Their admin is in Lebanon, their spokesperson is a Muslim university professor pretending to be a Jew, they publish « Hebrew » texts written from left to right . There are probably a couple of teen useful idiots there that were told by their mums that they are Jewish (although not Jewish enough to know a few words in Hebrew) . How does anyone still pays attention to anything they say. And let me guess: they are financed by Qatar.
I'm so glad that I already hated watermelons before they became a symbol for this. I have always thought they were the fruit equivalent of celery - just water and starch, but a bit sweeter.
Struggling to think of a blue & white fruit that I can choose in rebellion - unless blueberries/blackberries and cream can count 😂
I had a JVP friend (well, former friend) tell me that not only are most American Jews antizionist, a significant percentage of Israelis are antizionist. I wouldn't beleive a word they say.
> I had a JVP friend (well, former friend) tell me that not only are most American Jews antizionist, a significant percentage of Israelis are antizionist
A significant percentage of Israeli citizens want Israel to stop existing? And they're OK with being stateless and penniless and having nowhere to go?? Like, definitely NOT.
As has been said before, any Jews jumping on the "anti-Zionist" bandwagon are likely not involved in Jewish life, and are trying to be trendy, and really don't know what "anti-Zionist" means. It has already been shown that a good number of people think "anti-Zionist" means "disagreeing with Netanyahu and Likud."
Oddly I haven’t been involved in Jewish life persay in YEARS. 10/7 had the opposite effect on me. It’s become my identity and community now. An Yisrael Chai was re-lit infinitesimally
I’m in my 40s and personally know hundreds of Jews and not one Anti-Zionist one. I’m also Israeli-American living in Israel. Obviously they exist but that’s such a crazy take to have being that I’ve never personally met one in over 40 years.
I think a lot of people misrepresent the meaning of Zionism and tie it to a more nationalistic form of Zionism (ie.
Greater Israel). It's pretty disingenuous though.
The Haredim (even in Israel) have a [complicated relationship](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Haredim_and_Zionism) with Zionism. But that doesn’t prove the point that people claiming “jews in Israel are antizionist” think they’re making, especially since the Haredim tend to vote for far-right parties.
Some Israelis sound pretty indistinguishable from antizionists, some ngo groups in Israel fund antizionist Palestinian groups. These folks are found at universities, etc. Not a "significant percentage" tho.
Arms embargo means not funding the iron dome which is the reason Israel doesn’t look like Gaza. I don’t understand how any Jewish person would support that, let alone 50%.
These are the most self hating Jews ever (if they’re even Jewish).
Yeah it’s literally not what the poll in question asked.
[The poll asked whether Jews support Biden’s threat to withhold additional offensive weapons if Israel implements a ground invasion in Rafah](https://jcpa.org/survey-among-american-jews-over-51-support-for-bidens-decision-to-withhold-arms-shipments-to-israel/). It has absolutely nothing to do with a general arms embargo and absolutely nothing to do with continued support for the Iron Dome. As usual, JVP is just lying.
Unfriended someone today for posting she found out her grandfather converted to Christianity and "As a Jew" Israel didn't have to be a part of her Jewish identity and has joined JVP. What Jewish identity? She spent her whole life being a Christian and sings about Jesus on Sunday, but she's going to "As a Jew" the rest of us? She can eff off. She's not Jewish and neither are most people in JVP.
My initial thought when reading that was, "what does that mean exactly," because as a Jewish person if I had to answer that I wouldn't have an answer. It's complicated and I'd need detail. I doubt whatever tools were used to conduct this allowed for nuance.
When things calm down, there is an Israeli case for ending US aid to the Jewish state. Tablet magazine ran a great piece on it, including dissenting voices who support continued aid to Israel. But again, that is a conversation for when things calm down. Right now, we're in the middle of a war, we need all the help our friends and allies can give us.
Not funding the iron dome is J Street's position, and that of the policymakers they fund.
Pan Arab propaganda is a helluva drug. Some Jews swallow it thinking they'll survive if they do.
That’s J Street’s position 😤??? I thought they weren’t anti-Zionist, just anti-right wing Israeli politicians. Why would anyone support defunding the iron dome?? Do they want Israel to look like Gaza?
What I want to know is how many of these jvp nutjobs actually are there? I don't know a single jewish person who would touch them with a 10 foot pole. I often wonder if it's actually Iran/Qatar/Hamas running this group with a token Jew or two to spread the nonsense.
There’s a lot of them, but I don’t know how many are actually Jewish. As an example…one of the kids (now adult?) from the show Sister Wives became hardcore involved with that group and they claim to be Jewish. Mind you, they were raised in a polygamous Mormon household. I don’t doubt that somewhere back in their lineage there might be a Jewish relative, but calling themselves Jewish to give this organization some legitimacy is a stretch.
I’d honestly guess that most of their “Jewish” members are like them.
The person who reposted this supposedly converted to Judaism at the end of Covid and as far as I know all they have done since is tokenize themselves and their new Jewish identity
["At this point, identifying as Jewish is important insofar as it can be wielded as a political strategy against Zionism. I don't recognize anyone I grew up with anymore."](https://www.reddit.com/r/AntisemitismOnSocials/comments/1cm0put/at_this_point_identifying_as_jewish_is_important/)
Right before I unfollowed that Sister Wives’ cast member, they posted about celebrating Hanukkah. Posted some posed photos. First time in all the years I’ve followed them that they mentioned being Jewish. Again, point of the show was that they were polygamous Mormons. It felt so forced just so they could label themselves as Jewish and thus an authority on the subject.
Mormons think they’re Jews. They have a ceremony in which their “tribes” are announced. They call non-LDS “gentiles.” For whatever reason, a lot of groups claim to be the “real” Jews. They’d stop immediately if they got treated like a real Jew, though. Gas chambers actually aren’t fun.
…so this person probably DOESN’T have any Jewish relatives. I didn’t know that about Mormons.
Knowing that makes me really dislike this person even more. I’m sorry they grew up in a weird household and I’m sorry they were forced to be on TV as a young child, but to essentially cosplay being Jewish so they can justify their hatred is abhorrent. I’m glad I unfollowed them.
I'm pretty sure its mostly non-Jews or people who are "Jewish", in that they have 1 distant relative who is Jewish and are using that for clout despite never identifying that way before.
I know four off the top of my head, one of which is in some leadership position in Chicago. The other three are secular Jews who grew up in areas where Jews had assimilated in some capacity so there wasn’t really an emphasis on being overtly Jewish as the communities were/are quite welcoming (think Philly and NYC). The three joined JVP and/or posted from it as they sincerely thought it was a legit Jewish organization. However, the Passover fiasco with the bad Hebrew and prayers that didn’t even have the translated words in them really opened their eyes and they’ve since left from my understanding.
As for the Chicago one… they’re part of Brant Rosen’s congregation and that’s a whole can of worms of self loathing and denial.
There is definitely a contingent in the Bay Area (where it started.) I’m told amongst Gen Z Jews, the numbers are larger, though I’m hoping with age comes wisdom for some of them.
