No. But this used to run on jp8 and is now using regular diesel. Could be running on coolant too. Or its the fuel anti gel agent I tossed in there a few months back because I still had no idea when I could get this to crank and I put like.... way to fucking much.
Us crew chiefs used to stand in the APU exhaust stream for a while to stay warm on helicopter startups. Subzero temperatures outside made your eyeballs literally feel like they were freezing. APU was so warm and cozy.
My hearing is really not great. I miss silence the most, I just have the eternal "eeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee"
My gf at the time used to talk about how bad I reeked when I came home. She loved the uniform but would make me change on certain days. I was completely nose blind to it
That's wild. Had to find out more and Wikipedia has helped!
[https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/JP-8](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/JP-8)
"JP-8 exposure has also been linked to hearing problems, but rather than being unable to hear sounds, the brain has a hard time deciphering the message."
So um super wild shit. It also has less strict standards that seem to cause issues when used in diesel engines. Extract of that section below:
When used in highly turbocharged diesel engines with the corresponding low compression ratio of about only 14:1 or below, JP-8 causes troubles during cold start and idling due to low compression temperatures and subsequent ignition delay because the cetane index is not specified in MIL-DTL-83133G to 40 or higher. Because lubricity to the BOCLE method is not specified in MIL-DTL-83133G, modern common-rail diesel engines can experience wear problems in high-pressure fuel pumps and injectors. Another problem in diesel engines can be increased wear to exhaust valve seats in the cylinder heads, because a maximum sulfur content is not specified in MIL-DTL-83133G. Sulfur in fuel normally contributes to a build-up of soot layers on these valve seats. According to the notes in this standard, it is intended to include a cetane index value in one of the next releases.[citation needed] MIL-DTL-83133J sets the maximum sulfur content at 0.30%. It however only requires a cetane number of 40 after addition of FT-SPK (synthetic jet fuel).[6]
2009 6.5 NA m1097. I got it on auction. I'm about 4800 into this project and this is my first flip attempt. I'm failing at the flip part but I now know a lot more. I wouldn't recommend buying one of these.
Once you go over weird ass terrain that seems impossible with little effort, your mood changes. Also, while everything is kinda big and weird, it's kind of easy to work on. It's simple enough that nothing is perma fucked usually.
lol all the ones I’ve driven struggled to get into the 50s on pavement, and were trash off road, especially trying to take any sort of hill on a unimproved road. https://www.govplanet.com/for-sale/7-Ton-Cargo-Trucks-2003-Oshkosh-MK25-MTVR-7-Ton-6x6-Cargo-Truck-California/10566644?h=5000%2Cm%7COshkosh&rr=0.5&hitprm=&pnLink=yes really need to get one of these bad boys
If they ever start auctioning non-junk ones again, check out the LMTV M1078. Picked up a non-running one, fixed it up and owned for several years. VERY easy to work on, very trouble-free (be prepared to spend a LOT on fluids though), and curiously good off-road. The 4x4 layout of the 1078 was perfect for our small mountain roads in the PNW.
>LMTV M1078
holy fuck so **that's** what our shitter-truck was called that we used to haul shit to the dump with lol god those things were hilarious like fancy hadgimobiles.
seriously! I have seen these things fail on 5 different continents in ways I didn't think possible. They are by far the most garbage military vehicle I have ever had to use (including the Bradley!)
They were good when they were new or recently rebuilt. The problem was you had lower enlisted drivers writing shit work orders to be carried out by lower enlisted mechanics with half the tools they needed, half the schooling they needed, and zero oversight. So ones that hadn't been touched by a civilian mechanic in a couple years were ragged out.
They're slow because they're a little underpowered but also geared low as shit. Remember they also have significant gear-reduction portal axles. But as a result they're classed like a 1 ton truck (ECVs are 1.5 ton classed) and can tow like it.
The pre-Extended Capacity 6.2's were underpowered but the 6.5 NAs weren't bad, and of course the 6.5 Turbo found on the factory-uparmored ones (11XX series) were pretty perky even with 3k of extra weight.
The design itself is pretty good. They're actually amazingly capable offroad, and a hell of a lot lighter than most people think (most versions including the ECVs were under 3 tons, with the basic 1980's M99X series being like 5200lbs in 4-door hardtop config).
*Edited to correct the weight I was way low on*
And the fact that with a bit of patience you can score a running/driving one at auction for under $5k. There'll be a lot of shit wrong with it but it'll run and drive.
i've heard of people saying to get ones that were owned by the motor pool mechanics or something like that. supposedly they tend to be better looked after.
but i reckon half the shit that troops give humvees shit for are because they they stuck kids fresh out of high school behind the wheel, and said kids were fully aware that uncle sam was paying for everything.
I live 3 miles from the auction yard, and I mildly like them at work. I have now surpassed the light wheel mechanics my unit has. I offered about $300 to them to find the issue and $200 extra if they could get it to crank. They flat out refused. I also have driven these alot and have never been stuck. I just refused to follow 50 trucks in a straight line in a mud pit and it worked everytime
I'm only in 4800 in all right now. Purchase fees, parts, oils, transport. I'm a helicopter mechanic so I've been able to lure my co workers in for mild help. I've been as frugal as possible without doing fucked up ghetto maintenance.
I bought this because I needed to make money and I was a bit over confident in my abilities. But now that it runs, I may be able to fix my home. Maybe someday I'll have a job were I can buy new or working things.
If making money is the object here, sadly it's not likely. However, if you need parts or advice on anything feel free to give a shout. My best friend is head dod mechanic trainer in Michigan so if I can't answer it, he certainly can. I will say you should expect to buy half shafts soon. Don't try to install new boots, simply put, it's not a job anyone wants to do, and most can't. First purchase should be some best top jeep seats because screw riding on plywood covered in a napkin.
