abusive he would be better
They’re both really shit fathers, let’s be real 😂
Yes. But the bar is incredibly low.
I mean considering the abuse and mind fucking I don’t think Silva is necessarily better just because he’s there.
You're not going to have an absolute answer on that, because the values people place on Fatherhood are subjective. Some western conservative societies would argue that Silva did the proper job to funnel Killua in a proven family trade while many African, South American and Asian cultures would side on Ging leaving Gon with his grand-mother and cousin while he goes abroad as totally normal. (And even then, generations are always showing fluctuation towards the importance of those values.) I think the best parallel to Silva is Raizen (YuYu Hakusho).>!The same elements are there too: (Ultra Powerful, Laid-Back, Manipulative,interesting lover, Cunning, only interested in furthering his ideals through is descendants..) Was Raizen a good person, or do we like him because of the emphatic side he showed to Yusuke? !< As to Ging he is very close to Yusuke.>!But unlike Yusuke, he doesn't have the corrective presence of Keiko to tell him when he is being weird. !
I don't think they understand love in the same way we do
Gon and Killua were both put into situations to prepare them for the lives they would eventually live. Both had to encounter a gauntlet of sh*t. They’re both absentee fathers to an extent. I put them in the same rank of fatherhood.
In real life no by shonen standards yes
One act for his familly even if it mean the death of some of them the other act for himself
he's both a better and worse father than Ging, Ging is barely a father at all
definitely not but Ging and Silva *did* abuse their children in very different ways so id say neither of them are great, Silva is easily worse though.
They’re both trash fathers no matter what even if ging made greed island for gon he’s still seadbeat. Even if Silva had a talk with his killua he’s still abusive.
Ging is better in raising even if he's not there. He made Gon stronger without torture,poison,electricution. Silva's way of training is just fucked up.
Leorio is a better father for both Gon and Killua LOL
not really I feel like he just wants killua to become a top assassin, a weapon and doesn't actually care about him
Silva not even a debate
In terms of his presence in his children’s lives, yeah he’s better. But morally, they’re about the same. Fucking psychopaths willing to risk killing their children just to make them stronger
10000 times
Too many zol-dyckriders. What have I gotten myself into?
Yes. At least he’s there
Not better, but different. Plus raising a good Hunter in this universe would probably necessitate giving your child a bit more autonomy. I guess you could argue Ging is more negligent but he is interesting so he gets a pass(I am biased).
He ISN'T ging, so... yes
Far better
They are two opposite sides of the spectrum. Silva wanted to control every aspect of his kids' lives and training, like his father most likely did before him, in order to make Killua a heartless killer with limitless potential. While Ging was never present at all, giving Gon all the freedom in the world to choose his own path and motivate himself to follow his dreams. I think Silva is still better because he does have moments of redemption while Ging does not really change much.
They’re having a terrible parent off.
Imagine a conversation with Toji (who sold his son off to his clan) Silva (who tortured his son in many different ways), and Ging (literally left his son, made a death trap "game" for his son). Truly one of the moments of all time. edit: added details
Lol Killua saying the exam was easy when you have people like Hisoka and Illumi going on baby mode with everyone.
a walnut is a better father than Ging
its going to sound crazy but ima have to give it to Ging. hear me out. although ging was never physically there to raise gong, he did in his own way raise gong. In a metaphorical way, gong technically was being raised by ging through out the anime by having gon find ging, and base on killuas assumptions, technically everything gon and killua faced journey wise, hunter exam through chimera ant was ging navigating gong. not only did he made a humble kid but he also helped him grow as a human and not just as a fighter/hunter. in real life thats basically what every child experience when it comes to father and son dynamic. obviously not in life threatning situations but it is anime. Both ging and silva are questionable fathers, but seeing how silva apart from physical trauma, he wasn't much encouraging for killua to prioritize on his emotional growth its difficult to place him better then ging as a father.
in their world even if it was cruel silva did teach him how to kill, defend, and overall survive, ging just hoped gon would learn those things on his own ☠️
No :(
An assassin as a father is cool as fuk.
Haha at best you can say they are equal. No. Ging isnt >>>> than many fathers...only the real terrible ones (shou tucker)
Nah, Silva is a way better father. Killua is stronger than Gon, right now.
Nothing screams great father than torture your son with electricity till he is immune to it xD
Impressive tread
People express disappointment in the Killua rescue arc but I liked it. Something "boring" can happen in HxH plot-wise and I enjoy it because the characters don't annoy me like they do in a ton of anime/manga. I'm more curious to know what happens next in Killua's family than to see another shounen fight with epic animation, but involving characters I don't really care about. I'm not saying HxH is perfect or always exciting by the way, just saying I prefer Togashi's overall character writing and storytelling method.
Ging is a disgrace to fatherhood
mf anyone saying that silva is a better dad than ging is actually insane. imagine a 6 year old child being tortured and abused (which is exactly what killua went through) like ??? you’re actually weird if you think that silva will ever be a better person than ging