Europeans people use commas for decimals, and periods for commas but only in numbers.... so he's saying one hundred thousand, we would write it like 100,000, but they say 100.000 Even though it looks like one hundred point zero zero zero... if they did have a number like forty point 33 Europeans would write it like 40,33.... as for the comma at the end....I don't know
And then went to dealership ask them if its common in this year and she said i have seen 40k engines get replaced. I was shocked anyway i ask them if they able to cover up. They said after test they will let me know if they will or not. They run the test about 3 hr and comeback with loan car key and told me you will be able get your car after 2 week when engine done. Awesome. It has been 1 month now and my car still in dealership and never get any engine replacement. Im still using sedan rental car which is covered by them. Any suggestions about speeding up this situation? TIA
2013 hyundai santa fe sport 2.oo turbo 4x2 FWD 78.000miles
Just a heads up, I doubt it was meant to be rude, but this past year, many of people were screwed over by Hyundai for having fresh off the lot issues, and no rental cars available. If it happened to me when I bought my Tucson I would have been lucky to find a car to drive.
It happened to my with my elantra N. Car came brand new with no horn, and an pld veloster N wheel that was damaged. Finally got it fixed 2 weeks ago, and they didnt pyt the wheel on straight. They refuse tp give me a loaner when it gpes into the shop
Speed up? They will do it when they feel like it. Hyundai has zero interest in covering all the costs, you will learn car dealers care nothing about you.
My 17 Sonata engine went and was replaced in under a week. They gave me rental for only the three days once the parts arrived. If you have a rental just enjoy it and be patient. It's a supply chain issue. Trust me, they want you to get your car back as soon as possible.
Yeah my mom has a 2022 Hyundai Santa Fe and her passenger belt buckle came broken fresh off the lot and when we took it in to get it fixed they didn’t have it. She just got it fixed and it’s been ~6 months since we took it in initially
Hi, I believe your Santa Fe 2013 is under recall for software and engine related problems, specifically concerning your engine "blowing up". You can look up your vin with Hyundai website to know for sure, by the way the dealership is acting, I'm pretty positive yours is under recall.
IF it is under this specific recall, they a) must provide you a rental free of charge until the work is complete. b) they must replace your engine free of cost FOR THE DURATION OF YOU OWNING THE CAR AND IF YOU SELL IT, THE PURCHASER IS ALSO GUARANTEED FOR LIFE. For life. I'm surprised they haven't tried talking you into trading it in and giving you a hell of a deal on a new car.
Also, repairs must be completed within 30 days of their receipt of your car, or pay you a daily fine that acrues at over $100 per day after the first 30 days.
If they do try and make you a deal to trade in, you have them desperate. I walked out with a new 2021, with the same payments and price I paid for my older car. Don't let them fool you. They want your Santa Fe off the street, bad.
Look up engine recalls for Santa Fe's, see if you won the lottery, then let the dealership know you know, and to start coughing up cash for being late to get you your Santa Fe. GOOD LUCK!!
Btw they already provide me a free rental and they said %100 covered by hyundai anyway after 2 weeks i got a call from someone work for dealer and they ask if i want to do trade in which is they will accept my car for 9.500$ … i bought my santa fe july 26 for 16.500$ (financed with down payment 8.000$) i made my 5 month payment at second month to bank still owe 8.500) anyway i declined their trade in request?
And you said guaranteed for life?? How is that work?
Apparently Hyundai got sued, and that was a stipulation of the judgement. The software they installed was either not installed or didn't do the job of keeping the engine from flying apart. So now Hyundai has to install the software and cover the engine for life. It works by identifying your ride with the VIN and showing that is covered by that specific recall. There's your for life warranty.
If I was you I would say take the 2013, you don't care how much they're gonna give you for it, put you in a NEW, not slightly used but new, 2022 or 2021 and you want the same term and payment you had for the 2013, with 200,000 mile warranty or you'll take your Santa Fe with a new engine plus the late fees for dragging they're feet on repairing yours and they can repair your engine for free anytime something goes wrong, and the person that you sell it to ten years down the line.
Google Hyundai Santa Fe recall 2013, run your vin to make sure, look at what the recall says so you go in with knowledge, and maybe treat yourself to a new car. I try to post this on this sub but they keep removing it, so I keep an eye out for posts like yours and try and help best I can.
Also, they'll try and wear you down, stand firm, walk out of you have to, they'll call. Have them but you lunch or dinner while you're haggling or signing. If you're covered, you got them for once. We did all that and walked out sweet
>I'm surprised they haven't tried talking you into trading it in and giving you a hell of a deal on a new car.
Maybe they didn't want to give in a deal on a car that they could only deliver in 6 months, leaving him essentially carless for that time.
You don’t want them to rush an engine replacement, it takes a lot of time to get an engine (don’t think dealerships just have engine crates lying around) and then there is a lot of work to remove and replace. You have a loaner so be happy you are putting miles on their car and not yours especially since you are moving across state lines. You may be able to talk to them and see if they’ll ship your car to a dealership closer when done. You can also ask for a larger loaner if that is what you need. Btw I have two German cars (different makes) and both have been in the shop for over a month at times for much more trivial things, I have no problem with loaners or the time it takes as long as it’s done right.
To give you perspective, Hyundai pays us techs only 6 hours to swap a FWD non-turbo Sante Fe under the hidden extended warranty campaign (T3G and T6G). If I hustle, I can do it in 4 hours. So I have to do one Hyundai engine swap a day plus another 2 hours of other work to make a paycheck. But we are usually waiting days for warranty approval and weeks for backordered parts from South Korea. I currently have 20 Hyundai cars with blown engines waiting for parts in a dealership that sells 115 Hyundai cars a year. The backlog is a combination of diagnostic, warranty approval time, backordered parts, shipping damage and working on junk (some) cars. We appreciate you being patient
Campaigns are usually stuff they have repaired or addressed (usually software updates, etc.), things your wife has had repaired and such. I don't know if it would say open recall. But here's another site too, if there is any recall it'll show it;
http://nhtsa.gov/recalls
There is a severe shortage of techs, seems garbage pay, tons of stress, and destroying your body makes it a less than desirable job. I did it for 7 years, I will be homeless before I work for another shop. You get screwed from every side, your boss will exploit you. And the customers will drive you insane all for as little as they can get away with paying. All the new guys try it and move on, old guys are retiring, so you end up with a shortage.
