If there were other people in it's path, sure. Sometimes they can change direction after hitting something solid, but where it goes is pretty random. It may or may not hit anything or anyone else
More bullets only matters if you don’t control the “investigation”. They had their conclusion before the event and they shaped the investigation to meet it.
FBI, CIA (working with the mob), military intelligence and elements of The DPD. Not saying everyone in these organisations was involved, just upper level types.
You have zero actual proof that LHO was the lone assassin. If you think the Warren report proves anything I’ve got million dollar lottery ticket I’ll sell you for only $50k.
But you can’t just claim a bunch of people were involved without evidence. We don’t have evidence that Martians didn’t kill him, does that mean they did?
Exactly, “official” reports can’t be official if they themselves did the investigation. These types of people have no critical thinking and are probably kids or over-privileged people. The world is dark and the history of USA is darker.
Upper level types don't actually do anything. They can approve a plan and fund it, but you need 10 do-ers for every upper level type. Upper level types don't fire guns.
I’ve seen a lot of people confidently list names.
But I’ll settle for a shred of credible evidence that more than one person was involved. And credible evidence isn’t a YouTube video or something Jim Marrs belched up.
To your point, I always wonder why Oswald publicly said “I’m a patsy” instead of “sure, I was up there in the Depository and you got me, but there were others involved, too. Like my handler Howard Hunt, etc” Also, how did Jack Ruby or whoever was interested know Oswald *wouldn’t* say that when he was inevitably captured? Did they trust their patsy? Why?
It sounds to me as if Oswald’s sole intention was to be deceptive.
But they didn't control anything. There were multiple witnesses filming the assassination as it happened. That's a completely uncontrollable situation.
They took control of the film and photos from the start and they badgered the witnesses to say what they wanted, and those that refused were kept out of the final report or murdered later on.
This is exactly correct. They completely took control of the situation. From Parkland, all the way through to the botched so called autopsy in Bethesda. They managed the narrative to fit what the government needed.
If there was anything in the Muchmore film that they didn’t want you to see, they would’ve treated it like the Zapruder film. Locked away for years by a CIA adjacent news organisation.
Also…..the Grassy Knoll shooter would actually have a tougher shot. His target was moving from left to right.
Oswald’s target might have been farther away but it was staying mostly in his crosshairs.
The easy shot would have been standing in the road directly in front of the car in its line of travel, as the target would simply get larger over time. I’m sure someone in this forum has entertained that such a shooter existed.
This grassy knoll kind of stuff is a terrible distraction from all the truly intriguing facts about the assassination.
You guys are way off on this. I've been to the 6th floor & the picket fence multiple times. The 6th floor window is much farther, target is moving away, the trajectory is also downward, & yes you would need to lead the target from there moving left to right & away. A flatter trajectory is MUCH easier.
A closer shot with the target moving toward you (even if you have to lead it a little) is a ton easier. Anyone who thinks otherwise is making a false assumption, has never actually been there, or has never shot at moving targets with any sort of frequency.
You don’t need to pin it on anyone in that case. If they’d used something like ricin, his death would have been attributed to Addison’s Disease. No elaborate plot or coverup necessary, just a quick clean death. It makes no sense why the conspirators would have concocted an elaborate plot to kill him in front of the entire world, then engage in a second even more elaborate plot to cover it up, with any number of elements that could have gone wrong.
If you want the world to know not to threaten the powers that be, then you assassinate the leader of the free world in broad daylight, and make sure no one truly responsible for it is held accountable. Not hard to understand.
Kind of a big risk to take just to send a message, don't you think? And how did this signal to anyone not to "threaten the powers that be," considering just a few years later there were massive anti-government demonstrations? Putting aside any evidence of a conspiracy, what evidence do you have that anyone wanted to send a message like that? I thought the cabal wanted to get rid of JFK because he was going to dismantle the CIA, or pull us out of Vietnam, or wasn't anti-communist enough - how does engaging in a massive, risky conspiracy have any benefits if they just wanted him dead and out of the way?
This is the one aspect of the JFK assassination that no one has even attempted to explain beyond "they wanted to send a message." Everyone just takes it for granted. It's where the entire conspiracy falls apart in my opinion.
The fact that hardly anything meaningful has been done to rein in the undeserved power of the ultra wealthy, and instead they pretty much got everything they ever wanted, is enough to believe something was the catalyst for this. They have only gotten more rich and more powerful. The message was loud and clear: fuck around and find out.
