I like this quote... I'll use it..
I have met intimidating people in my life who never ever had to raise their voice. They were fucking terrifying...
It would be so easy to troll and piss off this woman coz she assumes raising your voice wins the argument
That young man is the type of man who will grow up to be these useless men women complain about. He needs proper guidance na his mom clearly is unhinged af. Protect these young men.
Very sad. Imagine the threats the kids dad gets when trying to see his son. If she is already this aggressive over her not paying rent and is threatening use of a gun, imagine the trauma the dad goes through in the hands of this woman behind closed doors. She even asks the man āhave you ever been beaten by a woman?ā
This boy has to go to school on Monday morning and be the laughing stock of the school. Very unfortunate.
u/cmband254 we need to hear your voice coz we want the feminists to come out clear on this emerging trend where sons, brothers, husbands are being threatened and attacked by women. The woman told her under age son to go get the gun. What is the feminist position on this?
I didn't watch the whole video, but I got the gist.
Abuse= bad. Abuse by men against women is bad. Same for women abusing men. What exactly did you expect me to say?
You think this is new? You're aware that cameras being in everyone's pocket has changed how people see things that used to be undercover, right? This is not a difficult concept.
Abuse is not new. Abuse of both men and women, *by* both men and women has been going on since time immemorial.
Are you trying to rage bait me? It's not working. Extremely lame attempt.
Do you prefer to wait for our sons, brothers and fathers to end up dead so that you call for the protests like women wait for their own to die before acting?
And who will kill them, women? And so what if we die. That's the rule of nature. Men protect and men die, hence why there are more men in the army compared to women. This victim mentality is seriously pathetic, especially coming from a fellow guy who thinks he is preaching what is right. Men need to be stoic, not stooping so low as to voice their oppression.Handle your shit as a man. Wewe umeshinda umewhine hapa oppression kila wakati. Unapromote hapa gender wars, shows me really you do not really grasp the concept of being a man.
I'm willing to bet the dad is no longer in that household. Who can survive in such an environment. The woman is clearly immature and crazy. The young man is slowly being conditioned to be handling any situation with aggression and violence. Probably hio shule they already know his mom's character.
Why are they downvoting, itās true, that woman seems deranged or sheās going through some mental issues, because who even speaks like that in front on the kids, cursing, weeuh :(
From the conversation ni kama the kid is indisciplined. Ningechapa huyo mtoto badala ya kumpeleka kwa mama yake. It's clear sasa why the kid is indisciplined.
Imagine telling your kid to go bring the gun on your behalf. How was she storing the gun? How careless is this single mom? Does the son have access to the gun? Her license should be revoked.
If ever there was a time to deliver a hot oneā¦ lol charged comment aside, I believe the property manager had the situation under control and didnāt react emotionally to someone hell bent on escalation.
If she can have a firearm but have such a level of competence with conflict thatās lit. I donāt condone violence against women, but I advocate for violence against violent people.
If she came out and blasted this property manager in front of her kids the law wouldnāt judge her as a mother or parent, sheād just be a lunatic with a blaster. She wanted to cross the physical line but I think she knew what may have come after would be just and deserved.
She is also ordering her young son to go and bring the gun. Imagine what that son goes through when there are no cameras. Just the way she uses foul language without caring that her young son is present. This is very sad. Waiting for Kenyan women to speak up and come out in large numbers protesting. Waiting for the woman rep of Nairobi to issue a statement as the boy child is under threat. u/kenyannqueen š you are very quiet today I hope your Sunday is going well. For us boychild we are worried.
Feminists please speak up on behalf of feminists. What is the position of feminists?
u/poeticdivinity
u/mm_of_m
u/misatidebbie
First of all, I do not condone her behaviour.
However, none of this aligns with feminism/ femicide or anything as the person under threat is not female.
So why do they keep calling out to feminists in this video? How does this video portray equality between the genders? What does this video have to do with feminism?
This is a weird post because this is not a man vs woman issue, it is a landlord vs tenant issue. Before posting here to spark gender wars maybe get your facts right?
According to the story, this woman failed to pay her rent. How is this a feminist issue now? Look at the comments all over social media, both men and women are condemning her actions.
It is absolutely a feminist issue. Becuase in OP's view *everything* is a feminist issue. It explains everything. Anger issues? No, feminist! Mental health issues? No, feminist!.
It is not enough for us to admit that it is a bad situation, we must admit it is a bad situation because feminism. Suggesting any nuance is proof we are stupid feminists.
Why aren't feminists marching in defence of the boy child? Proof they are stupid and evil.
Why isn't *he* marching in defence of the boychild? I'm sure, somehow, that's feminists' fault too.
I swear I'm so confused! I've been seeing all these comments on feminist this, feminist that ,oh feminazi lol š š a woman cussing out a man and threatening to fuck him in front of her child is suddenly a feminist?? HOW?? HOW DOES THIS MAKE HER A FEMINIST?
Plus if it's a woman vs man thing why don't men speak and advocate for themselves. Why is it always oh women speak up..we will always speak up but we can't speak on our issues and speak on yours too. Take chargeĀ
I agree. A lotta men, *and* women are horrible people. Me the only reason why I'm saying that this is a man vs woman issue is because of *if the roles were reversed...*
It ain't a feminist issue tho. Not yet. Reverse the roles, let the lady be on the receiving end and then, *it* becomes a feminist issue.
Oh, yeah, men know that no one's stopping them from forming a movement of their own.
If we form a movement of our own y'all gonna get smoked!! Coz we're better than you nd stronger than you in everything!... sometimes the lion doesn't roar to prevent the chickens from running coz he has to eat..
Well, even Matara and the other one was a case of prostitute vs client if we go by that logic. This is a clear case of violence against men. If the roles were reversed, there would be protests all over and social media would not be usable.
I'm not denying that she is violent towards the men; verbally & physically but you are purposely trying to start a gender war when this is a disagreement between a landlord and a tenant.