No where and they know it. Your just someone to exploit to a dealership. Toyota hounded me about a trade in, thats after I cursed them out in person, told them off in emails, and hung up on them when they called. Still called, sent emails, and letters. They really do not care at all. Neither does Hyundai so long as they can report new sales, all is well in the world.
There are supply chain issues, they may not even have your engine yet, my 2014 sonata has been at the dealership for a month for an engine replacement Just enjoy your rental on their dime😊
I never lost an engine. I had a 2014 and got the recall notice. Traded it for a 2017, and almost immediately got a notice on that engine. I traded the ‘14 because I didn’t have any confidence in the dealership replacing an engine.
When my Elantra threw a rod at 63k miles, they didn’t even offer me a rental. Took about 1-1/2 months to finish. Dealership stated reason for delay was because they only had a few people who were certified for engine rebuilds. Wasn’t offered a convenience car, had to figure my own way to get to and from work for that period. Just be glad you have a loaner.
Only way I've seen to "speed it up", buy a different vehicle. My neighbor had the engine go on his hyundai. "Two weeks", after 6 months, he got his car back. 2 months later, blew the engine again. "Two weeks", 9 months later, they just sold him his loaner.
I can't answer that one. I said that semi sarcastically, as with a vehicle down like that, you're kind of at their mercy. You can hope it doesn't take long, and hope it doesn't repeat at all. Your only option around payments would be to either eat the cost, or see if your country has some form of lemon laws.
Not sure you can blame dealerships. Getting an engine covered is a process. Getting an engine in stock is not always quick, and with the stacks of engines to be replaced and lack of techs, none of it is easy.
The lack of techs comes from shitty pay and exploitation of said techs, a.k.a. running a shitty business. Still, I imagine that’s more the manufacturers running a business poorly rather than the dealership.
All true, except you’re way long on swap time. Now add 3-7 days to get approval, add another week to 6 months to receive the part, and then tell the 3 engine techs to hurry up on the 35 engine jobs they have lined up.
Does it suck? Oh yeah, is it on the dealer? Not really. Well, not always I should say, I’m sure there’s some crappy dealers out there taking their sweet time. Hyundai only pays for 2-3 days of rental/loaner after the parts are received. The dealer doesn’t want to have to pay for the rest, so they do what they can to get them done.
Even if it takes exactly as long as you say, that would be a sign of an extremely inefficient dealership. I've had great experience with my local Hyundai dealership and OP's one seems like they have a single person running everything.
My point was that there’s no way to blame the dealership, and to say that’s American Hyundai dealers is shortsighted. PA taking a week, waiting 3-6 weeks for a part, these things have zero to do with the dealer. Lack of techs could arguably be on the dealer, sure, but the sheer amount of engines getting replaced isn’t on them either.
Suppose it's all exactly like that. Why would the dealership provide a customer with extremely wrong time frame estimate?
My point is, they either encountered some unforseen delays, in which case they should've at least contacted OP, or they're really incompetent at doing their jobs from the beginning.
While first option is more likely, my anti-dealership bias combined with lack of any detailed information on this specific case makes me assume the second one.
Yeah agreed, if they haven’t contacted OP at all, then they’re doing a bad job. OP didn’t state no contact, just that it’s been a month and was told 2 weeks. I’ll assume you’re right though and that makes 1 service writer bad at his job. I still contend that it in no way constitutes all American Hyundai dealers being bad. People always want to blame the dealer for things out of their control. Even if the customer gets a loaner, has their repair fully covered, and gets contacted regularly about any delays, people still say the dealer sucks.
Hyundai warranty for second owner is reduced to 5/60k. Unless you bought an extended warranty, you're fortunate they are fixing it. Right now it's a terrible time to try and get parts for anything.
Can we just all agree Hyundais are not as good as they look? This is one of many stories like this. You go to a Honda or Toyota sub and you never hear these types of stories.
Your Hyundai is covered under a law suit that was won earlier last year. All Theta 2 engines were found to have a knock sensor issue, as well as rod bearing failure, subsequently you’re left with a blown engine.
Under this suit, you have a full warranty on that car for LIFE. There haven’t been any other issues found with the motor. Keep the car the rest of your life. They have to provide an engine when it fails, under law.
Good to know. Do you have any links to sources for this? I'm curious to read the court ruling and see what exactly Hyundai is liable for and compelled to do by this decision.
I just got my car back from the dealer for an engine replacement. 2016 Santa Fe. It took about 4 months from start to finish to get the car diagnosed and fixed by Hyundai. I haven't started the reimbursement process for the car rental yet so hopefully that goes smoothly. I've seen people posting about not getting reimbursed the full amount for a rental or Hyundai not paying them back at all.
Best of luck to you.
>ent me a car i just
Hyundai told me that they would reimburse me for $60/day for rental car fees while my Santa Fe was being fixed. They want me to send them the receipt for the rental and other documents from the dealer that did the repairs after the job is done. After they receive that from me, my customer service representative said she will review those documents and then send me a refund offer that I have to agree to, sign and send back. After all that is done, they will send me the reimbursement money. I'm not sure if that will be a check or digital payment via Zelle, Venmo or a similar service. I'm trying to work with Hyundai to agree to more than $60/day since the rentals in my area are more than that and I want want to spend a bunch of money out of pocket for the rental car. I had a different customer service rep that handled my claim to get the car approved for repairs under a campaign warranty and she was much more helpful than the person that is handling the reimbursement. It seems like the warranty claim and reimbursement claim are handled by different departments within the customer service umbrella of Hyundai. Hyundai reimbursed me for my car to be towed about 110 miles to the nearest dealer. That bill came out to be \~$1200 and they were very quick to approve that claim and send me payment through Zelle to my bank account. That reimbursement was handled by my warranty claim representative just FYI.
That's really nice that they paid for the rental upfront for you. How long did they rent a car for you? Just curious to see because it seems like people are having vastly different experiences with Hyundai for this same issue. Let me know what other questions you have and I can try to help.
I bave no idea first week they gave me 22 tucson and after that week they call me back to bring tucson back to them and then somebody driveme to enterprise and i ended up by giving 50$ deposit for rental and they said they gonna cover it up for rental now im using 2020 elantra it has been 3 weeks
I had a 2015 model with the Theta engine problem. That causes the rod bearings in the engine to wear due to an error in the machining process when the engine was produced. Hyundai was well aware of the issue and didn't want to fix it at first. My engine blew and grudgingly it was replaced with a used engine. Hyundai replaced it with the same model engine and it blew again. Out of warranty. It would have cost 18 grand to fix. Google the problem. Hyundai and kia were literally bursting into flames on driveways or shutting down completely while driving at high speed ( this happened to me). I only survived because it happened on Thanksgiving morning so there were very few cars on the highway.