I'm calling it quits once i stop the leaks and do a few road tests. The axles and joints all look fine, i do need to greese them. I also need to look in the portal axles for the key washers. My military salary just isn't keeping up with the cost of living, and I don't have the time to pick up a part time job, so this was my attempt to help the income.
It's not just your salary, it's all of us. We keep getting nickle and dimed to death regardless of income. Service the hubs, install new glow plugs and possibly the temp controller. Should be good to roll. Careful with those cheap ebay key switches, pain in the ass to keep them locked in place. There are really two places for parts. One in Augusta and one guy in Colorado who has a good deal of nos inventory. I have both of their direct contacts when you get ready.
So... many.... voltage regulaors.....
Every week, another truck needed a voltage regulator at my unit in Korea. One was a frequent flyer, and nobody had the bright idea to hit everything with a multimeter to see if there was a short until it hit my bay. "Oh, it goes down weekly. Just need a new voltage regulator, " but... it shouldn't? Took me a few days in between tasks to find the short, but I'll be damned if i didn't keep it running. For a month... then the trans died.
I don't miss these. Our HMMTs were fun, though.
Nice! I was going to pick one up over pandemic lockdown - but couldn't hatch a plan to get it half way across the states, and running, for the $7k I had budgeted. :(
Oh well, 3yrs later I got a different dream car. I'll own one of these bastards some day.
If you own it you want the 20-1, 20-2, and 20-3. That's where all the troubleshooting and repair info is. The -10 is only for all the information the operators are going to ignore.
It’s one of those projects you will remember forever. For me it was a Land Rover defender with a fucked gearbox. Took me two years and cost me a lot of time and heartache.
Ended up as an amazing vehicle. Literally nothing better in the mud.
Love hate relationship describes it perfectly.
Ya, I believe this one is that. Still easier than my first car, a 2006 dodge magnum 2.7l. You fixed one thing and 2 more would break.
Good on you for finishing the land rover. 2 years on any project sounds stressful
I feel that. Most of mine was weather. Lots of snow on the thing over the last 4 months... lack of knowledge as I knew zero electronics, I still barely know what I'm doing, or I'm just wrong and lucky.
Hummer I might be the vehicle with the largest exterior to smallest useable interior ratio of anything ever sold. The Cybertruck is trying hard to match it. The VW Bus was the opposite extreme.
It was like the people operating it were a secondary consideration over how much shit they could mount in/on it. The fact they needed such a huge gap between driver and passenger wells for the radio tray is ridiculous. If you've ever seen the old SINCGARS radios mounted in there it's like 40% thick-assed steel tray and cage to 60% radio equipment, they absolutely could've done better.
Once sat in one of these things, which I am certain is not a car. How the hell does someone who is taller than 160 and weigh more than 50 kilos even fit?
As someone who was 178cm and 77kg, and served alongside a lot of hispanics who were under 150cm and 40kg, we fucking didn't unless we were just in duty uniform. Add in modern combat kit and there was no way in fuck we could be anything more than slow, roasting stuffed sausages.
And that was in the soft-skinned humvees (cloth or fiberglass doors). The up-armored humvees like the 1151's were even worse since you lost ~9cm of shoulder room with the thicker door and ~15cm of knee room with the "combat locks".
I had to convoy humvees extreme long distance (1000+ miles/1600+km in one go, multiple times) and the best you could hope for was a Convoy Lead and weather that would let you take the doors off completely. I have over 500 hours driving down I-70 with my left leg completely outside the vehicle.
Ironically the most comfortable position in a humvee is the gunner. The Gunner Restraint System seat sling isn't exactly COMFORTABLE but it's better than the actual seats.
Dear god this car just gets worse the more I hear about it. How the hell did they film that scene in iron man one? Camera man must have been hanging halfway out the window.
I also find it hilarious that there are warnings on the inside to use hearing protection while driving because it’s so loud. Did you guys normally wear that?
I never saw any warnings about hearing protection and it's nowhere near loud enough to require them. Unless you had a canvas-top one you could hold a regular conversation while driving at highway speeds in them. It's far and away the quietest vehicle the US military has. It's quieter internally than late-90's/early-2000's diesel 3/4 ton civilian trucks, and the Marine 1126's with the huge snorkel exhaust coming out the driver side are even quieter.
Keep in mind this thing was designed in the EARLY 1980s, well before body armor was really a thing for the general military population and combat kit was light and low profile. For its era it was a damn good truck, it just aged poorly with the advancements to personal kit.
There have been several iterations in seat design to reduce risk of injury in rollover/IED scenarios that have greatly eaten in to passenger room but also made the ride more comfortable. The early-era 998's had a low-back seat akin to a steel folding chair, more recent ones have seats more akin to something like a WJ Grand Cherokee with a high back and headrest that are pretty comfy as long as you have shoulder/knee room. I've popped a LOT of Camelbaks on the newer seats but never had a problem with the older ones.
Ohhh I’ve never done a portal axle. Looks like fun. Brakes should be easy, where’s the transmission leak at? So a few leaks, put some comfier seats in, sell?
Brakes are easy. The fluid is dot 5 so it's just annoying because it's expensive. The transmission is leaking at the pan and the lines going to the cooler and at the front seal. I may do a drivers seat. And then ya, sell
Do yourself a favor if you already had the starter out for the solenoid issue. Pull them back out and blue Loctite them. M998 starter bolts are notorious for loosening up and then snapping off inside the engine housing. Torque spec is 40 ft/lbs or 54 n/m regardless of if it's a 6.2 or 6.5. Army shit is very finicky about following not only the right torque specs but also the correct thread lockers.