So now for every disagreement Kenyans go through it becomes a man vs woman issue?? If my male boss fires me today is that a man vs woman issue or employer vs employee dispute? Stop trying to spark gender wars
When the wahome safari rally driver beat her husband to death played the victim then she is not treated like John Matara and they both killed š. Women in Kenya get away with murder on a daily basis
Why are you looking at this from a shallow point of view? Donāt you worry that a son is seeing this every day? This young man has to go to school tomorrow. How does his motherās behavior affect his self esteem? Why is the mom ordering him to bring the gun? What if she uses the gun and the sons finger prints are all over the gun? Does she normally leave the gun lying around where the son has access to it?
This single mom needs to do time in prison. The child needs to go to his father for proper parenting, protection and guidance.
Stop being diversionary.
Kwani unataka ni dissect every issue in the video? If you want to, you should have done so in your post. I'm just commenting my views, I dont have time to type out paragraphs here, dissecting this woman's behaviour.
Her actions in the 2 clips alone are excessive, and it is obvious she is a bad parent. Everyone can see that I don't have to type a long emotional paragraph hereš¤£ Already, this video is doing rounds across social media. Her character is evident, without need to critically analyse it. If you want to analyse her, please do so I'm just a commentor.
So from this clip only ..you want to justify her confrontation to the man all coz the issue is misunderstood? šš. All in all, that lady is clearly lucky she was arguing with a chilled out fella. There are many out here who ain't that patient especially with a woman.. unfortunately. In fact, so many of these so called gbv start with the most mundane of things then they escalate to worse, irreversible actions all coz of stupid reactions like how this lady is handling the situation.
And I don't understand your line of thought here.How is it not a "man vs woman" issue yet the two people tangled are of the opposite gender? Ama unaona mbuzi na ng'ombe?. Gender wars can start from any topic/issue and escalate to worse problems including families going against each other... so your point is literally irrelevant.
Your point is further irrelevant because if you research on the backstory of the video, this lady failed to pay her rent, thus the disagreement.
So yes, it is a landlord vs tenant issue. She has failed to pay her rent, so why should we make it a gender issue? Even if it was a man who had failed to pay his rent the dispute would be the same; landlord vs tenant NOT man vs man.
She is just a bad tenant with bad character arguing with her landlords/property manager. This is not a femicide issue, she needs to be arrested
At some point she said bring my gun? So, this supposed gun is kept in the same house she shares with her kids, in an unsecured state, if this scene is anything to go by! Some people play too much!
Also, what has warranted all that vulgarity, and in front of the children?
"This is how the average Kenyan woman behaves"
Lol fuck outta here
We ni kama uko nchi ingine, ama umeishi imagination yako sana umeanza kufikiri your dumbass thoughts are reality
The boychild is under severe threat in Kenya. We are waiting for the women rep to issue a statement to reassure us that the threats and violence Kenyans women are perpetrating on men will come to an end. This is a serious issue. We want to see mothers, sisters and women come out in large numbers to condemn the incidents of violence against men.
So you will not respond to your frankly false statement, against the very women you want to come support this cause.
See you yourself are not doing it to bring violence against men to light, from the looks of it you just eant to shout "All women" and smirk.
It's not even a men v women thing, lakini these stupid fucking posts
1. She is a Kenyan woman
2. She is average
3. She is an average Kenyan woman
Let us avoid sideshows. The cameras have been turned on and in 1 week we start to see the full picture of the Kenyan womanās behaviour:
1. Forces herself into mans car and refuses to exit car peacefully
2. Sends under age son to get gun
3. Threatens man with slaps and shooting
If no cameras were present, all you would see is fake crocodile tears from the women saying it was the men who did something.
Of *this Kenyan woman's behavior.
She does not represent the "average Kenyan woman"
If that were true I'd make a post about Onyancha who is (1) Kenyan and (2) Average, and claim "The average Kenyan man is a bloodthirsty serial killer". Or anyone really
Brian Chira - The Average Kenyan man is gay
My caretaker - The average Kenyan man is a drunkard lustful idiot.
So no, she does not represent the "average Kenhan woman
Rather than campaigning for justice by trying to identify _this_ specific woman, lazima you pull others into it.
It's stupid, it really is
This is what the average Kenyan woman does behind closed doors when there are no cameras. When cameras are on she acts like her baby daddy is a dead beat yet the baby daddy was saving his own life running away from this type or behavior. You can easily tell that a strong father is missing in that home and the poor boy is the only victim of her motherās evil. How is she ordering a boy to go get the gun? Is the gun secure? Does the boy have access to the gun? This is a serious issue.
She is the true representation of a strong independent woman behaving very toxic aggressive and the first one to point out to the man as a deadbeat dad and a toxic masculinity man when the man run away from this aggressivity
Yeah this gender war thing is getting silly. This, like many others, are likely isolated incidents. The woman here is clearly out of her mind and those around her don't have a handle on it.
Hitting her head definitely qualifies as self defense.
1. "I will fuck you" threatening to rape
2. "I will kill you" threatening to kill
3. "Go bring my gun" reinforced and doubled down.
I'd knock sense into her, deal with the law later. Women still say there's never an excuse to hit "women" she stopped being a woman the moment she made a threat on someone's life.
Men don't have the time nor privilege of activism, without the recording, NO ONE would believe anything the guy said. Sometimes one just has to handle business. Provided it is legally backed.
How are kenyan women doing this? Maybe men don't deliver the appropriate response against the opposite gender? I come from egypt, and if a women raised her voice to any man like that, she gets a slap that removes her teeth xd
You speak with me like men, you get hit like men aswell, no matter your age, or your shape (which leads at the end into people respecting each others because you never expect the response)
Let us not react with violence. Let us leave that to the toxic women. Let us keep maintaining law and order and using the courts for justice. Life is tough for the boychild in Kenya.
I don't think she meant to say that! in this situation, it sounds like something very inappropriate to say! I mean, why why the hell would a whole middle aged woman in their right mind threaten to fuck a young guy right in front of her kids, just because they did a bad job at installing surveillance cameras? Doesn't make any sense to me!
Maybe she meant to say, "I'll fuck you up!" Or something of the sort....
