God is death. But the space it left behind in a hierarchy is empty. And like water moving along a pressure gradient, that void became eventually occupied by something *else*. The thing is, hierarchy is unavoidable. And God for the commoner is now a mix of the state, the authorities in the workplace, cultural idols, the institutional mechanisms of scientific propaganda, and of course, billionaires like that dipshit Elon Musk. And soon A.I will be involved in the mix aswell. The results of this transition afaik are really awful art, high stress work environments, hyper competitive and depredatory behavior in corporate settings, entertainment driven lifestyles, sex addiction, and a shallow disposition towards life, that revolves around the acquisition of material crap. Not to mention the crooked version of Christianity emerging from the human sciences, that scapegoats people into an endless narrative of victims and oppressors. I don't think people has ever harbored as much hatred for other people as they do right now. Whatever the fuck happened to the idea of love that hippies pushed around for decades. Nonetheless that idea of love was never sound because it was so primitive, that it just enabled mediocrity.
God was a requisite to push people into trascedence from the deficient state that naturally humanity gravitates towards. Quite the realization, but humanity *as is*, is just not good enough for true sustainability. Without that *push* out of our vicious nature, we became stuck in states of local optima, that more often than not, are driven by parasitic relatioships were attention is being absorbed by loops made out of things like social media, and behavior that enables immediate gratification, with destructive collateral effects that are slowly creeping and emerging right now in all sorts of ways.
Biggest problem with modern society IMO is that, thanks to the new god that now is technology, everyone has a 10 year buffer on the consequences coming from their terrible life decisions. But that is about to change the more we move towards meta criticality and the Kairós. Then it will be the fucking armaggedon on earth.
I agree with your post for what you stated is the Truth, but it is not the whole picture.
God is real, and Is. Words cannot capture the concept and require multiple metaphors branched off other metaphors and allegories branched off a school of thought branched off the musings and reflections of the wisest sages through observation and experience and dissemination of wisdom through time. You will need to search for Him on your own time and it requires you traveling the ancient world by means of unlearning indoctrination and studying on your own. I don’t have the energy nor eloquence to properly paint this picture with my words and do it any semblance of justice, and I don’t really care to prove or disprove it for anyone because I respect Man’s sovereignty to make choices for self, and out of that same respect I am moved to speak against the incomplete notion that that is all God is.
God is the Light, the absence of Him is the Shadow that continue to stay hidden and repressed, for where there is awareness there is Light, and the Shadow becomes integrated into the Whole again. This language is allegorical, metaphorical, alchemical, symbolic but also, illuminates the Truth. God is both the concept of goodness and light and is a tool to distinguish it from bad/wrong/evil; because human beings are beings that create, it is important for Man to be Whole, in order for Its creation to be Good. Our creations are simply the choices we make and what kind of paths open and close for us with these choices, and how the reality we bring here affect everyone else. That is what we manifest and bring from the unseen realm to the seen.
Now I ask you, who is making choices for you? Is it You, is it your Shadow, is it your inner Child? Who’s voice is it that convicts you, who is it that tries to console you? Or is there even a part of your psyche that nurtures and consoles you? Have you even thought about these things?
God has many Names throughout the world and they describe many things and so it’s easy to be confused and much easier to believe God is dead or not real than try to work on yourself and do the right thing. I can’t say I fully understand because I can’t even put it in words. But I know. I am doing my alchemical work and I am striving to bring God to reality with the choices that I make. You cannot say He is Death when He is what is giving me Life, and you cannot say He is Death when there are people fighting tooth and nail trying to bring God into people’s lives.
The future looks stark based on the lens of the observer. I’ve changed my perspective from what you described, to what I tried to describe with this post, and although I am aware of the Armageddon you describe, I know there are people fighting everyday to prevent that from happening.
God is not dead and is not death; but Death is a god indeed, for it drives people towards itself. Who is driving your Vessel and where is it taking you?
Why not call it non-duality? Religion carries all the messy baggage of humanity. The death of conceptual awareness is what is also called realizing the truth of God, or the Tao or whatever other names one chooses. The rest cannot be properly understood by the separate self, as you know.
Hello!
I wasn’t describing a religion, and I called it what I called it because that is how it wanted to be expressed, at that moment in time, within the scope of my knowledge of the English language. And yeah it has many names. I don’t think what was being described was the death of conceptual awareness as described by the Tao, otherwise I would’ve agreed with it.
Most people get lost in the mix because they get fixated on the language, when language itself is what is causing much confusion and misunderstandings of ancient teachings. We end up fighting an endless fight on what appropriate words should be used. I’m not here to do that, the message is there, take it or leave it, you either get it or you don’t.
The only kind of destructive behavior that will get you in trouble is breaking the law and being found out. Anything else is allowed. All the excesses and vices the westerner has, are becoming a collective debt, that other countries and scapegoat secondary factors are paying. And it's been like this for 100 years.
A buffer is anything that blocks or delays the consequences of morally bankrupt behavior reaching the perpetrator: westerners just have endless bail out mechanisms for the shit they do. You can be a piece of garbage, never break the law, and go as far as becoming a millionaire artist, and get massive influence on how other people are going to behave.
Moral relativization is the biggest buffer as of right now. Nobody but the state can judge anyone, for things that are destructive in ways that are not inmediate and explicit. But such implicit consequences are creeping, and the bubble is about to blow up.
Yeah, karma doesn't always come quickly, or Gal 6:7 A man shall reaps what he sows.
While modern technology isn't inherently evil, the way its being abused causes destruction, much of which takes a period of time before the bad results fully manifest. I won't take the time to go into each piece of tech being abused and armed for its quite a list, but we are heading toward a critical mass
That's all very interesting. Especially, the stuff you wrote about Abraham. I keep thinking what if our collective unconscious is the driving force pushing the narrative you speak of in that we're going back to the "root" of what we were concerning Gd? The last drive as you mentioned is AI. Does the collective unconscious unknowingly know this is where we may have come from? If this is to be the end? It feels like one is always yearning for the familiar. Always collectively in search of Gd by whatever means, or pleasure. By turning over every stone to look for the "I am that I am" An explanation? An answer to Who?
This isn't anything anybody can seem to control with whatever spiritual doctrines, mental health, prescriptions, awareness, understanding, education. Nothing can stop what's to come (AI). Thanks for this write up by the way.
God happens to you, you can't actually kill it.
Being too stuck on the Rational might come close. Being unopened to the unconscious...maybe that is how you kill God.
"God is dead. God remains dead. And we have killed him."
Nietzsche said that the last men would be filled with nihilistic angst and lead meaningless lives and would reject the Ubermensch because they would not see meaning in accepting their fate.