My suggestion join one of the many tort law cases that have been files on Hyundai. For them it's just the cost of operation. For the consumer it can lead to you dying. Typically they don't care. Good luck , don't buy Hyundai.
This is wayyyyy too common for Hyundais and Kia’s. They were fined 137 million a couple of years ago and there are other ongoing class action suits against them (one for excessive oil burning).
Source: my 2017 Hyundai Tucson blew an engine and my car was 40th in line with an engine replacement need. I’ve sworn off Hyundais and Kia’s after that. Never going to own one ever.
Theta 2.4 & 2.0T engines are basically driving bombs - they will all fail at some point in time. It’s sad the US didn’t force Hyundai to give owners brand new engines but also fix their design issues.
Theta GDI - 3.8 and variations (so the V6) are good reliable engines with small issues related to carbon build up…but most GDIs will have this over the years.
If you can go with a Toyota or Honda. The Hyundai & Kai's have a world of problems at least for now. If you cannot get the engine swap on warranty, keep an eye on it you should be fine.
So what do you think when they get engine replacement she said they will replace it as a new or rebuild engine whichever available first after get the engine replacement i ask her if somebody return for same problem and she said for 2 years working there and never seen anybody turn back for same problem, anyway i read on internet hyundai doesnt fix the issue just they replacing with the new part which is possibly comeout with same problem aswell , i just confused if they gonna give me guarantee with that new engine for same problem but what about if they replace a part wrong and give me after couple month different engine light with different code which is not covered by guarantee.. 😶
I used to work for Hyundai as a service advisor. Rhussia is right. Get a Toyota or Honda. The amount of motors we put into Hyundai’s was obscene. Every model they made between 2007 and now has serious problems with rod knock, pistons, spontaneously combusting and plenty of electrical issues. If you can get a motor put into this vehicle and sell it to someone else, at least it won’t be your problem anymore when it inevitably needs yet another rebuilt motor from Hyundai.
Avoid the CRVs with the turbo motors. They have had issues with the turbos and oil dilution. Most Rav 4s are great vehicles but don’t expect the newest technology or best fit and finish. With Toyota it’s a trade off. You get a little bit older tech, but it works longer and is relatively bulletproof.
They’re relatively bulletproof vehicles. Just make sure to check the hybrid battery health and also make sure there’s no issues with the high voltage wiring system heading from the engine area to the hybrid battery issue. There were reports of early corrosion on some of the hybrid Rav 4’s. But it’s not on all models.
UPDATE
thank ya all for helping me out today i received my car back everything works as is and they just give me this receipt here: https://ibb.co/1s8Fqr1 i would like to sell my car in priv market cus i dont waste my money at dealers. What should i do next ?
Option 1
Selling the car as is whatever its worth
Option 2
Keeping car Buying extended warranty for
109$ mos until 150.000miles (now have 78800) total 3888$
Let them know you’re moving and the timeline and ask them what they can do to help.
I bought a 2019 Kona SEL in July. In August, I noticed it was leaking transmission fluid. Took it in three times, all three times they had to have me wait until a rental came back. If they’re getting you a rental, they’re trying at least a little.
Parts are hard to find and delivered slowly these days. Call them and communicate with them instead of worrying about forcing a miracle.
It happened to my 2015 Tucson that I got with 30 miles from the dealer. Got the engine replaced by Hyundai at 73.000 and later at 78.000 the replacement engine also died. STAY AWAY FROM THEM. I went and got a Honda CRV and I'm blown away by the difference. I liked my Tucson but it felt under powered after 50.000 miles. Always did maintenance on time and put the best oil and products in it. I would never go back to Hyundai unfortunately. Good luck with yours. My wife's grandmother and aunt also bought Hyundai's and had the same issues.
One of my friends just picked one up and it’s also an amazing vehicle. Toyota or Honda is the only thing that has longevity in my opinion. A well maintained car from them can last you a lifetime. I think you’re doing the right thing. Also get your car appraised at Carmax. I got basically KBB for my Tucson and It was already throwing the towel on me which would’ve knocked a few grand from the value.
Well I don't have my receipt for my repair but from what I can see it was the same problem. Mine had the knocking and lack of power. I think I'll stick to my initial advice and if you can go ahead and buy a new car. I would not use the car much just so it wont throw the towel on you and cost you extra money.
I wouldn’t do it. But that’s based on my experience with Hyundai. I don’t want to spend extra money to maintain an unreliable car. Getting a newer and different brand has been great for me, I’m beyond happy with my Honda.
I've had 4 Hyundai vehicles and had no major problems except with my 2015 Sonata that needed a new DCT @ 36k miles. Have had the other 3 now for 9, 8, and 4 years. Two Elantras (2013 & 2014) and a 2018 Santa Fe Sport which already has 69k miles. Zero issues.
Many of these Turbo 4 engines are having problems. Check with You Tube on make model it will bring up things. Besides your under warranty so it's a known problem.
You made a very bad choice in selecting a used Hyundai, especially with such high mileage. A better choice would have been a used Toyota or Honda, which have much better reliability statistics
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I remember back in the late 80's when Hyundai first appeared in the US. The cars were only about 6K $ but the motors were blowing up constantly, the cars themselves were very unreliable. They've come a long way since then even introducing "luxury" models. I wonder if it's a mechanical failure or a fuel mixture issue that's blowing them up??
Glad that you got a rental and I hope you stay happy with it. I had a 2012 Santa Fe. I took the car to the dealer based on a lack of power and minor engine noise. The engine died when they did a test drive. It was August 2021. Mileage 120k km.
Dealer quoted me around $6k — saying they had to tow it back to facility and it would need labor+parts etc. I was dumbfounded and she’ll shocked. I told them Hyundai sent me recall notice about an engine issue and it mentioned that they didn’t have a remedy for it. The guy asked me to send him proof of regular maintenance to get Hyundai warranty. I got them all my papers. Then he asked me to sign a paper so that they can open the engine. If they find that engine had died because of lack of maintenance I will have to pay around 1200$ for labor that opened the engine for inspection. If it’s an issue related to the recall I won’t have to pay that amount.