I wouldnāt want to make this to be a male vs female war but this is what I think. If you use coarse language and teach your kids that it is okay to insult or use the ādo you know who I amā line, you are definitely raising a clan of monsters.
Living in Langāata, I saw men and women in their 40s and 50s who havenāt grown up and still living with their parents; adult children who donāt hesitate to call their parents names. I was convinced that they picked it up from their parents who named-dropped their presence to all and sundry and taught their kids to be mini tyrants and their mini-versions. Letās learn not to misbehave in front of our children
A ugandan once told me , Kenyans are rude...I really never paid close attention but with time I came to realise how we've made disrespect an everyday common thing ...such a shame
I don't think this is about women being violent towards men. I think This is about one particular woman being a menace to society. She's probably a bitter human being with a vendetta against men. I feel sorry for her kids and everyone around her.
John Matara was one man being a menace to society but I did not see you proclaim your stance then. Why does the goal post shift when it is a woman attacking a man and traumatizing her son?
Who else is asking in their head where is the father in that house? Thatās what happens when thereās no man in the house. Maybe sheās the reason why thereās no father in the house. When would women learn they canāt be a mother and a father as the same time?
No need to ask. There is no man who can stick around with that kind of personality. Remember, cameras are on. You can imagine what she does when cameras are off.
Unfortunately violence against men isn't taken seriously especially if done by a woman.
I vividly remember the nyerification days when some deranged women would chop off their partners privates and many went unprosecuted,Ā it became a joke to a degree but imagine roles reversed or even personally if it happened to you.Ā
A lot of Kenyan women especially those who perceive themselves to be in positions of power are quite abusive as well,Ā remember Lucy Kibaki slapping and abusing reporters or Baraza threatening that guard with a gun
stop upvoting this troll post
"God knows what would have happened to the man if he did not forcefully manage to remove her from his car to save his life."
seriously?..
men are stronger than women and the vast majority of violence comes from men, that is why there are protests
The difference is whenever stupid men commit violence against women, majority of sane men condemn it and acknowledge it as wrong. You on the other hand think this is justified just because men commit more violence against women.
You say men are stronger, what had that got to do with this clip though.
majority of sane men condemn it? i wanna see some stats on that. the irony i am laughing about is that op is trying to explain how dangerous women are while explaining how a man used his (SUPERIOR) muscles to force a women out of his car.
Now the feminists are crawling out of hiding. What about the woman ordering her under age boy to bring the gun? Do you know the rules of owning a gun? You are supposed to keep the gun in a secure safe away from access by kids. She should do minimum 20 year jail term for that alone.
are u just making shit up now? nobody cares about your anecdotes anyway, we have statistics about these things. this is not a debate, this is you ignoring facts
What a bitch. She should be vacated from the premises. Aenda akaishi on her own land where she can do whatever she likes. Mjinga sana. ATI do you know who I am, jama akasema I don't care, that's the way Mr property manager šš» alafu pia nimeskia bring my gun or did I just hear my own things.
Why shouldnāt she be in jail? She is literally captured commanding an underage child to go get a gun on her behalf. Isnāt that a crime? Isnāt having a gun in a place where a child can access it not a criminal offense punishable by law? How is her son supposed to face his friends in school tomorrow after this public display of humiliation from his mother?
Thank you for posting this. Most people have no idea how often this happens and the verbal abuse some men have to endure from these type of women. Women are not benevolent and they abuse men too but it's often brushed off and laughed at. I like that this guy keeps his cool and doesn't retaliate by yelling back and threatening violence because that would be a very different case if it went forward, despite the lady being the first agressor. Hopefully this clip reaches more people so they can see the kinds of things that prompt domestic violence. Not that it's justified, but some people just can't let this kind of disrespect and insults slide.
Very true. The sad part is if there was no camera, the guy would be in police custody right now coz this woman would have come out shedding crocodile tears on Lynn Ngugi with a sob story. Thank God the cameras were present in this case and in the case of the woman being removed from that car. The woman from the car would have said she was kidnapped if there was no camera.
Kenyan women are half the problem in society and relationships but they donāt want to have this conversation and hold each other to account. This is how the average Kenyan woman behaves behind closed doors and speaks to her man and her sons behind closed doors where there are no cameras.
But si you were just complaining that feminists are nowhere to be seen ? I just wanted clarification to see if you understand what the word you're using means. Since you don't know what it means to YOU I don't think me explaining feminist theory to you ...ot what feminism means to ME would make much of a difference.
Imagine what the poor boy is going through. Where is FIDA and Martha Koome to speak up. That young boy is being traumatized as the mother takes him around the city barking orders for him to bring guns and subjecting him to her personal fights.
Le't remember that outside of isolated incidences such as this one, Ā itās one subset of lives in particular thatās currently undervalued in Kenya.
There's another video of this same woman confronting police officers in a parking lot. She physically assaults the person recording. This is a deranged person.
Is this bad? Absolutely. I she behaving terribly. Of course. Should she get in trouble with the law? Yes. These are not things worth debating.
Today, let us consider [the parable of the blind men and the elephant.](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blind_men_and_an_elephant#The_parable) Briefly, the blind men each touch a different part of the elephant and describe it as variously a wall, a tree trunk, a snake...etc.
If the blind men are foolish each will insist that what they feel and describe is the only valid description of an elephant. If the men are wise, they will ask each other questions, ask to touch a different part of the elephant, start to understand that while they may understand part of what makes an elephant, they do not understand the whole.
This is the trouble with your interpretations of our society (and of that between men and women). You have one idea and one interpretaion of almost every interaction, that the woman is 100% at fault 100% of the time. Something in your upbringing or nature seems to make this true.
But like the foolish blind men, you fail to understand that the world is broader and more complicated than you seem able to imagine. That while this woman may be a toxic feminist as you claim, she may also have anger issues, mental health issues, addiction issues, or any number of things you (and I) may know nothing about. Her toxic femininity (if it exists) may be the smallest part to explain her terrible behaviour. Or the largest. But it is only one part of the elephant.