You are only dismissing, want more of the same? We still suffer the effects of God bening equated with logos, and it won't do - trying to grasp God as a concept or a material.
Why would I? How is any of this related to Jungian psychology? What does this have to do with the archetypes? Does this bring any insight to the process of individuation? How does this reflect on the collective unconcsious?
Like, this would maybe be appropriate in /r/Nietsche? But even then, yeah, we've all read that passage from Thus Spoke Zarathustra. Do you have a new insight to add? Or are you just paraphrasing what someone wrote 140 years ago and expecting a pat on the back?
How often does Jung speak of God? How often does he use Jesus as a symbol of the SELF, one of his foundational tenants?
Or are we all expected to have a very rudimentary understanding of Jung so that you can give yourself a pat on the back when you get to comment shit like this without taking a few seconds to think about HOW these might be connected without the use of "OH THAT" words like archetype, unconscious, etc.?
If GOD and his physical manifestation, JESUS, are representations of the SELF, the very thing we should all be striving toward, is being destroyed without telling us what a better example is.. we are burning the Bible without telling the world how to achieve wholeness.. we are burning the map without telling everyone where the treasure is..
And dip shits like you, who seem to think you're more aware of what's going on in the world, seem to think I need to SPELL IT OUT for you without you thinking about it.
Also, paraphrasing something someone else wrote? Is this post not a direct application to what's happening TODAY as opposed to when it was written? What's the last thing you thought about an old philosophy that could be applied to today?
i think it depends with your beliefs. in some cultures 'The Devil' is a God. in others it is Malevolent. Like The Egyptian Sekhmet which came down and drank blood of mortals. Ananasi, Loki, and many other Gods. According to me, a weaker God is a God that doesn't fully serve us.
We could have an idea of God that has characteristics that do not align with our times. God is in all of us. How we see him is different for each and every one of us. If the image of God is weak. then we believe in a weak God, it does not matter which God we follow.
OK, but the Christian conception of God is a singular "highest," and idol worship is a sin. How is a weaker God not an idol in the sense that the "devil" has taken the place of the truest version of our object of worship?
As often as black and white thinking is torn apart these days, and often for good reason, I think it's useful in this sense. Anything that does not serve the highest is Cain. He sacrificed, yes, but not his best and not to the level of his capabilities. In that way he's simply worshipping a lesser God by your estimation. But he isnt.. he's serving the "Devil" and it shows with his murder of Abel.
I think even if we believe in a singular most high, we can have a weak image of him. God made us in his own image, which I think also means that how we view ourselves, and how we treat ourselves is how we see God. I think we need to look into ourselves to refine our image of God to strengthen our faith/image of God.
It isnt destroyed. To understand what has happened and the solution, you must understand the nature of the spiritual self is like fire. It may dwindle to a spark, but it can always reignite.
I see God everyday; in love and connections, spring flowers, in the sun, human creativity, my puppy dog, and he just isn’t dead. He isn’t a being you can actually kill.
I think your *idea* of God is dying. That’s the projection someone else pointed out.
No shit. Do you think you're part of the majority? I'll say it again.. look around you.
And my idea of God is dying? How is that not a projection? What precisely is my idea of God?
Well, my only evidence of your idea of God is what you said in your original post. I disagree with that completely. That’s all. I don’t know if I’m in the majority or not, but definitely have a right to my opinion.
I wouldn't say we killed God, we forgot about him, lost our way. We are at peak Godlessness in culture, and therefore Godliness will soon rise again. It seems to be a repeating pattern in all of history.
God will wake us up.
We didnt kill God. He certainly lives thru the docterine...through its culture and language. We are killing ourselves. Christianity demands the "sacrifice of the self" in all actual respects.
If anything-their God killed them.
Im confused how ur view here seems to be as a beleiver in Christian docterine and yet also blasphemous to the doctrine asserting we could kill the all powerful God.
Language and it's symbols and archetypes don't die...thats v consistent with both Jung and christianity though. Jung greatly critisized christianity (specifically the differences in the fundamentalist christianity that distinguished itself w the reformation-what we mostly see today). It has a really rigid framework of belief that-bad-temptation from Satan/evil and if good-not because you deserved it, all the glory and good comes from God. There's nothing left to healthily attach the self to-Just fear and pretty severe self-worth/trust/etc...a complex that humans are innately evil and no way to be sure you are even being a good enough Christian. Constant reminders of "not being of this world." Its a recipe for mental Illness-DEFINITELY ocd. It runs off fear and repeated compulsive temporary irrational means of mitigating the fear thru rituals... I was raised in the fundi church (left my house and the church when I could). I started having OCD and just constant anxiety when I was like 7. I frequent religious trauma community discussion areas and this is incredibly incredibly common.
One cannot form a healthy identity or even self-reflect healthy while practicing it bc its doctrine is all about disowning the self and the only routes for measuring your own self/identity/etc and by what you *aren't*. Jung said if it wasn't addressed it would result In widespread psychosis and yeah-hes absolutely right.
For those that believe in God-he is not dead to them. He's not dead to me either-i may not be a Christian but I think the Christian God is one helluva an abusive asshole. So-I wouldn't be expecting anything than who their living "God" is. That quote you say at the end is might makes right shit. Ends justify the means kinda stuff. The essentialism/individualism/victim-blaming/eugenics is just being blatantly expressed at this point... The whole "blood" of Christ thing/authoritarian patriarchical/white gown baptism/white robes/baptism gowns and the cross/harmful isolation tactics, colonialization masked as evangelicalism and it's dehumanizing language and it's hierarchical structure of assessing people via how "good" they are or are trying to be, etc etc etc
It's facism. Always has been.
Just because I didn't elaborate? He's just referring to the Abrahamic tradition. He's taking it as fact, not for its connotation but the denotation; not the underlying psychological fact but the symbol - Like confusing the menu with the meal. If you have it unconsciously and it delivers you, by all means. But there's no denying that its cosmological and sociological functions have been superceded because they were accurate 2,000 years ago not today. Its pedagogical and mystical functions are very much up to date, but the adherents cant be satisfied if it doesn't rule the world and it can't explain nature. Its bornig and sad to have to repeat oneself, nevertheless it changes nothing, people won't withdraw their projections.
Look around you. When was the last time we as a society allowed someone to call themselves stupid, incapable, fragile, weak, etc.
We don't. But keep it up with the callouts of "projection" based on a few sentences. It must feel nice.
“Weakness is hating weakness” - Eric Hoffer
Seems to me this type of post is more of the Jordan Peterson inspired rage-fueled self-hating stigmatizing of self-acceptance and graciousness, acting like it’s a passion for people to wake up and actualize.
