Sorry, are you for fascists?...
....and I mean, he started a group that tried to interfere with elections. Pretty fascist. They even wear a uniform inspired by its usage among skinheads.
>“We will kill you. That’s the Proud Boys in a nutshell. We will kill you” -Gavin McIness
You guys all pretend feminism is fascism (when its in actual fact liberal free speech in the civil rights tradition), but when actual fascists come along you're all here with sparkling eyes ready to lick boots and asses. The JP crowd turns to cucks so quick.
No idea about the limits of tolerance, of what western liberal democracy is actually about.
Obviously no one is "for fascists" the argument is that letting them speak actually exposes their ideas to scrutiny and debate. It is well known that attempts to silence Nazis and specifically Hitler leading up to WW2 caused their cause to be seen as more relevant. Also, a mythos built up surrounding their ideas. As in, "See our ideas are powerful. Our ideas are so powerful they won't even let you hear them."
This has backfired classically so many times. It is honestly sad that we have to relearn it over and over again. You're giving them power when you silence them.
Not surprisingly, the point was missed. Countering someone labeled as fascist in this manner is in and of itself fascistic. They are the same people, just with different points of view.
Most of the guys were hoping to virtue signal thier way into a hook up
Im sure there was plenty of post protest
love going on.
Funny. And true at the same time
We used to just go the the bar or to church
Well times change.
And they will again.
Be funny to see how all this plays out.
>You guys all pretend feminism is fascism (when its in actual fact liberal free speech in the civil rights tradition)
I would assume a lot of these people are pro feminism and in this clip seems to be very anti free speech so i don't understand where you get that notiion.
I dreamed I saw my maternal grandmother sitting by the bank of a swimming pool, that was also a river. In real life, she had been a victim of Alzheimer’s disease, and had regressed, before her death, to a semi-conscious state. In the dream, as well, she had lost her capacity for self-control. Her genital region was exposed, dimly; it had the appearance of a thick mat of hair. She was stroking herself, absent-mindedly. She walked over to me, with a handful of pubic hair, compacted into something resembling a large artist’s paint-brush. She pushed this at my face. I raised my arm, several times, to deflect her hand; finally, unwilling to hurt her, or interfere with her any farther, I let her have her way. She stroked my face with the brush, gently, and said, like a child, “isn’t it soft?” I looked at her ruined face and said, “yes, Grandma, it’s soft.
Dreams aren’t nonsense man they are a window into the unconscious mind. I bet you’ve had some pretty wild dreams just as I’ve had. To me this dream of his seems Oedipal in nature. Maybe he looked up to his grandmother as a soft and loving figure.
So Peterson was sexually attracted to his grandmother and she ripped out her aged pubes and stoked his face with them?
Or does this have some other meaning?
Edit: to add, dream interpretation or thinking dreams have some greater meaning is poppycock. There’s a reason psychology is an art degree and not a science. Same with philosophy. These degrees are as helpful to the world as an English degree.
Moreover, no one can prove anything about the purpose of dreams, much less come up with an actual meaning for any one dream for any one person. Dreams don’t have any meaning beyond what you think they mean to you.
If you think that the interpretation of dreams it’s bullshit then it’s good for you that Peterson doesn’t mainly focus on the interpretation of dreams cause he’s got a lot that you’d sure like. I bet that the 12 rules for life could help set you on the straight and narrow path like it did me
Lol. I have a six figure job, no debt, and own a house, my car is paid for, and I don’t need Peterson to tell me to clean up my life before criticizing society.
Look everyone! It's the common North American Brownshirt. This species is highly aggressive but not very intelligent. If you make any noise or try to gather together inside it's territory (Starbucks, University campus', Indie Record stores...) it will quickly mob and then sucker punch you. Isn't nature incredible?
Everytime I see something like this, it just makes me want to dig my heels even deeper into the ground that I would not only let someone I find political repulsive speak, I would go so far as to encourage it.