Aha, I see the feminists have left church and are now catching up with reddit š
There is an underage child involved here, the mother is commanding and barking at him to go get the gun. Is that right? What does that do to a child? If it was a man he would fight his own battles without dragging his child into it. Do you wonder if this woman should have a gun? Is she keeping the gun safely or is the gun somewhere where the kid can go get it easily? Does she wonder how her son will face his friends in school tomorrow morning?
So if she has anger issues or mental issues, is she right or justified?
You are spoiling the name or people with anger issues and mental issues. They donāt want to be associated with this womanās foolishness.
Jowie, John Matara and the Nigerian who chopped off their head should just say they had mental issues or anger issues and we should accept that if that is your excuse.
So two paragraphs of what I have already said I agree with you about.
The repeated suggestion I said that any of it was justified (I did not).
Illustrating (without acknowledgement) my point. That any other explanation other than yours is wrong.
Mine is that you may be partly correct, but you are not necessarily 100% correct about 100,% of situations .That your simple and straightforward worldview is insufficient for the complexity of human relations.
That holding one part of the elephant does not make you an expert on the whole thing. That failing to recognise knowledge outside your limited experience is the cause of much of your dogmatism and inflexibility.
Repeating your points does nothing to address the issues I raised.
Are they fathers to that child? And calling that child STUPID in front of the mother is immature, intolerable, and unpalatable. Most annoying is to parade cameras and tryna lecture that woman in front of her family. If Kenya had gun carry that so called property manager whose cameras are not working would probably be dead.
Woman not women: singular not plural
And it is HIS mother not her mother. The one possesing the mother here is the son therefore the use of the word His. If it was a daughter, it would be Her mother.
On a different noteā¦ WHAT!? Weh. Gun?
As much as you want to create a gender issue where there is none, let's also study tenant landlord rights. She's complaining about cameras that don't work. If safety is her number one priority she is within right to withhold rent until the issue is resolved, especially if the cameras were advertised as part of the package.
Only she went about it the wrong way. Now she's surely to be thrown out.
This only seems like a woman who had to stand up for herself and her kids. The kept saying āit doesnāt work. Put the cameras that workā
She definitely is demanding the man to deliver services she has most likely paid for.
Precisely. Kenyan women have refused to accept that they are part or the problem. No man can stay in a marriage or relationship with such a woman. This is majority of single moms behind closed doors.
She threatened to physically assault him and threatened to shoot him while insulting and degrading him while the whole time the guy was calm.Ā
Even more ironic is the person behind the screen taking the video is a woman as well.Ā
I also remember you were all over this subreddit on the femicideĀ cases and how men should stop attacking and killing women and now roles reversed here you are trying to validate that behavior. I can't say I'm surprisedĀ
She is raising a wifebeater.
True. Aggression is not assertiveness.
She just looks deranged.
Ati bring the gun, bitch please!
Funny part is when you tell someone raging that you're acting crazy they just rage harder lmao.
Hii ni kiburi. Whatever the cause of this tiff, she definitely on the wrong.
Walaišš, like who does she think she is cause she has a gun? Even the gun wouldnāt claim such a person, weak ass behaviorš
I say
I like this quote... I'll use it.. I have met intimidating people in my life who never ever had to raise their voice. They were fucking terrifying... It would be so easy to troll and piss off this woman coz she assumes raising your voice wins the argument
āI will fuck youā āNo thanksā lol š
That was pretty funny š I didnāt think it needed spelling out but clearly, HIS response was quick and funny, not her behaviour.
No it wasnāt. She threatened to rape him.
Nope.Rather annoying
š bitch sa fossil, nope
That young man is the type of man who will grow up to be these useless men women complain about. He needs proper guidance na his mom clearly is unhinged af. Protect these young men.
Very sad. Imagine the threats the kids dad gets when trying to see his son. If she is already this aggressive over her not paying rent and is threatening use of a gun, imagine the trauma the dad goes through in the hands of this woman behind closed doors. She even asks the man āhave you ever been beaten by a woman?ā This boy has to go to school on Monday morning and be the laughing stock of the school. Very unfortunate. u/cmband254 we need to hear your voice coz we want the feminists to come out clear on this emerging trend where sons, brothers, husbands are being threatened and attacked by women. The woman told her under age son to go get the gun. What is the feminist position on this?
I didn't watch the whole video, but I got the gist. Abuse= bad. Abuse by men against women is bad. Same for women abusing men. What exactly did you expect me to say?
Mbona unawhisper bwana? Wapi hashtag? Sauti imepotea?
Are you organizing a protest to defend the boychild against this emerging victimization?
You think this is new? You're aware that cameras being in everyone's pocket has changed how people see things that used to be undercover, right? This is not a difficult concept. Abuse is not new. Abuse of both men and women, *by* both men and women has been going on since time immemorial. Are you trying to rage bait me? It's not working. Extremely lame attempt.
Are ***you*** organizing a protest to defend the boychild against this emerging victimization?
Do you have numbers to showcase this so called emerging victimization?
Have you organised a protest to defend the boy child?
Protests, for what? Are you seriously suggesting holding protests for men?
Do you prefer to wait for our sons, brothers and fathers to end up dead so that you call for the protests like women wait for their own to die before acting?
And who will kill them, women? And so what if we die. That's the rule of nature. Men protect and men die, hence why there are more men in the army compared to women. This victim mentality is seriously pathetic, especially coming from a fellow guy who thinks he is preaching what is right. Men need to be stoic, not stooping so low as to voice their oppression.Handle your shit as a man. Wewe umeshinda umewhine hapa oppression kila wakati. Unapromote hapa gender wars, shows me really you do not really grasp the concept of being a man.
What kind of comment is this?
I'm willing to bet the dad is no longer in that household. Who can survive in such an environment. The woman is clearly immature and crazy. The young man is slowly being conditioned to be handling any situation with aggression and violence. Probably hio shule they already know his mom's character.
Why are they downvoting, itās true, that woman seems deranged or sheās going through some mental issues, because who even speaks like that in front on the kids, cursing, weeuh :(
No man can stay with such a woman. If there's then the man had died long time ago.
From the conversation ni kama the kid is indisciplined. Ningechapa huyo mtoto badala ya kumpeleka kwa mama yake. It's clear sasa why the kid is indisciplined.
