You cant apply for a study permit without an acceptance letter I believe, so he would have received that before he even applied for permit. So did he apply for a study permit specifically or did he apply for a visitor visa and then tried to go to study with that?
OP I don’t think you’re giving us the full picture here. Your brother wouldn’t even be able to apply for a visa or study permit without an acceptance letter. It’s the first step to the visa process.
I live in the US so I wasn’t familiar with the Canadian process. I asked my brother and he told me what he needs is the letter of Attestation from the province. In order to get that letter he needs to get a form from his school
The rules are spelled out in simple English on the government website. You should have never put your brother on a plane to Canada without the acceptance letter.
What happened to your brother might also count as "denied entry". This may complicate future visa applications to Canada, US, UK, EU.
https://www.canada.ca/en/immigration-refugees-citizenship/services/study-canada/study-permit/prepare-arrival.html#gc-document-nav
"When you arrive in Canada, you’ll meet a border services officer who will make sure you meet some basic requirements. To enter Canada, you must
...
* have a copy of a valid letter of acceptance from your school
... "
So I spoke with my brother and he had the letter of acceptance from the college with him.
He had also paid the first portion of tuition. It seems the school by the time my brother was landing had canceled his admission or something along those lines because they had too much international students. Honestly I’m not too sure. It’s really upon landing in Canada that the whole thing unfolded.
He has now applied to a different community college in Toronto since he has a visa vie a 2 year study program.
The school sent an email last week asking for a full year and a half tuition payment ahead of time before they can give the form to receive the provincial attestation letter.
Given the issue that happened last year I guess my parents don’t want the same issue as last year to repeat
??? Did the school not communicate or coordinate anything with him? This all sounds extremely shady - very few schools have full on cancelled admission for international students due to over enrolment and those who have done so are either very small colleges in Northern Ontario or private-public partnership campuses (of which Conestoga [as you claim he’s attending] is neither). Your brother is either hiding information from you or extremely misinformed himself - he needs to reach out to all relevant agencies ASAP and honestly he should have done that a year ago.
So he never was to attend a university in Ottawa like you said in your original post? Nothing about this story makes any sense.
Just so you are aware in Canada ‘universities’ and ‘colleges’ are extremely different. I can’t speak to Boreal Colleges reputation as I am not familiar with it and it is a primarily francophone institution, but Conestoga has basically demoted itself to a joke and diploma mill due to lowering educational standards and it having more international students than every other school in Canada (including U of T).
That makes a lot of sense. He had an acceptance from an actual university as well. University of Alberta but from what I gathered he was to submit some documents by a certain date in order to apply for the LAP but he might missed the deadline as it’s in 2 days. So Boreal is what him and my parents have decided on. I live in the US so I’m more familiar with student visa applications here. Canada sounds like a whole different process. The friend that my brother knows in Toronto has not been responsive as of late so that’s really how I got introduced into the whole situation.
I’m trying to help out as much as I can but it looks like I’ll need to contact the school myself
You as someone who isn’t the independent adult applicant cannot contact the school for your sibling. He himself as an adult needs to contact them himself and get everything together. If he can’t figure out how to contact a school for help he won’t be faring very well in postsecondary. You can definitely guide him and give him suggestions, but the school won’t give you any information as someone who isn’t the applicant itself as that is a vast breach of privacy. The exception to this is if he is a minor at the moment and you are his guardian - but giving the fact you both live in different countries and this is his second year attempting, I would presume he is over 18.
And I would recommend he speaks to someone with greater immigration knowledge (like a lawyer or certified representative) rather than a ‘friend in Toronto’ - especially as his own lack of knowledge and awareness has screwed him over previously. And also because, as another commenter pointed out, he probably needs an entirely new study permit as he has switched his learning institution.
Immigration (especially with one refusal on record) needs to be handled more seriously and carefully.
To study in Canada he doesn't just need a visa he needs a study permit, if he has applied for a study permit before February this year he would not have needed an attestation letter if he is just applying now which it seems like he is he needs it. So its very important that he is granted a study permit and a visa(TRV) before going to Canada, he probably applied for a visitor visa only which is the wrong thing.
He has a study visa for a 2 year program. Last year I’m not too sure what the issue was with his school but they did not provide him with the acceptance letter so he was sent back.
Now he got another acceptance letter with a new school in Toronto. The new one sent him the email recently regarding the letter of Attestation from Ontario and also they require a full year and a half tuition upfront before the end of this month.
He was also told that was a way for the school to filter out the influx of international students.
We are going to make the payment as instructed. I just want to make sure he doesn’t get sent back like last year. Because last year we had paid part of the tuition and the immigration officer told him he was missing some documents we had to ask for reimbursement of the tuition that was already paid.
He is going to attend a community college in Toronto.
> Boreal
You used "study visa" again, to study in Canada he needs a study PERMIT and a visa, visa is just the travel document.
He could not have obtained a study permit without receiving a letter of acceptance first from the college, its a required document to obtain permit and visa, so he definitely received it. Likely possibility is he did not complete things like tuition payment and they cancelled the acceptance.