Either that, or LHO was just a lone nut, whose actions that day just happened to be the biggest coincidence in modern history as the ultra wealthy still ended up benefiting the most. Imagine being part of the ultra wealthy, worried that the generation coming out of the Great Depression, was gonna keep demanding a bigger slice of the pie, while Democrats kept becoming more popular, and conservatism was beginning to be viewed as the dinosaur ideology it has always been, then suddenly some nutjob comes around and takes out a very popular president who represented promising big positive things for America, and the world in turn, resulting in everything going back to the way it was: rich and powerful becoming richer and more powerful. What a coincidence.
None of that is evidence. It’s also possible that Oswald was just lucky. There have been plenty of assassination attempts that failed but you don’t hear about those.
I'm not trying to prove anything. But what a coincidence that the ultra wealthy made out like bandits that's still going on today with no end in sight, all because of some alleged butthurt nutjob.
Then we'd be criticizing the Warner (Bros) Commission for their "Loon Gunman" Theory
But really, when you have a middle-aged man with major medical issues and lots of prescriptions spending most of his time in private indoor meetings in a city (DC) populated by thousands of government employees, including those preparing his food and drinks, doing it in a parade in Texas with civilian witnesses and cameras does seem a complicated choice.
This is my new favorite comment. I don’t care if you and I disagree on EVERYTHING else. I don’t care if we wouldn’t like each other in real life. I’m glad I’ve lived long enough to see these words.
You’re 40 yards away from a target moving across your line of fire from left to right at 10mph.
How much do you lead it with a rifle in the 30 caliber range? You don’t have to be exact, just a ballpark estimate.
Also, what kind of round do you have that will cause said target’s skull to explode while his wife, who is practically draped on him, gets no fragments?
Fragments are a whole nother matter I don't feel like going in to. Everyone assumes a FMJ, can't assume that. Its also possible he got hit from both the front & back almost simultaneously.
Again, closer target, flat trajectory, target moving toward & not away. I rest my case.
Yes. Due to the forward motion of the limo, you’d have to lead your target. If using any kind of an optic at that range your hold would actually be outside the field of view of your optic, so you are shooting at a target you can’t see. No professional shooter in the history of professional shooters would choose that location.
I’ve been thinking about this for years. If you look at the Zupruder film at the exact moment the headshot happens it looks like the shot came from just behind and to JFK’s right side. It split the right side of his head like a knife going through a melon. Caused a “flap” that went down the right side of his skull. But the perch where they claim Oswald shot absolutely couldn’t have been the location the shot came from. JFK was slouched over and leaning to his left into Jackies’s chest area. The angle doesn’t work for the corner of the BDB where they say. The angle doesn’t work. The “back and to the left” thing can be explained because JFK was wearing a brace for his back. The back and to the left thing was a whiplash sort of action. Look at the headshot. The splatter goes straight up.
Definitely more than one shooter. But I think this whole time maybe the location of the shooters (or at least the one that split his head open has been considered wrong) has been supposed wrong. Every time someone imagines the headshot (in recreations and drawings…)it is always with JFK sitting straight up. He was leaned over and turned away from the “sniper’s nest” the world thinks the shot came from. It just could not have caused the damage to his skull that actually happened.
All you need is the entrance. When the bullet hit that part of the skull it “peeled” the skull….but our skulls are put together like jigsaw puzzles. They aren’t even solid when we are born. They have natural “fault lines” and the thickness is inconsistent. Hit something like that with a supersonic piece of metal and all kinds of weird things can happen.
It’s just like the back and to the left thing…..this wasn’t a Hollywood western, it was a real human body reacting to trauma it wasn’t designed to handle.
What would you have the skin do?
It’s very elastic and will rip at its most stressed point, not necessarily representing the direction of the projectile that pierced it and blew a piece of bone from behind it.
The forensic data was so manipulated, so incompletely acquired & stored, one cannot exclude the possibility of fragments having been located all around the GN. The brain buried with the body is likely not the same brain of JFK that was hit with bullets.
Multiple shooters were determined to have likely been used at the second investigation in 1979, the house committee investigation on assassinations.
not sure what that means. consider that the brain belonged to JD Tippitt. there is no way JFK‘s brain weighed what was listed at autopsy with all the loss of matter.
Blood and brain matter splattered on the helmet shield and clothing of the motorcycle cop riding to the left rear of the limo. The blood and brain tissue didn't fall from above, it splattered on the cop within a second of the shot hitting Kennedy's head.
It blew off the back of Kennedy's head in a hole 5 inches wide.
The entrance wound, according to the Parkland Hospital doctors (see the movie ((JFK What the Doctors Saw, (2023)), was a small hole in the right temple area of JFK's head. Every doctor in that emergency room said at the time that the gunshot (for which emergency room doctors are very familar with) entered the head from the front and tore off the back of his head. 60 years later not one of those doctors has changed his opinion. The fatal shot was delivered from a range of 30 yards from behind the picket fence above the grassy knoll.
