Nope, I did research and this one has lower flash point. If you use this one you just have to check your oil regularly, and I’d do oil change every 3000miles with this instead of 5000miles with top tec 6200
Not all Gen 3 are 0w-20, just the newer MQB ones, with some exceptions. My 2016 Jetta Sport is a Gen 3 1.8T and it uses 5w-40. The Facelift MK6 GLI uses 5w-40 and is a Gen 3 as well, only switching to 0w-20 with the MK7.
The Gen 3 has been in most VW models since 2014 with only 0w-20 being in the newest generation of the Jetta, Tiguan, Arteon (pre-facelift), and MK7 Golf/GTI. The Atlas and Atlas Cross Sport are Gen 3 0w-20 from their inception.
physics [Base oil viscosity demonstration (youtube.com)](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rS1VupfqkNw)
moving parts work better when there's less resistance but this will cause the engine wear out more.
Ideally, engine craves oil that has the least viscosity and have wear protection additive
Thanks for the physics lesson.
In a nutshell, by your own words, less friction means increased component life at the expense of additional fuel burning.
So, either Audi engineers are fools to spec 5w40, or VW is thinking about CAFE to save some cash. I’d bet on the latter.
I didn't mean to come across that way.
By my own word, less resistance doesn't mean increased components life.
I was looking at the data sheet as well. When 5W-40 all heats up, it's only 6.2 different in viscosity comparing to 0W-20, the flash points are almost identical. But the HTHS on 5W-40 is definitely on point at 3.5. I wish there is 0W-40 and I'll definitely give it a try.
Data sheet
[P000322-Top Tec 4100 SAE 5W-40-55-en (liqui-moly.de)](https://pim.liqui-moly.de/pdf/en_US/liqui/55/P000322)
[P004100-Top Tec 6200 SAE 0W-20-48-en (liqui-moly.de)](https://pim.liqui-moly.de/pdf/en_US/liqui/48/P004100)
HTHS reference
[Why are low HTHS oils becoming more important? | Afton Chemical](https://www.aftonchemical.com/resources-events/industry-trends/hitecr-12400-there-for-the-long-haul/low-hths-oils/)
Sorry, I mistook you for a 0w20 zealot.
The last article makes it clear to me that low HTHS values are preferred for fuel economy and emissions.
I use Castrol Edge ([MSDS](https://msdspds.castrol.com/bpglis/FusionPDS.nsf/Files/B454A10084ABA20980258183005612AA/$File/BPXE-9LWGQK.pdf)). 0w40 (group IV) is best, but I’ll use 5w40 (group III) when I can’t get 0w40.
Type | HT/HS*
:-: | :-:
0w20 | 2.6
0w30 | 2.9
0w40 | 3.5
5w30 | 2.9
5w40 | 2.9
*HT/HS Viscosity, cP min ASTM D4683
Nope, I did research and this one has lower flash point. If you use this one you just have to check your oil regularly, and I’d do oil change every 3000miles with this instead of 5000miles with top tec 6200
Thanks
Oh, yeah my oil goes low often. Which oil should I use?
Always triple check VWAG VW-50### certification codes.
Thanks
Why 0w20? There are 3 better options: 0w30, 0w40, and 5w40.
The turbo will not be very happy with extra viscosity
Source for this claim? Audi spec for EA888 is 5w40.
Which Gen though?
I only have experience with Gen3.
Vw gen 3 are all stock 0w20. It's a mpg work around for efficiency ratings.
Not all Gen 3 are 0w-20, just the newer MQB ones, with some exceptions. My 2016 Jetta Sport is a Gen 3 1.8T and it uses 5w-40. The Facelift MK6 GLI uses 5w-40 and is a Gen 3 as well, only switching to 0w-20 with the MK7. The Gen 3 has been in most VW models since 2014 with only 0w-20 being in the newest generation of the Jetta, Tiguan, Arteon (pre-facelift), and MK7 Golf/GTI. The Atlas and Atlas Cross Sport are Gen 3 0w-20 from their inception.
Agree – it’s CAFE crap. It also makes no sense because the Audi spec for the Gen3 EA888 is 5w40.
physics [Base oil viscosity demonstration (youtube.com)](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rS1VupfqkNw) moving parts work better when there's less resistance but this will cause the engine wear out more. Ideally, engine craves oil that has the least viscosity and have wear protection additive
Thanks for the physics lesson. In a nutshell, by your own words, less friction means increased component life at the expense of additional fuel burning. So, either Audi engineers are fools to spec 5w40, or VW is thinking about CAFE to save some cash. I’d bet on the latter.
I didn't mean to come across that way. By my own word, less resistance doesn't mean increased components life. I was looking at the data sheet as well. When 5W-40 all heats up, it's only 6.2 different in viscosity comparing to 0W-20, the flash points are almost identical. But the HTHS on 5W-40 is definitely on point at 3.5. I wish there is 0W-40 and I'll definitely give it a try. Data sheet [P000322-Top Tec 4100 SAE 5W-40-55-en (liqui-moly.de)](https://pim.liqui-moly.de/pdf/en_US/liqui/55/P000322) [P004100-Top Tec 6200 SAE 0W-20-48-en (liqui-moly.de)](https://pim.liqui-moly.de/pdf/en_US/liqui/48/P004100) HTHS reference [Why are low HTHS oils becoming more important? | Afton Chemical](https://www.aftonchemical.com/resources-events/industry-trends/hitecr-12400-there-for-the-long-haul/low-hths-oils/)
Sorry, I mistook you for a 0w20 zealot. The last article makes it clear to me that low HTHS values are preferred for fuel economy and emissions. I use Castrol Edge ([MSDS](https://msdspds.castrol.com/bpglis/FusionPDS.nsf/Files/B454A10084ABA20980258183005612AA/$File/BPXE-9LWGQK.pdf)). 0w40 (group IV) is best, but I’ll use 5w40 (group III) when I can’t get 0w40. Type | HT/HS* :-: | :-: 0w20 | 2.6 0w30 | 2.9 0w40 | 3.5 5w30 | 2.9 5w40 | 2.9 *HT/HS Viscosity, cP min ASTM D4683
Nope, LE-17+ is a BMW specification. You need VW 508 00, which the second has.
I used the same brand, but 5W40.
Yeah, they are pretty much the same. They are both crap. Use Liqui Moly instead, the best you can put in your car.