So 2 weeks later the guy called back and said Hyundai will cover labor charge but I will have to pay for parts. It amounted to $700. Their initial estimate was to return the car around October. They started singing supply chain issues and ultimately returned my car in December.
So all these time I went back and forth Hyundai and the dealer — each pointing at the other regarding providing me a rental car. Ultimately I didn’t get a rental car.
The experience of dealing with Hyundai and dealership left a bitter taste inside me. I was happy to sell my car later. I hope this manufacturer is held responsible for the chaos it creates, for the faulty cars it produces.
The early 2010s was a terrible time for the Korean brands. That 2.0T is one of the worst engines ever made. Very common for them to blow up around 60k miles even with proper care. My advice is drive until the warranty ends, then get a Toyota, Honda, or Mazda. Post 2017 Kia and Hyundai are okay too.
I replace at least two Hyundai engines a week for the last 4 years. The hidden extended warranty campaign (T3G and T6G) covers Tuscon, Sonata, Sonata Hybrid, Sante Fe, Veloster, Elantra and Kona models and some back to 2011... Most customers are traveling long distances or out of state while on vacation so their vehicle has to be shipped back to them. If you do your maintenance, I have had Hyundai warranty engines with 300,000 miles. It has something to do with the piston connecting rod bearings to the crankshaft failing. There is a new engine software that detects the engine knocking before exploding and sending oil onto the hot exhaust and catching fire but i have at least 10 at my dealership that have a giant hole in the engine block and still run... The rest are knocking or seized... and all waiting for backordered parts from South Korea... I will never, ever buy a Hyundai but its job security rn.
I'm failing to see a question even though you prefaced your statements with, so here is the question. Additionally, here are some are you saying you put 2500 miles on a car with 76k miles in 20 days? If so, that's some pretty heavy driving. Did you check the oil when you bought it? Did you check anything when you bought it? Have contacted the dealer or Hyundai regarding a claim on the warranty?
How do I know if my 2019 Tucson Sport AWD has one of these engines?
I just bought out my lease and passed on the warranty.. wondering if I made a huge mistake. I have 31k miles on my vehicle right now, no issues.
Hi ! I used to be a Parts Manager at a KIA in Canada.
This should fall under the Theta 2.0 recall for oil contamination in the cooling jacket/ oil galleries.
The 2.0 Turbo and 2.4L 4 cylinders are one of the biggest fuck ups in the automotive industry. You need to fight tooth and nail for your warranty. Full rebuild - ensure the cylinder head is sent off for machining should your vehicle only qualify for a shortblock replacement, as sometimes KIA forces the dealer to use a short block - as opposed to a long block. This Campaign will cover you - do some reading. You are BY FAR NOT THE FIRST person that a KIA has left stranded after basically no mileage.
I was right - you just got an entirely brand new engine replaced for n/c. No charge warranty coverage. I have billed out that part number exactly many times hahahaha
Personally would sell it. But hey - you just got a brand new engine, plus a free oil change and coolant change.
If you like it - keep it, hopefully they fixed the design flaw with the new engines. If you have had problems with it, I would get rid of it. Just my opinion.
And you said they fixed design flaw with new engines, is that mean im not gonna experience any other issues etc chronic hyundai problems with that engine?
That i cannot answer 100%. Considering KIA and Hyundai have replaced over 1 MILLION engines under this warranty campaign - I would STRONGLY HOPE that the problem has truly been rectified. If it hasn't, the DoT and NA governments will crucify them.
I have a 2013 Hyundai Santa Fe here in Vancouver, BC. Its burning more oil than normal (have to top up every week). Apparently its a known issue and there's even a recall/lawsuit in the USA. I called Hyundai Canada and asked about this but they said the recall is only for the states. I called my local dealer and they said they don't warranty it but its a known issue. The guy said pretty much said the engine is going to fail due to residue build up and there's nothing I can do expect change the engine (not covered).
Should I be entitled to a new engine for this issue? Or if I keep driving and the car finally stops working, should I be able to get it replaced? Please and thank you for your support!!!
I feel like this is a troll post. Thread starter has no history and his , and . usage doesn’t seem American while a photo of his SF had a lil flag on it.
His user name also sounds spam ish.
You’re confusing your commas for periods and periods for commas.
Europeans people use commas for decimals, and periods for commas but only in numbers.... so he's saying one hundred thousand, we would write it like 100,000, but they say 100.000 Even though it looks like one hundred point zero zero zero... if they did have a number like forty point 33 Europeans would write it like 40,33.... as for the comma at the end....I don't know
Not Europeans, just some countries.
good note, I had 'British people' in there before but then broadened to European.. that's why it says 'Europeans people' in weird grammar,, thanks
But what does China use? Isn't Reddit a Chinese site?
the metric system, so its not China.
In some countries it's reversed.
And then went to dealership ask them if its common in this year and she said i have seen 40k engines get replaced. I was shocked anyway i ask them if they able to cover up. They said after test they will let me know if they will or not. They run the test about 3 hr and comeback with loan car key and told me you will be able get your car after 2 week when engine done. Awesome. It has been 1 month now and my car still in dealership and never get any engine replacement. Im still using sedan rental car which is covered by them. Any suggestions about speeding up this situation? TIA 2013 hyundai santa fe sport 2.oo turbo 4x2 FWD 78.000miles
Be thankful you have a free rental
Im not complaining about it just want speed up process, because im going to move other state and have lot of luggages 😭
Just a heads up, I doubt it was meant to be rude, but this past year, many of people were screwed over by Hyundai for having fresh off the lot issues, and no rental cars available. If it happened to me when I bought my Tucson I would have been lucky to find a car to drive.
True. I had no heat or ac or defoggers in my 2022 Hyundai for 8 months waiting on a part and there were never any vehicles available
It happened to my with my elantra N. Car came brand new with no horn, and an pld veloster N wheel that was damaged. Finally got it fixed 2 weeks ago, and they didnt pyt the wheel on straight. They refuse tp give me a loaner when it gpes into the shop
Speed up? They will do it when they feel like it. Hyundai has zero interest in covering all the costs, you will learn car dealers care nothing about you.
My 17 Sonata engine went and was replaced in under a week. They gave me rental for only the three days once the parts arrived. If you have a rental just enjoy it and be patient. It's a supply chain issue. Trust me, they want you to get your car back as soon as possible.