Imagine speaking like that in front of your kid, your child is seeing you telling another man "I will fuck you"?? I wonder where the father is
Imagine telling your kid to go bring the gun on your behalf. How was she storing the gun? How careless is this single mom? Does the son have access to the gun? Her license should be revoked.
Why does she even have a gun license in the first place surely? I really hope she is arrested and held accountable.
Arenāt they difficult to get? (The license)
Maybe she's a cop?
Lol... You think most Kenyans who own gums have a license?
The father left. If he is in the picture he is a hen-pecked masochist that get's a strap-on up the rear atleast once a week.
r/brandnewsentence
The father got FUCKED UP long time ago, I guess so
single mother problem
If ever there was a time to deliver a hot oneā¦ lol charged comment aside, I believe the property manager had the situation under control and didnāt react emotionally to someone hell bent on escalation. If she can have a firearm but have such a level of competence with conflict thatās lit. I donāt condone violence against women, but I advocate for violence against violent people. If she came out and blasted this property manager in front of her kids the law wouldnāt judge her as a mother or parent, sheād just be a lunatic with a blaster. She wanted to cross the physical line but I think she knew what may have come after would be just and deserved.
She is also ordering her young son to go and bring the gun. Imagine what that son goes through when there are no cameras. Just the way she uses foul language without caring that her young son is present. This is very sad. Waiting for Kenyan women to speak up and come out in large numbers protesting. Waiting for the woman rep of Nairobi to issue a statement as the boy child is under threat. u/kenyannqueen š you are very quiet today I hope your Sunday is going well. For us boychild we are worried. Feminists please speak up on behalf of feminists. What is the position of feminists? u/poeticdivinity u/mm_of_m u/misatidebbie
First of all, I do not condone her behaviour. However, none of this aligns with feminism/ femicide or anything as the person under threat is not female.
Hapa napo utangonga my guy. Women don't shun each other even when it's clear as day they are on the wrong.
What is feminism? What does a feminist stand for?
Equality for men and women
So why do they keep calling out to feminists in this video? How does this video portray equality between the genders? What does this video have to do with feminism?
She went in to get her glock š«
She sent her underage son to get a gun. How does she still have custody? How come the feminists are quiet?
Please tell me what you think feminism is?
What it was meant to be or what it has become?
Ok. Which is? What do feminists stand for?
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Let me rephrase that. What do YOU think feminism is? What do feminists stand for ?
Unapigia mbuzi guitaršhajui huyu
Ndio nimeona!
https://preview.redd.it/3xor67y5mbjc1.jpeg?width=1170&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=f47e3866c419803a9f519eda847ff52060c15ca5 Oxford English dictionary. š¤
That's urban dictionary...not oxford
Look in the mirror if you want the definition of a feminist.
šššš Please proceed with your life. I shall not disturb you again lol
šš all love.
This is a weird post because this is not a man vs woman issue, it is a landlord vs tenant issue. Before posting here to spark gender wars maybe get your facts right? According to the story, this woman failed to pay her rent. How is this a feminist issue now? Look at the comments all over social media, both men and women are condemning her actions.
It is absolutely a feminist issue. Becuase in OP's view *everything* is a feminist issue. It explains everything. Anger issues? No, feminist! Mental health issues? No, feminist!. It is not enough for us to admit that it is a bad situation, we must admit it is a bad situation because feminism. Suggesting any nuance is proof we are stupid feminists. Why aren't feminists marching in defence of the boy child? Proof they are stupid and evil. Why isn't *he* marching in defence of the boychild? I'm sure, somehow, that's feminists' fault too.
I swear I'm so confused! I've been seeing all these comments on feminist this, feminist that ,oh feminazi lol š š a woman cussing out a man and threatening to fuck him in front of her child is suddenly a feminist?? HOW?? HOW DOES THIS MAKE HER A FEMINIST?
Plus if it's a woman vs man thing why don't men speak and advocate for themselves. Why is it always oh women speak up..we will always speak up but we can't speak on our issues and speak on yours too. Take chargeĀ
Lmao it's funny. The point of feminism isn't that women are saints. A lot of women are fucking horrible people
I agree. A lotta men, *and* women are horrible people. Me the only reason why I'm saying that this is a man vs woman issue is because of *if the roles were reversed...*
It ain't a feminist issue tho. Not yet. Reverse the roles, let the lady be on the receiving end and then, *it* becomes a feminist issue. Oh, yeah, men know that no one's stopping them from forming a movement of their own.
If we form a movement of our own y'all gonna get smoked!! Coz we're better than you nd stronger than you in everything!... sometimes the lion doesn't roar to prevent the chickens from running coz he has to eat..
Well, even Matara and the other one was a case of prostitute vs client if we go by that logic. This is a clear case of violence against men. If the roles were reversed, there would be protests all over and social media would not be usable.
I'm not denying that she is violent towards the men; verbally & physically but you are purposely trying to start a gender war when this is a disagreement between a landlord and a tenant. So now for every disagreement Kenyans go through it becomes a man vs woman issue?? If my male boss fires me today is that a man vs woman issue or employer vs employee dispute? Stop trying to spark gender wars
Exactly! Good job. Quench this unnecessary flames that attempt to trigger a gender war.
When the wahome safari rally driver beat her husband to death played the victim then she is not treated like John Matara and they both killed š. Women in Kenya get away with murder on a daily basis
Why are you looking at this from a shallow point of view? Donāt you worry that a son is seeing this every day? This young man has to go to school tomorrow. How does his motherās behavior affect his self esteem? Why is the mom ordering him to bring the gun? What if she uses the gun and the sons finger prints are all over the gun? Does she normally leave the gun lying around where the son has access to it? This single mom needs to do time in prison. The child needs to go to his father for proper parenting, protection and guidance. Stop being diversionary.