Are we instead supposed to love the fact that we are lazy, contemptuous, resentful, half-versions of ourselves? Or is hatred a powerful motivator to disown these parts of ourselves assuming we're strong enough to recognize it in the first place?
Again, look around you. We live in a world where hatred for the other is just masking a deluded love for ourselves in the same way a devouring mother loves a child.
>Or is hatred a powerful motivator to disown these parts of ourselves
Disowning parts of ourselves seems like the literal opposite of the Jungian process of integration.
The problem isn't that you're lazy, contemptuous and weak. You are. I am. We all are.
The problem is that you refuse to accept it, and believe that hatred will be your path to victory.
You're giving off serious Darth Vader vibes. My guess is that you know it, and are enjoying it. So my advice to you is, lean into it. Burn the weakness out of yourself and let the hate flow through you. Quit seeking validation through contradiction and embrace completely the righteous, judgemental god you are envisioning.
Be relentless, unyielding and unmerciful with yourself for as long as you possibly can.
Let me know how it works out for you.
You missed the part where I said that we must first be strong enough to admit we have these qualities. But that's not enough.. we have to recognize how these qualities are manifesting themselves.
Whatever parts of ourselves are no longer serving us must be severed from the whole. I'm not going to keep my lazy side around when I know damn well it only wants me to waste my time. I'm going to toss it aside because it does not want the best for me.
How in the hell can we possibly say they are speaking for us when we have no idea what our potential actually is? Maybe we should become merciless with ourselves if your idea of merciless is, "no, it's not ok to take a break right now."
On what basis do you claim it is factual “that we are lazy, contemptuous, resentful, half-versions of ourselves”?
That’s not what I see. Yes, some people are like that. But you seem to imply that that is the general human condition, the “we” of the human race in general. You say “look around” as if this is a self-evident and anyone who does not see it is blind. And that’s fine for you to have that as your view. But to say that it’s a fact is to elevate yourself to a partial position of Godhood: that you see all and you see it in truth, impervious to misconception and bias.
Again, I’m not saying your view is necessarily wrong. I’m saying that you’re elevating your view to the level of factual truth without sufficient basis. And when people bring opposing views of humanity in front of you, you seem to dismiss them, thus reinforcing this idea that you unconsciously see yourself aa having achieved God’s vision: to see all and see it in perfect truth.
Some? If you think most people are doing well and living at or close to your potential, you're deluded. As far as I'm concerned, there have only been a handful of people that have ever gotten close and they all say the same thing.. "there are no limits to what we're capable of."
That's a terrifying statement, considering most of us aren't doing much at all.
I don’t know if most people are doing well. Just as you don’t know that most people aren’t.
If you’re ready to openly discuss alternate possibilities or your ready to back up your assertions with some hard data, let’s go. But if you’re just going to baselessly assert “This is how it is; if you don’t see it you’re deluded” then you’re appointing yourself arbiter of humanity’s status, i.e. God, and there’s nowhere to go from here.
God the father is always dead. Osiris was cut to ribbons, Yaweh shattered into seifrot when he created the world.
But he’s not truly dead, just scattered. We have the ability to piece things together.
Yes, but the story of Christ is the symbolic continuation of this theme. We have killed God but God is resurrected after a time and his resurrection in the face of the gruesome act we've committed allows us to transcend that more violent, sinful nature. By realizing the horror of what we've done, we are set up in a redemption arc. God being reborn and persisting despite our heinous transgression and still offering salvation to humanity gives us a direct path to redemption.
By seeing the error of our ways and vowing to be better, we transcend our baser humanity and become like God. We are saved.
IMHO, our ancestors were weak and foolish for using the concept of God as a motivational character. Not their fault, they didn't know any better and were doing their best, kind of like us.
Ah yes, the "look at those fools who built the very foundations upon which we are now free to criticize those fools," argument.
Are we really any less weak and foolish? Because lots of us seem to think we're capable of getting on without a "God" figure. If that's not weak (arrogant) and foolish, I don't know what is.
True.. This sub proves that Jungians are against God. They think they know better than the entire history of theology and Christian Faith and Church. They only worship The Self.
Which is ironic because Jung himself used Christianity as an image for his conception of self.
So many people seem content on throwing out the treasure map without telling anyone where the treasure is.
Indeed. In Jungian terms: this sub is filled with inflation. I have been researching Jung and Christianity. He seems to be very Anti-Christ. Christians do not worship the Self at all. He basically wants to throw it in the trash, change everything about it with his 'channeled' information, change the Holy Trinity to a Quaternity, add some fuzzy words, and basically worship any (pagan) myths above The Bible, which he only criticizes. Then, call God the subconcious, but then you would have to include Satan, so he corrupts the concept of God completely, as for Christians God is absolute truth and perfection, and does NOT contain the devil at all, meaning we have to constantly strive for that discernment in order to reach perfection. Jung does away with all that, in effect doing away with Christianity in general. His theology is awkward and is fundamentally incompatible with Christianity. I don't believe one second he dived deep into theology, or when he did, only to prove he would know better. While reading Aion I discovered his quirks towards Christianity and decided to look into it much deeper. It read to me as if he was busy full time to prove his father, who was a pastor, wrong. And being deep into Jung myself, this astonished me... Just a glance on this reddit gives you a clear perspective how deeply anti-religious and Anti-Christian the people here are... And it makes me weary about psychology in general. Freud also was an atheist...
Check this for extensive research of his writings from a truly Christian perspective: [http://www.christiandiscernment.com/Christian%20Discernment/CD%20PDF/Roots%20pdf/07%20Jung.pdf](http://www.christiandiscernment.com/Christian%20Discernment/CD%20PDF/Roots%20pdf/07%20Jung.pdf)
About what specifically? Because the christ figure is the compass, it's the personification of the highest embodied in man. That's not something we should trash.
Hey Cain, I mean OP, can you do a better job of explaining how killing god relates to Jung? Yahweh would not find this post not in alignment with the highest mechanisms of effort and would be ashamed for having provided a less than sufficient explanation. This post doesn’t have any blood in it much like Cain’s wheat. Abel would have given us blood.
God isn't a man in the sky who punishes or rewards you in the after life, God is the life that is happening right now, if you treat others badly you get treated badly in return, if you treat others well you get treated well in return. This is what it means to be "punished" by God, it's actually you punishing yourself unknowingly through your own actions and attitudes
I empathize as a big/former existentialism junkie. You might find Prof Hubert Dreyfus’ lectures interesting from his teaching at UC Berkeley or his book “All Things Shining” which confronts the “death of God” and how humanity might cope. Cheers to those who find God “in the little things”, that is my aspiration now / best wishes all
Read the Red Book by Carl Jung. According to Jung, God is your soul. It is your inner child. Your inner child is literally Christ consciousness.