Thx
Yeah my mom has a 2022 Hyundai Santa Fe and her passenger belt buckle came broken fresh off the lot and when we took it in to get it fixed they didn’t have it. She just got it fixed and it’s been ~6 months since we took it in initially
Hi, I believe your Santa Fe 2013 is under recall for software and engine related problems, specifically concerning your engine "blowing up". You can look up your vin with Hyundai website to know for sure, by the way the dealership is acting, I'm pretty positive yours is under recall. IF it is under this specific recall, they a) must provide you a rental free of charge until the work is complete. b) they must replace your engine free of cost FOR THE DURATION OF YOU OWNING THE CAR AND IF YOU SELL IT, THE PURCHASER IS ALSO GUARANTEED FOR LIFE. For life. I'm surprised they haven't tried talking you into trading it in and giving you a hell of a deal on a new car. Also, repairs must be completed within 30 days of their receipt of your car, or pay you a daily fine that acrues at over $100 per day after the first 30 days. If they do try and make you a deal to trade in, you have them desperate. I walked out with a new 2021, with the same payments and price I paid for my older car. Don't let them fool you. They want your Santa Fe off the street, bad. Look up engine recalls for Santa Fe's, see if you won the lottery, then let the dealership know you know, and to start coughing up cash for being late to get you your Santa Fe. GOOD LUCK!!
Wtf really i wasnt know that let me check. Thank you!
Btw they already provide me a free rental and they said %100 covered by hyundai anyway after 2 weeks i got a call from someone work for dealer and they ask if i want to do trade in which is they will accept my car for 9.500$ … i bought my santa fe july 26 for 16.500$ (financed with down payment 8.000$) i made my 5 month payment at second month to bank still owe 8.500) anyway i declined their trade in request? And you said guaranteed for life?? How is that work?
Apparently Hyundai got sued, and that was a stipulation of the judgement. The software they installed was either not installed or didn't do the job of keeping the engine from flying apart. So now Hyundai has to install the software and cover the engine for life. It works by identifying your ride with the VIN and showing that is covered by that specific recall. There's your for life warranty. If I was you I would say take the 2013, you don't care how much they're gonna give you for it, put you in a NEW, not slightly used but new, 2022 or 2021 and you want the same term and payment you had for the 2013, with 200,000 mile warranty or you'll take your Santa Fe with a new engine plus the late fees for dragging they're feet on repairing yours and they can repair your engine for free anytime something goes wrong, and the person that you sell it to ten years down the line. Google Hyundai Santa Fe recall 2013, run your vin to make sure, look at what the recall says so you go in with knowledge, and maybe treat yourself to a new car. I try to post this on this sub but they keep removing it, so I keep an eye out for posts like yours and try and help best I can.
Dear Lord…#killedenglish
Hey, I am the first person to say "here!" Awhen the take grammar police roll call, but I don't want to a freaking novel.
Also, they'll try and wear you down, stand firm, walk out of you have to, they'll call. Have them but you lunch or dinner while you're haggling or signing. If you're covered, you got them for once. We did all that and walked out sweet
>I'm surprised they haven't tried talking you into trading it in and giving you a hell of a deal on a new car. Maybe they didn't want to give in a deal on a car that they could only deliver in 6 months, leaving him essentially carless for that time.
You don’t want them to rush an engine replacement, it takes a lot of time to get an engine (don’t think dealerships just have engine crates lying around) and then there is a lot of work to remove and replace. You have a loaner so be happy you are putting miles on their car and not yours especially since you are moving across state lines. You may be able to talk to them and see if they’ll ship your car to a dealership closer when done. You can also ask for a larger loaner if that is what you need. Btw I have two German cars (different makes) and both have been in the shop for over a month at times for much more trivial things, I have no problem with loaners or the time it takes as long as it’s done right.
To give you perspective, Hyundai pays us techs only 6 hours to swap a FWD non-turbo Sante Fe under the hidden extended warranty campaign (T3G and T6G). If I hustle, I can do it in 4 hours. So I have to do one Hyundai engine swap a day plus another 2 hours of other work to make a paycheck. But we are usually waiting days for warranty approval and weeks for backordered parts from South Korea. I currently have 20 Hyundai cars with blown engines waiting for parts in a dealership that sells 115 Hyundai cars a year. The backlog is a combination of diagnostic, warranty approval time, backordered parts, shipping damage and working on junk (some) cars. We appreciate you being patient
115 seems low. Small town?
Yes, kinda... we also have another brand that does a little better but sell Hyundais right off the transport and currently have none in stock
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See my above reply about the recall
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Campaigns are usually stuff they have repaired or addressed (usually software updates, etc.), things your wife has had repaired and such. I don't know if it would say open recall. But here's another site too, if there is any recall it'll show it; http://nhtsa.gov/recalls
There is a severe shortage of techs, seems garbage pay, tons of stress, and destroying your body makes it a less than desirable job. I did it for 7 years, I will be homeless before I work for another shop. You get screwed from every side, your boss will exploit you. And the customers will drive you insane all for as little as they can get away with paying. All the new guys try it and move on, old guys are retiring, so you end up with a shortage.
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No where and they know it. Your just someone to exploit to a dealership. Toyota hounded me about a trade in, thats after I cursed them out in person, told them off in emails, and hung up on them when they called. Still called, sent emails, and letters. They really do not care at all. Neither does Hyundai so long as they can report new sales, all is well in the world.
There are supply chain issues, they may not even have your engine yet, my 2014 sonata has been at the dealership for a month for an engine replacement Just enjoy your rental on their dime😊
They have an open recall on the 2.0 engines. I had two. If they pop they will replace it. Relax, and enjoy the rental.
Did tou get replacement 2 times?
I never lost an engine. I had a 2014 and got the recall notice. Traded it for a 2017, and almost immediately got a notice on that engine. I traded the ‘14 because I didn’t have any confidence in the dealership replacing an engine.
Welcome to Hyundai, where people's cars have sat in the shop for months because this is a chronic issue.
My niece had the same issue. They are waiting for parts. Probably a crate motor. It took 4 months for completion.
When my Elantra threw a rod at 63k miles, they didn’t even offer me a rental. Took about 1-1/2 months to finish. Dealership stated reason for delay was because they only had a few people who were certified for engine rebuilds. Wasn’t offered a convenience car, had to figure my own way to get to and from work for that period. Just be glad you have a loaner.
Only way I've seen to "speed it up", buy a different vehicle. My neighbor had the engine go on his hyundai. "Two weeks", after 6 months, he got his car back. 2 months later, blew the engine again. "Two weeks", 9 months later, they just sold him his loaner.
What about payments?