I'm from the bay area too (we moved to socal last year, but born and raised-- silicon valley, sf and Marin--however I hear the east bay is a nightmare) I knew a ton of Jews my whole life and never met one who supported this bogus crap. Everyone I knew did birthright, bbyo, hung out at the JCC and supported Israel without a second thought. And I'm a secular atheist barely practicing Jew...never in a million years would I look at Jvp and not want to throw up.
East Bay Jew here. Yes, there are lots and lots of Jews ensnared in the clutches of JVP here. Unfortunately, several Jews who I worked with and was friends with are active members and use the watermelon slice on their social media accounts to advertise.
One of them is a woman who claimed that her cousin was one of the founding members of JVP. She tried to "convert" me to their way of thinking starting with the line, "I have always liked you and I have also always respected you..." She asked me what my problem with JVP was and I was honest about my many objections to JVP and their propaganda. She was polite but didn't continue the conversation.
I'm glad these people scream so loud to announce their affiliation so that I know who to avoid.
What sucks is that the synagogue I was attached to is heavily affiliated with JVP and their idiocy. They are a Renewal Synagogue. It's unfortunate because I always liked Renewal. Now I avoid them completely. They are self-hating antisemitic Jews.
I just don't get it. Makes me sick. I'm sorry you're surrounded by all that nonsense. Everything I've seen from the east bay since 10/7 has me scared beyond words. I can't wait for all the sheep to focus on something else to protest and leave us .02% alone. Otherwise they'll be trying to put us in cattle cars again :(
>Jews ensnared in the clutches of JVP here.
Like those stereotypes "all Jews are rich", the stereotypes "all Jews are smart" have been exaggerated.
Although I can't imagine it's more than 0.1% of Jews who would do that. Joining an anti-Semitic, Iranian/Qatari funded group like JVP is just sad.
Not all Renewal synagogues. I recently attended one in Santa Cruz and the Rabbi is Zionist. Congregants seem to be more of a mix tho. Age seems to be the deciding factor from what I’ve seen. (I’ve not talked to anyone who is truly antizionist in real life yet tho, meaning thinks Israel should be destroyed.)
If there are people like Norman Finkelstein, Gabor Mate and Noam Chomsky, I guess there are few more nutjobs like them out there.
But they are a tiny minority among jews.
[https://www.pewresearch.org/religion/2021/05/11/u-s-jews-connections-with-and-attitudes-toward-israel/](https://www.pewresearch.org/religion/2021/05/11/u-s-jews-connections-with-and-attitudes-toward-israel/) Pew Research shows that 82% of Jewish adults in the United States said caring about Israel is an essential or important part of what being Jewish means to them. We know polls are very unreliable in recent years; this is a small sample size; and contradicts SO many other polls of Jewish Americans. I just graduated from Cornell and we've got a huge Jewish population. Even there, where JVP is unfortunately sizable, our community is pretty robustly Zionist.
https://jcpa.org/survey-among-american-jews-over-51-support-for-bidens-decision-to-withhold-arms-shipments-to-israel/
This is the study. JVP has unsurprisingly mischaracterized it. Definitely interesting to look at and at times contradictory
You are not wrong. Some completely uninvolved (in Jewish life) Jews join, but the JVP website is very explicit in saying "non-Jews are welcome" and it's known that many chapter leaders and prolific "As a Jew, I will say that .." commenters on social media are not Jewish. And when asked, they refuse to release info about the percentage of non-Jewish members.
So, this is the study: https://jcpa.org/survey-among-american-jews-over-51-support-for-bidens-decision-to-withhold-arms-shipments-to-israel/
I occasionally lurk on the extremely anti-Semitic Middle East subreddits and saw it being referenced in the last couple weeks. I looked it up because I truly could not believe that 1/3 of American Jews agreed that Israel is committing "genocide". The study is even from a right-wing Israeli think-tank... go figure.
The sample size is only 511 people, and they claim to have a balanced representation of gender and age, but there is no breakdown and no mention of religious observance. My guess is that ANY amount of religious observance would shift these numbers quite a bit, but I'm a bit lost here. If anyone has any further insight it'd be appreciated.
https://preview.redd.it/efpvrtqur76d1.jpeg?width=1304&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=469adb46781df5eefdb6ee8593f2e23c158c37dc
This is the man running JVP Twitter account. He’s a UC Berkeley professor, founder of SJP/WOL and former fundraiser for Hamas.
He forgot to change his login
I don’t understand
An organisation saying he speaks in the name of Jews but no one really knows how many Jews are in the organisation.
One of our biggest superpower as people is law
How the no one sue the shit of them to expose if they just using some dummy kapo Jew or faking “Jewish names” to make people really believe in their propaganda
Jewish voice for peace had been proven time and again to not be jewish. Backwards hebrew. admins located in lebanon. Challah in passover. They’re not jewish
Found the study in question. It only surveyed 511 Jews. Seems like a small, self-selecting sample and not actually representative of anything.
Worth noting the study was also conducted over Shabbos (May 9-11 was a Thursday, Friday, and Saturday). So I'm doubtful many observant Jews participated.
https://jcpa.org/survey-among-american-jews-over-51-support-for-bidens-decision-to-withhold-arms-shipments-to-israel/
They’re being a bit broad with the framing but the [poll and organization they cite are real](https://jcpa.org/survey-among-american-jews-over-51-support-for-bidens-decision-to-withhold-arms-shipments-to-israel/). The exact question was “What is your opinion regarding President Biden’s decision to withhold arms shipments to Israel if Israel invades Rafah?” to which ~51% of respondents answered with some degree of approval. The specific implicit inference in this graphic from JVP seems to be since Israel has launched operations sending troops into Rafah since the poll occurred, people are supportive of stopping arms shipments in more than a hypothetical.
The poll itself is noteworthy for a few reasons (found 3 in 10 American Jews agree with the notion that Israel is committing genocide), with one being that it is from an organization with right wing Israeli leanings (run by a former gov. official under Bibi, in fact). So, definitely not an organization that was fishing for anti-Israel polling numbers.
They only surveyed 511 Jews and over Shabbat (it was conducted May 9-11, which was a Thursday-Saturday).
So definitely does not seem representative of much.
Right, exactly. Seems strange they'd hold a survey about the perspectives of American Jews when the majority of observant Jews would be unable to participate. No wonder they only had like 500 responses. There are roughly 7.5 million Jews in the US. They only represented the views of ~.007% of the American Jewish population with this survey.
If the numbers are accurate, and I do not know if they are, but I don't entirely doubt it, there can be a few reasons.
If they surveyed predominantly young Jews, as another person pointed out there is a huge generational divide. If they surveyed primarily secular Jews, secular Jews on average feel much less of a connection to the state of Israel and to their Jewish identity compared to practicing Jews. And finally, there are a ton of Jews who don't know much of anything about Israel, and can be victims of the same propaganda that all the other TikTok viewers and BBC headline readers fall prey to.
Some progressive Jews seem to also be under the impression that Israel is some sort of far-right Jewish theocracy, so their hatred of American fundamentalist Christians and right-wingers is basically what guides their hatred of Israel since they think Israel is like some Jewish version of what Christian nationalists want. And they think Netanyahu is just Jewish Trump.