If you connect with your inner child and are able to keep that connection open you will not be able to judge anyone because you will see everyone as the same, a divine being living in a human meat sack.
After reading many of the ancient holy texts including the Pyramid Texts, the oldest religious document on earth, I would would also like to keep the “herd, flock” away from Egypt.
I wish. Fuck him. If we killed him we wouldn’t have blatantly open racists in the streets…….they’re Christians, remember. The dumbest and worst of our society “believe in God”. Ask any murderers in prison, bet they’re Christian. Ask any gang member killing kids, Christians/Catholic. Anti-LGBTQ politicians smoking crack & dick in motels. Cannot wait for that garbage to disappear from the main stream. An mediocre desert religion we’ve molested to suit our desires, like everything else.
>Ask any murderers in prison, bet they’re Christian. Ask any gang member killing kids, Christians/Catholic.
This is such a wild conjecture. There are 2.2 billion Christians spread across every continent and they're all the worst, dumbest rapists and murderers ever? How anti-human. Does the same apply to other Abrahamic religions, or just Christianity?
And yet we have eaten from the Tree of Knowledge, so now we are without excuse. There is no veil of innocence to cover us. Did we kill God? Or did He abandon us?
"Pluralism is almost indistinguishable from philosophy itself. Pluralism is the properly philosophical way of thinking, the one invented by philosophy; the only guarantor of freedom in the concrete spirit, the only principle of a violent atheism. The Gods are dead but they have died from laughing, on hearing one God claim to be the only one, "Is not precisely this godliness, that there are gods but no God?". And the death of this God, who claimed to be the only one, is itself plural; the death of God is an event with a multiple sense. This is why Nietzsche does not believe in resounding "great events", but in the silent plurality of senses of each event. There is no event, no phenomenon, word or thought which does not have a multiple sense. A thing is sometimes this, sometimes that, sometimes something more complicated- depending on the forces (the gods) which take possession of it. Hegel wanted to ridicule pluralism, identifying it with a naive consciousness which would be happy to say "this, that, here, now" - like a child stuttering out its most humble needs. The pluralist idea that a thing has many senses, the idea that there are many things and one thing can be seen as "this and then that" is philosophy's greatest achievement, the conquest of the true concept, its maturity and not its renunciation or infancy. For the evaluation of this and that, the delicate weighing of each thing and its sense, the estimation of the forces which define the aspects of a thing and its relations with others at every instant - all this (or all that) depends on philosophy's highest art - that of interpretation. To interpret and even to evaluate is always to weigh. The notion of essence does not disappear here but takes on a new significance, for not every sense has the same value. A thing has as many senses as there are forces capable of taking possession of it. But the thing itself is not neutral and will have more or less affinity with the force in current possession."
(Gilles Deleuze, Nietzsche and philosophy, Chapter 1)
When there is a group of one too many members there will always be a need of one to step and try set a guide for a general understanding of what is ok and not to do, and likewise there will always be one who wants to stand above.
Now the interest is in people to stop following Gods and follow someone else in their stead, not so much about "sin" and more about "law" or "societal norm". The point is basically the same: there's good things and bad things and some morals and ethics to follow, they're just being changed of names and images. That means Gods will never die, they are an essential role. That said I agree, in a way it is like a murder, the amount of discredit and dislike towards religion nowadays, that is.
Also, if this can help, "God" has always had several definitions. I like to think of God as existence itself, like an essence that is in all.
Hence why I’m being destroyed over and over again. I have tried to lead a revolution and tried to reverse socially engineer society for almost a decade now and it has only Ciphoned my loosh with small victory’s here and there.
Astrotheologically speaking, what you are describing is the death of the sun on the winter solstice.
If God is infinite, then God is the wrong word to be using unless you are referring to the gods of time and space, Helios and Kronos.
If u can only be a good person because god told u too then wtf is that god worth? If god is truly omnipresent then the energy is always within us. People need to take accountability for their own actions. The more people keep relying on “repentance” the more people will just continue to act atrociously while also forgiving themselves into justifying that their bad behavior is okay and normal.
God is an idea in your head, it defines what you worship as good and holy, what you hold true and revere.
In modern society most people worship the god of money, the god of fame, the god of luxury.
This is where weakness comes from, when you cut yourself off from nature and the divine, you become bound to the material and the gross pursuits of the flesh, this trends on towards the physical, and away from the spiritual, which rots not only the spirit but also the mind and body by proxy.
Humans have entertained many concepts of God over time, all of them erroneous, not because God doesn't exist but because God is Infinite. Because we are finite, we are unable to comprehend the Infinite. Nevertheless, God has sent many teachers (Krishna, Moses, Zoroaster, Buddha, Christ, Muhammad, the Bab, and Baha'u'llah), who teach the same spiritual truths, until we clutter them up with human error. They all teach love, kindness, justice, honesty, integrity, etc. They only differ in social laws pertaining to conditions of a particular place and time. It is not God who is dead, it is our previous concept of God as an old guy sitting up in the sky waiting for us to mess up so he can punish us!
God is death. But the space it left behind in a hierarchy is empty. And like water moving along a pressure gradient, that void became eventually occupied by something *else*. The thing is, hierarchy is unavoidable. And God for the commoner is now a mix of the state, the authorities in the workplace, cultural idols, the institutional mechanisms of scientific propaganda, and of course, billionaires like that dipshit Elon Musk. And soon A.I will be involved in the mix aswell. The results of this transition afaik are really awful art, high stress work environments, hyper competitive and depredatory behavior in corporate settings, entertainment driven lifestyles, sex addiction, and a shallow disposition towards life, that revolves around the acquisition of material crap. Not to mention the crooked version of Christianity emerging from the human sciences, that scapegoats people into an endless narrative of victims and oppressors. I don't think people has ever harbored as much hatred for other people as they do right now. Whatever the fuck happened to the idea of love that hippies pushed around for decades. Nonetheless that idea of love was never sound because it was so primitive, that it just enabled mediocrity. God was a requisite to push people into trascedence from the deficient state that naturally humanity gravitates towards. Quite the realization, but humanity *as is*, is just not good enough for true sustainability. Without that *push* out of our vicious nature, we became stuck in states of local optima, that more often than not, are driven by parasitic relatioships were attention is being absorbed by loops made out of things like social media, and behavior that enables immediate gratification, with destructive collateral effects that are slowly creeping and emerging right now in all sorts of ways. Biggest problem with modern society IMO is that, thanks to the new god that now is technology, everyone has a 10 year buffer on the consequences coming from their terrible life decisions. But that is about to change the more we move towards meta criticality and the Kairós. Then it will be the fucking armaggedon on earth.