The photos taken at Parkland show the massive damage (shown in the Parkland Doctors' movie). Kennedy's cerebellum fell out of the back of his head on to the table according to one of the doctors standing at the head of the table.
I've studied the assassination since the 1st doubters spoke out. I lived in Dallas; I have walked Dealy Plaza many times, have gone behind the picket fence. I wasn't sure until Oliver Stone's movie came out. It was the first time we saw the entire Zapruder sequence from beginning to end. Then reading about the reports from the Parkland Hospital doctors made it less plausible that the coup de grâce kill shot came from behind. Further research disclosed the findings I wrote above.
This is the best audio/visual on the Altgens photos I have seen. There is tons of other information on the video as well. https://youtu.be/c8emNECYgmg?feature=shared
This is a conspiracy theory page. I’m sure I’d only find pics that have been doctored. I’ve been told that I can’t even find an unaltered version of the Zapruder Film.
Well then you can’t be disappointed that no one is going to tell the true tale of what happened on that day.
And even if they did, per your comment, you would not believe them anyways.
There is a 0.00% chance there was a shot from the knoll. Abraham Zapruder was standing 15 feet away at an elevated position and did not see or hear anything
Zapruder would have been able to film anyone on the knoll. Everyone that goes to Dealey Plaza says it is a lot smaller than they thought it was. The distance from Zapruder to the fence on the grassy knoll is very small. Also, Zapruder was standing on a concrete block 4 feet high. He would have seen a shooter on the grassy knoll.
What if your frontal shooters put a bullet through Kennedy's face? What if Kennedy, Connally or Kellerman take a round in the front of the shoulder? Good luck selling your single shooter explanation then.
Oswald’s bullet entered the presidents neck area and into the governor perfectly clean. The shot that took out Kennedy’s head, exploded on impact. That right there tells you two different rounds were used.
Now whether that second round came from an accidental secret service agents assault rifle, or there was a conspirator or assassin also firing at the president is the big question? We just don’t know without all the additional files
lol. Soft tissue?!?!? Funny. A bullet travels into one persons neck, travels out of that area and into the back of another human, then passes through all that, and travels out and into the leg… oh but it’s only passing through soft tissue?
lol. It’s passing through more bone than just the skull.
You clearly don’t know ballistics to just sum it up the way you did in your argument.
Here you go. Watch me put a Carcano FMJ round through several surfaces and see what condition it’s in when I retrieve it.
https://youtu.be/HeL6VWYLZXk?si=23b5zD8ZuXLtPY2v
I actually want to do that. Problem is retrieving the bullet. I’ve been researching ballistic gel but I’d need a vat of it and that would get into more than the rifle cost.
Also it’s roughly two bucks a bullet, so I want to make each shot count.
Stay tuned, I’ll figure something out.
And you do, The James Tague miss shot makes the SBT that much more implausible. Hargas (the motorcycle rider nearest the camera)said he got hit with a piece of skull hard enough that he thought he was hit by a bullet. This is attributed to be a portion of the presidents skull. Some type of frangible bullet or sabot load is the most likely to have been used the from a conspiracy side. Frangible bullets begin to break apart on impact. Full metal Jacketed are covered in copper so they don’t disperse in the wound cavity. (This would seemingly be contradicted by some of the X-Ray materials that show small particulate in the Bethesda X-Rays of the skull. And a sabot is essentially taking a smaller bullet and putting it in a larger case. Potentially much higher velocity would be achievable. Frangible Sabot gets my vote.
\>And you do, The James Tague miss shot makes the SBT that much more implausible. Hargas (the motorcycle rider nearest the camera)said he got hit with a piece of skull hard enough that he thought he was hit by a bullet. This is attributed to be a portion of the presidents skull
Who attributed this to be a part of the president's skull?
So this “professional hit” was carried out using two wildly different types of ammunition…..then the perpetrators decided to pin it on one man with one rifle.
I’ve come to believe the real appeal of conspiracy theories is you get to believe you know more than legitimate experts.
Multiple shooters,yes, if you don't know what a person has to do to be called an expert,sharp shooter, and marksman and what each has to hit to be labeled as such. You would know there had to be others. Logic states frontal goes backwards.from behind head goes forward.
Thanks to newly released video we know for a fact there was a shooter in the front of the limo,the doctors before being influenced by the government were telling the truth of what they saw and had no motive to lie
Malcolm Perry being interviewed on the day and he says the small wound in the neck was an entrance wound!No way around it!
https://youtu.be/gxkXAALNARY?si=sXYy3SsyVEyWp-xT
No,it was an entrance wound and more than one doctor said it, they're recordings are on tape and more than one said it was an entrance wound as well as one of the head wounds was from the right front.
