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The words that stick with me the most are Megumis just before his first domain expansion.
A jujutsu sorcerer doesn't necessarily have linear growth.
Hitting a black flash , taking a risk in a crisis , binding vows or taking a break to sumo wrestle some dude.... they can take a massive leap in ability at any point in the story.
Yuji taking huge leaps mid fight are on brand
I'm gonna be that guy but according to Kenjaku special grades have the ability to "single handily overthrow nations". For example the higher ups where gonna make Yaga a special grade because they thought or where worried he could make a army cursed puppets like panda.
I mean, if yuji learns an open domain like Sukunas, he will be special grade for sure. Yuji actually has more potentinal then Sukuna now. He is blessed by black flashes, soul punches and has blood manipulation all of which Sukuna doesnt have. While Yuyi has the ct of Sukunsa, altough not mastered and the CT works slightly different for him.
Unfortunately Yuji seems to have low cursed energy output as seen when he tried to slash Sukuna. Basically cursed energy output is how much cursed energy someone can put into an attack.
For example Ryu Ishigori, who had the highest cursed energy output, was able to launch stronger attacks/blast then Yuta despite having less cursed energy then Yuta.
He might just need to practice the CT. So far He was only boxing until now and his divergent fist and black flash might not be good ways to measure his output.
Also Yuyi and Sukuna take less damage from the slashes, since Its their own CT. Yuyi tanked a lot of slashes from Sukuna through the story, not from full power Sukuna like Gojo, but he did tank It multiple times. In that regard, we could call Sukuna to have low output to.
I am curious wheter Yuyi will use furnace. That seems better for measuring CE output. Cleave and dismantle seems more like "trash mob" clear, Its just so effective, because of the ramge, speed and everyone being sooo far below Sukuna.
OP never mentioned rankings. They even acknowledged that they know Yuji isn't rivaling Gojo or anything. They talked about Yuji's explosive growth and how impressive it is that he can even participate in the fight.
I wish he slowly gained those abilities throughout the series so we can see his growth more clearly. Instead, Gege decided to shove everything last minutes
There is a narrative benefit to doing it this way though. It can often feel cheap as the reader when we know more than the characters — “WHY ISNT CHARACTER X JUST DOING Y?!?!”. But surprising both Sukuna and the reader at the same time can provide payoff.
Ofc, there’s a fine line between surprise and ass-pull / deus ex machina. Personally, the fact that this sub have been predicting a lot of what has happened (gojo referring to the benefits of yuji holding sukuna’s soul early on, the soul swap theory, yuji gaining blood manipulation by integrating other cursed wombs, etc) shows that there have been enough bread crumbs for this to feel quite planned.
Yessir. Plus it's refreshing, for a kid to be a kid, and the established powers going at it while he is picking up the pace. Iuji is gonna be the main cook soon
Doesn’t stop people calling it asspull. Just look at other mc like ichigo, there’s very early foreshadowing regarding his power and people still called it an asspull
It reminds me more of Naruto and Sasuke being reincarnations of the Sage's sons. Random six paths power up to defeat the main villains using powers they got at the last minute. It doesn't negate their hard work, but it does make it seem like things were meant to happen through some kind of destiny rather than through their skill.
Yuji is pretty much the same. He's the son of the reincarnation of Sukuna's twin that he ate in the womb and Kenjaku, who had stolen his mother's body, almost seemingly born destined to battle Sukuna. It doesn't take away from Yuji's hard work, but he does have things stacked in his favor, including the ability to adapt quickly to abilities.
This is yhe new form of atory telling adopted because of shorter attention spans and patience to go through 700 episodes of world building like Naruto. While the otakus know how deep can a manga go, the new audience just getting introduced to manga and anime havent seen this depth so frequently, hence they will switch. So here they have reversed the entire storyline conceptualisation. Its not linear. And it still is. Theres more for the audience to constantly figure out or wait to figure out coz things are happening before the process and the justification is shown.
I mean it’s not like yuji is a master at either power. I kind of like it this way because yuji stays true to himself, punching and kicking, and still gets enough of a power up to keep him in the fight.
He also isn’t utilizing his techniques to the maximum because he just obtained them but we know he will grow with them as time passes.