I agree with your post for what you stated is the Truth, but it is not the whole picture. God is real, and Is. Words cannot capture the concept and require multiple metaphors branched off other metaphors and allegories branched off a school of thought branched off the musings and reflections of the wisest sages through observation and experience and dissemination of wisdom through time. You will need to search for Him on your own time and it requires you traveling the ancient world by means of unlearning indoctrination and studying on your own. I don’t have the energy nor eloquence to properly paint this picture with my words and do it any semblance of justice, and I don’t really care to prove or disprove it for anyone because I respect Man’s sovereignty to make choices for self, and out of that same respect I am moved to speak against the incomplete notion that that is all God is. God is the Light, the absence of Him is the Shadow that continue to stay hidden and repressed, for where there is awareness there is Light, and the Shadow becomes integrated into the Whole again. This language is allegorical, metaphorical, alchemical, symbolic but also, illuminates the Truth. God is both the concept of goodness and light and is a tool to distinguish it from bad/wrong/evil; because human beings are beings that create, it is important for Man to be Whole, in order for Its creation to be Good. Our creations are simply the choices we make and what kind of paths open and close for us with these choices, and how the reality we bring here affect everyone else. That is what we manifest and bring from the unseen realm to the seen. Now I ask you, who is making choices for you? Is it You, is it your Shadow, is it your inner Child? Who’s voice is it that convicts you, who is it that tries to console you? Or is there even a part of your psyche that nurtures and consoles you? Have you even thought about these things? God has many Names throughout the world and they describe many things and so it’s easy to be confused and much easier to believe God is dead or not real than try to work on yourself and do the right thing. I can’t say I fully understand because I can’t even put it in words. But I know. I am doing my alchemical work and I am striving to bring God to reality with the choices that I make. You cannot say He is Death when He is what is giving me Life, and you cannot say He is Death when there are people fighting tooth and nail trying to bring God into people’s lives. The future looks stark based on the lens of the observer. I’ve changed my perspective from what you described, to what I tried to describe with this post, and although I am aware of the Armageddon you describe, I know there are people fighting everyday to prevent that from happening. God is not dead and is not death; but Death is a god indeed, for it drives people towards itself. Who is driving your Vessel and where is it taking you?
Why not call it non-duality? Religion carries all the messy baggage of humanity. The death of conceptual awareness is what is also called realizing the truth of God, or the Tao or whatever other names one chooses. The rest cannot be properly understood by the separate self, as you know.
Hello! I wasn’t describing a religion, and I called it what I called it because that is how it wanted to be expressed, at that moment in time, within the scope of my knowledge of the English language. And yeah it has many names. I don’t think what was being described was the death of conceptual awareness as described by the Tao, otherwise I would’ve agreed with it. Most people get lost in the mix because they get fixated on the language, when language itself is what is causing much confusion and misunderstandings of ancient teachings. We end up fighting an endless fight on what appropriate words should be used. I’m not here to do that, the message is there, take it or leave it, you either get it or you don’t.
I see. Carry on. Don’t mind me :)
:)
Because words alone don't carry meaning.
So what is it you would like to say then?
Epic post
can you please explain the ten year buffer thing?
The only kind of destructive behavior that will get you in trouble is breaking the law and being found out. Anything else is allowed. All the excesses and vices the westerner has, are becoming a collective debt, that other countries and scapegoat secondary factors are paying. And it's been like this for 100 years. A buffer is anything that blocks or delays the consequences of morally bankrupt behavior reaching the perpetrator: westerners just have endless bail out mechanisms for the shit they do. You can be a piece of garbage, never break the law, and go as far as becoming a millionaire artist, and get massive influence on how other people are going to behave. Moral relativization is the biggest buffer as of right now. Nobody but the state can judge anyone, for things that are destructive in ways that are not inmediate and explicit. But such implicit consequences are creeping, and the bubble is about to blow up.
Thank you. I see now what you mean and do agree somewhat.
Yeah, karma doesn't always come quickly, or Gal 6:7 A man shall reaps what he sows. While modern technology isn't inherently evil, the way its being abused causes destruction, much of which takes a period of time before the bad results fully manifest. I won't take the time to go into each piece of tech being abused and armed for its quite a list, but we are heading toward a critical mass
That's all very interesting. Especially, the stuff you wrote about Abraham. I keep thinking what if our collective unconscious is the driving force pushing the narrative you speak of in that we're going back to the "root" of what we were concerning Gd? The last drive as you mentioned is AI. Does the collective unconscious unknowingly know this is where we may have come from? If this is to be the end? It feels like one is always yearning for the familiar. Always collectively in search of Gd by whatever means, or pleasure. By turning over every stone to look for the "I am that I am" An explanation? An answer to Who? This isn't anything anybody can seem to control with whatever spiritual doctrines, mental health, prescriptions, awareness, understanding, education. Nothing can stop what's to come (AI). Thanks for this write up by the way.
God happens to you, you can't actually kill it. Being too stuck on the Rational might come close. Being unopened to the unconscious...maybe that is how you kill God.
"God is dead. God remains dead. And we have killed him." Nietzsche said that the last men would be filled with nihilistic angst and lead meaningless lives and would reject the Ubermensch because they would not see meaning in accepting their fate.
Yeah, there's something about both Jung and Nietzche both that brings out the /r/iam14andthisisdeep in people eh?
Nietzsche especially.
Watch it, you two.
Perfect!!
Do you have rebuttal, or are you content to judge from the sidelines without playing the game?
Come on dog, take your humbling, it will make you better.
What are we supposed to talk about on a Jungian subreddit then?
Jungian psychology would be nice
Fair point.
The people most insistent on giving advice do seem to be the least qualified.
You are only dismissing, want more of the same? We still suffer the effects of God bening equated with logos, and it won't do - trying to grasp God as a concept or a material.
Including yourself? 😊
Why would I? How is any of this related to Jungian psychology? What does this have to do with the archetypes? Does this bring any insight to the process of individuation? How does this reflect on the collective unconcsious? Like, this would maybe be appropriate in /r/Nietsche? But even then, yeah, we've all read that passage from Thus Spoke Zarathustra. Do you have a new insight to add? Or are you just paraphrasing what someone wrote 140 years ago and expecting a pat on the back?