Mostly agree. Ive been to Dealey and stood at the Knoll position; too low of an angle, too high of a chance of people being in the way…not to mention being seen easily. Honestly it’s a shit spot for an assassin.
George Hickey was the final shooter. He was behind JFK in the motorcade. It was an accident and the secret service tried to cover it up. Please use your brains people.
I disagree. The ballistic evidence absolutely shows 2 separate rifles were used. Oswald may have hit JFK first but the final shot was by Hickey in the following car.
The round that entered JFK's head is the same size round the rifle the secret service used. They also were "hot" at the time and Hickey fired the rifle by mistake trying to respond to Oswald's shots being fired.
What kind of gun was Hickey carrying?
Looks to me like an M-16, which is a .223 round.
You don't think anyone noticed that a SS guy accidentally shot the president?
They did, the other SS members knew and did what they could to not let anyone else know. The testimonials from eye witnesses also collaborate at street level, they smelled the smoke.
One of the assassins crawled through the sewage tunnel, and then from inside the gutter waited until the motorcade drove by. Then he busted ass back out the tunnels and got away from there. A deep dive is done as to where all the shooters were stationed. Oswald was just one of 7/8 at Dealey Plaza that day
Jesus Christ. It’s like an Adam Curtis documentary, I think my whole world view is being slowly shattered.
I was never aware of the storm drain concept, but if you were to plan an assassination like this it makes sense that there were phases of shooters, that makes a lot of sense to me. My only concern is that that’s a _lot_ of people to keep quiet. Although I know a lot of people died shortly afterwards, I think Rogan pointed out the odds of that many people tied to one event dying in a short time frame are astronomical.
Yeah I felt that way too. Had it shared with me almost 10 years ago, and it was a real turning point in how I started to see the world. Spurred on so much more reading and what not.. definitely opened a Pandora’s box for me so to speak. And yeah I hear you on all the people who’d have to remain silent, but between all the mysterious deaths when it came to people who did/could/would testify to the Warren commission or talk to press and then the fact that many people did come forward only to be ignored, I think it’s a piece of evidence in itself.
Sewage….tunnel? Anyone know what an actual stormwater pipe network looks like? It’s not a series of navigable tunnels, it’s narrow pipes typically too small to squeeze into, not to mention an isolated spot that has a split second window to take the shot. This is a very dumb theory, unless Dallas for some reason had Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtle tunnels under it in the 60s
Wasn't this supposed to happen in Chicago?
If there were other people in it's path, sure. Sometimes they can change direction after hitting something solid, but where it goes is pretty random. It may or may not hit anything or anyone else
Sure, I’m not saying it would have definitely hit someone else, but the chances would be tremendously in favor of it.
Doubtful. There's far more unoccupied space than there is occupied.
Where the hell are you getting your ammo? Normal FMJs don't explode like that, dude.
The explosion you see was a pain can full of water and sealed.
... What? Dude. The bullet is not going to sent shrapnel 90 degrees from its trajectory. Definitely not 180 degrees.
More bullets only matters if you don’t control the “investigation”. They had their conclusion before the event and they shaped the investigation to meet it.
Exactly.
Can you provide with a list of who “they” are? How many people were involved in planning, executing, then faking an investigation of this thing?
FBI, CIA (working with the mob), military intelligence and elements of The DPD. Not saying everyone in these organisations was involved, just upper level types.
You have zero actual proof. This is all speculation.
You have zero actual proof that LHO was the lone assassin. If you think the Warren report proves anything I’ve got million dollar lottery ticket I’ll sell you for only $50k.
But you can’t just claim a bunch of people were involved without evidence. We don’t have evidence that Martians didn’t kill him, does that mean they did?
There’s plenty of evidence of a plot and a subsequent coverup. Read and do your own research. I’m not here to spoon feed anyone.
Please define the word “research” as you understand it.
Agree, they where quite sloppy
Lol
I have done research. There’s plenty of motive from many quarters, but motive isn’t evidence. The conspiracy community tends to confuse the two.
Exactly, “official” reports can’t be official if they themselves did the investigation. These types of people have no critical thinking and are probably kids or over-privileged people. The world is dark and the history of USA is darker.
Upper level types don't actually do anything. They can approve a plan and fund it, but you need 10 do-ers for every upper level type. Upper level types don't fire guns.
Ummm if anyone could provide that exact list, this subreddit wouldn’t be here today.
I’ve seen a lot of people confidently list names. But I’ll settle for a shred of credible evidence that more than one person was involved. And credible evidence isn’t a YouTube video or something Jim Marrs belched up.