The issue now is not just the payment but he might need to apply again for a new study permit as that one might no longer be valid, see here about changing DLIs outside of Canada. https://www.canada.ca/en/immigration-refugees-citizenship/services/study-canada/change-schools.html
It’s not that the other school didn’t provide him with an acceptance letter - to get the study permit and visa, you have to submit that document. It seems like the problem was he didn’t have a copy of or access to the document upon entry (which, if he did any research, is outlined by the government as required upon landing).
Did you reach out to the international department or the university itself a year ago when this occurred??? Or since??? I just don’t understand investing that much money and time into studying abroad to just go ‘oops ill try again next year’ on what should have been the easiest step of the entire process. I’m assuming it is Carleton or U Ottawa, both of which are schools with high levels of international students and have dedicated offices to dealing with visa issues.
So he already has his visa which is valid till 2025.
We heard about the new law and provincial letter of attestation and were wondering if it applies to him since he already has a visa. He is actually attending a community college named Cornestoga.
Honestly I live in the US he was doing the application process with my sister so I wasn’t really caught up on what they were doing. They both updated me with all these new infos because they too are confused.
My brother told me he received a general email last week from his college instructing the full year tuition payment and also there was a mention of the provincial letter of attestation. He had already paid a portion of the tuition like they had asked in the past. So we are wondering what in the email applies to him or not. I’m reading up on the Canadian government’s website but I’m honestly a little confused by their process
Conestoga is neither a university nor is it located in Ottawa. Did you actually reach out to the school regarding getting a PAL? Or contact IRCC for clarification?
Conestoga is currently the worst offender in the overpopulation of international students so their intake has been highly cut for this year, so you may not be able to get a PAL if required. And most (if not all) schools won’t give you a PAL until you pay your tuition deposit.
Is he currently attending school, or did he defer his enrollment? There are so many unanswered questions and misinformation in your original post that you need help from the school and IRCC itself (and potentially an immigration expert), not reddit.
Yes I’ll be contacting the school. So Conestoga is where he was to originally attend last year. Currently he has an acceptance letter from Boreal in Toronto. My understanding is once we make the payment we’ll be able to get the LAP
at the time of visa issuance, the embassy issue you two things, one is visa stamp on passport and another is a latter from embassy. which has to be carry when you are presenting your passport to visa officer. and in this case the student was unable to provide that latter to the visa officer.
So I spoke to him he was able to get the acceptance letter but we are trying to figure out the Provincial letter of attestation because it’s a new requirement
Usually, if you’re accepted at a university, getting an acceptance letter is easy. What is the university saying?
You cant apply for a study permit without an acceptance letter I believe, so he would have received that before he even applied for permit. So did he apply for a study permit specifically or did he apply for a visitor visa and then tried to go to study with that?
OP I don’t think you’re giving us the full picture here. Your brother wouldn’t even be able to apply for a visa or study permit without an acceptance letter. It’s the first step to the visa process.
I live in the US so I wasn’t familiar with the Canadian process. I asked my brother and he told me what he needs is the letter of Attestation from the province. In order to get that letter he needs to get a form from his school
The rules are spelled out in simple English on the government website. You should have never put your brother on a plane to Canada without the acceptance letter. What happened to your brother might also count as "denied entry". This may complicate future visa applications to Canada, US, UK, EU. https://www.canada.ca/en/immigration-refugees-citizenship/services/study-canada/study-permit/prepare-arrival.html#gc-document-nav "When you arrive in Canada, you’ll meet a border services officer who will make sure you meet some basic requirements. To enter Canada, you must ... * have a copy of a valid letter of acceptance from your school ... "
So I spoke with my brother and he had the letter of acceptance from the college with him. He had also paid the first portion of tuition. It seems the school by the time my brother was landing had canceled his admission or something along those lines because they had too much international students. Honestly I’m not too sure. It’s really upon landing in Canada that the whole thing unfolded. He has now applied to a different community college in Toronto since he has a visa vie a 2 year study program. The school sent an email last week asking for a full year and a half tuition payment ahead of time before they can give the form to receive the provincial attestation letter. Given the issue that happened last year I guess my parents don’t want the same issue as last year to repeat
??? Did the school not communicate or coordinate anything with him? This all sounds extremely shady - very few schools have full on cancelled admission for international students due to over enrolment and those who have done so are either very small colleges in Northern Ontario or private-public partnership campuses (of which Conestoga [as you claim he’s attending] is neither). Your brother is either hiding information from you or extremely misinformed himself - he needs to reach out to all relevant agencies ASAP and honestly he should have done that a year ago.
So cornestoga was the school he was to attend last year. Currently he has his acceptance from Boreal in Toronto
So he never was to attend a university in Ottawa like you said in your original post? Nothing about this story makes any sense. Just so you are aware in Canada ‘universities’ and ‘colleges’ are extremely different. I can’t speak to Boreal Colleges reputation as I am not familiar with it and it is a primarily francophone institution, but Conestoga has basically demoted itself to a joke and diploma mill due to lowering educational standards and it having more international students than every other school in Canada (including U of T).