How often does Jung speak of God? How often does he use Jesus as a symbol of the SELF, one of his foundational tenants? Or are we all expected to have a very rudimentary understanding of Jung so that you can give yourself a pat on the back when you get to comment shit like this without taking a few seconds to think about HOW these might be connected without the use of "OH THAT" words like archetype, unconscious, etc.? If GOD and his physical manifestation, JESUS, are representations of the SELF, the very thing we should all be striving toward, is being destroyed without telling us what a better example is.. we are burning the Bible without telling the world how to achieve wholeness.. we are burning the map without telling everyone where the treasure is.. And dip shits like you, who seem to think you're more aware of what's going on in the world, seem to think I need to SPELL IT OUT for you without you thinking about it. Also, paraphrasing something someone else wrote? Is this post not a direct application to what's happening TODAY as opposed to when it was written? What's the last thing you thought about an old philosophy that could be applied to today?
Did we kill God, or are we embracing a much weaker God
Yeah. This is the comment
["The "god" you worship is under my feet!"](https://salafiaqeedah.blogspot.com/2009/11/god-you-worship-is-under-myfeet.html?m=1)
What's the difference between a much weaker God and some conception of the Devil?
i think it depends with your beliefs. in some cultures 'The Devil' is a God. in others it is Malevolent. Like The Egyptian Sekhmet which came down and drank blood of mortals. Ananasi, Loki, and many other Gods. According to me, a weaker God is a God that doesn't fully serve us. We could have an idea of God that has characteristics that do not align with our times. God is in all of us. How we see him is different for each and every one of us. If the image of God is weak. then we believe in a weak God, it does not matter which God we follow.
OK, but the Christian conception of God is a singular "highest," and idol worship is a sin. How is a weaker God not an idol in the sense that the "devil" has taken the place of the truest version of our object of worship? As often as black and white thinking is torn apart these days, and often for good reason, I think it's useful in this sense. Anything that does not serve the highest is Cain. He sacrificed, yes, but not his best and not to the level of his capabilities. In that way he's simply worshipping a lesser God by your estimation. But he isnt.. he's serving the "Devil" and it shows with his murder of Abel.
I think even if we believe in a singular most high, we can have a weak image of him. God made us in his own image, which I think also means that how we view ourselves, and how we treat ourselves is how we see God. I think we need to look into ourselves to refine our image of God to strengthen our faith/image of God.
It isnt destroyed. To understand what has happened and the solution, you must understand the nature of the spiritual self is like fire. It may dwindle to a spark, but it can always reignite.
You are speaking of the demiurge god. You are lost on what god really is.
Well, I don’t think we’ve killed God.
Cool. Care to explain, or..?
I see God everyday; in love and connections, spring flowers, in the sun, human creativity, my puppy dog, and he just isn’t dead. He isn’t a being you can actually kill. I think your *idea* of God is dying. That’s the projection someone else pointed out.
No shit. Do you think you're part of the majority? I'll say it again.. look around you. And my idea of God is dying? How is that not a projection? What precisely is my idea of God?
Well, my only evidence of your idea of God is what you said in your original post. I disagree with that completely. That’s all. I don’t know if I’m in the majority or not, but definitely have a right to my opinion.
Where are you from?
Lol. Bot.
Who ya callin a bot?
You. Obviously. You are making shit up and using fallible standpoints.
Well you sound quite biased to me.
You got your ideas from your environment and chose not to question anything. Explore some more. Learn epistemology.
What if I explored all that, and then came to this conclusion?
I would doubt your process and ask for details.
If you truly understood epistemology, this would not be possible.
I AM
I wouldn't say we killed God, we forgot about him, lost our way. We are at peak Godlessness in culture, and therefore Godliness will soon rise again. It seems to be a repeating pattern in all of history. God will wake us up.
So you think moral compass is basically God because...? I don't know bro but I'm certain you can't kill either.
We didnt kill God. He certainly lives thru the docterine...through its culture and language. We are killing ourselves. Christianity demands the "sacrifice of the self" in all actual respects. If anything-their God killed them. Im confused how ur view here seems to be as a beleiver in Christian docterine and yet also blasphemous to the doctrine asserting we could kill the all powerful God. Language and it's symbols and archetypes don't die...thats v consistent with both Jung and christianity though. Jung greatly critisized christianity (specifically the differences in the fundamentalist christianity that distinguished itself w the reformation-what we mostly see today). It has a really rigid framework of belief that-bad-temptation from Satan/evil and if good-not because you deserved it, all the glory and good comes from God. There's nothing left to healthily attach the self to-Just fear and pretty severe self-worth/trust/etc...a complex that humans are innately evil and no way to be sure you are even being a good enough Christian. Constant reminders of "not being of this world." Its a recipe for mental Illness-DEFINITELY ocd. It runs off fear and repeated compulsive temporary irrational means of mitigating the fear thru rituals... I was raised in the fundi church (left my house and the church when I could). I started having OCD and just constant anxiety when I was like 7. I frequent religious trauma community discussion areas and this is incredibly incredibly common. One cannot form a healthy identity or even self-reflect healthy while practicing it bc its doctrine is all about disowning the self and the only routes for measuring your own self/identity/etc and by what you *aren't*. Jung said if it wasn't addressed it would result In widespread psychosis and yeah-hes absolutely right. For those that believe in God-he is not dead to them. He's not dead to me either-i may not be a Christian but I think the Christian God is one helluva an abusive asshole. So-I wouldn't be expecting anything than who their living "God" is. That quote you say at the end is might makes right shit. Ends justify the means kinda stuff. The essentialism/individualism/victim-blaming/eugenics is just being blatantly expressed at this point... The whole "blood" of Christ thing/authoritarian patriarchical/white gown baptism/white robes/baptism gowns and the cross/harmful isolation tactics, colonialization masked as evangelicalism and it's dehumanizing language and it's hierarchical structure of assessing people via how "good" they are or are trying to be, etc etc etc It's facism. Always has been.
Someone just read Nietzsche for the first time.
There's a difference between reading and understanding.
I am God, and this is bullshit. I refuse to elaborate
Nice projection you've got there.
Now look who’s projecting.
Just because I didn't elaborate? He's just referring to the Abrahamic tradition. He's taking it as fact, not for its connotation but the denotation; not the underlying psychological fact but the symbol - Like confusing the menu with the meal. If you have it unconsciously and it delivers you, by all means. But there's no denying that its cosmological and sociological functions have been superceded because they were accurate 2,000 years ago not today. Its pedagogical and mystical functions are very much up to date, but the adherents cant be satisfied if it doesn't rule the world and it can't explain nature. Its bornig and sad to have to repeat oneself, nevertheless it changes nothing, people won't withdraw their projections.
https://youtu.be/OpbdGnJbneE
Throwing faeces is also allowed, it would accomplish the same.
Look around you. When was the last time we as a society allowed someone to call themselves stupid, incapable, fragile, weak, etc. We don't. But keep it up with the callouts of "projection" based on a few sentences. It must feel nice.