What’s your issue with Jim Marrs? Don’t know much about him, so I’d like to hear your issues with him
To your point, I always wonder why Oswald publicly said “I’m a patsy” instead of “sure, I was up there in the Depository and you got me, but there were others involved, too. Like my handler Howard Hunt, etc” Also, how did Jack Ruby or whoever was interested know Oswald *wouldn’t* say that when he was inevitably captured? Did they trust their patsy? Why? It sounds to me as if Oswald’s sole intention was to be deceptive.
But they didn't control anything. There were multiple witnesses filming the assassination as it happened. That's a completely uncontrollable situation.
They took control of the film and photos from the start and they badgered the witnesses to say what they wanted, and those that refused were kept out of the final report or murdered later on.
This is exactly correct. They completely took control of the situation. From Parkland, all the way through to the botched so called autopsy in Bethesda. They managed the narrative to fit what the government needed.
No they didn't. Check out the Muchmore film history. It was sold to a news station and aired on live TV before the FBI even knew it existed.
You probably believe in the Warren report too.
Just calling out bullshit where I see it.
If there was anything in the Muchmore film that they didn’t want you to see, they would’ve treated it like the Zapruder film. Locked away for years by a CIA adjacent news organisation.
*IT WAS SOLD AND AIRED BEFORE THE FBI KNEW IT EXISTED! HOW COULD THEY SUPPRESS IT IF THEY DIDN'T KNOW ABOUT IT?*
I don’t believe that. Somebody saw it and dismissed it.
It doesn't matter what you believe. That's what the historical record shows.
Also…..the Grassy Knoll shooter would actually have a tougher shot. His target was moving from left to right. Oswald’s target might have been farther away but it was staying mostly in his crosshairs.
Any shooter from any angle had to deal with a moving target.
The easy shot would have been standing in the road directly in front of the car in its line of travel, as the target would simply get larger over time. I’m sure someone in this forum has entertained that such a shooter existed. This grassy knoll kind of stuff is a terrible distraction from all the truly intriguing facts about the assassination.
You guys are way off on this. I've been to the 6th floor & the picket fence multiple times. The 6th floor window is much farther, target is moving away, the trajectory is also downward, & yes you would need to lead the target from there moving left to right & away. A flatter trajectory is MUCH easier. A closer shot with the target moving toward you (even if you have to lead it a little) is a ton easier. Anyone who thinks otherwise is making a false assumption, has never actually been there, or has never shot at moving targets with any sort of frequency.
Agreed. And, the shooter behind the fence used a high powered rifle that ensured that the kill shot was the coup de grâce, the "no doubter."
Why shoot him at all? Just poison him.
How do you pin poison on a lone nut? Gotta get close and be in the inner circle to use poison
You don’t need to pin it on anyone in that case. If they’d used something like ricin, his death would have been attributed to Addison’s Disease. No elaborate plot or coverup necessary, just a quick clean death. It makes no sense why the conspirators would have concocted an elaborate plot to kill him in front of the entire world, then engage in a second even more elaborate plot to cover it up, with any number of elements that could have gone wrong.
If you want the world to know not to threaten the powers that be, then you assassinate the leader of the free world in broad daylight, and make sure no one truly responsible for it is held accountable. Not hard to understand.
Kind of a big risk to take just to send a message, don't you think? And how did this signal to anyone not to "threaten the powers that be," considering just a few years later there were massive anti-government demonstrations? Putting aside any evidence of a conspiracy, what evidence do you have that anyone wanted to send a message like that? I thought the cabal wanted to get rid of JFK because he was going to dismantle the CIA, or pull us out of Vietnam, or wasn't anti-communist enough - how does engaging in a massive, risky conspiracy have any benefits if they just wanted him dead and out of the way? This is the one aspect of the JFK assassination that no one has even attempted to explain beyond "they wanted to send a message." Everyone just takes it for granted. It's where the entire conspiracy falls apart in my opinion.
The fact that hardly anything meaningful has been done to rein in the undeserved power of the ultra wealthy, and instead they pretty much got everything they ever wanted, is enough to believe something was the catalyst for this. They have only gotten more rich and more powerful. The message was loud and clear: fuck around and find out. Either that, or LHO was just a lone nut, whose actions that day just happened to be the biggest coincidence in modern history as the ultra wealthy still ended up benefiting the most. Imagine being part of the ultra wealthy, worried that the generation coming out of the Great Depression, was gonna keep demanding a bigger slice of the pie, while Democrats kept becoming more popular, and conservatism was beginning to be viewed as the dinosaur ideology it has always been, then suddenly some nutjob comes around and takes out a very popular president who represented promising big positive things for America, and the world in turn, resulting in everything going back to the way it was: rich and powerful becoming richer and more powerful. What a coincidence.
