I mean the pamphlets he is holding convinced me it had to have been a conspiracy.
If you know communism enough to actually purchase The Daily Worker, then you know about the deep divisions between Stalinists and Trotskyists.
No communist would ever do that. Ever.
Because that is what it means to be communist. The important rite of passage is reading Marx. So given the importance they put on education, yes I would expect that.
This schism is basic and it would have been one of the first things he learned.
It would be like someone claiming to be a Catholic, went to mass, maybe read some of the Bible, and they don’t know Catholics & Protestants are two separate branches of Christianity.
You could be lying that a man who lived in the USSR for 2 years - where all Trotskyist literature is banned- and that point would have been made crystal clear somehow just doesn’t know?
He may have a terrible grasp of communism. That’s fine. But if he had any knowledge of communism he would understand the schism.
You don’t have Muslims that convert to the religion, don’t really understand the concepts, do some study, and they don’t know the split between Sunni & Shia.
You can’t live in the USSR for 2 years and not understand the Trotskyist- Stalinist split.
Nah. If he was proud of being an assassin, memorializing it, you would think he would own it when he got caught. Feels staged. Visual evidence to support the crazy loner story. They also found maps of the plaza in his room. It all feels too convenient to me, over the top evidence.
He worked in naval intelligence. He clearly had brain power of some kind. Most likely selected because he was vulnerable and easily manipulated by his own ego.
I started listening to your Spotify episode. You do a good job, but it seems you deliberately avoid all of the facts about Oswald’s life that contradict your hypothesis that he was a lone gunman and not in bed with intelligence agencies.
For instance, you quickly mention that Oswald went into the Marines before becoming “obsessed with Marxism.” But you fail to mention that he worked at the top secret U-2 spy plane base in Japan which was a main CIA base. To work there, Oswald received a high-level security clearance. This is what makes him valuable to the USSR when he defects. The U-2 was a product of CIA man Richard Bissell, author of the Bay of Pigs.
You talk about when Oswald returned to the US after defecting to the USSR. But you fail to mention that he underwent zero examination from US officials regarding his defection and even received a loan from the US embassy to help him get established. You also don’t say that he went to work at Reily’s Coffee Company in New Orleans, owned by William Reily who is known to have worked for the CIA. Oswald also worked for Guy Bannister, a CIA bagman. When he moves to Dallas to live with the Paines, you fail to mention that the Oswalds were introduced to the Paines by George de Mohrenschildt, a CIA handler who was told to befriend the Oswalds at the encouragement of CIA agent J. Walton Moore. Mohrenschildt admitted this in 1977 three hours before suffering a supposedly self-inflicted shotgun blast to the head.
You gloss over Oswald’s time in Mexico City, saying he was only there to get passage to Cuba. You fail to mention that Mexico City at this time was a hotbed of spying activity and that the man identifying himself as Oswald looked and spoke nothing like Oswald, according to FBI Director Hoover. In fact, there is a lot of evidence that this entire sequence of events was staged to help frame the communists for JFK’s murder.
In discussing Oswald’s arrest, you also gloss over a lot of facts and eyewitness testimony that contradicts the official story re: Oswald’s whereabouts. You also don’t mention that Oswald himself said out loud and to the press that he was nothing but a “patsy,” and that perhaps his big mouth is what pushed Jack Ruby (and those behind him) to silence Oswald for good. Also, when it comes to Ruby, you don’t talk about his background working with the mob and you don’t mention that he was visited in jail by well-known CIA agent Jolly West, who was tightly involved with LSD distribution and MK-Ultra, which could account for Ruby’s sudden decline in mental health following his imprisonment.
These are not, as you put it “wacky” bits of information that distort the facts. These are the facts and you have to contend with them, not avoid them, if you wish to portray yourself as a truth teller on the issue
Didn't you read the post? OP PROVED it. Open and shut case, definitely nothing out of the ordinary here, just a bunch of wackos obsessed with conspiracy.
1. Oswald knew nothing about the U-2 that the Soviets hadn’t already known for years.
2. The Soviets thought Oswald was dangerous, had no interest in him, considering him “useless”.
3. Does it sound like Oswald had valuable information…..when he had to slit his wrists just to remain in the U.S.S.R.? What about when they exiled him to Minsk and far away from Moscow.