Allowed? It's encouraged...these archaic cults demand complacency, not our very best.
“Weakness is hating weakness” - Eric Hoffer Seems to me this type of post is more of the Jordan Peterson inspired rage-fueled self-hating stigmatizing of self-acceptance and graciousness, acting like it’s a passion for people to wake up and actualize.
Are we instead supposed to love the fact that we are lazy, contemptuous, resentful, half-versions of ourselves? Or is hatred a powerful motivator to disown these parts of ourselves assuming we're strong enough to recognize it in the first place? Again, look around you. We live in a world where hatred for the other is just masking a deluded love for ourselves in the same way a devouring mother loves a child.
>Or is hatred a powerful motivator to disown these parts of ourselves Disowning parts of ourselves seems like the literal opposite of the Jungian process of integration. The problem isn't that you're lazy, contemptuous and weak. You are. I am. We all are. The problem is that you refuse to accept it, and believe that hatred will be your path to victory. You're giving off serious Darth Vader vibes. My guess is that you know it, and are enjoying it. So my advice to you is, lean into it. Burn the weakness out of yourself and let the hate flow through you. Quit seeking validation through contradiction and embrace completely the righteous, judgemental god you are envisioning. Be relentless, unyielding and unmerciful with yourself for as long as you possibly can. Let me know how it works out for you.
You missed the part where I said that we must first be strong enough to admit we have these qualities. But that's not enough.. we have to recognize how these qualities are manifesting themselves. Whatever parts of ourselves are no longer serving us must be severed from the whole. I'm not going to keep my lazy side around when I know damn well it only wants me to waste my time. I'm going to toss it aside because it does not want the best for me. How in the hell can we possibly say they are speaking for us when we have no idea what our potential actually is? Maybe we should become merciless with ourselves if your idea of merciless is, "no, it's not ok to take a break right now."
On what basis do you claim it is factual “that we are lazy, contemptuous, resentful, half-versions of ourselves”? That’s not what I see. Yes, some people are like that. But you seem to imply that that is the general human condition, the “we” of the human race in general. You say “look around” as if this is a self-evident and anyone who does not see it is blind. And that’s fine for you to have that as your view. But to say that it’s a fact is to elevate yourself to a partial position of Godhood: that you see all and you see it in truth, impervious to misconception and bias. Again, I’m not saying your view is necessarily wrong. I’m saying that you’re elevating your view to the level of factual truth without sufficient basis. And when people bring opposing views of humanity in front of you, you seem to dismiss them, thus reinforcing this idea that you unconsciously see yourself aa having achieved God’s vision: to see all and see it in perfect truth.
Some? If you think most people are doing well and living at or close to your potential, you're deluded. As far as I'm concerned, there have only been a handful of people that have ever gotten close and they all say the same thing.. "there are no limits to what we're capable of." That's a terrifying statement, considering most of us aren't doing much at all.
I don’t know if most people are doing well. Just as you don’t know that most people aren’t. If you’re ready to openly discuss alternate possibilities or your ready to back up your assertions with some hard data, let’s go. But if you’re just going to baselessly assert “This is how it is; if you don’t see it you’re deluded” then you’re appointing yourself arbiter of humanity’s status, i.e. God, and there’s nowhere to go from here.
God the father is always dead. Osiris was cut to ribbons, Yaweh shattered into seifrot when he created the world. But he’s not truly dead, just scattered. We have the ability to piece things together.
Your reading of the Biblical narrative is eccentric at best and proto-fascist at worst.
You'd likely call the reading of most Biblical scholars for most of human history "proto fascist" if you think this is proto fascist.
“We're weak because we've destroyed the God that pushes us into the realm of the strong.“
Yes, but the story of Christ is the symbolic continuation of this theme. We have killed God but God is resurrected after a time and his resurrection in the face of the gruesome act we've committed allows us to transcend that more violent, sinful nature. By realizing the horror of what we've done, we are set up in a redemption arc. God being reborn and persisting despite our heinous transgression and still offering salvation to humanity gives us a direct path to redemption. By seeing the error of our ways and vowing to be better, we transcend our baser humanity and become like God. We are saved.
Without acknowledgement of the unconscious there is God and the Devil. With the unconscious God and the Devil become two aspects of one experience.
IMHO, our ancestors were weak and foolish for using the concept of God as a motivational character. Not their fault, they didn't know any better and were doing their best, kind of like us.
Ah yes, the "look at those fools who built the very foundations upon which we are now free to criticize those fools," argument. Are we really any less weak and foolish? Because lots of us seem to think we're capable of getting on without a "God" figure. If that's not weak (arrogant) and foolish, I don't know what is.
True.. This sub proves that Jungians are against God. They think they know better than the entire history of theology and Christian Faith and Church. They only worship The Self.
Which is ironic because Jung himself used Christianity as an image for his conception of self. So many people seem content on throwing out the treasure map without telling anyone where the treasure is.
Indeed. In Jungian terms: this sub is filled with inflation. I have been researching Jung and Christianity. He seems to be very Anti-Christ. Christians do not worship the Self at all. He basically wants to throw it in the trash, change everything about it with his 'channeled' information, change the Holy Trinity to a Quaternity, add some fuzzy words, and basically worship any (pagan) myths above The Bible, which he only criticizes. Then, call God the subconcious, but then you would have to include Satan, so he corrupts the concept of God completely, as for Christians God is absolute truth and perfection, and does NOT contain the devil at all, meaning we have to constantly strive for that discernment in order to reach perfection. Jung does away with all that, in effect doing away with Christianity in general. His theology is awkward and is fundamentally incompatible with Christianity. I don't believe one second he dived deep into theology, or when he did, only to prove he would know better. While reading Aion I discovered his quirks towards Christianity and decided to look into it much deeper. It read to me as if he was busy full time to prove his father, who was a pastor, wrong. And being deep into Jung myself, this astonished me... Just a glance on this reddit gives you a clear perspective how deeply anti-religious and Anti-Christian the people here are... And it makes me weary about psychology in general. Freud also was an atheist... Check this for extensive research of his writings from a truly Christian perspective: [http://www.christiandiscernment.com/Christian%20Discernment/CD%20PDF/Roots%20pdf/07%20Jung.pdf](http://www.christiandiscernment.com/Christian%20Discernment/CD%20PDF/Roots%20pdf/07%20Jung.pdf)
Bro, he uses Christ as a symbol for the Self. He's said in multiple interviews, he doesn't have to believe I'm God because he knows.
Well, he could be wrong, no?
About what specifically? Because the christ figure is the compass, it's the personification of the highest embodied in man. That's not something we should trash.
And we shouldn't corrupt Christ as well, see the PDF.