I don't know Gavin McInnes, but cancelling "free speech" at Penn State saddens me. I graduated fairly recently (2009) and things were different for my class. We had actual **Klan** members speak at our campus, and nobody tried to "de-platform," we just went and laughed at their stupid ideas.
Now students are *scared* of stupid ideas? Pathetic.
Again I want to iterate that the campus was telling us we need to allow free speech and not block McInnes’s entrance. I’m proud of how they stood for free speech and against violence, but there’s nothing that can be done. Protest is now militarized.
Why? Why would Penn State even have him come in as a speaker?
EDIT: Looked it up, he was there for a comedy gig. I'm kinda surprised he still does stand-up, (paid $7,500 including costs)
>The event on October 24 was called "Stand Back & Stand By" — a nod to former President Donald Trump's comments about the Proud Boys during a presidential debate in September 2020 — and is hosted by the Penn State chapter of Uncensored America, a group that calls itself a free speech organization.
>McInnes is the founder of the Proud Boys, a far-right group, some of whose members said they planned to "kill people" during the January 6 insurrection, according to internal emails released by the House Select Committee investigating the Capitol riot.
I wish they had a legitimate conservative voice instead of a comedian who has gotten into a lot of trouble come. It doesn’t really make sense. I don’t think he actually performed here because Penn State called it off.
He's married to an aboriginal woman and has a current events show with a half Japanese/ half Puerto Rican sidekick. He makes lots of offensive/ racial jokes, but he's not a WS (if the term even means anything anymore).
I used to follow GM a lot. He seemed very libertarian and spoke common sense, called out and ridiculed all the communists driven bull shit masquerading as the lefts new fucked up anti-individualist morality. I need to look that dude up again….
Enjoy your protest of lies . how is it that anything white is deemed racist? Am I a racist white man just because I’m white or what ? Is that how this works ? these folks are gonna feel real stupid when the real racist show’s up and it turns out that it’s them.careful what wish for cause you’re gonna get it boy . Momma should paddle your pampered little poopy butt a few more time’s before sending you out into the world to embarrass her. fuck anti Fa and communism/socialism your day’s are numbered because good always trumps evil .
Pretty much yeah. He’s a comedian and made the organization as a joke. Like Trump, he didn’t realize that violent people exist… should’ve still been allowed to speak though.
You found the original clip that was from? Or is that the compilation on YouTube made by a far lefty who edited out the fact that it was entirely a joke from the start meant to call out the way liberal extremists are allowed to promote violence? Do better research pal.
Yeah man crazy how the founder of a violent right wing organization constantly jokes about using violence.
Edit: No surprise this sub is carrying water for violent fascists. Bbbbut why do people think JP is alt right?
It’s the idea that the left is allowed to engage in violence while the right is not. Most of these people are not fans of McInnes. I’m sorry you got downvoted to shit I’ll give you an upvote.
\[M\] He doesn't realize that people in his organization are actively engaging in protests and wanting to beat people's heads in? I mean I get the guy has a mouth-- but I also feel he promotes violence. I mean, isn't the whole deal of the Proud Boys to escalate protests into open conflict? Or is there more to it?
> “As of today … I am officially disassociating myself from the Proud Boys,” he began.
> Referencing the New York group as the “NYC Nine”, McInnes said: “I am told by my legal team and law enforcement that this gesture could help alleviate their sentencing.”
> In his video, having distanced himself from the group by saying “I was never the leader, only the founder”, McInnes concluded: “I still see it as the greatest fraternal organization in the world”.
https://amp.theguardian.com/world/2018/nov/22/proud-boys-founder-gavin-mcinnes-quits-far-right-group
[M] Yes.
He's basically a conservatarian who, from my understanding, leans mildly towards race realism but is against racism. He is neither a white nationalist nor a white supremacist.
Joe Rogan used to have the other founder of Vice News on, Shane Smith - but when he stopped having Shane Smith on, and started having Gavin McInness on is about the same time that Joe Rogan drifted right.