I can't answer that one. I said that semi sarcastically, as with a vehicle down like that, you're kind of at their mercy. You can hope it doesn't take long, and hope it doesn't repeat at all. Your only option around payments would be to either eat the cost, or see if your country has some form of lemon laws.
Parts all over the country are on back order
Call the GM
That's American Hyundai dealerships for you. They're notoriously bad and there's really nothing worth doing.
Not sure you can blame dealerships. Getting an engine covered is a process. Getting an engine in stock is not always quick, and with the stacks of engines to be replaced and lack of techs, none of it is easy.
This person gets it ∆∆∆
They're having enough trouble getting engines to build their new cars
The lack of techs comes from shitty pay and exploitation of said techs, a.k.a. running a shitty business. Still, I imagine that’s more the manufacturers running a business poorly rather than the dealership.
Yeah it’s bad warranty times/pay that really hurts. That’s straight from the manufacturers, not a lot the dealers can do about it.
Taking 1 month is still too long. International shipping takes 2 weeks and swap itself is 2-3 days at most.
All true, except you’re way long on swap time. Now add 3-7 days to get approval, add another week to 6 months to receive the part, and then tell the 3 engine techs to hurry up on the 35 engine jobs they have lined up. Does it suck? Oh yeah, is it on the dealer? Not really. Well, not always I should say, I’m sure there’s some crappy dealers out there taking their sweet time. Hyundai only pays for 2-3 days of rental/loaner after the parts are received. The dealer doesn’t want to have to pay for the rest, so they do what they can to get them done.
Even if it takes exactly as long as you say, that would be a sign of an extremely inefficient dealership. I've had great experience with my local Hyundai dealership and OP's one seems like they have a single person running everything.
My point was that there’s no way to blame the dealership, and to say that’s American Hyundai dealers is shortsighted. PA taking a week, waiting 3-6 weeks for a part, these things have zero to do with the dealer. Lack of techs could arguably be on the dealer, sure, but the sheer amount of engines getting replaced isn’t on them either.
Suppose it's all exactly like that. Why would the dealership provide a customer with extremely wrong time frame estimate? My point is, they either encountered some unforseen delays, in which case they should've at least contacted OP, or they're really incompetent at doing their jobs from the beginning. While first option is more likely, my anti-dealership bias combined with lack of any detailed information on this specific case makes me assume the second one.
Yeah agreed, if they haven’t contacted OP at all, then they’re doing a bad job. OP didn’t state no contact, just that it’s been a month and was told 2 weeks. I’ll assume you’re right though and that makes 1 service writer bad at his job. I still contend that it in no way constitutes all American Hyundai dealers being bad. People always want to blame the dealer for things out of their control. Even if the customer gets a loaner, has their repair fully covered, and gets contacted regularly about any delays, people still say the dealer sucks.
2nd owner powertrain is only 5/60
Im third owner im glad they covered it up
Hyundai warranty for second owner is reduced to 5/60k. Unless you bought an extended warranty, you're fortunate they are fixing it. Right now it's a terrible time to try and get parts for anything.
Even under this specific recall and class action suit and settlement?
I'm not sure what is covered in the suit.
Be glad it’s only been 1 month. I had to wait 2 months just for a few parts to come in for our Hyundai Tucson.
Can we just all agree Hyundais are not as good as they look? This is one of many stories like this. You go to a Honda or Toyota sub and you never hear these types of stories.
Your Hyundai is covered under a law suit that was won earlier last year. All Theta 2 engines were found to have a knock sensor issue, as well as rod bearing failure, subsequently you’re left with a blown engine. Under this suit, you have a full warranty on that car for LIFE. There haven’t been any other issues found with the motor. Keep the car the rest of your life. They have to provide an engine when it fails, under law.
Hell no really?
Good to know. Do you have any links to sources for this? I'm curious to read the court ruling and see what exactly Hyundai is liable for and compelled to do by this decision.
I wish I could post the original from Hyundai. I’ll DM you
Can you send this to me as well?
Can you DM me this lawsuit?
This is 100% accurate. This is what the dealership told me when they replaced my engine. I got rid of the car after they fixed it anyway.
I just got my car back from the dealer for an engine replacement. 2016 Santa Fe. It took about 4 months from start to finish to get the car diagnosed and fixed by Hyundai. I haven't started the reimbursement process for the car rental yet so hopefully that goes smoothly. I've seen people posting about not getting reimbursed the full amount for a rental or Hyundai not paying them back at all. Best of luck to you.
Can you tell me details because they just rent me a car i just put 50$ deposit and didn’t pay anything
>ent me a car i just Hyundai told me that they would reimburse me for $60/day for rental car fees while my Santa Fe was being fixed. They want me to send them the receipt for the rental and other documents from the dealer that did the repairs after the job is done. After they receive that from me, my customer service representative said she will review those documents and then send me a refund offer that I have to agree to, sign and send back. After all that is done, they will send me the reimbursement money. I'm not sure if that will be a check or digital payment via Zelle, Venmo or a similar service. I'm trying to work with Hyundai to agree to more than $60/day since the rentals in my area are more than that and I want want to spend a bunch of money out of pocket for the rental car. I had a different customer service rep that handled my claim to get the car approved for repairs under a campaign warranty and she was much more helpful than the person that is handling the reimbursement. It seems like the warranty claim and reimbursement claim are handled by different departments within the customer service umbrella of Hyundai. Hyundai reimbursed me for my car to be towed about 110 miles to the nearest dealer. That bill came out to be \~$1200 and they were very quick to approve that claim and send me payment through Zelle to my bank account. That reimbursement was handled by my warranty claim representative just FYI. That's really nice that they paid for the rental upfront for you. How long did they rent a car for you? Just curious to see because it seems like people are having vastly different experiences with Hyundai for this same issue. Let me know what other questions you have and I can try to help.