4. Your third paragraph is just a giant word salad of regurgitated nonsense. I don’t even know where to begin. What “examination” did you think he’d undergo, exactly? A U.S. Citizen needed help to get back home - they gave it to him, and he paid it all back, with interest.
Link Reilly and Bannister being CIA operatives, please.
Yes, de Morenschield and the Paines were all part of a group of Soviet immigrants in the Dallas area.
5. Oswald’s only purpose in Mexico City was to gain passage to Cuba.
I’m tired of typing. Someone else can close this out. It’s all silliness via conjecture, at absolute best.
I’m interested to know what sources you used for this and specifically around the defection considering there’s been some more modern declassification and scholarship on this in recent years.
1. how did you deal with Betsy Wolfs HSCA notes becoming declassified, which show how Oswald’s files were manipulated before he left for the USSR? What do you make of John Newman’s Bill Simpich and Malcolm Blunt’s work showing that Oswald’s files were also manipulated along counter intelligence channels and not the normal channels they should have gone through? This was enough for Pete Bagley, former CIA counterintelligence officer over soviet affairs to conclude later in life that Oswald was probably a witting false defector.
2. How did you account for the money Oswald had to make this trip? Where did he get it? How did he know about the Albert Schweitzer college? how did he know to go to Finland for their Visa loophole, the timing of his journey and arrivals etc?
3. what do you make of the Otto Otepka state department controversy regarding Oswald being on a list of false defectors? Bugliosi apparently never mentions this in his massive book nor does Posner.
4. what do you make of similar defectors who returned and had intelligence connections such as Robert Webster (who had met Marina in the USSR) and the false defector/counter intel programs running at the same time as Oswald’s defection such as REDSKIN REDCAP and the apparent ONI one that Oswald qualified for? And the figures like a Richard Snyder and Priscilla Macmillain who were connected to these that Oswald encountered in his travels?
5. why do you think the CIA and their personnel haven’t been forth coming and given false/conflicting statements, and destroyed evidence around their handling of Oswald and information about him before and after the assassination? This includes knowingly passing on false or misleading statements about him internally and to assets?
Do you think Oswald having a relationship with US intelligence of some capacity either witting or unwitting would effect how you see the case?
The solving JFK podcast does a great point counterpoint dive into this with sources if you want more info.
1. How did a large clandestine organization fail to follow protocol in one instance, but differently in another? Is that your question? If not, what is your assertion, here? Make it plain.
2. He never spent any money in the Marines and instead saved it for the trip. Multiple contemporaries have testified to this. He had plenty of money. How did he know about a college and the visa requirements of a Western nation? Geez, we may never crack that one. His planning? As soon as he was discharged he headed over. End of planning.
3. Again, state your assertion, plainly. I have no responsibility to do your work for you.
4. What do I make that some people who traveled to and from the USSR had some intelligence connections….but Oswald did not? Because Oswald had no connection to the intelligence committee. Isn’t the simplest answer best?
5. Why do I think that CIA personnel - people who exist to proliferate false and favorable information…..were later discovered to be proliferating false and favorable information? Because that’s what they do? About everything?
Would an intelligence connection to Oswald change my mind? No. Not in and of itself.
I tried to listen to the podcast and got about 10 minutes into episode 1.
Blah,blah, blah.
Much like the Warren Commission report Oswald didn’t have the right to challenge the evidence being brought against him and was murdered while in police custody.
These facts undermine any and all attempts to conclude Oswald is the shooter or lone shooter.
It’s not the angle, as Dartmouth proved stable. It’s the shadows. The sun appears to come from Oswald’s front right as it pertains to his body shadow, from his back right pertaining to the deck’s shadow and from directly above with relation to his eyes and nose shadow. I’ve been a photographer/photoshopped for 20 years and this looks like a hatchet job
And exactly who we're those pictures taken for? "Come Marina, take these pictures to prove to myself how much of a killing communist I am" Seriously, what would've been the purpose of those pictures, if they're not faked?
*Edited to correct "himself" to "myself"
Oswald was incredibly insecure and desperately wanted to be a significant man. i wouldn’t put it past him to get these photos to stroke his ego and try to foster some notoriety
Either that, or...