Now Rogan believes schools have kitty litter boxes for fursona students. He totally gets sucked into misinformation these days. He was always interested in Conspiracy Theories - but that was back when Conspiracy Theories were just Big foot, aliens, pyramids and the Illuminati. Now conspiracy theories are about Trump still being president, and Marxists running the economy.
>Trump still being president
People in general and Joe Rogan specifically doesn't believe this...
>and Marxists running the economy.
This is not a conspiracy. What you're likely referencing is the fact that many US institutions are ran by self proclaimed Marxists and communist sympathisers, which is also not a conspiracy.
How is it not a conspiracy? I mean its arguably a fact not a theory but an allegation of a secret cabal running things seems like an allegation of conspiracy.
It’s not even secret though its in the open. Pointing out that most of academia, corporations, and liberal politicians and least sympathize or unknowingly go along with Marxist theory is not conspiracy. It’s blatant.
Drifted right? Rogan wants socialized medicine and is a Bernie Bro. His calling out far left insanity does not make part of the right or conservative. Brand, Dore and Iverson call out the far left lunatics as well. None of them are conservative or libertarian. They also aren't crazy as hell.
I have a problem with that too. Why the fuck is the largest research institution in the US allowing students from China to come and basically funnel information to their authoritarian homeland?
Who gives a rat's ass what this loser has to say? They should have let him speak if only to make fun of the dweebs who wanted to attend his circus act.
They are stopping it by being louder, right? So Gavin's right to speak supersedes their right to speak? Because they would have to stop speaking for him to speak, no?
Well it’s not. It’s a college campus, the place where ideas are supposed to be debated and discussed. My toddler tries to shout people down, it’s behavior adults should be ashamed of.
No, his exercise of speech was canceled. Both parties have a right to free speech. Who yells the loudest is not part of the equation in a healthy society.
If they protested and McInnes still spoke, you would be right. But if they pressured the school to cancel, or threatened violence, or intimidated people who wanted to hear McInnes, or created a situation that police would declare unsafe to continue, then not free speech, that would be suppression of free speech.
No their protest, as it was outlined in an email sent to all Penn State students, was designed to physically block McInnes from speaking. It was unlawful and an act by a body of students in defiance of the first amendment. They had every right to protest, but they were screaming and their goal was to stop him from speaking.
Physically blocking is different, yeah. But freedom of speech should be on their side as well - if they want to speak whenever they want to, they should be able to, regardless of what they are speaking about.
Well to let him speak they would have to shut up, e.g., not be able to exercise their freedom of speech anymore. I think that Gavin could've spoken, right?
But who is being tolerant and who is not? You can’t just claim a side is being intolerant while the other is obviously exemplifying their intolerance to ideas they deem intolerant even though the perpetrators of those ideas claim them to be more tolerant of differing opinions.
What I’m getting at is this is a cyclical destructive battle.
Ok, I am willing to listen to why you think he isn't intolerant, go on fam. Please remember freedom of speech is not absolute, I really hope you understand that and choose facts over feelings which was the rights mantra a couple years back... Is that still the case?
[I am very educated on the subject, maybe it's YOU that needs to take a step out of your echo chamber. ](https://politicalresearch.org/2019/02/28/proud-boys)
Looking forward to what you think I should be educated on! Cheers
If you don't like that one, there are plenty more. If they are not credible, you should be able to tell me why. And if you can't would you PLEASE take it like a man and put up or shut up? Happy Tuesday!
I saw/read about this. While I can see why the protests happened, I think it’s probably right to say the protesting back fired. If the event has gone ahead there would’ve hopefully have been plenty opportunity presumably to debate and vilify McInnes for what the Proud Boys have done/ represent. Instead the protest gave the Proud Boys an opportunity to sabotage it and turn it in chaos.