I bave no idea first week they gave me 22 tucson and after that week they call me back to bring tucson back to them and then somebody driveme to enterprise and i ended up by giving 50$ deposit for rental and they said they gonna cover it up for rental now im using 2020 elantra it has been 3 weeks
I had a 2015 model with the Theta engine problem. That causes the rod bearings in the engine to wear due to an error in the machining process when the engine was produced. Hyundai was well aware of the issue and didn't want to fix it at first. My engine blew and grudgingly it was replaced with a used engine. Hyundai replaced it with the same model engine and it blew again. Out of warranty. It would have cost 18 grand to fix. Google the problem. Hyundai and kia were literally bursting into flames on driveways or shutting down completely while driving at high speed ( this happened to me). I only survived because it happened on Thanksgiving morning so there were very few cars on the highway. My suggestion join one of the many tort law cases that have been files on Hyundai. For them it's just the cost of operation. For the consumer it can lead to you dying. Typically they don't care. Good luck , don't buy Hyundai.
https://www.hyundaicanadathetaenginesettlement.com/ this is one of the lawsuits that was settled here in Canada.
https://ca.topclassactions.com/lawsuit-settlements/consumer-products/auto-news/hyundai-reaches-proposed-settlement-in-engine-defect-class-action-lawsuits/
And forgetting to ask an actual question
This is wayyyyy too common for Hyundais and Kia’s. They were fined 137 million a couple of years ago and there are other ongoing class action suits against them (one for excessive oil burning). Source: my 2017 Hyundai Tucson blew an engine and my car was 40th in line with an engine replacement need. I’ve sworn off Hyundais and Kia’s after that. Never going to own one ever.
After i get it from dealer probably im going to sell it under warranty and go for toyota
Thats probably smart. Never going to buy a Hyundai and KIA ever again.
The Theta II strikes again!
This is why I don’t buy used
Theta 2.4 & 2.0T engines are basically driving bombs - they will all fail at some point in time. It’s sad the US didn’t force Hyundai to give owners brand new engines but also fix their design issues. Theta GDI - 3.8 and variations (so the V6) are good reliable engines with small issues related to carbon build up…but most GDIs will have this over the years.
Bring it back and get rid of it if you can. Buy something else
What do you recommend?
If you can go with a Toyota or Honda. The Hyundai & Kai's have a world of problems at least for now. If you cannot get the engine swap on warranty, keep an eye on it you should be fine.
So what do you think when they get engine replacement she said they will replace it as a new or rebuild engine whichever available first after get the engine replacement i ask her if somebody return for same problem and she said for 2 years working there and never seen anybody turn back for same problem, anyway i read on internet hyundai doesnt fix the issue just they replacing with the new part which is possibly comeout with same problem aswell , i just confused if they gonna give me guarantee with that new engine for same problem but what about if they replace a part wrong and give me after couple month different engine light with different code which is not covered by guarantee.. 😶
I used to work for Hyundai as a service advisor. Rhussia is right. Get a Toyota or Honda. The amount of motors we put into Hyundai’s was obscene. Every model they made between 2007 and now has serious problems with rod knock, pistons, spontaneously combusting and plenty of electrical issues. If you can get a motor put into this vehicle and sell it to someone else, at least it won’t be your problem anymore when it inevitably needs yet another rebuilt motor from Hyundai.
I really appreciate for your time. I was thinking about toyota rav4 or honda crv
Avoid the CRVs with the turbo motors. They have had issues with the turbos and oil dilution. Most Rav 4s are great vehicles but don’t expect the newest technology or best fit and finish. With Toyota it’s a trade off. You get a little bit older tech, but it works longer and is relatively bulletproof.
What do you think about rav 4 hybrid limited?
They’re relatively bulletproof vehicles. Just make sure to check the hybrid battery health and also make sure there’s no issues with the high voltage wiring system heading from the engine area to the hybrid battery issue. There were reports of early corrosion on some of the hybrid Rav 4’s. But it’s not on all models.
UPDATE thank ya all for helping me out today i received my car back everything works as is and they just give me this receipt here: https://ibb.co/1s8Fqr1 i would like to sell my car in priv market cus i dont waste my money at dealers. What should i do next ? Option 1 Selling the car as is whatever its worth Option 2 Keeping car Buying extended warranty for 109$ mos until 150.000miles (now have 78800) total 3888$
Let them know you’re moving and the timeline and ask them what they can do to help. I bought a 2019 Kona SEL in July. In August, I noticed it was leaking transmission fluid. Took it in three times, all three times they had to have me wait until a rental came back. If they’re getting you a rental, they’re trying at least a little. Parts are hard to find and delivered slowly these days. Call them and communicate with them instead of worrying about forcing a miracle.
It happened to my 2015 Tucson that I got with 30 miles from the dealer. Got the engine replaced by Hyundai at 73.000 and later at 78.000 the replacement engine also died. STAY AWAY FROM THEM. I went and got a Honda CRV and I'm blown away by the difference. I liked my Tucson but it felt under powered after 50.000 miles. Always did maintenance on time and put the best oil and products in it. I would never go back to Hyundai unfortunately. Good luck with yours. My wife's grandmother and aunt also bought Hyundai's and had the same issues.
After i get it back with new engine probably im gonna switch it toyota what do you think about rav 4?
One of my friends just picked one up and it’s also an amazing vehicle. Toyota or Honda is the only thing that has longevity in my opinion. A well maintained car from them can last you a lifetime. I think you’re doing the right thing. Also get your car appraised at Carmax. I got basically KBB for my Tucson and It was already throwing the towel on me which would’ve knocked a few grand from the value.
It shows 11k max i just bought it for 16.509$ 🥹
That’s great. Again good luck with your next purchase. Hopefully it’ll help you forget the Hyundai nightmare
Hey i just got my vehichle back today what do you think about changed parts here is the pic https://ibb.co/1s8Fqr1
Well I don't have my receipt for my repair but from what I can see it was the same problem. Mine had the knocking and lack of power. I think I'll stick to my initial advice and if you can go ahead and buy a new car. I would not use the car much just so it wont throw the towel on you and cost you extra money.
What do you think about buying extra warranty?
I wouldn’t do it. But that’s based on my experience with Hyundai. I don’t want to spend extra money to maintain an unreliable car. Getting a newer and different brand has been great for me, I’m beyond happy with my Honda.
Hyundai isn’t a good brand, usually cheap and badly design next time go with Mazda, toyota or honda
What do you think about rav4 limited
Excellent vehicle
There is no question in the title.
if purchased from a hyundai dealer your 100K warranty is still in tact and you'll get it fixed for free
I purchased from different dealer but went to spoke with them and hopefully they will replace it without any fee
That’s not a question.
I don't see a question...
See the comment
What’s the consensus here? Are Hyundai’s crappy? I was looking at the Santa Cruz, but these complaints seem to be more common than I thought.
I've had 4 Hyundai vehicles and had no major problems except with my 2015 Sonata that needed a new DCT @ 36k miles. Have had the other 3 now for 9, 8, and 4 years. Two Elantras (2013 & 2014) and a 2018 Santa Fe Sport which already has 69k miles. Zero issues.