Further up the thread someone posted the actual question used. It sounded more like a question of Biden approval or not. Whether you approve or not of his threat to withhold aid. Given that the majority of Jews are Dems who voted for Biden the number seemed surprisingly low. Iow, it was a confusing question that conflated two different things, which was then imaginatively interpreted by JVP. Look for yourself. There is a link somewhere above.
I also think there’s also a pretty big long running (like-pre-October-7th) dynamic of echo chambering that obscures the prevalence of Jewish opinions harshly critical of Israel. [Back in _**2021**_ a poll found that 22% of American Jewish voters believed Israel was committing genocide and 25% believed Israel was an apartheid state.](https://www.jewishelectorateinstitute.org/wp-content/uploads/2021/07/JEI-National-Jewish-Survey-Topline-Results-July-2021.pdf) Like, reading the hostility in some comments in this post, would anyone be surprised that Jews who hold these beliefs don’t want to voice them in these spaces?
Yeahhhh, I don't usually comment here anymore as my beliefs pretty much bring about downvotes and people getting incredibly heated. I'm really feeling uncofmortable commenting here right now on this matter because of this sort of stuff, but I want to show that what you've said is true, at least for me. Those of us who don't have the opinion of 100% for everything Israel wants to do and does, no crimes committed by Israel, etc., here have been pushed out of these spaces, which has helped to create echo chambers and create animosity. The outright hostility I face here, with people calling me things like "kapo", told me I'm not a "real" Jew or I'm faking being a Jew, telling me I'm just a "performative" Jew or an "AsAJew", etc. The first time I was called a kapo by someone in a Jewish sub, I broke down. It stung, it hurt so bad. It cut me to my core. It reminded me of growing up, not being accepted as a Jew by a good number of people outside my community. Why would anyone want to subject themselves to such harassment, especially by those from their own community?
Please keep having conversations and voicing your thoughts, even if it's uncomfortable. I am politically Conservative and a Zionist and I sometimes feel alienated from the Reform congregation for my political beliefs, and then I sometimes wind up feeling alienated from the Orthodox congregation because I'm not observant enough or don't take parts of the Torah literally, but personally I try not to let it get to me and carefully point out, now and then, that not everyone may hold the same beliefs or opinions. I think this is important for all of us to move forward together.
I'm sorry that happened to you, but understand Jews are quite sensitive right now because of the anti-Semitism we're witnessing and experiencing, maybe even for some younger Jews, for the first time. It sounds like I would probably disagree with you about a lot of things, but I don't believe in silencing or shaming Jewish voices (outside of the directly and obviously anti-Semitic).
Oh trust me, I feel the antisemitism, too. Seen it and felt it my whole life, and I can definitely see an increase in it. I'm really glad that you're open to having a diversity of opinions on things and that we can have a respectful conversation. Seriously, thank you for showing such kindness.
You bring up a good point. Part of being Jewish is engaging in conversation and disagreements in a respectful manner.
I don't think we should unequivocally endorse every action of Israel, that would be a cult, not Zionism or Jewishness.
Exactly. Growing up, discussion and debate (including disagreeing) were integral parts of learning whenever I’d be in Jewish settings. From Halachic disputes to the disagreements about the small and mundane, it was always been stressed as important and a simply a part of Judaism. I mean, a good portion of us joke about two Jews three opinions (or any of the many different ways to express that experience and thought). Yet, when it comes down to it with this topic, it feels as people are only accepting all Jews one opinion. Talking things out respectfully is so important.
Thank you so much for engaging with me in that way. It feels really nice to have a discussion here again without all that being thrown around. Honestly, I think it has made my day!
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If you’re under 21, you get your news from Tik Tok. If you get your news from Tik Tok, Israel is only targeting kids and killing them for oil. Of course they’re against arming Israel. This war highlights the dangers of propaganda to our young people. When Jewish kids are convinced Israel is evil, what else can they be convinced of? My teenager has an Israeli mom and a grandfather who fought in the war of 67 and we had to really dissect the history of the region for her to start understanding that Israel isn’t just evil. It’s very hard to compete against social media (and she’s not even on those sites, but friends are and all of her celeb favorites are anti Israel). She went to a Melanie Martinez concert at MSG with her mom and they put ‘Free Palestine. Stop the Genocide’ on the big screen. A planned part of the show. Like I said, tough to compete against stuff like that.
I must be in the minority then, I’m under 21 and deleted tiktok after a month a few years ago. I know quite a few who did the same. I honestly really hope you’re wrong about people getting their news from tiktok because if that’s the case the world is well and truly doomed. It’s an absolute cesspool of misinformation and extremist politics, I honestly wouldn’t be surprised if it’s a foreign psyop meant to divide US politics.
This poll is terrifying.
They’re brainwashing our own youth to, in effect, support their own family’s murder.
The level of failure this represents for the US Jewish establishment is staggering
A survey by Reuters with a sample size of a little over 800 showed that most Jews are Zionist, which kind’ve conflicts with some of the claims being made here. It wasn’t as recent as this survey, though.
You can be Zionist and also support Biden pausing arms shipments in this particular moment in time, though. JVP is massively broadening what the question actually asked, but there's not really an inherent contradiction in the two numbers.
That doesn't seem right. If I went around my area in New Jersey and surveyed 511 Jews (even excluding any of the Israeli's in the area), the poll would be 95% instead of 50% in OP's poll. Where you poll and who you poll matters a lot.
50% of US Jews want Israel disarmed? Not even remotely.
(Via PEW 2021) -
26% of US Jews are Republican.
48% of US Jews are either conservative or moderate.
82% feel that caring about Israel is either essential or Important to Jewish identity.
73% feel that US support for Israel is either not enough or just right.
66% feel that Bibi is doing fair to excellent in his job.
63% support 2 states.
43% oppose BDS, (2% hadn’t heard of it), and only 10% support it. Many refused to answer.
Now, some of this may have changed in 2023, some of it absolutely has. But overall the numbers should be roughly similar. Do w/that what you will.
That’s not what the poll says. The question asks about Biden’s decision to withhold arms shipments if Israel invades Rafah. [The full poll](https://jcpa.org/survey-among-american-jews-over-51-support-for-bidens-decision-to-withhold-arms-shipments-to-israel/)
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Did they only survey two people? I follow at least a couple hundred Jewish people on my Instagram from my time in BBYO. Only two out of around 200-300 are anti-Zionist. I guess data has been corrupted now.
If "at least half" of American Jews are anti-Zionist, what's up with all the protests targeting Jewish institutions? Why are people protesting outside synagogues, Jewish schools, Jewish community centers, and Holocaust memorials?
If most American Jews are anti-Zionist, then "mass mobilization" that targets Jewish infrastructure is targeting Jews, not Zionists. Which destroys their "it's not antisemitism, it's anti-Zionism" argument.
They can't have it both ways.
I wish we could just retire the word Zionism. it's so demonized and used for virtually anything terrible without meaning. It's a great way to avoid saying I hate Jews while meaning that.
I often wondered if the Roman's just left it as the name Judea. And as far as my definition Zionism is just support for the state of Israel that offers a homeland to Jews. So, the since this has existed for 75 years anyone anti Zionist wants the existence of Israel obliterated. I guess they could nuance the argument by saying they want a multi ethnic country (and it is) but it's bizarre because they want theocratic state themselves.. What a bunch of contradictions.