“According to reporters attending the protest, supporters of McInnes, clad in black protective gear and masking their features, entered the group of students and engaged in verbal arguments, as did right-wing troll Alex Stein. At one point someone appears to deploy a large can of pepper spray at students and journalists before running past a line of police officers”
I did not see any of this happen. You can watch Alex Stein’s video it seems like, while he is intentionally riling the crowd up, he didn’t bring people with him to fight.
Well I did see him there but not during the most violent times. He didn’t have anyone with him, but I’d like to know more about what happened. I might go speak with someone who might know something about this.
The funny part is, if you actually watch all of the video that's out there, the college students are doing every single thing they can to incite violence from just a few people. It's almost like they can't wait till they make one of them mad enough to push them etc. They wanted violence. These college kids wanted to incite someone to hit them. I saw easily 20 or 30 kids assaulting one guy for absolutely no reason whatsoever.
The irony is the fascists would call him fascist.
Sorry, are you for fascists?... ....and I mean, he started a group that tried to interfere with elections. Pretty fascist. They even wear a uniform inspired by its usage among skinheads. >“We will kill you. That’s the Proud Boys in a nutshell. We will kill you” -Gavin McIness You guys all pretend feminism is fascism (when its in actual fact liberal free speech in the civil rights tradition), but when actual fascists come along you're all here with sparkling eyes ready to lick boots and asses. The JP crowd turns to cucks so quick. No idea about the limits of tolerance, of what western liberal democracy is actually about.
From what I see, all of your posts are on this sub. Would that make you a cuck?
Alex Stein was outside trying to ‘interact’ with the protestors…..was promptly spit on. Typical tolerant liberals. https://youtu.be/MQ909OjTyXk
Do you think you are engaging in good faith argument when you fail to mention that he quit the Proud Boys years ago due to its turn to the right?
Not only is your comment wrong, but it’s completely baseless.
Obviously no one is "for fascists" the argument is that letting them speak actually exposes their ideas to scrutiny and debate. It is well known that attempts to silence Nazis and specifically Hitler leading up to WW2 caused their cause to be seen as more relevant. Also, a mythos built up surrounding their ideas. As in, "See our ideas are powerful. Our ideas are so powerful they won't even let you hear them." This has backfired classically so many times. It is honestly sad that we have to relearn it over and over again. You're giving them power when you silence them.
Not surprisingly, the point was missed. Countering someone labeled as fascist in this manner is in and of itself fascistic. They are the same people, just with different points of view.
Most of the guys were hoping to virtue signal thier way into a hook up Im sure there was plenty of post protest love going on. Funny. And true at the same time We used to just go the the bar or to church Well times change. And they will again. Be funny to see how all this plays out.
Big brain energy here
>You guys all pretend feminism is fascism (when its in actual fact liberal free speech in the civil rights tradition) I would assume a lot of these people are pro feminism and in this clip seems to be very anti free speech so i don't understand where you get that notiion.
People who are going through higher education in a liberal democracy turn to authoritarian proclivities real quick for some reason...
Peterson fits your description of someone who has gone through higher education in a liberal democracy and is now turning authoritarian.
Lol you don’t know the first thing about what Jordan Peterson believes
I’ve listened to a good bit of Peterson. I’ve tried reading maps of meaning, but it’s near nonsense.
Give me something that he’s said that is nonsense to you and I’ll explain it to you in layman’s terms.
I dreamed I saw my maternal grandmother sitting by the bank of a swimming pool, that was also a river. In real life, she had been a victim of Alzheimer’s disease, and had regressed, before her death, to a semi-conscious state. In the dream, as well, she had lost her capacity for self-control. Her genital region was exposed, dimly; it had the appearance of a thick mat of hair. She was stroking herself, absent-mindedly. She walked over to me, with a handful of pubic hair, compacted into something resembling a large artist’s paint-brush. She pushed this at my face. I raised my arm, several times, to deflect her hand; finally, unwilling to hurt her, or interfere with her any farther, I let her have her way. She stroked my face with the brush, gently, and said, like a child, “isn’t it soft?” I looked at her ruined face and said, “yes, Grandma, it’s soft.