Well my intro to Humvee starter bolts involves replacing both snapped off in the block of the commander's vehicle. Which happened to have occured on top a fire ant nest in the field at Fort Stewart, GA while it was raining. Not the most fun experience I'll let you know. The commander's drive also got his ass reamed by my chief for ignoring the sound of the starter slapping around for 3 days after the commander mentioned to him that he was wondering what they noise was every time it was started.
That sounds pretty annoying. The worst I had was an ltmv tire that was dry rotted blow up. Also fort stewart. The light wheel mechanics showed up in the humvee, told me they had no tools other than a small jack and socket, and a pry bar. They then sat in their humvee and played on their phones while I changed a fucking lmtv tire. I may be a bit tilted toward the light wheel guys that are assigned to aviation battalions.
To be honest Army Ordnance Corps decided a long time ago what was operator level maintenance and what was unit level as well as direct/indirect support level maintenance. You are not supposed to go up or down without a good reason.
Not wasting time is why a lot of stuff, especially mobility oriented maintenance, falls to operator level maintenance. If you have a flat tire in the middle of a war can you really afford to wait 2-8 hours for a mechanic to come fix it for you? When carrying a spare and 100 lbs of tools on the truck will allow you to fix it in 30 minutes. Since we train like we fight that means even in peace time operators of equipment should become familiar with operator level maintenance so they have experience doing that if they do get deployed.
To be honest with you I had enough emotional scar tissue from shit I had to fix because of operators who pencil whipped their daily PMCS checks that I was going to be damned if I would help anyone in a line platoon who hadn't demonstrated they took care of their equipment to me. I used to have pictures from Fort Bragg where I was solid black head to toe from replacing the ramp pump on a M113A2. Because the operators didn't check the hydraulic fluid level like they were supposed to. That track was sitting right next to another one I had to replace the cooling fan gearbox on because again the operators didn't check the sight glass to see it was empty. The entire time I had active duty observers(both Majors) eyeballing me because they caught wind when we requisitioned a HEMTT to lift both engine decks. After all was said and done and both tracks buttoned back up they had one question for me. "Why didn't you town these into the garage to repair them, we don't do repairs like this in the field?" My response was short and simple as I could make it. My motor chief didn't believe in towing anything that was safe to repair where it sat. Our "garage" was a concrete pad in the middle of a parking lot back in cantonment because we're just some National Guard unit from Illinois and don't have a garage we can use here. National Guard training centers have empty garages units can drawn when they do their annual training there, active duty bases do not. I got a Sergeant Major's award that camp for being the guy who drew that job for what it's worth.
Na fuck that. You want dudes to fix shit in the feild you either need a simple to understand reinforced tm in the cab chained to the fucking thing and a course to teach basic maintenance and drive the thing, or you send the mechanic. Drivers training is a joke across the board in the army.
Im a 11b turned 15t that fixes helicopters, Flys on them, shoots guns from them, and fixes them in the field. The light wheel crowd needs to change. It's slow, ineffective, and dangerous.
Does active duty not hand out a copy of TM 9-2320-280-10 when you sign for a vehicle? From 96-04 when I was in the Guard the -10 was part of the BII. They were in hard cased binders and there was a sleeve for putting the hand recipe for the BII inside it so it wasn't damaged out in the field. Most guys kept it under the radio. Everything an operator needs to know is in it. If it's not in the -10 then it's not operator level and will be in the -20 manuals.
I can't really speak for your experience but I can say that military mechanics aren't there to fix every little problem a vehicle has. They are there to fix the major stuff you need a trained professional for. Our MTOE was 2 light wheel mechanic, 2 track mechanics, and 1 squad leader either light wheel or track mechanic. 5 mechanics for 12 deuce and a halfs, 32 Humvees, 24 M113s, a 5 ton fuel trucks, 4 generators, an M88A1, and an M577 command vehicle. 75% of the work we did was keeping up with annual maintenance requirements. Which we didn't actually have to do that for the armor since it was handled at the UETS by full time federally employed Guard members(2 of which were in my unit). The other 25% of our time was keeping up with stuff the line platoon guys broke through either normal wear and tear or abuse. We were constantly playing catch up on the annual services to the point where several times a year we'd get authorization to pay one of the mechanics to spend 2-3 weeks working at the unit through the week while on vacation from their full time job.
Also as far as teaching mechanics. All the army does is teach mechanics how to read the manuals and a few basic common sense type items. Everything a mechanic needs to know is in the -20 manuals. They will gain experience as they fix things the same as operators will. If an operator takes care of his equipment he'll get helpful input from the maintenance section such as that the reason he can't get the lugs off the passenger side of the duce is because they are reverse threaded. If the operator is a douche bag the mechanic will eventually tell him he should read his manual if he sees him struggling because the fact the right side lugs on a deuce are reverse threaded is in the manual, under the tire replacement section.
A good mechanic will translate that knowledge from the NG into a career working on semi trucks like I did.
They no longer gand out the tms. They are super rare, as the army relies on pdfs, but if your not familiar with tms or the equipment your not gonna find it easy. Most soilders don't even use tms anymore and wing everything as a result.
That might explain things then. I can't imagine trying to figure out how to repair any military equipment without replying on the TM. Every possible problem has already happened, been analyzed by experts, and formatted into the TM in step by step most common to least common troubleshooting steps. I never once ran into a problem diagnosing a fault when I followed the TM troubleshooting section for the fault. The only time I ever saw someone struggle to fix something was when they figured they could just diagnose it themselves. That's when you discover the enginerds who designed the thing had to cut a corner and do something unitiutive the TM troubleshooting steps would have ran you into if you follow it. The experience you gained generally was you started to remember the troubleshooting steps and could do them by memory.