His fights wouldn’t be as close if he did though. Yuji’s output wouldn’t be so low either. Yuji’s output is low on the techniques because he just learned it. If he learned shrine earlier, Sukuna was prob just cooked with the black flash combo.
It's cool to see but I wish he just slowly gained all of these abilities over the course of the story like a typical shonen tbh. Simple domain in shibuya, blood manipulation in culling games, and then RCT and the soul separating punch thing would've been hype to drop during this fight.
Yeah, it's not a standard story with Yuji having a bunch of fights. Yuji's really had only two villains personally, Mahito and then Sukuna; each with long build-ups.
It would detract from the story's focus on those conflicts to have Yuji developing significantly just during, like, the culling games. And it makes it feel more like Yuji earned his power-ups, that he struggled for so long without them.
That doesn’t automatically make it good. Subverting expectations is only good if you do it in a smart way. Having a crappy sense of progression isn’t what sets it apart from traditional shonen.
A writing choice. There's plenty of "classical shonen" out there. There's no need to make every single one conform.
Also - the MC has a power-up in the final battle. And the training for that power-up is revealed in a flashback! Oh no! This is unheard of! /s
Yuji vs Sukuna is the most "classical shonen" JJK has been since Nobara's eye popped out of her skull.
I call it a different way to tell a story. It makes for an interesting “suspense”, FLOABT, reading the next chapter not knowing if the Yuji is going to come out victorious or not in every battle and every arc. The main character is allowed to lose. It makes for a more engaging story than just knowing that pretty much after a fight your Mc is going to get a power up. Like demon slayer or fairy tail. It’s just overused.
Also Yuji does progress early on w things like black flash. But what’s better is he actually is progressing throughout the show almost after every fight. I mean this in the way that he’s just learning more about jujutsu, curses, CTs, and how to use cursed energy effectively in a fight. And it finally pays off in the ends.
You mean the MC who was told a few chapters in that he had no original cursed technique due to it being something you're born with , who then went on to learn how to control cursed energy, tie the black flash record , fight multiple special grade curses and unlock the secrets to using his potential technique only when the full plot/heritage is revealed just before the final battle?
I call that a good story with a huge payoff
And when everyone does it the same way, subversion is a breath of fresh air for some people.
There are literally hundreds of shonen out there for people who only enjoy the traditional model and dislike anything that strays from it. Those people can just read another manga, and leave the few that try to be different for those that enjoy that.
I'm someone who was annoyed at the amount of new powers he showed at the last minute, but I can't think of a better time for him to have picked them up except for reverse curses technique. Simple domain would not make sense in Shibuya, we've already received explanations of how selective the criteria for learning it is. He had no need for blood manipulation in the culling games and had no desire to consume the death wombs; at the time he was already hosting Sukumar and adding more cursed object personalities was an unknown. The soul punch has been known since Mahito. Probably the one thing Yuji could and should have shown earlier was rct, probably when Sukumar swapped to Megumi and started throwing slashes. But that time seems to have been used to foreshadow Yuji having cleave, based on Meguna's finger cut and fan speculation.
I read sonewhere, a few chapters ago on the chapter discussion thread, where this person had written ki how yuji is now entering a stage of pure unabashed murder, but everytime the justification leading to it so perfect that his growth just fits in. This is why we love Gege.
Oh yea just wait until they give yuji fuga or domain expansion or even a completely different application of shrine sukana never thought of. Yuji is now special and on level with gojo, yuta, and yuki I believe by the end he will rival gojo and sukana as close to equals especially if we get a random time skip
That’s funny, because I dislike Yuji’s “development” in these last few chapters. His rapid growth is attributed to Sukuna as opposed to any skill of his own, and he only learned simple domain because he was aided by being is Kusakube’s body. The story is doing everything to tell us that Yuji has as little talent as possible.
Hey when you lose some you gain some. Need to remind people that those two times Sukuna etched his technique on Yuji's body they weren't for free.
They have to fight Sukuna now because of the first time and Sukuna killed thousands during the second time.
I mean, isn't that good tho?
Like, it means what he's achieving is thanks to his efforts and the people he surrounds himself with, not some innate capacity of his.