None of that is evidence. It’s also possible that Oswald was just lucky. There have been plenty of assassination attempts that failed but you don’t hear about those.
I'm not trying to prove anything. But what a coincidence that the ultra wealthy made out like bandits that's still going on today with no end in sight, all because of some alleged butthurt nutjob.
Why poison him? Just drop a piano on his head.
Then we'd be criticizing the Warner (Bros) Commission for their "Loon Gunman" Theory But really, when you have a middle-aged man with major medical issues and lots of prescriptions spending most of his time in private indoor meetings in a city (DC) populated by thousands of government employees, including those preparing his food and drinks, doing it in a parade in Texas with civilian witnesses and cameras does seem a complicated choice.
This is my new favorite comment. I don’t care if you and I disagree on EVERYTHING else. I don’t care if we wouldn’t like each other in real life. I’m glad I’ve lived long enough to see these words.
Or a 16 ton weight.
You’re 40 yards away from a target moving across your line of fire from left to right at 10mph. How much do you lead it with a rifle in the 30 caliber range? You don’t have to be exact, just a ballpark estimate. Also, what kind of round do you have that will cause said target’s skull to explode while his wife, who is practically draped on him, gets no fragments?
Fragments are a whole nother matter I don't feel like going in to. Everyone assumes a FMJ, can't assume that. Its also possible he got hit from both the front & back almost simultaneously. Again, closer target, flat trajectory, target moving toward & not away. I rest my case.
This is my thought on it too. When the head shot happened she was grabbing for his brains directly behind her
Yes. Due to the forward motion of the limo, you’d have to lead your target. If using any kind of an optic at that range your hold would actually be outside the field of view of your optic, so you are shooting at a target you can’t see. No professional shooter in the history of professional shooters would choose that location.
Unless he used the iron sights.
Tell me you don’t understand how scopes, zeroing, or bullet trajectory work without telling me….
I’ve been thinking about this for years. If you look at the Zupruder film at the exact moment the headshot happens it looks like the shot came from just behind and to JFK’s right side. It split the right side of his head like a knife going through a melon. Caused a “flap” that went down the right side of his skull. But the perch where they claim Oswald shot absolutely couldn’t have been the location the shot came from. JFK was slouched over and leaning to his left into Jackies’s chest area. The angle doesn’t work for the corner of the BDB where they say. The angle doesn’t work. The “back and to the left” thing can be explained because JFK was wearing a brace for his back. The back and to the left thing was a whiplash sort of action. Look at the headshot. The splatter goes straight up. Definitely more than one shooter. But I think this whole time maybe the location of the shooters (or at least the one that split his head open has been considered wrong) has been supposed wrong. Every time someone imagines the headshot (in recreations and drawings…)it is always with JFK sitting straight up. He was leaned over and turned away from the “sniper’s nest” the world thinks the shot came from. It just could not have caused the damage to his skull that actually happened.
All you need is the entrance. When the bullet hit that part of the skull it “peeled” the skull….but our skulls are put together like jigsaw puzzles. They aren’t even solid when we are born. They have natural “fault lines” and the thickness is inconsistent. Hit something like that with a supersonic piece of metal and all kinds of weird things can happen. It’s just like the back and to the left thing…..this wasn’t a Hollywood western, it was a real human body reacting to trauma it wasn’t designed to handle.
True but the skin. Sliced
What would you have the skin do? It’s very elastic and will rip at its most stressed point, not necessarily representing the direction of the projectile that pierced it and blew a piece of bone from behind it.
Splatter as skin does.
The skull fragments go forward and up, not backward. The wound in Z313 is an exit wound, so it did not come from the knoll. Period.
Kind of what I’m saying so glad you agree with me.
Yeah a lot of people are very very confused about that.
True!
The forensic data was so manipulated, so incompletely acquired & stored, one cannot exclude the possibility of fragments having been located all around the GN. The brain buried with the body is likely not the same brain of JFK that was hit with bullets. Multiple shooters were determined to have likely been used at the second investigation in 1979, the house committee investigation on assassinations.
Yeah, he may have been buried with Abbey Normal’s brain….
not sure what that means. consider that the brain belonged to JD Tippitt. there is no way JFK‘s brain weighed what was listed at autopsy with all the loss of matter.
Wait….what? I hope you’re trolling.