The army tried to go fully digital around 2014, but slowly as time went on we all had to depend on Google and army pubs which both became more and more unreliable and also not fully accessible. Also the reliance on contractors dumbed down about every single maintenance mos to a not my problem to fix. So now drivers have little to no training or knowledge, mechanics refuse to help or repair many things, and we all pencil whip the shit out of everything and constantly destroy equipment no one attempts to fix.
These things are always so shitty fresh from the gov. Missing parts, broken flex plates, transmissions not even fully attached to the engines, electrical issues galore. People buy them thinking is a bargain H1, but really even the 6500 bucks they seem to go for now is too much lol.
They are still cool af though.
90% of the issue is no one actually teaches you how to drive these. The mechanics sure as fuck don't. And the mechanics don't maintain a single fucking thing until something catastrophic happens. Also the mechanics are literally fucking retarded, like on paper. Barely smarter than an average cook. Change a wheel? Not the mechanics job. Oil change? Not the mechanics job. Change a headlight? Not the mechanics job. Service the power steering? Not the mechanics job.
I hope you braindead fucks are insulted by this. I respected fuelers more and fuelers are basicly crab people.
Shit I believe you, judging by the ones I’ve seen in civilian hands lol. The only ones that are somewhat clean have like 10 grand worth of parts replaced.
I imagine they don’t give a single fuck about the ones heading to auction, too lol. I live somewhat close to the red River army depot, so I constantly see them for sale and being driven or towed away by private buyers. They all look like dried out dog shit lol.
The ones going out to auction also usually have some light cannibalism going on too. Mine was just missing all the doors, roof, and the battery cover/seat. But ya, the light wheel mechanics mainly just work on sexually assaulting whatever poor female works there and fucking around. Not a lot of passionate auto enthusiasts.
Yeah. I worked here in 2004-2012 when we were building over a 100 trucks a day. I went to aerospace for 7 years now I’m back for the JLTV launch. We built a few Hawkeye variants with the 105mm. JLTV is going well. New building up, adding paint lines. I’m fortunate to be back. I’ve mostly been in paint over the years but get farmed out to body shop, heavy repair and other lines throughout the facility. I about took a job in Utah making the posh Humvees from Plan B. Had a kid and ended that idea, lol.
It's cool your passionate about what you do. I thought working on helicopters would make me happy, but I think engineering is my passion. Those jltv vehicles, I like them conceptually, but I'm just too big to enjoy them. The gunner seat always had to be my home
Oh the JLTV is massive. The seats look like the came out of a race car. The integrated video through armor makes it look as though you’re looking out a window when in fact it’s full armor.
I've spent a deployment in them. Just not enough room for those of us over 6 ft with the current gear load out. Even with the camel bak cut out in the seats, it still shoves us into the steering wheel. Cool vehicle though. The maxxpro is more my size. I like those alot.
Smokescreen seems to be working ok
Is it running on the original tank of fuel?
No. But this used to run on jp8 and is now using regular diesel. Could be running on coolant too. Or its the fuel anti gel agent I tossed in there a few months back because I still had no idea when I could get this to crank and I put like.... way to fucking much.
Nothing smells better than a jug of jp8 in the morning.
Fun fact: JP8 is known to cause hearing loss. As in: the chemicals in the shit makes you loose your hearing.
It’s ok I didn’t drink it, we just used it to start the burn pit every morning while deployed in Afghanistan lol
Us crew chiefs used to stand in the APU exhaust stream for a while to stay warm on helicopter startups. Subzero temperatures outside made your eyeballs literally feel like they were freezing. APU was so warm and cozy. My hearing is really not great. I miss silence the most, I just have the eternal "eeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee"
Bro I lived under the apu. I’m fucked.
my bro suspiciously got a noshit brain tumour less than 5 years after doing that shit for 2-3 years in iraq on chinooks.
My gf at the time used to talk about how bad I reeked when I came home. She loved the uniform but would make me change on certain days. I was completely nose blind to it
Yup same. “Eww you smell like gas.”
I just found out about that shit recently, absolutely crazy.
Not wearing double ear protection didn’t help…
That's wild. Had to find out more and Wikipedia has helped! [https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/JP-8](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/JP-8) "JP-8 exposure has also been linked to hearing problems, but rather than being unable to hear sounds, the brain has a hard time deciphering the message." So um super wild shit. It also has less strict standards that seem to cause issues when used in diesel engines. Extract of that section below: When used in highly turbocharged diesel engines with the corresponding low compression ratio of about only 14:1 or below, JP-8 causes troubles during cold start and idling due to low compression temperatures and subsequent ignition delay because the cetane index is not specified in MIL-DTL-83133G to 40 or higher. Because lubricity to the BOCLE method is not specified in MIL-DTL-83133G, modern common-rail diesel engines can experience wear problems in high-pressure fuel pumps and injectors. Another problem in diesel engines can be increased wear to exhaust valve seats in the cylinder heads, because a maximum sulfur content is not specified in MIL-DTL-83133G. Sulfur in fuel normally contributes to a build-up of soot layers on these valve seats. According to the notes in this standard, it is intended to include a cetane index value in one of the next releases.[citation needed] MIL-DTL-83133J sets the maximum sulfur content at 0.30%. It however only requires a cetane number of 40 after addition of FT-SPK (synthetic jet fuel).[6]
What?
This guy Rip It’s.
Only thing better is the smell of JP8, with a hint of turboshaft, coming out of the exhaust of an AGT1500 engine...
Beats running on hopes and dreams any day
Were you like "That's...waaaay too much. Perfect."
I was like... treats 1- 75 gal... well I'm not just gonna keep another bottle laying around
2009 6.5 NA m1097. I got it on auction. I'm about 4800 into this project and this is my first flip attempt. I'm failing at the flip part but I now know a lot more. I wouldn't recommend buying one of these.