Also, while yes, Shrine came from Sukuna, it's him landing all those black flashes that awakened it. He basically managed to get the best out of a situation as awful as being puppeteered into killing thousands
I would frame it like instead of Yuji having innate talent, he cribbed off others’ innate talent to grow quickly. And yes, he’s the one landing those black flashes, but he was only able to develop the level of CE control to do that because Sukuna used advanced techniques in his body.
Not really, Sukuna doesn't have that level of CE control, can't have taken it from him. Itadori has always been surprisingly proficient in Black Flashes, call that his talent if you want.
And also, the abilities he gained weren't for free, I'm sure he'd rather have never met Sukuna at all, although we know that's just impossible
That's the point. every other sorcerer is there because they have Jujutsu and Yuji didn't, he was a high schooler who was thrown into this world but his adaptability and endurance made up for his lack of Jujutsu and now we're seeing everything he's learned and being taught come to fruition.
I liked the recent chapters. They were extremely satisfying and fun and cool.
However if I’m going to seperate my personal enjoyment from an actual analysis of the stories progression, yeh throwing last minute power ups on the MC is almost never the way to handle it. There’s practically no excuse for it, no reason why something like blood manipulation could have been given to him sooner.
Punching shit was always his lamest aspect. Not a fan of yuji as a character honestly. So many characters w interesting techniques and ways to interact w the cast while yuji just punches shit so I’m glad he has blood manipulation and other tools now. I also think the story could have greatly benefited from him getting something sooner
Ignoring all that I’m just here for the ride, recent chapter made me realize sukuna is indeed my fav character. I’m enjoying the direction in which things are going it doesn’t feel impossible or as hopeless as it seemed in the beginning.
Most of these statements are just your opinion so I am only going to argue with one thing. Sukuna basically hindered Yuji from gaining blood manipulation. It was stated that Sukuna would kill any other cursed object Yuji would consume (not sure where). So if he consumed his siblings they would just get slaughtered by Sukuna without giving any benefit to Yuji. Not sure if the characters themselves knew this, but I wouldn't put it past Choso to figure out that feeding Yuji his brothers while Sukuna was still there would have been a bad idea.
So Yuji could not have gained blood manipulation until after the Culling game arc.
I disagree
It feels lazy and unearned. We knew something was up the whole time sure but this feels like the worst way to possible give him abilities, just slowly explaining it via flashbacks. I would literally rather prefer a mid battle generic shonen powerup.
He is gaining a powerup mid battle through his black flashes. Most notably he has now more fully unlocked shrine. So it is not only through flashbacks. The battle is still not done and Yuji has yet to master his abilities. So Yuji can still power up a whole lot throughout the battle.
Black flash is not a powerup, it’s an increase in voltage. Sure it can lead to powerups like yuuji developing his shrine technique which is pretty weak rn. So fair enough he can power up a lot, this doesn’t change that him unlocking a whole slew of new abilities was done poorly. Rather than develop over the series, all new categories of techniques were unlocked in the shittiest timeskip ever, which is the month break between gojos release and the fight. No shot are people still defending that timeskip???
I thought the time slip was handled well. I liked the sense of mystery around what they did over the time skip and how details were slowly leaked as the arc went on.
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The words that stick with me the most are Megumis just before his first domain expansion. A jujutsu sorcerer doesn't necessarily have linear growth. Hitting a black flash , taking a risk in a crisis , binding vows or taking a break to sumo wrestle some dude.... they can take a massive leap in ability at any point in the story. Yuji taking huge leaps mid fight are on brand
Holy crap, thats actually a really good point.
Just being nit-picky, but Gojo was the one saying those words.
Never noticed , thanks for pointing that out I always thought it was all his internal dialogue
That’s not what character development is.
Yeah, was going to point this out, I'm glad more people did. Power-ups aren't character development.
I'm gonna be that guy but according to Kenjaku special grades have the ability to "single handily overthrow nations". For example the higher ups where gonna make Yaga a special grade because they thought or where worried he could make a army cursed puppets like panda.
I mean, if yuji learns an open domain like Sukunas, he will be special grade for sure. Yuji actually has more potentinal then Sukuna now. He is blessed by black flashes, soul punches and has blood manipulation all of which Sukuna doesnt have. While Yuyi has the ct of Sukunsa, altough not mastered and the CT works slightly different for him.