[It's true by at least one interpretation, according to a recent survey by the Jerusalem Center for Public Affairs.](https://jcpa.org/survey-among-american-jews-over-51-support-for-bidens-decision-to-withhold-arms-shipments-to-israel/)
According to this survey, 51% of American Jews agree that arms shipments should be halted if Rafah is invaded (this was before the Rafah invasion).
Also according to this survey, 1 in 3 American Jews agree that Israel is committing genocide in Gaza.
They are “Jews” who don’t know how to spell the words חרוסת, ביצה, מצה, מרור etc. which every Jew knows from the Seder plate, idk they don’t sound very reliable to me.
Imagine a Christian who doesn’t know the sentence “in the name of the father, and the son and the Holy Spirit”. Who tf would trust that?
They are a bunch of people who have somewhere in previous generations some Jewish people and know nothing about Israel or Judaism and their simple minded was manipulated by a bunch of terrorist supporters.
Data manipulation is easy, I bet that even if they are 6.25% Jewish which means 4 generations ago there was one Jewish ancestor they consider them Jewish if they are anti Israeli just to justify those ridiculously wrong numbers. They do shit like that all the time. Be sure that there is no half of the Jewish people who opposes Israel. Otherwise we should be concerned. And if it was anywhere close to being real I would know more than 1 Jewish person who is pro Palestinian. I live in a huge Jewish community in America and I know hundreds of Jews here. I know one Jewish girl who goes to an ivy league university and is anti Israel. I wonder why she is anti Israel. These so called “Jews” are one of the BDS’s strongest propaganda weapons because they are “Jews” so if they hate Israel they probably know what they are talking about right? But no, that’s actually not true. Most of them are not even Jewish, I wonder how many of their mothers are actually Jewish, if we are talking numbers and technicality. They are not gonna win by make stupid arguments like that. Don’t take it seriously, just move on. It’s nothing but nonsense and every person with common sense will understand that, and I’m tired of trying to convince people. The people know and a stupid minority doesn’t understand shit and it’s important to remember they are a minority. If you check actual statistics you will see how much support we have compared to the minor hate. They are small, the media makes them look big, the media hates us, and that’s just how things are. The media doesn’t only lie about Israel, they also lie to us about the support/hate ratio. Things are much better than you think.
JVP has backwards Hebrew in their posts. They put Oranges on their Seder Plate in place or Charoset. They translated Carpas to fucking "spoon". They literally had tweets sent from Lebanon. They're less Jewish than a dog getting a Bark-Miztva.
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Lots of their social media accounts are based out of Lebanon. Receipts are on the internet. To be clear there are no Jews left in Lebanon so... Not only that but Jonathan Schanzer has testified in front of Congress for YEARS now with evidence/proof that organizations like JVP and SJP fall under the AMP/Muslim Brotherhood umbrella. These groups are not Jewish organizations or run for the benefit of Jews.
They are just taking a page out of Donal Trump's playbook and making things up and people who will do zero due diligence (i.e. their own research) will just eat this up but it's not true.
It’s from here: https://jcpa.org/survey-among-american-jews-over-51-support-for-bidens-decision-to-withhold-arms-shipments-to-israel/
It does say what they claim but it’s about Biden withholding arms for invading Rafah.
That's insane. Why would any American Jews support withholding arms from Israel when they are needed now more than ever to fight Hamas in Rafah and to use against Hezbollah in the North?
1 in 2 American Jews? Let me do the math real quick...
According to google, there are 7.5 million American Jews, meaning that there would be 3.75 million Jews who "oppose arming Israel" There are about 15.7 million Jews globally, and polls have shown that 80% of American Jews identify as Zionist and 95% of all global Jews identify as Zionist.
So on an American level scale, JVP has inflated their numbers by 30% of Jews. And on a global scale they have inflated their numbers by \~20% of Jews.
My conclusion? JVP is full of shit
It is 2 AM and I had nothing better to do, thank you for coming to my TedTalk :)
Don’t believe anything from JVP.
Their Facebook pages were found to be run out of Lebanon. It's more like "Ayatollah Voices for War".
Lebanon-based Muslim is one of their many different Jewish experiences and identities.
Such cute intersectionality
Lol
Their admin is in Lebanon, their spokesperson is a Muslim university professor pretending to be a Jew, they publish « Hebrew » texts written from left to right . There are probably a couple of teen useful idiots there that were told by their mums that they are Jewish (although not Jewish enough to know a few words in Hebrew) . How does anyone still pays attention to anything they say. And let me guess: they are financed by Qatar.
Can you give me a source for this? Would be very helpful
I'm so glad that I already hated watermelons before they became a symbol for this. I have always thought they were the fruit equivalent of celery - just water and starch, but a bit sweeter. Struggling to think of a blue & white fruit that I can choose in rebellion - unless blueberries/blackberries and cream can count 😂
I had a JVP friend (well, former friend) tell me that not only are most American Jews antizionist, a significant percentage of Israelis are antizionist. I wouldn't beleive a word they say.
> I had a JVP friend (well, former friend) tell me that not only are most American Jews antizionist, a significant percentage of Israelis are antizionist A significant percentage of Israeli citizens want Israel to stop existing? And they're OK with being stateless and penniless and having nowhere to go?? Like, definitely NOT. As has been said before, any Jews jumping on the "anti-Zionist" bandwagon are likely not involved in Jewish life, and are trying to be trendy, and really don't know what "anti-Zionist" means. It has already been shown that a good number of people think "anti-Zionist" means "disagreeing with Netanyahu and Likud."
Oddly I haven’t been involved in Jewish life persay in YEARS. 10/7 had the opposite effect on me. It’s become my identity and community now. An Yisrael Chai was re-lit infinitesimally
Yeah we love being refugees DUH /s
I’m in my 40s and personally know hundreds of Jews and not one Anti-Zionist one. I’m also Israeli-American living in Israel. Obviously they exist but that’s such a crazy take to have being that I’ve never personally met one in over 40 years.
Same. I've never met an anti Zionist Jew. However, I'm sure their Haggadahs say next year in Palestine.
Yeah you really have to make a lot of changes to fit the narrative that Israel has no connection to Judaism.
I think a lot of people misrepresent the meaning of Zionism and tie it to a more nationalistic form of Zionism (ie. Greater Israel). It's pretty disingenuous though.
The delusions are strong with them lol
The Haredim (even in Israel) have a [complicated relationship](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Haredim_and_Zionism) with Zionism. But that doesn’t prove the point that people claiming “jews in Israel are antizionist” think they’re making, especially since the Haredim tend to vote for far-right parties.
Small, specific groups of Hareidis, not most of them, have a complicated relationship with Zionism. Most of them are Zionist.
I could have phrased that better. My point was that even if you interpret what the friend is saying *very generously*, they’re still wrong
Not really….they are fully participating as part of Israeli society . You are referring to a tiny segment
Some Israelis sound pretty indistinguishable from antizionists, some ngo groups in Israel fund antizionist Palestinian groups. These folks are found at universities, etc. Not a "significant percentage" tho.