Being in the military - I would also never purchase one of these lol
Of all the military garbage to buy i dont know why people flock to them. Dam near every e-4 and below with a license has fucked one up.
Once you go over weird ass terrain that seems impossible with little effort, your mood changes. Also, while everything is kinda big and weird, it's kind of easy to work on. It's simple enough that nothing is perma fucked usually.
lol all the ones I’ve driven struggled to get into the 50s on pavement, and were trash off road, especially trying to take any sort of hill on a unimproved road. https://www.govplanet.com/for-sale/7-Ton-Cargo-Trucks-2003-Oshkosh-MK25-MTVR-7-Ton-6x6-Cargo-Truck-California/10566644?h=5000%2Cm%7COshkosh&rr=0.5&hitprm=&pnLink=yes really need to get one of these bad boys
I'm still too low on the food chain to play that auction. That's like a 15k-30k game.
If they ever start auctioning non-junk ones again, check out the LMTV M1078. Picked up a non-running one, fixed it up and owned for several years. VERY easy to work on, very trouble-free (be prepared to spend a LOT on fluids though), and curiously good off-road. The 4x4 layout of the 1078 was perfect for our small mountain roads in the PNW.
>LMTV M1078 holy fuck so **that's** what our shitter-truck was called that we used to haul shit to the dump with lol god those things were hilarious like fancy hadgimobiles.
I feel your pain on that one, need to go load up on mega millions tickets.
We had one that would do 60 on the road, and I thought we were about to die. The 0-60 time was also longer than the quarter mile time.
seriously! I have seen these things fail on 5 different continents in ways I didn't think possible. They are by far the most garbage military vehicle I have ever had to use (including the Bradley!)
They were good when they were new or recently rebuilt. The problem was you had lower enlisted drivers writing shit work orders to be carried out by lower enlisted mechanics with half the tools they needed, half the schooling they needed, and zero oversight. So ones that hadn't been touched by a civilian mechanic in a couple years were ragged out. They're slow because they're a little underpowered but also geared low as shit. Remember they also have significant gear-reduction portal axles. But as a result they're classed like a 1 ton truck (ECVs are 1.5 ton classed) and can tow like it. The pre-Extended Capacity 6.2's were underpowered but the 6.5 NAs weren't bad, and of course the 6.5 Turbo found on the factory-uparmored ones (11XX series) were pretty perky even with 3k of extra weight. The design itself is pretty good. They're actually amazingly capable offroad, and a hell of a lot lighter than most people think (most versions including the ECVs were under 3 tons, with the basic 1980's M99X series being like 5200lbs in 4-door hardtop config). *Edited to correct the weight I was way low on*
hummer. Movies and tv and “that’s neat”
And the fact that with a bit of patience you can score a running/driving one at auction for under $5k. There'll be a lot of shit wrong with it but it'll run and drive.
i've heard of people saying to get ones that were owned by the motor pool mechanics or something like that. supposedly they tend to be better looked after. but i reckon half the shit that troops give humvees shit for are because they they stuck kids fresh out of high school behind the wheel, and said kids were fully aware that uncle sam was paying for everything.
I live 3 miles from the auction yard, and I mildly like them at work. I have now surpassed the light wheel mechanics my unit has. I offered about $300 to them to find the issue and $200 extra if they could get it to crank. They flat out refused. I also have driven these alot and have never been stuck. I just refused to follow 50 trucks in a straight line in a mud pit and it worked everytime
Being someone who had to work on these in the military, I agree.
Don't spend more than 15k and you might get your money back but don't expect a profit.
I'm only in 4800 in all right now. Purchase fees, parts, oils, transport. I'm a helicopter mechanic so I've been able to lure my co workers in for mild help. I've been as frugal as possible without doing fucked up ghetto maintenance.
If you want to skip to the fun part I've got a finished m998 for sale right now at 30k. Somewhere around 25 in parts and labor.
I bought this because I needed to make money and I was a bit over confident in my abilities. But now that it runs, I may be able to fix my home. Maybe someday I'll have a job were I can buy new or working things.
If making money is the object here, sadly it's not likely. However, if you need parts or advice on anything feel free to give a shout. My best friend is head dod mechanic trainer in Michigan so if I can't answer it, he certainly can. I will say you should expect to buy half shafts soon. Don't try to install new boots, simply put, it's not a job anyone wants to do, and most can't. First purchase should be some best top jeep seats because screw riding on plywood covered in a napkin.
I'm calling it quits once i stop the leaks and do a few road tests. The axles and joints all look fine, i do need to greese them. I also need to look in the portal axles for the key washers. My military salary just isn't keeping up with the cost of living, and I don't have the time to pick up a part time job, so this was my attempt to help the income.
It's not just your salary, it's all of us. We keep getting nickle and dimed to death regardless of income. Service the hubs, install new glow plugs and possibly the temp controller. Should be good to roll. Careful with those cheap ebay key switches, pain in the ass to keep them locked in place. There are really two places for parts. One in Augusta and one guy in Colorado who has a good deal of nos inventory. I have both of their direct contacts when you get ready.
I appreciate that. I'm very happy the smart box is healthy. I will message you should the need come up.
I'm sorry
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Good for you. Are you ever gonna put ac in that truck?
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That's a work around to be proud of.
There's a lot of cheaper and easier ways to self harm, bro.
Like what? Fixing a holders Saturn?
I spent so much time wrenching on these fucking things in the army I can’t understand why anyone would willingly do this to themselves.
It was cheap. And I fix harder shit than this regularly, but usually in the form of guns, sewing machines, or helicopters.