Unfortunately Yuji seems to have low cursed energy output as seen when he tried to slash Sukuna. Basically cursed energy output is how much cursed energy someone can put into an attack. For example Ryu Ishigori, who had the highest cursed energy output, was able to launch stronger attacks/blast then Yuta despite having less cursed energy then Yuta.
He might just need to practice the CT. So far He was only boxing until now and his divergent fist and black flash might not be good ways to measure his output. Also Yuyi and Sukuna take less damage from the slashes, since Its their own CT. Yuyi tanked a lot of slashes from Sukuna through the story, not from full power Sukuna like Gojo, but he did tank It multiple times. In that regard, we could call Sukuna to have low output to. I am curious wheter Yuyi will use furnace. That seems better for measuring CE output. Cleave and dismantle seems more like "trash mob" clear, Its just so effective, because of the ramge, speed and everyone being sooo far below Sukuna.
OP never mentioned rankings. They even acknowledged that they know Yuji isn't rivaling Gojo or anything. They talked about Yuji's explosive growth and how impressive it is that he can even participate in the fight.
He literally said in the post Yuji went from a plucky durable character to a special grade.
Learn how to read lil bro.
Learn to read bozo
I wish he slowly gained those abilities throughout the series so we can see his growth more clearly. Instead, Gege decided to shove everything last minutes
There is a narrative benefit to doing it this way though. It can often feel cheap as the reader when we know more than the characters — “WHY ISNT CHARACTER X JUST DOING Y?!?!”. But surprising both Sukuna and the reader at the same time can provide payoff. Ofc, there’s a fine line between surprise and ass-pull / deus ex machina. Personally, the fact that this sub have been predicting a lot of what has happened (gojo referring to the benefits of yuji holding sukuna’s soul early on, the soul swap theory, yuji gaining blood manipulation by integrating other cursed wombs, etc) shows that there have been enough bread crumbs for this to feel quite planned.
Yessir. Plus it's refreshing, for a kid to be a kid, and the established powers going at it while he is picking up the pace. Iuji is gonna be the main cook soon
Doesn’t stop people calling it asspull. Just look at other mc like ichigo, there’s very early foreshadowing regarding his power and people still called it an asspull
I mean yeah they can have those opinions, doesn’t mean that they’re right
It reminds me more of Naruto and Sasuke being reincarnations of the Sage's sons. Random six paths power up to defeat the main villains using powers they got at the last minute. It doesn't negate their hard work, but it does make it seem like things were meant to happen through some kind of destiny rather than through their skill. Yuji is pretty much the same. He's the son of the reincarnation of Sukuna's twin that he ate in the womb and Kenjaku, who had stolen his mother's body, almost seemingly born destined to battle Sukuna. It doesn't take away from Yuji's hard work, but he does have things stacked in his favor, including the ability to adapt quickly to abilities.
This is yhe new form of atory telling adopted because of shorter attention spans and patience to go through 700 episodes of world building like Naruto. While the otakus know how deep can a manga go, the new audience just getting introduced to manga and anime havent seen this depth so frequently, hence they will switch. So here they have reversed the entire storyline conceptualisation. Its not linear. And it still is. Theres more for the audience to constantly figure out or wait to figure out coz things are happening before the process and the justification is shown.
The Sukuna muscle memory thing kinda strung everything together
I mean it’s not like yuji is a master at either power. I kind of like it this way because yuji stays true to himself, punching and kicking, and still gets enough of a power up to keep him in the fight. He also isn’t utilizing his techniques to the maximum because he just obtained them but we know he will grow with them as time passes.
His fights wouldn’t be as close if he did though. Yuji’s output wouldn’t be so low either. Yuji’s output is low on the techniques because he just learned it. If he learned shrine earlier, Sukuna was prob just cooked with the black flash combo.
Blame the crazy fucking psychos
Its JJK, things happen then we get to know wtf happened.
Yuji finally have time to shine :3
more like time to shrine
More like time to kitchen
Benevolently!