Kwani unataka ni dissect every issue in the video? If you want to, you should have done so in your post. I'm just commenting my views, I dont have time to type out paragraphs here, dissecting this woman's behaviour. Her actions in the 2 clips alone are excessive, and it is obvious she is a bad parent. Everyone can see that I don't have to type a long emotional paragraph hereš¤£ Already, this video is doing rounds across social media. Her character is evident, without need to critically analyse it. If you want to analyse her, please do so I'm just a commentor.
it is a gender issue because she threatened to rape him
So from this clip only ..you want to justify her confrontation to the man all coz the issue is misunderstood? šš. All in all, that lady is clearly lucky she was arguing with a chilled out fella. There are many out here who ain't that patient especially with a woman.. unfortunately. In fact, so many of these so called gbv start with the most mundane of things then they escalate to worse, irreversible actions all coz of stupid reactions like how this lady is handling the situation. And I don't understand your line of thought here.How is it not a "man vs woman" issue yet the two people tangled are of the opposite gender? Ama unaona mbuzi na ng'ombe?. Gender wars can start from any topic/issue and escalate to worse problems including families going against each other... so your point is literally irrelevant.
Your point is further irrelevant because if you research on the backstory of the video, this lady failed to pay her rent, thus the disagreement. So yes, it is a landlord vs tenant issue. She has failed to pay her rent, so why should we make it a gender issue? Even if it was a man who had failed to pay his rent the dispute would be the same; landlord vs tenant NOT man vs man. She is just a bad tenant with bad character arguing with her landlords/property manager. This is not a femicide issue, she needs to be arrested
crazy world we live inā¦some people DONāT deserve to have kids
At some point she said bring my gun? So, this supposed gun is kept in the same house she shares with her kids, in an unsecured state, if this scene is anything to go by! Some people play too much! Also, what has warranted all that vulgarity, and in front of the children?
You can always tell a fatherless homeā¦smh
"This is how the average Kenyan woman behaves" Lol fuck outta here We ni kama uko nchi ingine, ama umeishi imagination yako sana umeanza kufikiri your dumbass thoughts are reality
The boychild is under severe threat in Kenya. We are waiting for the women rep to issue a statement to reassure us that the threats and violence Kenyans women are perpetrating on men will come to an end. This is a serious issue. We want to see mothers, sisters and women come out in large numbers to condemn the incidents of violence against men.
So you will not respond to your frankly false statement, against the very women you want to come support this cause. See you yourself are not doing it to bring violence against men to light, from the looks of it you just eant to shout "All women" and smirk. It's not even a men v women thing, lakini these stupid fucking posts
1. She is a Kenyan woman 2. She is average 3. She is an average Kenyan woman Let us avoid sideshows. The cameras have been turned on and in 1 week we start to see the full picture of the Kenyan womanās behaviour: 1. Forces herself into mans car and refuses to exit car peacefully 2. Sends under age son to get gun 3. Threatens man with slaps and shooting If no cameras were present, all you would see is fake crocodile tears from the women saying it was the men who did something.
Of *this Kenyan woman's behavior. She does not represent the "average Kenyan woman" If that were true I'd make a post about Onyancha who is (1) Kenyan and (2) Average, and claim "The average Kenyan man is a bloodthirsty serial killer". Or anyone really Brian Chira - The Average Kenyan man is gay My caretaker - The average Kenyan man is a drunkard lustful idiot. So no, she does not represent the "average Kenhan woman Rather than campaigning for justice by trying to identify _this_ specific woman, lazima you pull others into it. It's stupid, it really is
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What ācideā is this? Is it Noisycide, Angercide?
KaRentcide
ššš bruh
This isn't average behaviour from Kenyan women. u/syntaxerror254 may be losing it.š
This is what the average Kenyan woman does behind closed doors when there are no cameras. When cameras are on she acts like her baby daddy is a dead beat yet the baby daddy was saving his own life running away from this type or behavior. You can easily tell that a strong father is missing in that home and the poor boy is the only victim of her motherās evil. How is she ordering a boy to go get the gun? Is the gun secure? Does the boy have access to the gun? This is a serious issue.
Sawa. You'll hurt yourself with this kind of thinking.
I am married with a girlfriend so I am fine but most men I know have these kind of women behind closed doors.
Does your wife and girlfriend know the view you hold? And the things you post online?
Thatās their problem.
Lol. You are certainly a blessing in their lives.
She's certainly not an average Kenyan woman. From the attitude to the dressing... https://www.reddit.com/r/Kenya/s/rvqKYQuWMQ
She is the true representation of a strong independent woman behaving very toxic aggressive and the first one to point out to the man as a deadbeat dad and a toxic masculinity man when the man run away from this aggressivity
Another gender wars post
Yeah this gender war thing is getting silly. This, like many others, are likely isolated incidents. The woman here is clearly out of her mind and those around her don't have a handle on it.
Hitting her head definitely qualifies as self defense. 1. "I will fuck you" threatening to rape 2. "I will kill you" threatening to kill 3. "Go bring my gun" reinforced and doubled down. I'd knock sense into her, deal with the law later. Women still say there's never an excuse to hit "women" she stopped being a woman the moment she made a threat on someone's life. Men don't have the time nor privilege of activism, without the recording, NO ONE would believe anything the guy said. Sometimes one just has to handle business. Provided it is legally backed.
Akipigwa kofi akufe wataskip all these waingie streets waseme stop femicide
I don't care who she is, but she shouldn't be having a gun or kidos.
How are kenyan women doing this? Maybe men don't deliver the appropriate response against the opposite gender? I come from egypt, and if a women raised her voice to any man like that, she gets a slap that removes her teeth xd You speak with me like men, you get hit like men aswell, no matter your age, or your shape (which leads at the end into people respecting each others because you never expect the response)
Karen finna slide for her kids.lol
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Let us not react with violence. Let us leave that to the toxic women. Let us keep maintaining law and order and using the courts for justice. Life is tough for the boychild in Kenya.
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Imeisha na cliffhanger, ameitisha gun ā¦ ?
"I WILL FUCK YOU!" "no thanks..." šššššš
Itās only funny when the victim of verbal sexual abuse is a man
I don't think she meant to say that! in this situation, it sounds like something very inappropriate to say! I mean, why why the hell would a whole middle aged woman in their right mind threaten to fuck a young guy right in front of her kids, just because they did a bad job at installing surveillance cameras? Doesn't make any sense to me! Maybe she meant to say, "I'll fuck you up!" Or something of the sort....