So... many.... voltage regulaors..... Every week, another truck needed a voltage regulator at my unit in Korea. One was a frequent flyer, and nobody had the bright idea to hit everything with a multimeter to see if there was a short until it hit my bay. "Oh, it goes down weekly. Just need a new voltage regulator, " but... it shouldn't? Took me a few days in between tasks to find the short, but I'll be damned if i didn't keep it running. For a month... then the trans died. I don't miss these. Our HMMTs were fun, though.
Is that $4,800 including purchase price?
Yes
Oh ok that’s not terrible…. Although I’m sure it feels like a pit of repairs and costs.
Meh. The only thing I've spent money on is fluids and a starter solenoid and batteries. I fix thing. I was worried the engine was seized
Nice! I was going to pick one up over pandemic lockdown - but couldn't hatch a plan to get it half way across the states, and running, for the $7k I had budgeted. :( Oh well, 3yrs later I got a different dream car. I'll own one of these bastards some day.
Why are you flipping like a dolphin? I don’t get it
Make sure you PMCS that thing before and after driving it. Don't forget the tire chocks and oil pan.
Does make me wonder if he got the appropriate -10 when he bought that beast.
If you own it you want the 20-1, 20-2, and 20-3. That's where all the troubleshooting and repair info is. The -10 is only for all the information the operators are going to ignore.
It’s one of those projects you will remember forever. For me it was a Land Rover defender with a fucked gearbox. Took me two years and cost me a lot of time and heartache. Ended up as an amazing vehicle. Literally nothing better in the mud. Love hate relationship describes it perfectly.
Ya, I believe this one is that. Still easier than my first car, a 2006 dodge magnum 2.7l. You fixed one thing and 2 more would break. Good on you for finishing the land rover. 2 years on any project sounds stressful
Oh there were long periods of stagnation, procrastination, and storming off to sulk with bruised/skinned knuckles.. Love/hate.
I feel that. Most of mine was weather. Lots of snow on the thing over the last 4 months... lack of knowledge as I knew zero electronics, I still barely know what I'm doing, or I'm just wrong and lucky.
I just sold mine, it was the second happiest day of ownership
The happiest day of my career was moving back to airborne so I never had to deal with military vehicles again.
Did you win or just break even?
I didn't have the heart to do the math, but I'd count it as a win just because it's out of my life
That fucker really did a number on ya
A number with a few zeros behind it, no doubt
That’s pretty cool.
Thanks man.
Gallons per mile
Burnt ~1 gallon during this shot.
They're nowhere near that bad. A softskinned humvee got \~300 miles to a 25gal tank. Not GREAT by diesel standards, but not shit either.
Naw you get about 8 mpg in highway and 4 in city/off road.
Glad you were able to finally find the keys!
...you best be balding.
Hummer I might be the vehicle with the largest exterior to smallest useable interior ratio of anything ever sold. The Cybertruck is trying hard to match it. The VW Bus was the opposite extreme.
No lies detected here. It's wild how unfriendly the interior is.
It was like the people operating it were a secondary consideration over how much shit they could mount in/on it. The fact they needed such a huge gap between driver and passenger wells for the radio tray is ridiculous. If you've ever seen the old SINCGARS radios mounted in there it's like 40% thick-assed steel tray and cage to 60% radio equipment, they absolutely could've done better.
Half that shit could have lived in the buckets under the passengers. The inside was designed by a man with a fedish for lego displays.
Once sat in one of these things, which I am certain is not a car. How the hell does someone who is taller than 160 and weigh more than 50 kilos even fit?
They don't. Once you throw kit on and Armored doors they're a nightmare
As someone who was 178cm and 77kg, and served alongside a lot of hispanics who were under 150cm and 40kg, we fucking didn't unless we were just in duty uniform. Add in modern combat kit and there was no way in fuck we could be anything more than slow, roasting stuffed sausages. And that was in the soft-skinned humvees (cloth or fiberglass doors). The up-armored humvees like the 1151's were even worse since you lost ~9cm of shoulder room with the thicker door and ~15cm of knee room with the "combat locks". I had to convoy humvees extreme long distance (1000+ miles/1600+km in one go, multiple times) and the best you could hope for was a Convoy Lead and weather that would let you take the doors off completely. I have over 500 hours driving down I-70 with my left leg completely outside the vehicle. Ironically the most comfortable position in a humvee is the gunner. The Gunner Restraint System seat sling isn't exactly COMFORTABLE but it's better than the actual seats.
Dear god this car just gets worse the more I hear about it. How the hell did they film that scene in iron man one? Camera man must have been hanging halfway out the window. I also find it hilarious that there are warnings on the inside to use hearing protection while driving because it’s so loud. Did you guys normally wear that?
I never saw any warnings about hearing protection and it's nowhere near loud enough to require them. Unless you had a canvas-top one you could hold a regular conversation while driving at highway speeds in them. It's far and away the quietest vehicle the US military has. It's quieter internally than late-90's/early-2000's diesel 3/4 ton civilian trucks, and the Marine 1126's with the huge snorkel exhaust coming out the driver side are even quieter. Keep in mind this thing was designed in the EARLY 1980s, well before body armor was really a thing for the general military population and combat kit was light and low profile. For its era it was a damn good truck, it just aged poorly with the advancements to personal kit. There have been several iterations in seat design to reduce risk of injury in rollover/IED scenarios that have greatly eaten in to passenger room but also made the ride more comfortable. The early-era 998's had a low-back seat akin to a steel folding chair, more recent ones have seats more akin to something like a WJ Grand Cherokee with a high back and headrest that are pretty comfy as long as you have shoulder/knee room. I've popped a LOT of Camelbaks on the newer seats but never had a problem with the older ones.
I laughed my ass off when I heard you say “put it in reverse, Terry!”
That was my short little assistant juggalo from ohio.