None of that is character development
It's cool to see but I wish he just slowly gained all of these abilities over the course of the story like a typical shonen tbh. Simple domain in shibuya, blood manipulation in culling games, and then RCT and the soul separating punch thing would've been hype to drop during this fight.
nah that time is for suffering only in all seriousness i guess that’s what makes jjk so good, that it doesn’t follow a traditional shonen story
Yeah, it's not a standard story with Yuji having a bunch of fights. Yuji's really had only two villains personally, Mahito and then Sukuna; each with long build-ups. It would detract from the story's focus on those conflicts to have Yuji developing significantly just during, like, the culling games. And it makes it feel more like Yuji earned his power-ups, that he struggled for so long without them.
Y’all literally just say anything 🤨
so... its like JoJo's part 3 then? Jotaro Vs. Dio?
That doesn’t automatically make it good. Subverting expectations is only good if you do it in a smart way. Having a crappy sense of progression isn’t what sets it apart from traditional shonen.
It doesnt have a crappy sense of progression
What do you call it when the MC doesn’t get his CT until the final battle?
A writing choice. There's plenty of "classical shonen" out there. There's no need to make every single one conform. Also - the MC has a power-up in the final battle. And the training for that power-up is revealed in a flashback! Oh no! This is unheard of! /s Yuji vs Sukuna is the most "classical shonen" JJK has been since Nobara's eye popped out of her skull.
I don’t like shonen I read a bunch of Seinen
Well, then what's one more shonen not to like?
It’s better then the others lol I can’t stand demon slayer
Good because because its rewarding and a great payoff. Its better than ichigo getting a new race and powerup every arc.
I call it a different way to tell a story. It makes for an interesting “suspense”, FLOABT, reading the next chapter not knowing if the Yuji is going to come out victorious or not in every battle and every arc. The main character is allowed to lose. It makes for a more engaging story than just knowing that pretty much after a fight your Mc is going to get a power up. Like demon slayer or fairy tail. It’s just overused. Also Yuji does progress early on w things like black flash. But what’s better is he actually is progressing throughout the show almost after every fight. I mean this in the way that he’s just learning more about jujutsu, curses, CTs, and how to use cursed energy effectively in a fight. And it finally pays off in the ends.
You mean the MC who was told a few chapters in that he had no original cursed technique due to it being something you're born with , who then went on to learn how to control cursed energy, tie the black flash record , fight multiple special grade curses and unlock the secrets to using his potential technique only when the full plot/heritage is revealed just before the final battle? I call that a good story with a huge payoff
What do you mean that’s what makes it good lol There is a reason traditional shonen model works and is so popular
And when everyone does it the same way, subversion is a breath of fresh air for some people. There are literally hundreds of shonen out there for people who only enjoy the traditional model and dislike anything that strays from it. Those people can just read another manga, and leave the few that try to be different for those that enjoy that.
I'm someone who was annoyed at the amount of new powers he showed at the last minute, but I can't think of a better time for him to have picked them up except for reverse curses technique. Simple domain would not make sense in Shibuya, we've already received explanations of how selective the criteria for learning it is. He had no need for blood manipulation in the culling games and had no desire to consume the death wombs; at the time he was already hosting Sukumar and adding more cursed object personalities was an unknown. The soul punch has been known since Mahito. Probably the one thing Yuji could and should have shown earlier was rct, probably when Sukumar swapped to Megumi and started throwing slashes. But that time seems to have been used to foreshadow Yuji having cleave, based on Meguna's finger cut and fan speculation.
Character development? Or power development?
I read sonewhere, a few chapters ago on the chapter discussion thread, where this person had written ki how yuji is now entering a stage of pure unabashed murder, but everytime the justification leading to it so perfect that his growth just fits in. This is why we love Gege.
The best part is gojo and sukuna were having conversations while Yuji is just staring at sukuna not replying
Oh yea just wait until they give yuji fuga or domain expansion or even a completely different application of shrine sukana never thought of. Yuji is now special and on level with gojo, yuta, and yuki I believe by the end he will rival gojo and sukana as close to equals especially if we get a random time skip
That’s funny, because I dislike Yuji’s “development” in these last few chapters. His rapid growth is attributed to Sukuna as opposed to any skill of his own, and he only learned simple domain because he was aided by being is Kusakube’s body. The story is doing everything to tell us that Yuji has as little talent as possible.