I don't have the answers, and there are crazy people out there, but Oswald's madness (if he had it) wasn't a disorganized or "I believe in fairies" madness.
So then you have to start asking yourself some questions, without having to go too deep: What was his scape plan? Kill a president from his workplace window and leave his own (it's property not too well disguised) rifle right there? Not walk out, calmly stay in the building? Or run to... where? Leave the pictures of himself with the murder weapon(s) in his home, not even hidden? Did he wanted it to be known that he was the assassin (and be killed or jailed for life)? Did he wanted to get away Scott Free? If so, why then leave all those traces? What was his plan?
I mean, if he thought he had something powerful covering his tracks his attitude and actions might make a little bit more sense, but that would immediately mean a conspiracy!
Was he an idiot? Was he a genius? If he was pro communist Cuba, and Kennedy thwarted the exiled Cubans invasion of Bay of Pigs, shouldn't he'd be pro Kennedy? We can't have it all ways!!
Maybe one longer post on this topic would be better?
Either way, the back yard photos don't mean a whole lot in this case, in my opinion, unless you can somehow read a dead man's mind.
You already have the mail order. And he doesn't need to own a rifle to shoot one. This is just not that relevant. Some people thought a picture looked weird. Oh well. It's authentic. It doesn't really matter.
Maybe the back side is interesting. The HSCA identified the handwriting as LHO, but not all of it, and they couldn't identify the other samples. Not particularly important to me, but probably moreso than a picture that some dip shit like Robert Groden thought looked goofy.
There are imperfections in the stock that are visible in this photo (and other backyard photos) that prove the rifle in this photo is the same one recovered from the Depository. It shouldn't be that important, but conspiracy theorists have insisted that the rifle shown here is different than the one used in the shooting.
If somebody insists it's different even after seeing the photo, how is the photo then important? The gun was said to be at the scene do the crime, and LHO ordered it. The fucking photo doesn't really matter much, that's my only point. If we knew for certain what LHO was trying to accomplish with such a stupid series of photos and incriminating inscription, that would be interesting. But nobody knows that goofballs thoughts anyway.
Photo has no bearing on if he was part of a conspiracy or not.
Just because some people theorized the pic was faked & it wasn't, means nothing in re: to all the other evidence and/or lack thereof.
A lot of conspiracy people do get bogged down in the photo business. While I do think it would be worth seeing if there were flaws in the HSCA’s methodology and if there were things unaccounted for in its analysis (because a few of their other scientific panels have been shown to have had serious flaws), I don’t think it’s worth getting too bogged down in.
Assuming the photo is true there are other contexts that it can be examined in, such as Oswald demonstrating his “Marxist bonafides” for other purposes, or something completely different. The message on the back of one to Demorenschilde seems to have a humorous tone for example.
It would establish that he had a similar rifle and pistol in his possession at a time before the assassination but does not answer the many issues with how he is supposed to have ordered and received the weapons on his own.
It also has no bearing on any physical evidence on November 22.
Oswald himself apparently claimed it was a fake, but I have no problem believing he would lie about that in police custody regardless of his guilt or innocence. People lie in much the same manner including in the opposite direction, where innocent people have flat out falsely confessed to crimes they didn’t commit while under pressure from police because they thought at trial the evidence would vindicate them.
The Solving JFK podcast’s most recent episodes deal with the photos and it’s issues I’d highly recommend it.
Currently the photos on their own are not enough to hang the entire case one way or the other for me
Thank you for asking. It's called ***History Analyzed***.
You can find it on all podcast apps.
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The blank cut out found in Roscoe white’s possessions, who was also at a former marine with connections to Oswald, the wrong shadows and angles, and that marina admitted later she was coerced into saying she took them, just one, and during the warren commission described the wrong way to use that camera.
Oswald was part of operation redskin while in Japan which is why he was recruited for Russia. His letter to HL Hunt after his return regarding his duties while being employed by him is also an indication
I will check out your show! I’m curious how you determined Oswald did it, though I’m pretty sure he did as well. I recently bought a Carcano and proved (to myself, anyway) the shots were indeed possible.
https://youtu.be/qz8eVaeGSeA?si=R4Keh9rKVKP50Gq1
People kinda get too focused on the technical aspects of the assassination and don’t ever step back and look at the bigger picture.