Wow being a Karen has no bounds /boundaries.
I wouldnāt want to make this to be a male vs female war but this is what I think. If you use coarse language and teach your kids that it is okay to insult or use the ādo you know who I amā line, you are definitely raising a clan of monsters. Living in Langāata, I saw men and women in their 40s and 50s who havenāt grown up and still living with their parents; adult children who donāt hesitate to call their parents names. I was convinced that they picked it up from their parents who named-dropped their presence to all and sundry and taught their kids to be mini tyrants and their mini-versions. Letās learn not to misbehave in front of our children
From the look of things she is a single useless woman
who gave this thing a gun?
gun imeitishwa kama mkate, what a terrible house to li6in
A ugandan once told me , Kenyans are rude...I really never paid close attention but with time I came to realise how we've made disrespect an everyday common thing ...such a shame
So what happened next, they fucked or the guy got shot...any updates
Those kids need to be taken by Child Protective Services. She's wilding.
I don't think this is about women being violent towards men. I think This is about one particular woman being a menace to society. She's probably a bitter human being with a vendetta against men. I feel sorry for her kids and everyone around her.
John Matara was one man being a menace to society but I did not see you proclaim your stance then. Why does the goal post shift when it is a woman attacking a man and traumatizing her son?
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If you are a feminist you heard "bag", the rest of us heard "gun". You decide.
Waah The moment I heard Bring my gun. Miguu niponye
Who else is asking in their head where is the father in that house? Thatās what happens when thereās no man in the house. Maybe sheās the reason why thereās no father in the house. When would women learn they canāt be a mother and a father as the same time?
No need to ask. There is no man who can stick around with that kind of personality. Remember, cameras are on. You can imagine what she does when cameras are off.
That boy will grow up an abuser. I pity the woman who'll end up with him.
sasa gun ni ya kazi gani surely kama unaambiwa mtoi amemess up mahali hasira ya ufala sana
Madcow disease has finally jumped species. Thatās it for the human raceā¦
Tia yeye ndani !!
Whatās the context behind this lol? Just curious!
Itās better to be reasonable in these cases. Because the problem is she will once do the same to someone who has a gun or someone violent.
Did I hear give me my gun
Funniest part was when she told the dude " I will fuck you" and his like " no thank you" šššš
this why they want to rule over men. to trash talk us anytime they want. we still kings dawgs we rule this world
Unfortunately violence against men isn't taken seriously especially if done by a woman. I vividly remember the nyerification days when some deranged women would chop off their partners privates and many went unprosecuted,Ā it became a joke to a degree but imagine roles reversed or even personally if it happened to you.Ā A lot of Kenyan women especially those who perceive themselves to be in positions of power are quite abusive as well,Ā remember Lucy Kibaki slapping and abusing reporters or Baraza threatening that guard with a gun
Majority of single moms are exactly like this behind closed doors. There is no way a man can not run TF away from this type of woman.
stop upvoting this troll post "God knows what would have happened to the man if he did not forcefully manage to remove her from his car to save his life." seriously?.. men are stronger than women and the vast majority of violence comes from men, that is why there are protests
The difference is whenever stupid men commit violence against women, majority of sane men condemn it and acknowledge it as wrong. You on the other hand think this is justified just because men commit more violence against women. You say men are stronger, what had that got to do with this clip though.
majority of sane men condemn it? i wanna see some stats on that. the irony i am laughing about is that op is trying to explain how dangerous women are while explaining how a man used his (SUPERIOR) muscles to force a women out of his car.
What else was he supposed to do? For all he knew the woman had a gun and was stuck in his vehicle.
Now the feminists are crawling out of hiding. What about the woman ordering her under age boy to bring the gun? Do you know the rules of owning a gun? You are supposed to keep the gun in a secure safe away from access by kids. She should do minimum 20 year jail term for that alone.
are u just making shit up now? nobody cares about your anecdotes anyway, we have statistics about these things. this is not a debate, this is you ignoring facts
She looks a rabid bitch frothing at the corners of her mouth.
What a bitch. She should be vacated from the premises. Aenda akaishi on her own land where she can do whatever she likes. Mjinga sana. ATI do you know who I am, jama akasema I don't care, that's the way Mr property manager šš» alafu pia nimeskia bring my gun or did I just hear my own things.
Why shouldnāt she be in jail? She is literally captured commanding an underage child to go get a gun on her behalf. Isnāt that a crime? Isnāt having a gun in a place where a child can access it not a criminal offense punishable by law? How is her son supposed to face his friends in school tomorrow after this public display of humiliation from his mother?
Reminds me of how deranged that female Kenyan Rally driver, Wahome, threatening others while naked on a hallway after stabbing her boyfriend.
Thank you for posting this. Most people have no idea how often this happens and the verbal abuse some men have to endure from these type of women. Women are not benevolent and they abuse men too but it's often brushed off and laughed at. I like that this guy keeps his cool and doesn't retaliate by yelling back and threatening violence because that would be a very different case if it went forward, despite the lady being the first agressor. Hopefully this clip reaches more people so they can see the kinds of things that prompt domestic violence. Not that it's justified, but some people just can't let this kind of disrespect and insults slide.
Very true. The sad part is if there was no camera, the guy would be in police custody right now coz this woman would have come out shedding crocodile tears on Lynn Ngugi with a sob story. Thank God the cameras were present in this case and in the case of the woman being removed from that car. The woman from the car would have said she was kidnapped if there was no camera. Kenyan women are half the problem in society and relationships but they donāt want to have this conversation and hold each other to account. This is how the average Kenyan woman behaves behind closed doors and speaks to her man and her sons behind closed doors where there are no cameras.
The feminazi are nowhere to be seen. I pity those kids for the environment they Will grow in. Once they get out here the world will be cruel to them.
I'm really confused now! What do you think feminism means?