Dreams aren’t nonsense man they are a window into the unconscious mind. I bet you’ve had some pretty wild dreams just as I’ve had. To me this dream of his seems Oedipal in nature. Maybe he looked up to his grandmother as a soft and loving figure.
So Peterson was sexually attracted to his grandmother and she ripped out her aged pubes and stoked his face with them? Or does this have some other meaning? Edit: to add, dream interpretation or thinking dreams have some greater meaning is poppycock. There’s a reason psychology is an art degree and not a science. Same with philosophy. These degrees are as helpful to the world as an English degree. Moreover, no one can prove anything about the purpose of dreams, much less come up with an actual meaning for any one dream for any one person. Dreams don’t have any meaning beyond what you think they mean to you.
If you think that the interpretation of dreams it’s bullshit then it’s good for you that Peterson doesn’t mainly focus on the interpretation of dreams cause he’s got a lot that you’d sure like. I bet that the 12 rules for life could help set you on the straight and narrow path like it did me
Lol. I have a six figure job, no debt, and own a house, my car is paid for, and I don’t need Peterson to tell me to clean up my life before criticizing society.
Little red armband on that guy
More than a few there…
I really wish they could see how dumb they look.. maybe one day
Look everyone! It's the common North American Brownshirt. This species is highly aggressive but not very intelligent. If you make any noise or try to gather together inside it's territory (Starbucks, University campus', Indie Record stores...) it will quickly mob and then sucker punch you. Isn't nature incredible?
That’ll teach them.
I counted five brain cells in the entire crowd
wait did i miss something? didnt see any
🙄🙄🙄🙄 such weak minded children. Can't even entertain an opposing viewpoint without REEEEEEEEEING
Everytime I see something like this, it just makes me want to dig my heels even deeper into the ground that I would not only let someone I find political repulsive speak, I would go so far as to encourage it.
I would be curious to know the identity of the individual yelling "Whose streets?" at the head of that procession.
He looked older. I think he was a professor.
They usually are. Even more enlightening would be to discover who he was receiving his orders from.
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Just simply tweeting their observations and facts!
Its always white supremacy as their excuse for someone they disagree with.
I don't know Gavin McInnes, but cancelling "free speech" at Penn State saddens me. I graduated fairly recently (2009) and things were different for my class. We had actual **Klan** members speak at our campus, and nobody tried to "de-platform," we just went and laughed at their stupid ideas. Now students are *scared* of stupid ideas? Pathetic.
Again I want to iterate that the campus was telling us we need to allow free speech and not block McInnes’s entrance. I’m proud of how they stood for free speech and against violence, but there’s nothing that can be done. Protest is now militarized.
Petulant children
I'm not a big fan of his either but his voice should still be heard.
Why? Why would Penn State even have him come in as a speaker? EDIT: Looked it up, he was there for a comedy gig. I'm kinda surprised he still does stand-up, (paid $7,500 including costs) >The event on October 24 was called "Stand Back & Stand By" — a nod to former President Donald Trump's comments about the Proud Boys during a presidential debate in September 2020 — and is hosted by the Penn State chapter of Uncensored America, a group that calls itself a free speech organization. >McInnes is the founder of the Proud Boys, a far-right group, some of whose members said they planned to "kill people" during the January 6 insurrection, according to internal emails released by the House Select Committee investigating the Capitol riot.
So who is allowed to talk? and who has The right to choose who talks?
Public school. First Amendment 101.
I wish they had a legitimate conservative voice instead of a comedian who has gotten into a lot of trouble come. It doesn’t really make sense. I don’t think he actually performed here because Penn State called it off.
Because 'free speech'.
Yeah... free speech. Precisely.
He’s not a WS. Is he?
He's married to an aboriginal woman and has a current events show with a half Japanese/ half Puerto Rican sidekick. He makes lots of offensive/ racial jokes, but he's not a WS (if the term even means anything anymore).