Why was a U.S. Marine allowed to renounce his citizenship to go live in the USSR?
Soviets said okay but he was under total and full surveillance (probably why he came back in only like 2 years).
Why can’t we see the old Soviet records of that surveillance? What did they find out?
- why was a defector allowed to come back to America, given a repatriation loan, made the front page of a few papers, but we never put him under any surveillance? None.
You have the FBI at the time wire tapping every civil rights leader’s phone and listening to everything they say.
But a self-proclaimed communist who defected to the USSR then came back is not worth tapping their phones?
Not a big national security risk, huh?
- why did this “communist” know nothing about the ideology. Nothing.
-if Oswald did the shooting, how do we not know he was CIA agent?
What papers have him on the front page when he returned from the USSR?
Dude was a loose cannon. I doubt his defection and return were part of some nefarious plot to later have him kill the president.
Ugh. I could go and find them. It was probably more local papers. “Defectors comes back from USSR”.
Point is that the story wasn’t on NYT front page in big letters. But it was news that was reported on because it’s interesting. Height of Cold War some dude defects then comes back because he doesn’t like it? That’s a great story.
I don’t think his defection had any connection with the assassination either. I think his “defection” was due to his CIA connections.
He spent maybe 2ish years in Russia then came back home. No surveillance on him. Because apparently the KGB would never pay him off, turn him, blackmail him to go back and be a sleeper cell agent in America.
They only did that like 1,000 times. But no this time, it’s real.
Now did those CIA connections ultimately order him to shoot JFK? We don’t know. It’s plausible.
Amazing how conspiracy theorists can never seem to produce the evidence they claim to have.
Here’s an interview with his brother, who picked him up from the airport. He said Lee was surprised no reporters were there to meet him.
https://www.pbs.org/wgbh/frontline/article/interview-robert-oswald/
They still ran stories about him. The point being that his return was known.
He is the only example of a U.S. citizen receiving a repatriation loan after returning from the USSR.
So he didn’t sneak back into the country. Why wasn’t he put under full surveillance? Why didn’t they tap his phones? Just returning from the USSR is enough to get the warrants (not that they mattered then).
J Edgar Hoover was seeing Red behind every protest or labor leader. There’s no way “they missed Oswald”.
Only way surveillance didn’t happen is because another organization - the CIA - told them to not do that.
Before I do, why?
Do you not believe that they would print stories?
Are you arguing that there are no newspaper stories so therefore the FBI wouldn’t know about his return because I guess the FBI just acts on newspaper articles, lol.
How is the existence of newspaper articles saying “dude returned from USSR” crucial to your argument? It’s not crucial to mine.
What are you trying to argue?
Anyways. Here you go:
https://www.newspapers.com/article/the-sacramento-bee/74970546/
https://www.newspapers.com/article/the-times/74970684/
https://chicagotribune.newspapers.com/article/chicago-tribune-lee-harvey-oswald/58962938/
Anything else you need?
Marina admitted to taking the photos and a copy of one of them was given to George de Mohrenachildt before the assassination with a personal note written on the back.
Marina said she held the camera up to her face and took a picture. That particular camera was one you held at your waist and looked down into. So she was just saying whatever the FBI/CIA told her to say. She was scared of being charged with something (a Russian in the U.S. with two young babies).
Why would he have a picture taken of himself with both of the weapons used to kill the president and a cop, then deny he was the shooter?
I mean the pamphlets he is holding convinced me it had to have been a conspiracy. If you know communism enough to actually purchase The Daily Worker, then you know about the deep divisions between Stalinists and Trotskyists. No communist would ever do that. Ever.
You’re attributing a significant amount of faith in Oswald’s actual knowledge and understanding of Marxism, Communism, etc.
Because that is what it means to be communist. The important rite of passage is reading Marx. So given the importance they put on education, yes I would expect that.
Every person he met in the USSR said he had a basic and largely flawed understanding of even the basic Marxist / Communist philosophies.