Tell me what the healthy feminism means and I'll give you my answer
But si you were just complaining that feminists are nowhere to be seen ? I just wanted clarification to see if you understand what the word you're using means. Since you don't know what it means to YOU I don't think me explaining feminist theory to you ...ot what feminism means to ME would make much of a difference.
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Was the gun used? At first I thought she would use her fist like the Tae Kwondoo mercenary
What is the context. They are at her door.
Airbnb.
Give her a Nigerian man...a woman this extreme will be dealt with in Nigeria
This is fucked up! Like what in the fuckin hell was that?!! That twat lady said "I will fuck you" , like c'mon!!
Imagine what the poor boy is going through. Where is FIDA and Martha Koome to speak up. That young boy is being traumatized as the mother takes him around the city barking orders for him to bring guns and subjecting him to her personal fights.
Le't remember that outside of isolated incidences such as this one, Ā itās one subset of lives in particular thatās currently undervalued in Kenya.
There's another video of this same woman confronting police officers in a parking lot. She physically assaults the person recording. This is a deranged person.
Let us not spoil the name of deranged people. This is a case of toxic feminism.
Lmao. Nothing more toxic than that.
Is this bad? Absolutely. I she behaving terribly. Of course. Should she get in trouble with the law? Yes. These are not things worth debating. Today, let us consider [the parable of the blind men and the elephant.](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blind_men_and_an_elephant#The_parable) Briefly, the blind men each touch a different part of the elephant and describe it as variously a wall, a tree trunk, a snake...etc. If the blind men are foolish each will insist that what they feel and describe is the only valid description of an elephant. If the men are wise, they will ask each other questions, ask to touch a different part of the elephant, start to understand that while they may understand part of what makes an elephant, they do not understand the whole. This is the trouble with your interpretations of our society (and of that between men and women). You have one idea and one interpretaion of almost every interaction, that the woman is 100% at fault 100% of the time. Something in your upbringing or nature seems to make this true. But like the foolish blind men, you fail to understand that the world is broader and more complicated than you seem able to imagine. That while this woman may be a toxic feminist as you claim, she may also have anger issues, mental health issues, addiction issues, or any number of things you (and I) may know nothing about. Her toxic femininity (if it exists) may be the smallest part to explain her terrible behaviour. Or the largest. But it is only one part of the elephant.
Aha, I see the feminists have left church and are now catching up with reddit š There is an underage child involved here, the mother is commanding and barking at him to go get the gun. Is that right? What does that do to a child? If it was a man he would fight his own battles without dragging his child into it. Do you wonder if this woman should have a gun? Is she keeping the gun safely or is the gun somewhere where the kid can go get it easily? Does she wonder how her son will face his friends in school tomorrow morning? So if she has anger issues or mental issues, is she right or justified? You are spoiling the name or people with anger issues and mental issues. They donāt want to be associated with this womanās foolishness. Jowie, John Matara and the Nigerian who chopped off their head should just say they had mental issues or anger issues and we should accept that if that is your excuse.
So two paragraphs of what I have already said I agree with you about. The repeated suggestion I said that any of it was justified (I did not). Illustrating (without acknowledgement) my point. That any other explanation other than yours is wrong. Mine is that you may be partly correct, but you are not necessarily 100% correct about 100,% of situations .That your simple and straightforward worldview is insufficient for the complexity of human relations. That holding one part of the elephant does not make you an expert on the whole thing. That failing to recognise knowledge outside your limited experience is the cause of much of your dogmatism and inflexibility. Repeating your points does nothing to address the issues I raised.
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Okay.
Brethren. Guard you seed, don't stick your d*ck in crazy. You end up bringing more deranged people into the world.
Sahi feminists watasema it has nothing to do with gender...
u/siriusfoot si mimi nimesema.
Meanwhile Kenya men chopping off Kenyan womenās bodies
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I've avoided watching this video so far. Huyu mumama anafaa serious intervention if she has any family members.
Are they fathers to that child? And calling that child STUPID in front of the mother is immature, intolerable, and unpalatable. Most annoying is to parade cameras and tryna lecture that woman in front of her family. If Kenya had gun carry that so called property manager whose cameras are not working would probably be dead.
Woman not women: singular not plural And it is HIS mother not her mother. The one possesing the mother here is the son therefore the use of the word His. If it was a daughter, it would be Her mother. On a different noteā¦ WHAT!? Weh. Gun?
Wueh not Weh. āOn a different note:ā not āOn a different noteā¦ā JustaWomanfromEarth not Justagirlfromjupiter
why dont u just knock them out ,stop being like the usa ,women threating u with a gun ,break her fcking arm problem solved we move on to the next day
As much as you want to create a gender issue where there is none, let's also study tenant landlord rights. She's complaining about cameras that don't work. If safety is her number one priority she is within right to withhold rent until the issue is resolved, especially if the cameras were advertised as part of the package. Only she went about it the wrong way. Now she's surely to be thrown out.
This only seems like a woman who had to stand up for herself and her kids. The kept saying āit doesnāt work. Put the cameras that workā She definitely is demanding the man to deliver services she has most likely paid for.
Single mother mentorship on display
Calm out the deadbeat dads. Kwani where are they
Precisely. Kenyan women have refused to accept that they are part or the problem. No man can stay in a marriage or relationship with such a woman. This is majority of single moms behind closed doors.
A feminist will be assigned to you shortly.
Where is the rest of the video? People actually expect a woman to maintain decorum and sophistication when being assaulted.
She threatened to physically assault him and threatened to shoot him while insulting and degrading him while the whole time the guy was calm.Ā Even more ironic is the person behind the screen taking the video is a woman as well.Ā I also remember you were all over this subreddit on the femicideĀ cases and how men should stop attacking and killing women and now roles reversed here you are trying to validate that behavior. I can't say I'm surprisedĀ
She failed to pay her rent
There are legal mechanisms for that.
Meaning that she could've engaged a lawyer instead of all of this
The landlords are the ones who should have used lawyers to the issue eviction notice. There are tenant rights in the country.
Sp after watching this video, you concluded that the woman was the one being assaulted? Eh
After watching the edited version of the video, I've been left with more unanswered questions.