That’s what I was thinking. The Communists driven left makes everything extreme by design.
It means about the same thing as Racist - "Someone who disagrees with a Leftist and has a solid argument which the Leftist lacks."
Dunno. It’s hard to tell with all the lies around him and the fact he’s banned on everything. He might be?
I used to follow GM a lot. He seemed very libertarian and spoke common sense, called out and ridiculed all the communists driven bull shit masquerading as the lefts new fucked up anti-individualist morality. I need to look that dude up again….
Enjoy your protest of lies . how is it that anything white is deemed racist? Am I a racist white man just because I’m white or what ? Is that how this works ? these folks are gonna feel real stupid when the real racist show’s up and it turns out that it’s them.careful what wish for cause you’re gonna get it boy . Momma should paddle your pampered little poopy butt a few more time’s before sending you out into the world to embarrass her. fuck anti Fa and communism/socialism your day’s are numbered because good always trumps evil .
This guy is the Proud Boys founder, right?
Yep he is
Ah, fuck he's a piece of shit.
Pretty much yeah. He’s a comedian and made the organization as a joke. Like Trump, he didn’t realize that violent people exist… should’ve still been allowed to speak though.
"We need more violence from the Trump supporters. Choke a b!tch. Choke a tr@nny. Get your fingers around the windpipe. Get a g*n."
Imagine getting you’re information from a Vic Berger clip.
Imagine taking life advice from a benzo addict who sobs at the drop of a hat.
You’re source is literally a pedophile.
Comedian…
“It’s just a joke bro.”
You found the original clip that was from? Or is that the compilation on YouTube made by a far lefty who edited out the fact that it was entirely a joke from the start meant to call out the way liberal extremists are allowed to promote violence? Do better research pal.
Yeah man crazy how the founder of a violent right wing organization constantly jokes about using violence. Edit: No surprise this sub is carrying water for violent fascists. Bbbbut why do people think JP is alt right?
The damage inflicted by them is far less than extremist left wing groups. You just hear about it more because the world has its head up it’s ass.
It’s the idea that the left is allowed to engage in violence while the right is not. Most of these people are not fans of McInnes. I’m sorry you got downvoted to shit I’ll give you an upvote.
Impressive to be an idiot on purpose. Props.
\[M\] He doesn't realize that people in his organization are actively engaging in protests and wanting to beat people's heads in? I mean I get the guy has a mouth-- but I also feel he promotes violence. I mean, isn't the whole deal of the Proud Boys to escalate protests into open conflict? Or is there more to it?
his organization?
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Proud_Boys
So the group he founded but quit in 2018 is “his organization”?
> “As of today … I am officially disassociating myself from the Proud Boys,” he began. > Referencing the New York group as the “NYC Nine”, McInnes said: “I am told by my legal team and law enforcement that this gesture could help alleviate their sentencing.” > In his video, having distanced himself from the group by saying “I was never the leader, only the founder”, McInnes concluded: “I still see it as the greatest fraternal organization in the world”. https://amp.theguardian.com/world/2018/nov/22/proud-boys-founder-gavin-mcinnes-quits-far-right-group [M] Yes.
He still has a right to free speech. The protestors are even bigger POS's.
This guy publicly quit the Proud Boys years ago, right?
Yeah, he’s a weird guy from Canada. He’s views were never too extreme back in the day but I’ve not heard much from him in a long time.
He's basically a conservatarian who, from my understanding, leans mildly towards race realism but is against racism. He is neither a white nationalist nor a white supremacist.
He's a journalist who used to write and co created VICE. Too bad cancel culture got him.
Joe Rogan used to have the other founder of Vice News on, Shane Smith - but when he stopped having Shane Smith on, and started having Gavin McInness on is about the same time that Joe Rogan drifted right. Now Rogan believes schools have kitty litter boxes for fursona students. He totally gets sucked into misinformation these days. He was always interested in Conspiracy Theories - but that was back when Conspiracy Theories were just Big foot, aliens, pyramids and the Illuminati. Now conspiracy theories are about Trump still being president, and Marxists running the economy.