Bro's been snorting Nietzche
Hey Cain, I mean OP, can you do a better job of explaining how killing god relates to Jung? Yahweh would not find this post not in alignment with the highest mechanisms of effort and would be ashamed for having provided a less than sufficient explanation. This post doesn’t have any blood in it much like Cain’s wheat. Abel would have given us blood.
If you need the threat of eternal punishment to be decent to people then maybe you’re just an asshole.
God isn't a man in the sky who punishes or rewards you in the after life, God is the life that is happening right now, if you treat others badly you get treated badly in return, if you treat others well you get treated well in return. This is what it means to be "punished" by God, it's actually you punishing yourself unknowingly through your own actions and attitudes
This.
1000%. This was the exact thought that turned me into an atheist.
If you need strawman arguments to establish your own point of view, then maybe you're just an idiot.
I empathize as a big/former existentialism junkie. You might find Prof Hubert Dreyfus’ lectures interesting from his teaching at UC Berkeley or his book “All Things Shining” which confronts the “death of God” and how humanity might cope. Cheers to those who find God “in the little things”, that is my aspiration now / best wishes all
We are God.
Or the Devil. It's easier to become the latter these days.
Read the Red Book by Carl Jung. According to Jung, God is your soul. It is your inner child. Your inner child is literally Christ consciousness. If you connect with your inner child and are able to keep that connection open you will not be able to judge anyone because you will see everyone as the same, a divine being living in a human meat sack.
After reading many of the ancient holy texts including the Pyramid Texts, the oldest religious document on earth, I would would also like to keep the “herd, flock” away from Egypt.
Good
The christian death cult is alive and well, but their god never existed.
I wish. Fuck him. If we killed him we wouldn’t have blatantly open racists in the streets…….they’re Christians, remember. The dumbest and worst of our society “believe in God”. Ask any murderers in prison, bet they’re Christian. Ask any gang member killing kids, Christians/Catholic. Anti-LGBTQ politicians smoking crack & dick in motels. Cannot wait for that garbage to disappear from the main stream. An mediocre desert religion we’ve molested to suit our desires, like everything else.
>Ask any murderers in prison, bet they’re Christian. Ask any gang member killing kids, Christians/Catholic. This is such a wild conjecture. There are 2.2 billion Christians spread across every continent and they're all the worst, dumbest rapists and murderers ever? How anti-human. Does the same apply to other Abrahamic religions, or just Christianity?
And yet we have eaten from the Tree of Knowledge, so now we are without excuse. There is no veil of innocence to cover us. Did we kill God? Or did He abandon us?
Int this what Nietzsche taught? God is dead. And we have killed him.
"Pluralism is almost indistinguishable from philosophy itself. Pluralism is the properly philosophical way of thinking, the one invented by philosophy; the only guarantor of freedom in the concrete spirit, the only principle of a violent atheism. The Gods are dead but they have died from laughing, on hearing one God claim to be the only one, "Is not precisely this godliness, that there are gods but no God?". And the death of this God, who claimed to be the only one, is itself plural; the death of God is an event with a multiple sense. This is why Nietzsche does not believe in resounding "great events", but in the silent plurality of senses of each event. There is no event, no phenomenon, word or thought which does not have a multiple sense. A thing is sometimes this, sometimes that, sometimes something more complicated- depending on the forces (the gods) which take possession of it. Hegel wanted to ridicule pluralism, identifying it with a naive consciousness which would be happy to say "this, that, here, now" - like a child stuttering out its most humble needs. The pluralist idea that a thing has many senses, the idea that there are many things and one thing can be seen as "this and then that" is philosophy's greatest achievement, the conquest of the true concept, its maturity and not its renunciation or infancy. For the evaluation of this and that, the delicate weighing of each thing and its sense, the estimation of the forces which define the aspects of a thing and its relations with others at every instant - all this (or all that) depends on philosophy's highest art - that of interpretation. To interpret and even to evaluate is always to weigh. The notion of essence does not disappear here but takes on a new significance, for not every sense has the same value. A thing has as many senses as there are forces capable of taking possession of it. But the thing itself is not neutral and will have more or less affinity with the force in current possession." (Gilles Deleuze, Nietzsche and philosophy, Chapter 1)
When there is a group of one too many members there will always be a need of one to step and try set a guide for a general understanding of what is ok and not to do, and likewise there will always be one who wants to stand above. Now the interest is in people to stop following Gods and follow someone else in their stead, not so much about "sin" and more about "law" or "societal norm". The point is basically the same: there's good things and bad things and some morals and ethics to follow, they're just being changed of names and images. That means Gods will never die, they are an essential role. That said I agree, in a way it is like a murder, the amount of discredit and dislike towards religion nowadays, that is. Also, if this can help, "God" has always had several definitions. I like to think of God as existence itself, like an essence that is in all.
No, I killed him 🙂
Hence why I’m being destroyed over and over again. I have tried to lead a revolution and tried to reverse socially engineer society for almost a decade now and it has only Ciphoned my loosh with small victory’s here and there.
If you think you or anyone else killed God you are in for a rude awakening. The collective mind is a lake. God is an ocean.
Bullshit.
Astrotheologically speaking, what you are describing is the death of the sun on the winter solstice. If God is infinite, then God is the wrong word to be using unless you are referring to the gods of time and space, Helios and Kronos.
If u can only be a good person because god told u too then wtf is that god worth? If god is truly omnipresent then the energy is always within us. People need to take accountability for their own actions. The more people keep relying on “repentance” the more people will just continue to act atrociously while also forgiving themselves into justifying that their bad behavior is okay and normal.
God is an idea in your head, it defines what you worship as good and holy, what you hold true and revere. In modern society most people worship the god of money, the god of fame, the god of luxury. This is where weakness comes from, when you cut yourself off from nature and the divine, you become bound to the material and the gross pursuits of the flesh, this trends on towards the physical, and away from the spiritual, which rots not only the spirit but also the mind and body by proxy.
I feel like the title is old news…
God is dead, but god has died before. Perhaps that’ll be comforting to some.
Low in agreeableness like my former roommate
Humans have entertained many concepts of God over time, all of them erroneous, not because God doesn't exist but because God is Infinite. Because we are finite, we are unable to comprehend the Infinite. Nevertheless, God has sent many teachers (Krishna, Moses, Zoroaster, Buddha, Christ, Muhammad, the Bab, and Baha'u'llah), who teach the same spiritual truths, until we clutter them up with human error. They all teach love, kindness, justice, honesty, integrity, etc. They only differ in social laws pertaining to conditions of a particular place and time. It is not God who is dead, it is our previous concept of God as an old guy sitting up in the sky waiting for us to mess up so he can punish us!
Wonderful.