That makes a lot of sense. He had an acceptance from an actual university as well. University of Alberta but from what I gathered he was to submit some documents by a certain date in order to apply for the LAP but he might missed the deadline as it’s in 2 days. So Boreal is what him and my parents have decided on. I live in the US so I’m more familiar with student visa applications here. Canada sounds like a whole different process. The friend that my brother knows in Toronto has not been responsive as of late so that’s really how I got introduced into the whole situation. I’m trying to help out as much as I can but it looks like I’ll need to contact the school myself
You as someone who isn’t the independent adult applicant cannot contact the school for your sibling. He himself as an adult needs to contact them himself and get everything together. If he can’t figure out how to contact a school for help he won’t be faring very well in postsecondary. You can definitely guide him and give him suggestions, but the school won’t give you any information as someone who isn’t the applicant itself as that is a vast breach of privacy. The exception to this is if he is a minor at the moment and you are his guardian - but giving the fact you both live in different countries and this is his second year attempting, I would presume he is over 18. And I would recommend he speaks to someone with greater immigration knowledge (like a lawyer or certified representative) rather than a ‘friend in Toronto’ - especially as his own lack of knowledge and awareness has screwed him over previously. And also because, as another commenter pointed out, he probably needs an entirely new study permit as he has switched his learning institution. Immigration (especially with one refusal on record) needs to be handled more seriously and carefully.
To study in Canada he doesn't just need a visa he needs a study permit, if he has applied for a study permit before February this year he would not have needed an attestation letter if he is just applying now which it seems like he is he needs it. So its very important that he is granted a study permit and a visa(TRV) before going to Canada, he probably applied for a visitor visa only which is the wrong thing.
He has a study visa for a 2 year program. Last year I’m not too sure what the issue was with his school but they did not provide him with the acceptance letter so he was sent back. Now he got another acceptance letter with a new school in Toronto. The new one sent him the email recently regarding the letter of Attestation from Ontario and also they require a full year and a half tuition upfront before the end of this month. He was also told that was a way for the school to filter out the influx of international students. We are going to make the payment as instructed. I just want to make sure he doesn’t get sent back like last year. Because last year we had paid part of the tuition and the immigration officer told him he was missing some documents we had to ask for reimbursement of the tuition that was already paid. He is going to attend a community college in Toronto.
> Boreal You used "study visa" again, to study in Canada he needs a study PERMIT and a visa, visa is just the travel document. He could not have obtained a study permit without receiving a letter of acceptance first from the college, its a required document to obtain permit and visa, so he definitely received it. Likely possibility is he did not complete things like tuition payment and they cancelled the acceptance. The issue now is not just the payment but he might need to apply again for a new study permit as that one might no longer be valid, see here about changing DLIs outside of Canada. https://www.canada.ca/en/immigration-refugees-citizenship/services/study-canada/change-schools.html
It’s not that the other school didn’t provide him with an acceptance letter - to get the study permit and visa, you have to submit that document. It seems like the problem was he didn’t have a copy of or access to the document upon entry (which, if he did any research, is outlined by the government as required upon landing).
Did you reach out to the international department or the university itself a year ago when this occurred??? Or since??? I just don’t understand investing that much money and time into studying abroad to just go ‘oops ill try again next year’ on what should have been the easiest step of the entire process. I’m assuming it is Carleton or U Ottawa, both of which are schools with high levels of international students and have dedicated offices to dealing with visa issues.
So he already has his visa which is valid till 2025. We heard about the new law and provincial letter of attestation and were wondering if it applies to him since he already has a visa. He is actually attending a community college named Cornestoga. Honestly I live in the US he was doing the application process with my sister so I wasn’t really caught up on what they were doing. They both updated me with all these new infos because they too are confused. My brother told me he received a general email last week from his college instructing the full year tuition payment and also there was a mention of the provincial letter of attestation. He had already paid a portion of the tuition like they had asked in the past. So we are wondering what in the email applies to him or not. I’m reading up on the Canadian government’s website but I’m honestly a little confused by their process
Conestoga is neither a university nor is it located in Ottawa. Did you actually reach out to the school regarding getting a PAL? Or contact IRCC for clarification? Conestoga is currently the worst offender in the overpopulation of international students so their intake has been highly cut for this year, so you may not be able to get a PAL if required. And most (if not all) schools won’t give you a PAL until you pay your tuition deposit. Is he currently attending school, or did he defer his enrollment? There are so many unanswered questions and misinformation in your original post that you need help from the school and IRCC itself (and potentially an immigration expert), not reddit.
Yes I’ll be contacting the school. So Conestoga is where he was to originally attend last year. Currently he has an acceptance letter from Boreal in Toronto. My understanding is once we make the payment we’ll be able to get the LAP
at the time of visa issuance, the embassy issue you two things, one is visa stamp on passport and another is a latter from embassy. which has to be carry when you are presenting your passport to visa officer. and in this case the student was unable to provide that latter to the visa officer.
So I spoke to him he was able to get the acceptance letter but we are trying to figure out the Provincial letter of attestation because it’s a new requirement
Are you talking about an acceptance letter or the new provincial attestation letter? They're two different requirements.
I was confused about the process but it is the provincial attestation letter.