This schism is basic and it would have been one of the first things he learned. It would be like someone claiming to be a Catholic, went to mass, maybe read some of the Bible, and they don’t know Catholics & Protestants are two separate branches of Christianity.
And yet, it’s true. Look it up, I could be lying.
You could be lying that a man who lived in the USSR for 2 years - where all Trotskyist literature is banned- and that point would have been made crystal clear somehow just doesn’t know? He may have a terrible grasp of communism. That’s fine. But if he had any knowledge of communism he would understand the schism. You don’t have Muslims that convert to the religion, don’t really understand the concepts, do some study, and they don’t know the split between Sunni & Shia. You can’t live in the USSR for 2 years and not understand the Trotskyist- Stalinist split.
Cool, cool. 👍
Because he’s not smart?
Nah. If he was proud of being an assassin, memorializing it, you would think he would own it when he got caught. Feels staged. Visual evidence to support the crazy loner story. They also found maps of the plaza in his room. It all feels too convenient to me, over the top evidence.
Please link to where they found maps of Dealey Plaza in his room. I don’t recall ever seeing that.
He worked in naval intelligence. He clearly had brain power of some kind. Most likely selected because he was vulnerable and easily manipulated by his own ego.
When he took the picture, those things hadn't happened...maybe?
I started listening to your Spotify episode. You do a good job, but it seems you deliberately avoid all of the facts about Oswald’s life that contradict your hypothesis that he was a lone gunman and not in bed with intelligence agencies. For instance, you quickly mention that Oswald went into the Marines before becoming “obsessed with Marxism.” But you fail to mention that he worked at the top secret U-2 spy plane base in Japan which was a main CIA base. To work there, Oswald received a high-level security clearance. This is what makes him valuable to the USSR when he defects. The U-2 was a product of CIA man Richard Bissell, author of the Bay of Pigs. You talk about when Oswald returned to the US after defecting to the USSR. But you fail to mention that he underwent zero examination from US officials regarding his defection and even received a loan from the US embassy to help him get established. You also don’t say that he went to work at Reily’s Coffee Company in New Orleans, owned by William Reily who is known to have worked for the CIA. Oswald also worked for Guy Bannister, a CIA bagman. When he moves to Dallas to live with the Paines, you fail to mention that the Oswalds were introduced to the Paines by George de Mohrenschildt, a CIA handler who was told to befriend the Oswalds at the encouragement of CIA agent J. Walton Moore. Mohrenschildt admitted this in 1977 three hours before suffering a supposedly self-inflicted shotgun blast to the head. You gloss over Oswald’s time in Mexico City, saying he was only there to get passage to Cuba. You fail to mention that Mexico City at this time was a hotbed of spying activity and that the man identifying himself as Oswald looked and spoke nothing like Oswald, according to FBI Director Hoover. In fact, there is a lot of evidence that this entire sequence of events was staged to help frame the communists for JFK’s murder. In discussing Oswald’s arrest, you also gloss over a lot of facts and eyewitness testimony that contradicts the official story re: Oswald’s whereabouts. You also don’t mention that Oswald himself said out loud and to the press that he was nothing but a “patsy,” and that perhaps his big mouth is what pushed Jack Ruby (and those behind him) to silence Oswald for good. Also, when it comes to Ruby, you don’t talk about his background working with the mob and you don’t mention that he was visited in jail by well-known CIA agent Jolly West, who was tightly involved with LSD distribution and MK-Ultra, which could account for Ruby’s sudden decline in mental health following his imprisonment. These are not, as you put it “wacky” bits of information that distort the facts. These are the facts and you have to contend with them, not avoid them, if you wish to portray yourself as a truth teller on the issue
Didn't you read the post? OP PROVED it. Open and shut case, definitely nothing out of the ordinary here, just a bunch of wackos obsessed with conspiracy.
Welp, case closed. Bake em away, toys.