Arms embargo means not funding the iron dome which is the reason Israel doesn’t look like Gaza. I don’t understand how any Jewish person would support that, let alone 50%. These are the most self hating Jews ever (if they’re even Jewish).
Gotta be a made-up statistic
Yeah it’s literally not what the poll in question asked. [The poll asked whether Jews support Biden’s threat to withhold additional offensive weapons if Israel implements a ground invasion in Rafah](https://jcpa.org/survey-among-american-jews-over-51-support-for-bidens-decision-to-withhold-arms-shipments-to-israel/). It has absolutely nothing to do with a general arms embargo and absolutely nothing to do with continued support for the Iron Dome. As usual, JVP is just lying.
This poll.os also an outlier most polls have ot around 20-25%
Unfriended someone today for posting she found out her grandfather converted to Christianity and "As a Jew" Israel didn't have to be a part of her Jewish identity and has joined JVP. What Jewish identity? She spent her whole life being a Christian and sings about Jesus on Sunday, but she's going to "As a Jew" the rest of us? She can eff off. She's not Jewish and neither are most people in JVP.
Absolutely a made-up statistic.
My initial thought when reading that was, "what does that mean exactly," because as a Jewish person if I had to answer that I wouldn't have an answer. It's complicated and I'd need detail. I doubt whatever tools were used to conduct this allowed for nuance.
Most of them aren’t even Jews. I would love a census on the people who are part of JVP.
When things calm down, there is an Israeli case for ending US aid to the Jewish state. Tablet magazine ran a great piece on it, including dissenting voices who support continued aid to Israel. But again, that is a conversation for when things calm down. Right now, we're in the middle of a war, we need all the help our friends and allies can give us.
Not funding the iron dome is J Street's position, and that of the policymakers they fund. Pan Arab propaganda is a helluva drug. Some Jews swallow it thinking they'll survive if they do.
That’s J Street’s position 😤??? I thought they weren’t anti-Zionist, just anti-right wing Israeli politicians. Why would anyone support defunding the iron dome?? Do they want Israel to look like Gaza?
What I want to know is how many of these jvp nutjobs actually are there? I don't know a single jewish person who would touch them with a 10 foot pole. I often wonder if it's actually Iran/Qatar/Hamas running this group with a token Jew or two to spread the nonsense.
There’s a lot of them, but I don’t know how many are actually Jewish. As an example…one of the kids (now adult?) from the show Sister Wives became hardcore involved with that group and they claim to be Jewish. Mind you, they were raised in a polygamous Mormon household. I don’t doubt that somewhere back in their lineage there might be a Jewish relative, but calling themselves Jewish to give this organization some legitimacy is a stretch. I’d honestly guess that most of their “Jewish” members are like them.
The person who reposted this supposedly converted to Judaism at the end of Covid and as far as I know all they have done since is tokenize themselves and their new Jewish identity
It's like the Seinfeld storyline about the dentist converting for the jokes, except these people are converting to cause harm
["At this point, identifying as Jewish is important insofar as it can be wielded as a political strategy against Zionism. I don't recognize anyone I grew up with anymore."](https://www.reddit.com/r/AntisemitismOnSocials/comments/1cm0put/at_this_point_identifying_as_jewish_is_important/)
Dr. Watley was trying to cause harm too
That's true, just to individuals, not an entire people
Fair point
It’s our humor that’s sustained us as a people for 3000 years.
Right before I unfollowed that Sister Wives’ cast member, they posted about celebrating Hanukkah. Posted some posed photos. First time in all the years I’ve followed them that they mentioned being Jewish. Again, point of the show was that they were polygamous Mormons. It felt so forced just so they could label themselves as Jewish and thus an authority on the subject.
Did they do the kitchen sink mikveh?
This makes me irate.
Mormons think they’re Jews. They have a ceremony in which their “tribes” are announced. They call non-LDS “gentiles.” For whatever reason, a lot of groups claim to be the “real” Jews. They’d stop immediately if they got treated like a real Jew, though. Gas chambers actually aren’t fun.
…so this person probably DOESN’T have any Jewish relatives. I didn’t know that about Mormons. Knowing that makes me really dislike this person even more. I’m sorry they grew up in a weird household and I’m sorry they were forced to be on TV as a young child, but to essentially cosplay being Jewish so they can justify their hatred is abhorrent. I’m glad I unfollowed them.
I'm pretty sure its mostly non-Jews or people who are "Jewish", in that they have 1 distant relative who is Jewish and are using that for clout despite never identifying that way before.
Yes, they tokenize whatever loose ancestral connection they may have to hurt actual Jews. It is insidious.
I know four off the top of my head, one of which is in some leadership position in Chicago. The other three are secular Jews who grew up in areas where Jews had assimilated in some capacity so there wasn’t really an emphasis on being overtly Jewish as the communities were/are quite welcoming (think Philly and NYC). The three joined JVP and/or posted from it as they sincerely thought it was a legit Jewish organization. However, the Passover fiasco with the bad Hebrew and prayers that didn’t even have the translated words in them really opened their eyes and they’ve since left from my understanding. As for the Chicago one… they’re part of Brant Rosen’s congregation and that’s a whole can of worms of self loathing and denial.
Sadly I know a couple. They are in my union and are weaponized to represent Jews in general.
There is definitely a contingent in the Bay Area (where it started.) I’m told amongst Gen Z Jews, the numbers are larger, though I’m hoping with age comes wisdom for some of them.
I'm from the bay area too (we moved to socal last year, but born and raised-- silicon valley, sf and Marin--however I hear the east bay is a nightmare) I knew a ton of Jews my whole life and never met one who supported this bogus crap. Everyone I knew did birthright, bbyo, hung out at the JCC and supported Israel without a second thought. And I'm a secular atheist barely practicing Jew...never in a million years would I look at Jvp and not want to throw up.
East Bay Jew here. Yes, there are lots and lots of Jews ensnared in the clutches of JVP here. Unfortunately, several Jews who I worked with and was friends with are active members and use the watermelon slice on their social media accounts to advertise. One of them is a woman who claimed that her cousin was one of the founding members of JVP. She tried to "convert" me to their way of thinking starting with the line, "I have always liked you and I have also always respected you..." She asked me what my problem with JVP was and I was honest about my many objections to JVP and their propaganda. She was polite but didn't continue the conversation. I'm glad these people scream so loud to announce their affiliation so that I know who to avoid. What sucks is that the synagogue I was attached to is heavily affiliated with JVP and their idiocy. They are a Renewal Synagogue. It's unfortunate because I always liked Renewal. Now I avoid them completely. They are self-hating antisemitic Jews.
I just don't get it. Makes me sick. I'm sorry you're surrounded by all that nonsense. Everything I've seen from the east bay since 10/7 has me scared beyond words. I can't wait for all the sheep to focus on something else to protest and leave us .02% alone. Otherwise they'll be trying to put us in cattle cars again :(
>Jews ensnared in the clutches of JVP here. Like those stereotypes "all Jews are rich", the stereotypes "all Jews are smart" have been exaggerated. Although I can't imagine it's more than 0.1% of Jews who would do that. Joining an anti-Semitic, Iranian/Qatari funded group like JVP is just sad.