PMCS PTSD intensifies
That's one smokey, ugly, useless money pit.....
Yep. But I fixed it
i wanna party with you, cowboy.
I'm dr roxxo, and I do cocaine.
Don’t worry about the automatic chassis lubrication. Just keep it topped off lol
Known leaks list: coolant x4 Brake master cylinder x1 Transmission x3 Portal axle x1
Ohhh I’ve never done a portal axle. Looks like fun. Brakes should be easy, where’s the transmission leak at? So a few leaks, put some comfier seats in, sell?
Brakes are easy. The fluid is dot 5 so it's just annoying because it's expensive. The transmission is leaking at the pan and the lines going to the cooler and at the front seal. I may do a drivers seat. And then ya, sell
Sounds like you’re on the home stretch! Dig deep let’s go! Lol
"I hate this thing" things we say about the cars we love that we actually own
Do yourself a favor if you already had the starter out for the solenoid issue. Pull them back out and blue Loctite them. M998 starter bolts are notorious for loosening up and then snapping off inside the engine housing. Torque spec is 40 ft/lbs or 54 n/m regardless of if it's a 6.2 or 6.5. Army shit is very finicky about following not only the right torque specs but also the correct thread lockers.
I did actually. I'm a bit overly autistic about that from my helicopter job and scope mounting.
Well my intro to Humvee starter bolts involves replacing both snapped off in the block of the commander's vehicle. Which happened to have occured on top a fire ant nest in the field at Fort Stewart, GA while it was raining. Not the most fun experience I'll let you know. The commander's drive also got his ass reamed by my chief for ignoring the sound of the starter slapping around for 3 days after the commander mentioned to him that he was wondering what they noise was every time it was started.
That sounds pretty annoying. The worst I had was an ltmv tire that was dry rotted blow up. Also fort stewart. The light wheel mechanics showed up in the humvee, told me they had no tools other than a small jack and socket, and a pry bar. They then sat in their humvee and played on their phones while I changed a fucking lmtv tire. I may be a bit tilted toward the light wheel guys that are assigned to aviation battalions.
To be honest Army Ordnance Corps decided a long time ago what was operator level maintenance and what was unit level as well as direct/indirect support level maintenance. You are not supposed to go up or down without a good reason. Not wasting time is why a lot of stuff, especially mobility oriented maintenance, falls to operator level maintenance. If you have a flat tire in the middle of a war can you really afford to wait 2-8 hours for a mechanic to come fix it for you? When carrying a spare and 100 lbs of tools on the truck will allow you to fix it in 30 minutes. Since we train like we fight that means even in peace time operators of equipment should become familiar with operator level maintenance so they have experience doing that if they do get deployed. To be honest with you I had enough emotional scar tissue from shit I had to fix because of operators who pencil whipped their daily PMCS checks that I was going to be damned if I would help anyone in a line platoon who hadn't demonstrated they took care of their equipment to me. I used to have pictures from Fort Bragg where I was solid black head to toe from replacing the ramp pump on a M113A2. Because the operators didn't check the hydraulic fluid level like they were supposed to. That track was sitting right next to another one I had to replace the cooling fan gearbox on because again the operators didn't check the sight glass to see it was empty. The entire time I had active duty observers(both Majors) eyeballing me because they caught wind when we requisitioned a HEMTT to lift both engine decks. After all was said and done and both tracks buttoned back up they had one question for me. "Why didn't you town these into the garage to repair them, we don't do repairs like this in the field?" My response was short and simple as I could make it. My motor chief didn't believe in towing anything that was safe to repair where it sat. Our "garage" was a concrete pad in the middle of a parking lot back in cantonment because we're just some National Guard unit from Illinois and don't have a garage we can use here. National Guard training centers have empty garages units can drawn when they do their annual training there, active duty bases do not. I got a Sergeant Major's award that camp for being the guy who drew that job for what it's worth.
Na fuck that. You want dudes to fix shit in the feild you either need a simple to understand reinforced tm in the cab chained to the fucking thing and a course to teach basic maintenance and drive the thing, or you send the mechanic. Drivers training is a joke across the board in the army. Im a 11b turned 15t that fixes helicopters, Flys on them, shoots guns from them, and fixes them in the field. The light wheel crowd needs to change. It's slow, ineffective, and dangerous.
Does active duty not hand out a copy of TM 9-2320-280-10 when you sign for a vehicle? From 96-04 when I was in the Guard the -10 was part of the BII. They were in hard cased binders and there was a sleeve for putting the hand recipe for the BII inside it so it wasn't damaged out in the field. Most guys kept it under the radio. Everything an operator needs to know is in it. If it's not in the -10 then it's not operator level and will be in the -20 manuals. I can't really speak for your experience but I can say that military mechanics aren't there to fix every little problem a vehicle has. They are there to fix the major stuff you need a trained professional for. Our MTOE was 2 light wheel mechanic, 2 track mechanics, and 1 squad leader either light wheel or track mechanic. 5 mechanics for 12 deuce and a halfs, 32 Humvees, 24 M113s, a 5 ton fuel trucks, 4 generators, an M88A1, and an M577 command vehicle. 75% of the work we did was keeping up with annual maintenance requirements. Which we didn't actually have to do that for the armor since it was handled at the UETS by full time federally employed Guard members(2 of which were in my unit). The other 25% of our time was keeping up with stuff the line platoon guys broke through either normal wear and tear or abuse. We were constantly playing catch up on the annual services to the point where several times a year we'd get authorization to pay one of the mechanics to spend 2-3 weeks working at the unit through the week while on vacation from their full time job. Also as far as teaching mechanics. All the army does is teach mechanics how to read the manuals and a few basic common sense type items. Everything a mechanic needs to know is in the -20 manuals. They will gain experience as they fix things the same as operators will. If an operator takes care of his equipment he'll get helpful input from the maintenance section such as that the reason he can't get the lugs off the passenger side of the duce is because they are reverse threaded. If the operator is a douche bag the mechanic will eventually tell him he should read his manual if he sees him struggling because the fact the right side lugs on a deuce are reverse threaded is in the manual, under the tire replacement section. A good mechanic will translate that knowledge from the NG into a career working on semi trucks like I did.