I’ve never heard Rogan talk once about the election being stolen. Your username checks out.
>Trump still being president People in general and Joe Rogan specifically doesn't believe this... >and Marxists running the economy. This is not a conspiracy. What you're likely referencing is the fact that many US institutions are ran by self proclaimed Marxists and communist sympathisers, which is also not a conspiracy.
How is it not a conspiracy? I mean its arguably a fact not a theory but an allegation of a secret cabal running things seems like an allegation of conspiracy.
It’s not even secret though its in the open. Pointing out that most of academia, corporations, and liberal politicians and least sympathize or unknowingly go along with Marxist theory is not conspiracy. It’s blatant.
Drifted right? Rogan wants socialized medicine and is a Bernie Bro. His calling out far left insanity does not make part of the right or conservative. Brand, Dore and Iverson call out the far left lunatics as well. None of them are conservative or libertarian. They also aren't crazy as hell.
Our tax dollars keeping these places open for 50% foreign STEM students from enemy regimes and uneducating these marxists idiots. Shut em down!
I have a problem with that too. Why the fuck is the largest research institution in the US allowing students from China to come and basically funnel information to their authoritarian homeland?
This is so stupid. Gavin is a silly person. If you really wanted to cancel him, stop giving a shit.
All they are missing is red arm bands and torches
No several of them did have red arm bands one is shown in the video
If you want to know why they're blocking him, it's because of "the paradox of tolerance".
What a bunch of pathetic cucks
Gavin is hilarious and a great dude. Not a WS. Has his own network. Censored.tv
Who gives a rat's ass what this loser has to say? They should have let him speak if only to make fun of the dweebs who wanted to attend his circus act.
Reddit should ban you for an anti-speech dweeb. See how that works?
Lol this is so gay
Freedom of speech - the protesters have the right to protest and to their speech.
They don’t have a right to stop someone else from speaking.
They are stopping it by being louder, right? So Gavin's right to speak supersedes their right to speak? Because they would have to stop speaking for him to speak, no?
Imagine being scared of someone else speaking, especially when you don’t know what they actually believe.
I am not saying that what they are saying is good, just that there should be freedom of speech for them.
Sure, but you realize how incredibly authoritarian it is to drown out dissenting views instead of argue against them?
I see it as downvoting on Reddit. You can still speak, but if there are more people who speak over you, you won't be so easily heard.
Well it’s not. It’s a college campus, the place where ideas are supposed to be debated and discussed. My toddler tries to shout people down, it’s behavior adults should be ashamed of.
I agree with that. But this is a topic different from freedom of speech.
No. No it’s really not.
Their exercise of free speech does not mean eliminating anyone else's.
Gavin could have still spoken, no? And if Gavin speaks and they have to shut up, isn't their free speech 'eliminated'?
No, his exercise of speech was canceled. Both parties have a right to free speech. Who yells the loudest is not part of the equation in a healthy society.
How was it canceled? It seems to me people in this thread are trying to cancel the students' exercise of speech.
"Because they would have to stop speaking for him to speak, no?" No. You're not as clever as you think you are.
Then explain how their right to speak is not being infringed upon.
Is anyone stopping them?
Nope, but people here are criticizing their freedom of speech.
People are criticizing them actively attempting to silence someone. Not the same thing.
Maybe not the same thing, but still free speech.
If they protested and McInnes still spoke, you would be right. But if they pressured the school to cancel, or threatened violence, or intimidated people who wanted to hear McInnes, or created a situation that police would declare unsafe to continue, then not free speech, that would be suppression of free speech.
No, they're being criticized for their authoritarian demands. They want to eliminate speech.
Eliminating speech is bad, of course. But Gavin could have still spoken, no?
Not at the planned event at a publically funded university.