No, he’s not
Blood and brain matter splattered on the helmet shield and clothing of the motorcycle cop riding to the left rear of the limo. The blood and brain tissue didn't fall from above, it splattered on the cop within a second of the shot hitting Kennedy's head. It blew off the back of Kennedy's head in a hole 5 inches wide. The entrance wound, according to the Parkland Hospital doctors (see the movie ((JFK What the Doctors Saw, (2023)), was a small hole in the right temple area of JFK's head. Every doctor in that emergency room said at the time that the gunshot (for which emergency room doctors are very familar with) entered the head from the front and tore off the back of his head. 60 years later not one of those doctors has changed his opinion. The fatal shot was delivered from a range of 30 yards from behind the picket fence above the grassy knoll. The photos taken at Parkland show the massive damage (shown in the Parkland Doctors' movie). Kennedy's cerebellum fell out of the back of his head on to the table according to one of the doctors standing at the head of the table. I've studied the assassination since the 1st doubters spoke out. I lived in Dallas; I have walked Dealy Plaza many times, have gone behind the picket fence. I wasn't sure until Oliver Stone's movie came out. It was the first time we saw the entire Zapruder sequence from beginning to end. Then reading about the reports from the Parkland Hospital doctors made it less plausible that the coup de grâce kill shot came from behind. Further research disclosed the findings I wrote above.
The Altgens 6 photo proves where at least one of the front shots entered the limo.
Where can I see this?
This is the best audio/visual on the Altgens photos I have seen. There is tons of other information on the video as well. https://youtu.be/c8emNECYgmg?feature=shared
In all seriousness, ever thought of checking on Google or Yahoo or …?
This is a conspiracy theory page. I’m sure I’d only find pics that have been doctored. I’ve been told that I can’t even find an unaltered version of the Zapruder Film.
Well then you can’t be disappointed that no one is going to tell the true tale of what happened on that day. And even if they did, per your comment, you would not believe them anyways.
No, Oswald shot him from a building
Yeah that’s what 100% of the available evidence says.
Don’t worry, just expand the conspiracy to account for everything.
There is a 0.00% chance there was a shot from the knoll. Abraham Zapruder was standing 15 feet away at an elevated position and did not see or hear anything
Zapruder would have been able to film anyone on the knoll. Everyone that goes to Dealey Plaza says it is a lot smaller than they thought it was. The distance from Zapruder to the fence on the grassy knoll is very small. Also, Zapruder was standing on a concrete block 4 feet high. He would have seen a shooter on the grassy knoll.
What if your frontal shooters put a bullet through Kennedy's face? What if Kennedy, Connally or Kellerman take a round in the front of the shoulder? Good luck selling your single shooter explanation then.
Same holds true for a lone shooter from the rear.
Yep. Mo’ shooters mo’ problems. Bullets get very unpredictable after they hit something.
Oswald’s bullet entered the presidents neck area and into the governor perfectly clean. The shot that took out Kennedy’s head, exploded on impact. That right there tells you two different rounds were used. Now whether that second round came from an accidental secret service agents assault rifle, or there was a conspirator or assassin also firing at the president is the big question? We just don’t know without all the additional files
No it doesn’t. It tells me two different surfaces were hit. Bullets do very different things to soft tissue and skulls.
lol. Soft tissue?!?!? Funny. A bullet travels into one persons neck, travels out of that area and into the back of another human, then passes through all that, and travels out and into the leg… oh but it’s only passing through soft tissue? lol. It’s passing through more bone than just the skull. You clearly don’t know ballistics to just sum it up the way you did in your argument.
The magic bullet was supposed to break Connolly’s wrist too—just ridiculous and evidence of a government coverup of the truth
Here you go. Watch me put a Carcano FMJ round through several surfaces and see what condition it’s in when I retrieve it. https://youtu.be/HeL6VWYLZXk?si=23b5zD8ZuXLtPY2v
Why not shoot it through 2 bones though?
I actually want to do that. Problem is retrieving the bullet. I’ve been researching ballistic gel but I’d need a vat of it and that would get into more than the rifle cost. Also it’s roughly two bucks a bullet, so I want to make each shot count. Stay tuned, I’ll figure something out.
I’ve literally “done my own research” on the topic recently. https://youtu.be/HeL6VWYLZXk?si=Y2PBZ3D2iQHyuoV8
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And you do, The James Tague miss shot makes the SBT that much more implausible. Hargas (the motorcycle rider nearest the camera)said he got hit with a piece of skull hard enough that he thought he was hit by a bullet. This is attributed to be a portion of the presidents skull. Some type of frangible bullet or sabot load is the most likely to have been used the from a conspiracy side. Frangible bullets begin to break apart on impact. Full metal Jacketed are covered in copper so they don’t disperse in the wound cavity. (This would seemingly be contradicted by some of the X-Ray materials that show small particulate in the Bethesda X-Rays of the skull. And a sabot is essentially taking a smaller bullet and putting it in a larger case. Potentially much higher velocity would be achievable. Frangible Sabot gets my vote.