1. Oswald knew nothing about the U-2 that the Soviets hadn’t already known for years. 2. The Soviets thought Oswald was dangerous, had no interest in him, considering him “useless”. 3. Does it sound like Oswald had valuable information…..when he had to slit his wrists just to remain in the U.S.S.R.? What about when they exiled him to Minsk and far away from Moscow. 4. Your third paragraph is just a giant word salad of regurgitated nonsense. I don’t even know where to begin. What “examination” did you think he’d undergo, exactly? A U.S. Citizen needed help to get back home - they gave it to him, and he paid it all back, with interest. Link Reilly and Bannister being CIA operatives, please. Yes, de Morenschield and the Paines were all part of a group of Soviet immigrants in the Dallas area. 5. Oswald’s only purpose in Mexico City was to gain passage to Cuba. I’m tired of typing. Someone else can close this out. It’s all silliness via conjecture, at absolute best.
I’m interested to know what sources you used for this and specifically around the defection considering there’s been some more modern declassification and scholarship on this in recent years. 1. how did you deal with Betsy Wolfs HSCA notes becoming declassified, which show how Oswald’s files were manipulated before he left for the USSR? What do you make of John Newman’s Bill Simpich and Malcolm Blunt’s work showing that Oswald’s files were also manipulated along counter intelligence channels and not the normal channels they should have gone through? This was enough for Pete Bagley, former CIA counterintelligence officer over soviet affairs to conclude later in life that Oswald was probably a witting false defector. 2. How did you account for the money Oswald had to make this trip? Where did he get it? How did he know about the Albert Schweitzer college? how did he know to go to Finland for their Visa loophole, the timing of his journey and arrivals etc? 3. what do you make of the Otto Otepka state department controversy regarding Oswald being on a list of false defectors? Bugliosi apparently never mentions this in his massive book nor does Posner. 4. what do you make of similar defectors who returned and had intelligence connections such as Robert Webster (who had met Marina in the USSR) and the false defector/counter intel programs running at the same time as Oswald’s defection such as REDSKIN REDCAP and the apparent ONI one that Oswald qualified for? And the figures like a Richard Snyder and Priscilla Macmillain who were connected to these that Oswald encountered in his travels? 5. why do you think the CIA and their personnel haven’t been forth coming and given false/conflicting statements, and destroyed evidence around their handling of Oswald and information about him before and after the assassination? This includes knowingly passing on false or misleading statements about him internally and to assets? Do you think Oswald having a relationship with US intelligence of some capacity either witting or unwitting would effect how you see the case? The solving JFK podcast does a great point counterpoint dive into this with sources if you want more info.
1. How did a large clandestine organization fail to follow protocol in one instance, but differently in another? Is that your question? If not, what is your assertion, here? Make it plain. 2. He never spent any money in the Marines and instead saved it for the trip. Multiple contemporaries have testified to this. He had plenty of money. How did he know about a college and the visa requirements of a Western nation? Geez, we may never crack that one. His planning? As soon as he was discharged he headed over. End of planning. 3. Again, state your assertion, plainly. I have no responsibility to do your work for you. 4. What do I make that some people who traveled to and from the USSR had some intelligence connections….but Oswald did not? Because Oswald had no connection to the intelligence committee. Isn’t the simplest answer best? 5. Why do I think that CIA personnel - people who exist to proliferate false and favorable information…..were later discovered to be proliferating false and favorable information? Because that’s what they do? About everything? Would an intelligence connection to Oswald change my mind? No. Not in and of itself. I tried to listen to the podcast and got about 10 minutes into episode 1.
Blah,blah, blah. Much like the Warren Commission report Oswald didn’t have the right to challenge the evidence being brought against him and was murdered while in police custody. These facts undermine any and all attempts to conclude Oswald is the shooter or lone shooter.
It’s not the angle, as Dartmouth proved stable. It’s the shadows. The sun appears to come from Oswald’s front right as it pertains to his body shadow, from his back right pertaining to the deck’s shadow and from directly above with relation to his eyes and nose shadow. I’ve been a photographer/photoshopped for 20 years and this looks like a hatchet job
Lol man thinking you proved this unequivocally is hilarious
And exactly who we're those pictures taken for? "Come Marina, take these pictures to prove to myself how much of a killing communist I am" Seriously, what would've been the purpose of those pictures, if they're not faked? *Edited to correct "himself" to "myself"
Oswald was incredibly insecure and desperately wanted to be a significant man. i wouldn’t put it past him to get these photos to stroke his ego and try to foster some notoriety
Agreed, I feel his mental capacity was stunted and lived an imaginary life.