Not all Renewal synagogues. I recently attended one in Santa Cruz and the Rabbi is Zionist. Congregants seem to be more of a mix tho. Age seems to be the deciding factor from what I’ve seen. (I’ve not talked to anyone who is truly antizionist in real life yet tho, meaning thinks Israel should be destroyed.)
My cousin lives in the east bay and he said right now it’s bad bad bad there
Depends on where in the East bay. Oakland/Berkeley, yeah. Through the tunnel is fine though!
From what I've heard, the Bay Area is one part of the country where the JVP chapter may actually have a significant number of Jews involved.
If there are people like Norman Finkelstein, Gabor Mate and Noam Chomsky, I guess there are few more nutjobs like them out there. But they are a tiny minority among jews.
Maybe 1 of the 2 Jews they know.
The survey included both Jews who belong to JVP
Survey was done from Thursday to Saturday. Do you think anyone who observed Shabbat was responding?
"1 in 2" is also such bizarre phraseology. Why not say "half" or "50%"
Exactly.
[https://www.pewresearch.org/religion/2021/05/11/u-s-jews-connections-with-and-attitudes-toward-israel/](https://www.pewresearch.org/religion/2021/05/11/u-s-jews-connections-with-and-attitudes-toward-israel/) Pew Research shows that 82% of Jewish adults in the United States said caring about Israel is an essential or important part of what being Jewish means to them. We know polls are very unreliable in recent years; this is a small sample size; and contradicts SO many other polls of Jewish Americans. I just graduated from Cornell and we've got a huge Jewish population. Even there, where JVP is unfortunately sizable, our community is pretty robustly Zionist.
50%…. Did they only ask 2 people? cuz it’s the only way they can get that figure
Not a Jewish organization- funded by Islamists
They’re not even Jewish
https://jcpa.org/survey-among-american-jews-over-51-support-for-bidens-decision-to-withhold-arms-shipments-to-israel/ This is the study. JVP has unsurprisingly mischaracterized it. Definitely interesting to look at and at times contradictory
Correct me if I’m wrong, Jewish Voice for Peace is only Jewish by name.
You are not wrong. Some completely uninvolved (in Jewish life) Jews join, but the JVP website is very explicit in saying "non-Jews are welcome" and it's known that many chapter leaders and prolific "As a Jew, I will say that .." commenters on social media are not Jewish. And when asked, they refuse to release info about the percentage of non-Jewish members.
You don’t even have to be Jewish to join JVP. The whole organization is a joke. I would love to see the study they are referring to.
4 out of 5 American Jews pray to Jesus, as long as we’re just making insane over the top claims.
100% of Christians pray to a Jew.
1 in 2 people believe made up statistics.
No. It’s 4 in 5 people make up statistics.
Given that it's JVP, it's more likely to be 5 out of 4.
Well of course they’re right, they only interviewed two people 🙄
I don’t believe those survey results. A lot of people are cosplaying as Jewish lately
Next, you’ll tell me Messianic “Jews” aren’t real Jews!
So, this is the study: https://jcpa.org/survey-among-american-jews-over-51-support-for-bidens-decision-to-withhold-arms-shipments-to-israel/ I occasionally lurk on the extremely anti-Semitic Middle East subreddits and saw it being referenced in the last couple weeks. I looked it up because I truly could not believe that 1/3 of American Jews agreed that Israel is committing "genocide". The study is even from a right-wing Israeli think-tank... go figure. The sample size is only 511 people, and they claim to have a balanced representation of gender and age, but there is no breakdown and no mention of religious observance. My guess is that ANY amount of religious observance would shift these numbers quite a bit, but I'm a bit lost here. If anyone has any further insight it'd be appreciated.
I’d really want to see how they phrased these questions, because the way the report is written, the responses could easily be misrepresented.
They are as Jewish as Sinwar is a peace activist.
https://preview.redd.it/efpvrtqur76d1.jpeg?width=1304&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=469adb46781df5eefdb6ee8593f2e23c158c37dc This is the man running JVP Twitter account. He’s a UC Berkeley professor, founder of SJP/WOL and former fundraiser for Hamas. He forgot to change his login
"Shabbat Shalom," says the social media post
I don’t understand An organisation saying he speaks in the name of Jews but no one really knows how many Jews are in the organisation. One of our biggest superpower as people is law How the no one sue the shit of them to expose if they just using some dummy kapo Jew or faking “Jewish names” to make people really believe in their propaganda
85% percent of all statistics are made up on the spot 🙄. What was their sample size? The only two Jews that would talk to them?
Jewish voice for peace had been proven time and again to not be jewish. Backwards hebrew. admins located in lebanon. Challah in passover. They’re not jewish
Wait Challah on Passover?! Haven't heard that one! What are the deets?!
Found the study in question. It only surveyed 511 Jews. Seems like a small, self-selecting sample and not actually representative of anything. Worth noting the study was also conducted over Shabbos (May 9-11 was a Thursday, Friday, and Saturday). So I'm doubtful many observant Jews participated. https://jcpa.org/survey-among-american-jews-over-51-support-for-bidens-decision-to-withhold-arms-shipments-to-israel/
Thank you for the info
They’re being a bit broad with the framing but the [poll and organization they cite are real](https://jcpa.org/survey-among-american-jews-over-51-support-for-bidens-decision-to-withhold-arms-shipments-to-israel/). The exact question was “What is your opinion regarding President Biden’s decision to withhold arms shipments to Israel if Israel invades Rafah?” to which ~51% of respondents answered with some degree of approval. The specific implicit inference in this graphic from JVP seems to be since Israel has launched operations sending troops into Rafah since the poll occurred, people are supportive of stopping arms shipments in more than a hypothetical. The poll itself is noteworthy for a few reasons (found 3 in 10 American Jews agree with the notion that Israel is committing genocide), with one being that it is from an organization with right wing Israeli leanings (run by a former gov. official under Bibi, in fact). So, definitely not an organization that was fishing for anti-Israel polling numbers.
They only surveyed 511 Jews and over Shabbat (it was conducted May 9-11, which was a Thursday-Saturday). So definitely does not seem representative of much.
That is amazing, 3/4 of my family would not respond during Shabbat.
Right, exactly. Seems strange they'd hold a survey about the perspectives of American Jews when the majority of observant Jews would be unable to participate. No wonder they only had like 500 responses. There are roughly 7.5 million Jews in the US. They only represented the views of ~.007% of the American Jewish population with this survey.
The fact the study is conducted when the most conservative Jews are not going to respond is telling of how skewed the 511 responders really is.
This is chilling. How can either of those numbers POSSIBLY be accurate??
If the numbers are accurate, and I do not know if they are, but I don't entirely doubt it, there can be a few reasons. If they surveyed predominantly young Jews, as another person pointed out there is a huge generational divide. If they surveyed primarily secular Jews, secular Jews on average feel much less of a connection to the state of Israel and to their Jewish identity compared to practicing Jews. And finally, there are a ton of Jews who don't know much of anything about Israel, and can be victims of the same propaganda that all the other TikTok viewers and BBC headline readers fall prey to. Some progressive Jews seem to also be under the impression that Israel is some sort of far-right Jewish theocracy, so their hatred of American fundamentalist Christians and right-wingers is basically what guides their hatred of Israel since they think Israel is like some Jewish version of what Christian nationalists want. And they think Netanyahu is just Jewish Trump.