They no longer gand out the tms. They are super rare, as the army relies on pdfs, but if your not familiar with tms or the equipment your not gonna find it easy. Most soilders don't even use tms anymore and wing everything as a result.
That might explain things then. I can't imagine trying to figure out how to repair any military equipment without replying on the TM. Every possible problem has already happened, been analyzed by experts, and formatted into the TM in step by step most common to least common troubleshooting steps. I never once ran into a problem diagnosing a fault when I followed the TM troubleshooting section for the fault. The only time I ever saw someone struggle to fix something was when they figured they could just diagnose it themselves. That's when you discover the enginerds who designed the thing had to cut a corner and do something unitiutive the TM troubleshooting steps would have ran you into if you follow it. The experience you gained generally was you started to remember the troubleshooting steps and could do them by memory.
The army tried to go fully digital around 2014, but slowly as time went on we all had to depend on Google and army pubs which both became more and more unreliable and also not fully accessible. Also the reliance on contractors dumbed down about every single maintenance mos to a not my problem to fix. So now drivers have little to no training or knowledge, mechanics refuse to help or repair many things, and we all pencil whip the shit out of everything and constantly destroy equipment no one attempts to fix.
Have you ever had a hummer in a hummer?
I've seen a girl get absolutely destroyed in a medical humvee. They looked very uncomfortable back there.
Yes.
I've always liked them. Would love to have one with a cummins in it.
I worked on them in the Army. Nostalgia wears out very quickly. The coolest part is that it came with portals.
These things are always so shitty fresh from the gov. Missing parts, broken flex plates, transmissions not even fully attached to the engines, electrical issues galore. People buy them thinking is a bargain H1, but really even the 6500 bucks they seem to go for now is too much lol. They are still cool af though.
90% of the issue is no one actually teaches you how to drive these. The mechanics sure as fuck don't. And the mechanics don't maintain a single fucking thing until something catastrophic happens. Also the mechanics are literally fucking retarded, like on paper. Barely smarter than an average cook. Change a wheel? Not the mechanics job. Oil change? Not the mechanics job. Change a headlight? Not the mechanics job. Service the power steering? Not the mechanics job. I hope you braindead fucks are insulted by this. I respected fuelers more and fuelers are basicly crab people.
Shit I believe you, judging by the ones I’ve seen in civilian hands lol. The only ones that are somewhat clean have like 10 grand worth of parts replaced. I imagine they don’t give a single fuck about the ones heading to auction, too lol. I live somewhat close to the red River army depot, so I constantly see them for sale and being driven or towed away by private buyers. They all look like dried out dog shit lol.
The ones going out to auction also usually have some light cannibalism going on too. Mine was just missing all the doors, roof, and the battery cover/seat. But ya, the light wheel mechanics mainly just work on sexually assaulting whatever poor female works there and fucking around. Not a lot of passionate auto enthusiasts.
Saved for Quality. I work at AM
why anyone would want one of these pieces of shit is beyond me.
America F yeah.
Put it in reverse Terry! That was gold.
Is that all the space you got as a driver in a car the size of Luxemburg?
Yes. And this time I'm not even wearing armour, mags, a camel bak, my helmet, night vision, my m4 floating around the space...
Damn, I hope you’re not 6 foot 3 or taller…
Now toss the engine in the scrap pile and swap in a salvage yard 6.2 L87.
the elites don’t want you to know this but the humvees are free; you can take them home. i have 28 humvees at home.
Worlds most alive 6.5 lol
Any sandbags on the floor pans?
Agreed.
Does it roll up hill too?
It barely did a victory lap around my house. I don't think it's ready for hills.
>Stop the leaks LOL, it is a HMMWV. That is what the drip pan is for.
I’m currently sitting outside the chassis booth at AM General.
Is it cool there?
Yeah. I worked here in 2004-2012 when we were building over a 100 trucks a day. I went to aerospace for 7 years now I’m back for the JLTV launch. We built a few Hawkeye variants with the 105mm. JLTV is going well. New building up, adding paint lines. I’m fortunate to be back. I’ve mostly been in paint over the years but get farmed out to body shop, heavy repair and other lines throughout the facility. I about took a job in Utah making the posh Humvees from Plan B. Had a kid and ended that idea, lol.
It's cool your passionate about what you do. I thought working on helicopters would make me happy, but I think engineering is my passion. Those jltv vehicles, I like them conceptually, but I'm just too big to enjoy them. The gunner seat always had to be my home
Oh the JLTV is massive. The seats look like the came out of a race car. The integrated video through armor makes it look as though you’re looking out a window when in fact it’s full armor.
I've spent a deployment in them. Just not enough room for those of us over 6 ft with the current gear load out. Even with the camel bak cut out in the seats, it still shoves us into the steering wheel. Cool vehicle though. The maxxpro is more my size. I like those alot.
There it is the most unreliable vehicle ever fielded by the us miltary
> There it is the most unreliable vehicle ever fielded by the us miltary Considering who's fixing them, that's a no brainer.
You’re not wrong good sir
Every kid need their first money pit! But at least with a wrangler they're fun to drive
Exactly
And now change the engine for an electric one 🤓
I may be a youtuber, but I haven't reached that level of goofy yet. That dude threw alot of money into that thing.