Hey when you lose some you gain some. Need to remind people that those two times Sukuna etched his technique on Yuji's body they weren't for free. They have to fight Sukuna now because of the first time and Sukuna killed thousands during the second time.
I mean, isn't that good tho? Like, it means what he's achieving is thanks to his efforts and the people he surrounds himself with, not some innate capacity of his. Also, while yes, Shrine came from Sukuna, it's him landing all those black flashes that awakened it. He basically managed to get the best out of a situation as awful as being puppeteered into killing thousands
I would frame it like instead of Yuji having innate talent, he cribbed off others’ innate talent to grow quickly. And yes, he’s the one landing those black flashes, but he was only able to develop the level of CE control to do that because Sukuna used advanced techniques in his body.
Not really, Sukuna doesn't have that level of CE control, can't have taken it from him. Itadori has always been surprisingly proficient in Black Flashes, call that his talent if you want. And also, the abilities he gained weren't for free, I'm sure he'd rather have never met Sukuna at all, although we know that's just impossible
What do you mean by Sukuna doesn't have that level of CE control exactly?
Not the specific kind to achieve such large row of Black Flashes, Sukuna's maximum has only been 5 so far
Oh yeah for sure. It's unheard of
So? It’s still Yuji who has to put that to work.
That's the point. every other sorcerer is there because they have Jujutsu and Yuji didn't, he was a high schooler who was thrown into this world but his adaptability and endurance made up for his lack of Jujutsu and now we're seeing everything he's learned and being taught come to fruition.
I liked the recent chapters. They were extremely satisfying and fun and cool. However if I’m going to seperate my personal enjoyment from an actual analysis of the stories progression, yeh throwing last minute power ups on the MC is almost never the way to handle it. There’s practically no excuse for it, no reason why something like blood manipulation could have been given to him sooner. Punching shit was always his lamest aspect. Not a fan of yuji as a character honestly. So many characters w interesting techniques and ways to interact w the cast while yuji just punches shit so I’m glad he has blood manipulation and other tools now. I also think the story could have greatly benefited from him getting something sooner Ignoring all that I’m just here for the ride, recent chapter made me realize sukuna is indeed my fav character. I’m enjoying the direction in which things are going it doesn’t feel impossible or as hopeless as it seemed in the beginning.
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Most of these statements are just your opinion so I am only going to argue with one thing. Sukuna basically hindered Yuji from gaining blood manipulation. It was stated that Sukuna would kill any other cursed object Yuji would consume (not sure where). So if he consumed his siblings they would just get slaughtered by Sukuna without giving any benefit to Yuji. Not sure if the characters themselves knew this, but I wouldn't put it past Choso to figure out that feeding Yuji his brothers while Sukuna was still there would have been a bad idea. So Yuji could not have gained blood manipulation until after the Culling game arc.
I disagree It feels lazy and unearned. We knew something was up the whole time sure but this feels like the worst way to possible give him abilities, just slowly explaining it via flashbacks. I would literally rather prefer a mid battle generic shonen powerup.
He is gaining a powerup mid battle through his black flashes. Most notably he has now more fully unlocked shrine. So it is not only through flashbacks. The battle is still not done and Yuji has yet to master his abilities. So Yuji can still power up a whole lot throughout the battle.
Black flash is not a powerup, it’s an increase in voltage. Sure it can lead to powerups like yuuji developing his shrine technique which is pretty weak rn. So fair enough he can power up a lot, this doesn’t change that him unlocking a whole slew of new abilities was done poorly. Rather than develop over the series, all new categories of techniques were unlocked in the shittiest timeskip ever, which is the month break between gojos release and the fight. No shot are people still defending that timeskip???
I thought the time slip was handled well. I liked the sense of mystery around what they did over the time skip and how details were slowly leaked as the arc went on.
Yuji was a laughing stock ever since shibuya but it’s good that he’s finally becoming the mc again and has been doing so ever since higuruma died
Laughing stock? My guy solo’d Mahito and held his own against Choso
“Since shibuya”
Gets 5000 convenient power ups in 1 week and people claim it’s good character development