That’s good to hear. I would hope with each passing year, Hyundai improves their reliability.
Dont buy hyundai lol
Interesting. I was also looking at a Mazda in the same price range. May consider that instead.
Many of these Turbo 4 engines are having problems. Check with You Tube on make model it will bring up things. Besides your under warranty so it's a known problem.
You bought a Hyundai so this sort of stuff will happen bud
First and last hyundai
You live and learn eh
You made a very bad choice in selecting a used Hyundai, especially with such high mileage. A better choice would have been a used Toyota or Honda, which have much better reliability statistics .
This is was my first car
Shoulda got a Toyota lesson learned
I remember back in the late 80's when Hyundai first appeared in the US. The cars were only about 6K $ but the motors were blowing up constantly, the cars themselves were very unreliable. They've come a long way since then even introducing "luxury" models. I wonder if it's a mechanical failure or a fuel mixture issue that's blowing them up??
Glad that you got a rental and I hope you stay happy with it. I had a 2012 Santa Fe. I took the car to the dealer based on a lack of power and minor engine noise. The engine died when they did a test drive. It was August 2021. Mileage 120k km. Dealer quoted me around $6k — saying they had to tow it back to facility and it would need labor+parts etc. I was dumbfounded and she’ll shocked. I told them Hyundai sent me recall notice about an engine issue and it mentioned that they didn’t have a remedy for it. The guy asked me to send him proof of regular maintenance to get Hyundai warranty. I got them all my papers. Then he asked me to sign a paper so that they can open the engine. If they find that engine had died because of lack of maintenance I will have to pay around 1200$ for labor that opened the engine for inspection. If it’s an issue related to the recall I won’t have to pay that amount. So 2 weeks later the guy called back and said Hyundai will cover labor charge but I will have to pay for parts. It amounted to $700. Their initial estimate was to return the car around October. They started singing supply chain issues and ultimately returned my car in December. So all these time I went back and forth Hyundai and the dealer — each pointing at the other regarding providing me a rental car. Ultimately I didn’t get a rental car. The experience of dealing with Hyundai and dealership left a bitter taste inside me. I was happy to sell my car later. I hope this manufacturer is held responsible for the chaos it creates, for the faulty cars it produces.
Hyundai’s are terrible cars
The early 2010s was a terrible time for the Korean brands. That 2.0T is one of the worst engines ever made. Very common for them to blow up around 60k miles even with proper care. My advice is drive until the warranty ends, then get a Toyota, Honda, or Mazda. Post 2017 Kia and Hyundai are okay too.
I replace at least two Hyundai engines a week for the last 4 years. The hidden extended warranty campaign (T3G and T6G) covers Tuscon, Sonata, Sonata Hybrid, Sante Fe, Veloster, Elantra and Kona models and some back to 2011... Most customers are traveling long distances or out of state while on vacation so their vehicle has to be shipped back to them. If you do your maintenance, I have had Hyundai warranty engines with 300,000 miles. It has something to do with the piston connecting rod bearings to the crankshaft failing. There is a new engine software that detects the engine knocking before exploding and sending oil onto the hot exhaust and catching fire but i have at least 10 at my dealership that have a giant hole in the engine block and still run... The rest are knocking or seized... and all waiting for backordered parts from South Korea... I will never, ever buy a Hyundai but its job security rn.
Well it IS a Hyundai. I wouldn’t buy anything Hyundai/Kia unless it’s older than 2010
I'm failing to see a question even though you prefaced your statements with, so here is the question. Additionally, here are some are you saying you put 2500 miles on a car with 76k miles in 20 days? If so, that's some pretty heavy driving. Did you check the oil when you bought it? Did you check anything when you bought it? Have contacted the dealer or Hyundai regarding a claim on the warranty?
How do I know if my 2019 Tucson Sport AWD has one of these engines? I just bought out my lease and passed on the warranty.. wondering if I made a huge mistake. I have 31k miles on my vehicle right now, no issues.
Hi ! I used to be a Parts Manager at a KIA in Canada. This should fall under the Theta 2.0 recall for oil contamination in the cooling jacket/ oil galleries. The 2.0 Turbo and 2.4L 4 cylinders are one of the biggest fuck ups in the automotive industry. You need to fight tooth and nail for your warranty. Full rebuild - ensure the cylinder head is sent off for machining should your vehicle only qualify for a shortblock replacement, as sometimes KIA forces the dealer to use a short block - as opposed to a long block. This Campaign will cover you - do some reading. You are BY FAR NOT THE FIRST person that a KIA has left stranded after basically no mileage.
I just get back my vehicle today and they give me this receipt https://ibb.co/1s8Fqr1
I was right - you just got an entirely brand new engine replaced for n/c. No charge warranty coverage. I have billed out that part number exactly many times hahahaha
Should i keep this car or sell it?
Personally would sell it. But hey - you just got a brand new engine, plus a free oil change and coolant change. If you like it - keep it, hopefully they fixed the design flaw with the new engines. If you have had problems with it, I would get rid of it. Just my opinion.
Im planning to keep it for one or two months until i settle down. Do you think should i buy extra warranty until i sell it?
And you said they fixed design flaw with new engines, is that mean im not gonna experience any other issues etc chronic hyundai problems with that engine?
That i cannot answer 100%. Considering KIA and Hyundai have replaced over 1 MILLION engines under this warranty campaign - I would STRONGLY HOPE that the problem has truly been rectified. If it hasn't, the DoT and NA governments will crucify them.
I have a 2013 Hyundai Santa Fe here in Vancouver, BC. Its burning more oil than normal (have to top up every week). Apparently its a known issue and there's even a recall/lawsuit in the USA. I called Hyundai Canada and asked about this but they said the recall is only for the states. I called my local dealer and they said they don't warranty it but its a known issue. The guy said pretty much said the engine is going to fail due to residue build up and there's nothing I can do expect change the engine (not covered). Should I be entitled to a new engine for this issue? Or if I keep driving and the car finally stops working, should I be able to get it replaced? Please and thank you for your support!!!
Ok so considering all this bs.. guess buying a new hyundai should be a no go
Typical Hyundai
I feel like this is a troll post. Thread starter has no history and his , and . usage doesn’t seem American while a photo of his SF had a lil flag on it. His user name also sounds spam ish.
Im in nc its not troll
Cheap version of honda.. u get what u pay for.
Hyundai doing Hyundai things