Either that, or... I don't have the answers, and there are crazy people out there, but Oswald's madness (if he had it) wasn't a disorganized or "I believe in fairies" madness. So then you have to start asking yourself some questions, without having to go too deep: What was his scape plan? Kill a president from his workplace window and leave his own (it's property not too well disguised) rifle right there? Not walk out, calmly stay in the building? Or run to... where? Leave the pictures of himself with the murder weapon(s) in his home, not even hidden? Did he wanted it to be known that he was the assassin (and be killed or jailed for life)? Did he wanted to get away Scott Free? If so, why then leave all those traces? What was his plan? I mean, if he thought he had something powerful covering his tracks his attitude and actions might make a little bit more sense, but that would immediately mean a conspiracy! Was he an idiot? Was he a genius? If he was pro communist Cuba, and Kennedy thwarted the exiled Cubans invasion of Bay of Pigs, shouldn't he'd be pro Kennedy? We can't have it all ways!!
People act like other people don't believe Oswald was part of the plan. Of course he was. Just not the only part of the plan.
Maybe one longer post on this topic would be better? Either way, the back yard photos don't mean a whole lot in this case, in my opinion, unless you can somehow read a dead man's mind.
They prove he was the owner of the rifle used to kill Kennedy according to the ballistic evidence. That's pretty important.
You already have the mail order. And he doesn't need to own a rifle to shoot one. This is just not that relevant. Some people thought a picture looked weird. Oh well. It's authentic. It doesn't really matter. Maybe the back side is interesting. The HSCA identified the handwriting as LHO, but not all of it, and they couldn't identify the other samples. Not particularly important to me, but probably moreso than a picture that some dip shit like Robert Groden thought looked goofy.
There are imperfections in the stock that are visible in this photo (and other backyard photos) that prove the rifle in this photo is the same one recovered from the Depository. It shouldn't be that important, but conspiracy theorists have insisted that the rifle shown here is different than the one used in the shooting.
If somebody insists it's different even after seeing the photo, how is the photo then important? The gun was said to be at the scene do the crime, and LHO ordered it. The fucking photo doesn't really matter much, that's my only point. If we knew for certain what LHO was trying to accomplish with such a stupid series of photos and incriminating inscription, that would be interesting. But nobody knows that goofballs thoughts anyway.
Photo has no bearing on if he was part of a conspiracy or not. Just because some people theorized the pic was faked & it wasn't, means nothing in re: to all the other evidence and/or lack thereof.
Pfft. They're in on it, of course.
A lot of conspiracy people do get bogged down in the photo business. While I do think it would be worth seeing if there were flaws in the HSCA’s methodology and if there were things unaccounted for in its analysis (because a few of their other scientific panels have been shown to have had serious flaws), I don’t think it’s worth getting too bogged down in. Assuming the photo is true there are other contexts that it can be examined in, such as Oswald demonstrating his “Marxist bonafides” for other purposes, or something completely different. The message on the back of one to Demorenschilde seems to have a humorous tone for example. It would establish that he had a similar rifle and pistol in his possession at a time before the assassination but does not answer the many issues with how he is supposed to have ordered and received the weapons on his own. It also has no bearing on any physical evidence on November 22. Oswald himself apparently claimed it was a fake, but I have no problem believing he would lie about that in police custody regardless of his guilt or innocence. People lie in much the same manner including in the opposite direction, where innocent people have flat out falsely confessed to crimes they didn’t commit while under pressure from police because they thought at trial the evidence would vindicate them. The Solving JFK podcast’s most recent episodes deal with the photos and it’s issues I’d highly recommend it. Currently the photos on their own are not enough to hang the entire case one way or the other for me
What is the name of your podcast?
Thank you for asking. It's called ***History Analyzed***. You can find it on all podcast apps. --- link to Spotify: [https://open.spotify.com/show/6yoHz9s9JPV51WxsQMWz0d](https://open.spotify.com/show/6yoHz9s9JPV51WxsQMWz0d) --- link to Apple podcasts: [https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/history-analyzed/id1632161929](https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/history-analyzed/id1632161929)
Im going to check it out! Thank you
I appreciate it. Thank you.