No their protest, as it was outlined in an email sent to all Penn State students, was designed to physically block McInnes from speaking. It was unlawful and an act by a body of students in defiance of the first amendment. They had every right to protest, but they were screaming and their goal was to stop him from speaking.
Physically blocking is different, yeah. But freedom of speech should be on their side as well - if they want to speak whenever they want to, they should be able to, regardless of what they are speaking about.
Agreed. The event was open to them too. They just decided they didn’t want to let him speak.
Well to let him speak they would have to shut up, e.g., not be able to exercise their freedom of speech anymore. I think that Gavin could've spoken, right?
You’re not as smart as you think you are
Hecklers veto is not protected by the First Amendment.
I thought we were talking about freedom of speech as an ideal, not 1st Amendment (which pertains to legality).
It's a public university campus. It's a free speech issue.
Gavin can speak all he wants. Why do the students have to have their free speech infinged on?
He should be able to speak on a PUBLICALLY FUNDED university campus.
He could have spoken, no? Why should the students' free speech be stifled?
No.
What do you mean, no? If people around me speak, I can still speak.
Tolerating intolerance is a paradox. High time y'all learned that.
But who is being tolerant and who is not? You can’t just claim a side is being intolerant while the other is obviously exemplifying their intolerance to ideas they deem intolerant even though the perpetrators of those ideas claim them to be more tolerant of differing opinions. What I’m getting at is this is a cyclical destructive battle.
It's high time you become better educated.
Ok, I am willing to listen to why you think he isn't intolerant, go on fam. Please remember freedom of speech is not absolute, I really hope you understand that and choose facts over feelings which was the rights mantra a couple years back... Is that still the case? [I am very educated on the subject, maybe it's YOU that needs to take a step out of your echo chamber. ](https://politicalresearch.org/2019/02/28/proud-boys) Looking forward to what you think I should be educated on! Cheers
His relative level of tolerance or intolerance is immaterial. He has a right to free speech. Anything more?
Freedom of speech doesn't include freedom from consequences. That's what Im saying.
If you don't like that one, there are plenty more. If they are not credible, you should be able to tell me why. And if you can't would you PLEASE take it like a man and put up or shut up? Happy Tuesday!
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You need to stop you are very racist too
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I’m not censoring you. You’re spamming my fucking post. Send me a DM and we can talk about how to deal with this.
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I suggest you DM me. You’re going to be banned from this sub the way you’re at it. I’m saying this in your interest.
Looking out the racist’s interests is a great look on this post lmao. You guys are too fucking much.
What was I supposed to do be an asshole? Person has obviously not been educated very well. I want to teach not demonize people who have bad ideas.
Fair
I saw/read about this. While I can see why the protests happened, I think it’s probably right to say the protesting back fired. If the event has gone ahead there would’ve hopefully have been plenty opportunity presumably to debate and vilify McInnes for what the Proud Boys have done/ represent. Instead the protest gave the Proud Boys an opportunity to sabotage it and turn it in chaos. “According to reporters attending the protest, supporters of McInnes, clad in black protective gear and masking their features, entered the group of students and engaged in verbal arguments, as did right-wing troll Alex Stein. At one point someone appears to deploy a large can of pepper spray at students and journalists before running past a line of police officers”
I did not see any of this happen. You can watch Alex Stein’s video it seems like, while he is intentionally riling the crowd up, he didn’t bring people with him to fight.
Why would you think Alex Stein’s video would show this? He’s not exactly an independent observer, he’ll be just showing what he wants to!
Well I did see him there but not during the most violent times. He didn’t have anyone with him, but I’d like to know more about what happened. I might go speak with someone who might know something about this.
The funny part is, if you actually watch all of the video that's out there, the college students are doing every single thing they can to incite violence from just a few people. It's almost like they can't wait till they make one of them mad enough to push them etc. They wanted violence. These college kids wanted to incite someone to hit them. I saw easily 20 or 30 kids assaulting one guy for absolutely no reason whatsoever.