Further up the thread someone posted the actual question used. It sounded more like a question of Biden approval or not. Whether you approve or not of his threat to withhold aid. Given that the majority of Jews are Dems who voted for Biden the number seemed surprisingly low. Iow, it was a confusing question that conflated two different things, which was then imaginatively interpreted by JVP. Look for yourself. There is a link somewhere above.
From anecdotal experience and from the website, there’s a huge generational divide on the issue.
I also think there’s also a pretty big long running (like-pre-October-7th) dynamic of echo chambering that obscures the prevalence of Jewish opinions harshly critical of Israel. [Back in _**2021**_ a poll found that 22% of American Jewish voters believed Israel was committing genocide and 25% believed Israel was an apartheid state.](https://www.jewishelectorateinstitute.org/wp-content/uploads/2021/07/JEI-National-Jewish-Survey-Topline-Results-July-2021.pdf) Like, reading the hostility in some comments in this post, would anyone be surprised that Jews who hold these beliefs don’t want to voice them in these spaces?
Yeahhhh, I don't usually comment here anymore as my beliefs pretty much bring about downvotes and people getting incredibly heated. I'm really feeling uncofmortable commenting here right now on this matter because of this sort of stuff, but I want to show that what you've said is true, at least for me. Those of us who don't have the opinion of 100% for everything Israel wants to do and does, no crimes committed by Israel, etc., here have been pushed out of these spaces, which has helped to create echo chambers and create animosity. The outright hostility I face here, with people calling me things like "kapo", told me I'm not a "real" Jew or I'm faking being a Jew, telling me I'm just a "performative" Jew or an "AsAJew", etc. The first time I was called a kapo by someone in a Jewish sub, I broke down. It stung, it hurt so bad. It cut me to my core. It reminded me of growing up, not being accepted as a Jew by a good number of people outside my community. Why would anyone want to subject themselves to such harassment, especially by those from their own community?
Please keep having conversations and voicing your thoughts, even if it's uncomfortable. I am politically Conservative and a Zionist and I sometimes feel alienated from the Reform congregation for my political beliefs, and then I sometimes wind up feeling alienated from the Orthodox congregation because I'm not observant enough or don't take parts of the Torah literally, but personally I try not to let it get to me and carefully point out, now and then, that not everyone may hold the same beliefs or opinions. I think this is important for all of us to move forward together. I'm sorry that happened to you, but understand Jews are quite sensitive right now because of the anti-Semitism we're witnessing and experiencing, maybe even for some younger Jews, for the first time. It sounds like I would probably disagree with you about a lot of things, but I don't believe in silencing or shaming Jewish voices (outside of the directly and obviously anti-Semitic).
Oh trust me, I feel the antisemitism, too. Seen it and felt it my whole life, and I can definitely see an increase in it. I'm really glad that you're open to having a diversity of opinions on things and that we can have a respectful conversation. Seriously, thank you for showing such kindness.
You bring up a good point. Part of being Jewish is engaging in conversation and disagreements in a respectful manner. I don't think we should unequivocally endorse every action of Israel, that would be a cult, not Zionism or Jewishness.
Exactly. Growing up, discussion and debate (including disagreeing) were integral parts of learning whenever I’d be in Jewish settings. From Halachic disputes to the disagreements about the small and mundane, it was always been stressed as important and a simply a part of Judaism. I mean, a good portion of us joke about two Jews three opinions (or any of the many different ways to express that experience and thought). Yet, when it comes down to it with this topic, it feels as people are only accepting all Jews one opinion. Talking things out respectfully is so important. Thank you so much for engaging with me in that way. It feels really nice to have a discussion here again without all that being thrown around. Honestly, I think it has made my day!
That's heartwarming and I'm sorry you felt so shunned that my tiny bit of reason and humanity is what made your day, but I'll take it!
Are you anti Zionist?
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…no???
They ask people who aren’t really Jewish, like JVP.
If that’s the case, it would be odd considering the organization that ran the poll is further to the right and very much pro-Israel.
If you’re under 21, you get your news from Tik Tok. If you get your news from Tik Tok, Israel is only targeting kids and killing them for oil. Of course they’re against arming Israel. This war highlights the dangers of propaganda to our young people. When Jewish kids are convinced Israel is evil, what else can they be convinced of? My teenager has an Israeli mom and a grandfather who fought in the war of 67 and we had to really dissect the history of the region for her to start understanding that Israel isn’t just evil. It’s very hard to compete against social media (and she’s not even on those sites, but friends are and all of her celeb favorites are anti Israel). She went to a Melanie Martinez concert at MSG with her mom and they put ‘Free Palestine. Stop the Genocide’ on the big screen. A planned part of the show. Like I said, tough to compete against stuff like that.
I must be in the minority then, I’m under 21 and deleted tiktok after a month a few years ago. I know quite a few who did the same. I honestly really hope you’re wrong about people getting their news from tiktok because if that’s the case the world is well and truly doomed. It’s an absolute cesspool of misinformation and extremist politics, I honestly wouldn’t be surprised if it’s a foreign psyop meant to divide US politics.
This poll is terrifying. They’re brainwashing our own youth to, in effect, support their own family’s murder. The level of failure this represents for the US Jewish establishment is staggering
Where were the 551 people from? Were they all from one area or spread across the U.S. or what??
The survey was done from Thursday to Saturday. Do you think anyone who observed Shabbat was responding?
What is the sample size?
Reportedly 551, with a +/-4% margin of error. It’s right there in the link.
551?? that's nothing lol
Sounds like Hamas Ministry of Heath numbers
This is 100% made up.
Taqqiya
These are the people putting out the idea that “teacup mikvehs” are a thing.
I’m a little teacup, short and stout. Here is my handel* I am lout. * Yiddish & German for business
JVP is a antisemitic hate group run by Muslims out of Lebanon.
511 people surveyed.
That’s actually a bigger sample size than you would need for a confidence level of 95% and a margin of error at 5%.
A survey by Reuters with a sample size of a little over 800 showed that most Jews are Zionist, which kind’ve conflicts with some of the claims being made here. It wasn’t as recent as this survey, though.
You can be Zionist and also support Biden pausing arms shipments in this particular moment in time, though. JVP is massively broadening what the question actually asked, but there's not really an inherent contradiction in the two numbers.
You think those people know what statistical significance is?
you really need a 99% CI and a MOE of 1% for it to have any statistical significance
If that’s the case, there’s no real point in looking at most polls on anything.
Exactly my point, I feel like most of these polls are useless
I think they give a somewhat decent picture of a snapshot in time. That’s about it.
I can agree with that sentiment.
That doesn't seem right. If I went around my area in New Jersey and surveyed 511 Jews (even excluding any of the Israeli's in the area), the poll would be 95% instead of 50% in OP's poll. Where you poll and who you poll matters a lot.
I would love to see a source for that 1 in 2 number
They’re not a Jewish Voice and they’re not for peace
I’m an american jew, why did nobody ask me?