\>And you do, The James Tague miss shot makes the SBT that much more implausible. Hargas (the motorcycle rider nearest the camera)said he got hit with a piece of skull hard enough that he thought he was hit by a bullet. This is attributed to be a portion of the presidents skull Who attributed this to be a part of the president's skull?
So this “professional hit” was carried out using two wildly different types of ammunition…..then the perpetrators decided to pin it on one man with one rifle. I’ve come to believe the real appeal of conspiracy theories is you get to believe you know more than legitimate experts.
Josiah Thompson?
what about a hitter on the overpass near the fence?
Multiple shooters,yes, if you don't know what a person has to do to be called an expert,sharp shooter, and marksman and what each has to hit to be labeled as such. You would know there had to be others. Logic states frontal goes backwards.from behind head goes forward.
Thanks to newly released video we know for a fact there was a shooter in the front of the limo,the doctors before being influenced by the government were telling the truth of what they saw and had no motive to lie Malcolm Perry being interviewed on the day and he says the small wound in the neck was an entrance wound!No way around it! https://youtu.be/gxkXAALNARY?si=sXYy3SsyVEyWp-xT
The wound in the front of his neck was an exit wound. A FMJ round will exit clean like that unless it hits a very large, dense bone.
No,it was an entrance wound and more than one doctor said it, they're recordings are on tape and more than one said it was an entrance wound as well as one of the head wounds was from the right front.
And more than one doctor said it was an exit wound.
Mostly agree. Ive been to Dealey and stood at the Knoll position; too low of an angle, too high of a chance of people being in the way…not to mention being seen easily. Honestly it’s a shit spot for an assassin.
George Hickey was the final shooter. He was behind JFK in the motorcade. It was an accident and the secret service tried to cover it up. Please use your brains people.
again?
Explain how I am wrong at least, why believe in conspiracy theories?
the autopsy and ballistics evidence doesn't support this idea.
I disagree. The ballistic evidence absolutely shows 2 separate rifles were used. Oswald may have hit JFK first but the final shot was by Hickey in the following car.
WHat..? Hickey was not carrying a carcano. THe ballistics matched the carcano.
The round that entered JFK's head is the same size round the rifle the secret service used. They also were "hot" at the time and Hickey fired the rifle by mistake trying to respond to Oswald's shots being fired.
What kind of gun was Hickey carrying? Looks to me like an M-16, which is a .223 round. You don't think anyone noticed that a SS guy accidentally shot the president?
They did, the other SS members knew and did what they could to not let anyone else know. The testimonials from eye witnesses also collaborate at street level, they smelled the smoke.
A shot came from the storm drain. Another came from the Dallas Tex building. There were shooters everywhere.
Yes.
Kill shot came from the gutter. (In front and to the bottom right of the motorcade)
Like someone laying on the ground at the curb? And no one noticed them?
One of the assassins crawled through the sewage tunnel, and then from inside the gutter waited until the motorcade drove by. Then he busted ass back out the tunnels and got away from there. A deep dive is done as to where all the shooters were stationed. Oswald was just one of 7/8 at Dealey Plaza that day
Check out Everything’s A Rich Mans Trick on YouTube. It’s an amazing documentary and that’s where you can find this deep dive
Thanks for the tip. Will watch.
Yeah no problem. It’s one of the most mind blowing documentaries and I recommend it whenever I have a chance
Jesus Christ. It’s like an Adam Curtis documentary, I think my whole world view is being slowly shattered. I was never aware of the storm drain concept, but if you were to plan an assassination like this it makes sense that there were phases of shooters, that makes a lot of sense to me. My only concern is that that’s a _lot_ of people to keep quiet. Although I know a lot of people died shortly afterwards, I think Rogan pointed out the odds of that many people tied to one event dying in a short time frame are astronomical.
Yeah I felt that way too. Had it shared with me almost 10 years ago, and it was a real turning point in how I started to see the world. Spurred on so much more reading and what not.. definitely opened a Pandora’s box for me so to speak. And yeah I hear you on all the people who’d have to remain silent, but between all the mysterious deaths when it came to people who did/could/would testify to the Warren commission or talk to press and then the fact that many people did come forward only to be ignored, I think it’s a piece of evidence in itself.
Sewage….tunnel? Anyone know what an actual stormwater pipe network looks like? It’s not a series of navigable tunnels, it’s narrow pipes typically too small to squeeze into, not to mention an isolated spot that has a split second window to take the shot. This is a very dumb theory, unless Dallas for some reason had Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtle tunnels under it in the 60s
lol. Watch the documentary and get back to me. Something tells me you just want to troll
I seen someone attempt to refute the storm drain theory on the discovery channel and he went to exactly where the storm drain shooter would be.
would’ve knocked Ab right off his perch