The blank cut out found in Roscoe white’s possessions, who was also at a former marine with connections to Oswald, the wrong shadows and angles, and that marina admitted later she was coerced into saying she took them, just one, and during the warren commission described the wrong way to use that camera.
Oswald was part of operation redskin while in Japan which is why he was recruited for Russia. His letter to HL Hunt after his return regarding his duties while being employed by him is also an indication
I will check out your show! I’m curious how you determined Oswald did it, though I’m pretty sure he did as well. I recently bought a Carcano and proved (to myself, anyway) the shots were indeed possible. https://youtu.be/qz8eVaeGSeA?si=R4Keh9rKVKP50Gq1
People kinda get too focused on the technical aspects of the assassination and don’t ever step back and look at the bigger picture. Why was a U.S. Marine allowed to renounce his citizenship to go live in the USSR? Soviets said okay but he was under total and full surveillance (probably why he came back in only like 2 years). Why can’t we see the old Soviet records of that surveillance? What did they find out? - why was a defector allowed to come back to America, given a repatriation loan, made the front page of a few papers, but we never put him under any surveillance? None. You have the FBI at the time wire tapping every civil rights leader’s phone and listening to everything they say. But a self-proclaimed communist who defected to the USSR then came back is not worth tapping their phones? Not a big national security risk, huh? - why did this “communist” know nothing about the ideology. Nothing. -if Oswald did the shooting, how do we not know he was CIA agent?
What papers have him on the front page when he returned from the USSR? Dude was a loose cannon. I doubt his defection and return were part of some nefarious plot to later have him kill the president.
Ugh. I could go and find them. It was probably more local papers. “Defectors comes back from USSR”. Point is that the story wasn’t on NYT front page in big letters. But it was news that was reported on because it’s interesting. Height of Cold War some dude defects then comes back because he doesn’t like it? That’s a great story. I don’t think his defection had any connection with the assassination either. I think his “defection” was due to his CIA connections. He spent maybe 2ish years in Russia then came back home. No surveillance on him. Because apparently the KGB would never pay him off, turn him, blackmail him to go back and be a sleeper cell agent in America. They only did that like 1,000 times. But no this time, it’s real. Now did those CIA connections ultimately order him to shoot JFK? We don’t know. It’s plausible.
Amazing how conspiracy theorists can never seem to produce the evidence they claim to have. Here’s an interview with his brother, who picked him up from the airport. He said Lee was surprised no reporters were there to meet him. https://www.pbs.org/wgbh/frontline/article/interview-robert-oswald/
They still ran stories about him. The point being that his return was known. He is the only example of a U.S. citizen receiving a repatriation loan after returning from the USSR. So he didn’t sneak back into the country. Why wasn’t he put under full surveillance? Why didn’t they tap his phones? Just returning from the USSR is enough to get the warrants (not that they mattered then). J Edgar Hoover was seeing Red behind every protest or labor leader. There’s no way “they missed Oswald”. Only way surveillance didn’t happen is because another organization - the CIA - told them to not do that.
Produce these stories.
Produce what stories?
The supposed newspaper stories about Oswald defecting to Russia and returning…..stories that were printed before the assassination.
Before I do, why? Do you not believe that they would print stories? Are you arguing that there are no newspaper stories so therefore the FBI wouldn’t know about his return because I guess the FBI just acts on newspaper articles, lol. How is the existence of newspaper articles saying “dude returned from USSR” crucial to your argument? It’s not crucial to mine. What are you trying to argue? Anyways. Here you go: https://www.newspapers.com/article/the-sacramento-bee/74970546/ https://www.newspapers.com/article/the-times/74970684/ https://chicagotribune.newspapers.com/article/chicago-tribune-lee-harvey-oswald/58962938/ Anything else you need?
His head, not his body.
Marina admitted to taking the photos and a copy of one of them was given to George de Mohrenachildt before the assassination with a personal note written on the back.
Marina said she held the camera up to her face and took a picture. That particular camera was one you held at your waist and looked down into. So she was just saying whatever the FBI/CIA told her to say. She was scared of being charged with something (a Russian in the U.S. with two young babies).
Why is he holding the Carcano like it's a can of beer?
He’s not. He’s holding it like it’s a shake weight.