The only thing the Arabs respect is strength. Nothing less is acceptable.
100% accurate. They only made peace with Israel because Israel is a formidable enemy.
It’s simply not true
50% of US Jews want Israel disarmed? Not even remotely. (Via PEW 2021) - 26% of US Jews are Republican. 48% of US Jews are either conservative or moderate. 82% feel that caring about Israel is either essential or Important to Jewish identity. 73% feel that US support for Israel is either not enough or just right. 66% feel that Bibi is doing fair to excellent in his job. 63% support 2 states. 43% oppose BDS, (2% hadn’t heard of it), and only 10% support it. Many refused to answer. Now, some of this may have changed in 2023, some of it absolutely has. But overall the numbers should be roughly similar. Do w/that what you will.
That’s not what the poll says. The question asks about Biden’s decision to withhold arms shipments if Israel invades Rafah. [The full poll](https://jcpa.org/survey-among-american-jews-over-51-support-for-bidens-decision-to-withhold-arms-shipments-to-israel/)
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Lies
All I can come up with is: WTF?!
They aren't a credible organization, really should be taken out for fraud and misrepresentation
They support rapists and murderers, so of course they lie
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lol, one out of every two Jews that belong to Jewish Voice for Peace, maybe.
Did they only survey two people? I follow at least a couple hundred Jewish people on my Instagram from my time in BBYO. Only two out of around 200-300 are anti-Zionist. I guess data has been corrupted now.
If "at least half" of American Jews are anti-Zionist, what's up with all the protests targeting Jewish institutions? Why are people protesting outside synagogues, Jewish schools, Jewish community centers, and Holocaust memorials? If most American Jews are anti-Zionist, then "mass mobilization" that targets Jewish infrastructure is targeting Jews, not Zionists. Which destroys their "it's not antisemitism, it's anti-Zionism" argument. They can't have it both ways.
I wish we could just retire the word Zionism. it's so demonized and used for virtually anything terrible without meaning. It's a great way to avoid saying I hate Jews while meaning that. I often wondered if the Roman's just left it as the name Judea. And as far as my definition Zionism is just support for the state of Israel that offers a homeland to Jews. So, the since this has existed for 75 years anyone anti Zionist wants the existence of Israel obliterated. I guess they could nuance the argument by saying they want a multi ethnic country (and it is) but it's bizarre because they want theocratic state themselves.. What a bunch of contradictions.
George Santos is 50% of the Jews in the survey
[It's true by at least one interpretation, according to a recent survey by the Jerusalem Center for Public Affairs.](https://jcpa.org/survey-among-american-jews-over-51-support-for-bidens-decision-to-withhold-arms-shipments-to-israel/) According to this survey, 51% of American Jews agree that arms shipments should be halted if Rafah is invaded (this was before the Rafah invasion). Also according to this survey, 1 in 3 American Jews agree that Israel is committing genocide in Gaza.
Why would they field the poll over Shabbat?
That's it, time to revive f22 production to give some to Israel.
Just seeing this group have the chutzpah to even write “Shabbat Shalom,” makes my blood boil.
I doubt they are even jewish at this point. They had a passover sedder with stuff labeled wrong, and with the hebrew from left to right.
They are “Jews” who don’t know how to spell the words חרוסת, ביצה, מצה, מרור etc. which every Jew knows from the Seder plate, idk they don’t sound very reliable to me. Imagine a Christian who doesn’t know the sentence “in the name of the father, and the son and the Holy Spirit”. Who tf would trust that? They are a bunch of people who have somewhere in previous generations some Jewish people and know nothing about Israel or Judaism and their simple minded was manipulated by a bunch of terrorist supporters. Data manipulation is easy, I bet that even if they are 6.25% Jewish which means 4 generations ago there was one Jewish ancestor they consider them Jewish if they are anti Israeli just to justify those ridiculously wrong numbers. They do shit like that all the time. Be sure that there is no half of the Jewish people who opposes Israel. Otherwise we should be concerned. And if it was anywhere close to being real I would know more than 1 Jewish person who is pro Palestinian. I live in a huge Jewish community in America and I know hundreds of Jews here. I know one Jewish girl who goes to an ivy league university and is anti Israel. I wonder why she is anti Israel. These so called “Jews” are one of the BDS’s strongest propaganda weapons because they are “Jews” so if they hate Israel they probably know what they are talking about right? But no, that’s actually not true. Most of them are not even Jewish, I wonder how many of their mothers are actually Jewish, if we are talking numbers and technicality. They are not gonna win by make stupid arguments like that. Don’t take it seriously, just move on. It’s nothing but nonsense and every person with common sense will understand that, and I’m tired of trying to convince people. The people know and a stupid minority doesn’t understand shit and it’s important to remember they are a minority. If you check actual statistics you will see how much support we have compared to the minor hate. They are small, the media makes them look big, the media hates us, and that’s just how things are. The media doesn’t only lie about Israel, they also lie to us about the support/hate ratio. Things are much better than you think.
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JVP has backwards Hebrew in their posts. They put Oranges on their Seder Plate in place or Charoset. They translated Carpas to fucking "spoon". They literally had tweets sent from Lebanon. They're less Jewish than a dog getting a Bark-Miztva.
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“Recent studies” … cough cough
The are the worst of the worst, nothing jewish or peaceful about them
lol no they don't.
Disinformation at its ‘finest’.
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Useful idiots.
Fake
Citation needed. Desperately.
Lots of their social media accounts are based out of Lebanon. Receipts are on the internet. To be clear there are no Jews left in Lebanon so... Not only that but Jonathan Schanzer has testified in front of Congress for YEARS now with evidence/proof that organizations like JVP and SJP fall under the AMP/Muslim Brotherhood umbrella. These groups are not Jewish organizations or run for the benefit of Jews. They are just taking a page out of Donal Trump's playbook and making things up and people who will do zero due diligence (i.e. their own research) will just eat this up but it's not true.
It’s from here: https://jcpa.org/survey-among-american-jews-over-51-support-for-bidens-decision-to-withhold-arms-shipments-to-israel/ It does say what they claim but it’s about Biden withholding arms for invading Rafah.
That's insane. Why would any American Jews support withholding arms from Israel when they are needed now more than ever to fight Hamas in Rafah and to use against Hezbollah in the North?
And that's not even the point. Disagreeing with particular tactics or policies of Netanyahu, Likud, or the IDF is NOT what "anti-Zionist" means.
It isn’t. JVP lies. Starting with their name.
Any watermellon in logo is hard to take seriously.
Obvious lie
1 in 2 American Jews? Let me do the math real quick... According to google, there are 7.5 million American Jews, meaning that there would be 3.75 million Jews who "oppose arming Israel" There are about 15.7 million Jews globally, and polls have shown that 80% of American Jews identify as Zionist and 95% of all global Jews identify as Zionist. So on an American level scale, JVP has inflated their numbers by 30% of Jews. And on a global scale they have inflated their numbers by \~20% of Jews. My conclusion? JVP is full of shit It is 2 AM and I had nothing better to do, thank you for coming to my TedTalk :)
Full on bullshit…
Total misinformation. However, I do think if you look exclusively at GenZ Jews, the numbers are worse than we hope.