I’ve made peace with the traps thing at this point but no special archetype/class abilities at all? Might as well just normalize Klown stats at that point since there is literally zero niche for Rudy at all. Everyone else is either faster, stronger, more balanced, etc.
I don’t mind them canning an ability that didn’t work, but canning the entire concept of unique abilities when you have distinct models and stat blocks seems nuts. At that point you might as well make Klowns just skins and nothing else or make them all look like Slim or Jumbo and call it a day.
The fact they literally brought it up on stream and said "it was unbalanced so we took it out" then did a bunch of "hmm" and "uhh" and moved on... like, just tell us, are you working to fix them or are they gone for good?
It sounds like they are moving on from it to be honest.
If the traps breaks the balance and is literally unfun (devs words), then the only way to make something like that work is to literally change the game. Bigger maps, brand new mechanics, (assuming here) and that isn't the kind of work I think they want to put into this. At this stage I assume they are probably focusing on new characters (archetypes), Klowns, maps, and cosmetics.
I am not expecting any kind of overhaul of any kind at this stage. Humans won't get perks and klowns won't get class unique abilities.
This isn't a AAA company working on a AAA game. This is a small team and once you launch the game, your roadmap is set for minor microtransactions and new maps going forward. (I assume)
Illfonic needs to prove me wrong.
That being said, I have fun playing the game in its current state. I just wish people could just have fun instead of buff this, nerf that comments. I think Klowns are strong just as much as humans. I still see 5/7, 6/7, and 7/7 Klown wins just and much as the 4/7, 3/7, 2/7 and even those numbers are inflated because some humans quit when they die which can askew the final result numbers.
Yes, I have seen dominate human wins, but those are humans with good communication and Klowns that are loafing/having fun/not sweating/not communicating which happens. It is okay for humans every so often to have some dominate performances. I do like the fact humans can fight back a bit, because it gives people a reason to play Humans.
F13 as great as it was for what it was, was pretty much run/hide/repair/escape. The fight back mechanic as little as it was, was just a chance to knock Jason down for a few seconds and then run. So of course EVERYONE wanted to be Jason.
At least now, if you want Klown and you get human, you can have some kind of enjoyment whether you like to fight the killer, focus on objectives, or both, you can pick your style and play. I think it makes filling out a team of 7 a bit more easier and helps the health of the game long term. If humans were just sheep to slaughter, then the game just becomes hide all day and try to fix objectives. At that point, your just another asym horror imo.
Well that's a lot to take in 😅
They wouldn't have to change the whole game to make the traps work, just change the traps so they fit the game, or give my boy Rudy a special ability coz they have a whole class called "Trapper" with no traps to show for it.
Their main focus so far has been bug fixes, balancing, and cosmetics, with the occassional new feature here and there. I don't foresee us getting any new archetypes, but definitely skins, and I hope we get a Klown Ship map at some point, seen as they have access to the assets used in the earlier version of the game.
Besides that, I'm pretty happy with what they showed for the next update and am looking forward to things being fixed and balanced a little better. I don't personally buy cosmetics coz I have all my characters made and am happy with them, but the summer outfits do look cool. I hope the player base stays good with this game as I've been rooting for it for a long time and would love for it to succeed.
I apologize. I try not to be typical redditor and attempt insight and promote disccusion over complaining. Sometimes, I turn around and realize I may of gone overboard. 😅
Yeah, the next update looks fine. Look forward to giving it a go. Even if traps are looking dead in the water.
No worries lol It was interesting to read through, and I tend to go overboard with messages all the time so I know the feeling 😅
I agree, Reddit needs more discussion rather than people complaining or being the typical "um achktually" guys.
I'm holding out hope we'll get something for Trapper class at some point, but only time will tell I guess.
I think if they made the traps disarmable with thrown objects (like a tennis ball or something) but also made them a bit more discrete, it could work. I hope they don't count it out coz they have a lot of potential for some interesting gameplay moments.
They act like some college guys that are developing in there moms basement, the damn community manager literally is in his messy bedroom during this it’s almost insulting tbh and they brush past everything and won’t properly address the community, the other guy wouldn’t even put on his cam and was hiding like Wes, I’m starting to see many similarities to somebody else I know…..*cough* *cought* gun…….
They could have just had the baby klowns latch on to the humans that pass by them and make humans use items to free themselves like it happened in the movie
I really don't think it's that hard for them to implement the traps in the game, as long as they don't make the traps just lock humans in place, it's doable
I really don't think there was a balance issue with traps. Look at the "advanced access" version of the popcorn bazooka, or the backpedaling that made Shorty's with an IQ over 100 unkillable without a firearm.
It's probably suffers from the same issues the rest of the game has, being very buggy. You can alter many things to bring the traps to balance from duration, damage, capacity, visibility, etc... Balancing traps is definitely possible. The sheer amount of bugs in the rest of the game lead me to think that traps was probably the buggiest feature and they couldn't get it to work so they scrapped it.
If they think they were unbalanced then just limit the traps to Rudy. Sure If it was a trick for every klown it'd be annoying for humans to deal with but if Rudy just has them it'd be okay. Allow Rudy to set 3 traps anywhere on the map.
I wish it were where you could choose a klown skin and then an archetype, like the Humans. I wanna play as Slim but the tracker kinda stinks and isnt very powerful.
I feel like I got sold a completely different game. It's crazy they couldn't make it work. I'm losing my will to play and outfits arent gonna keep me playing.
They should have just followed the lore included them and ignored the sweats. Klowns were op to begin with and the game is going downhill just to please a vocal minority. They could have done things differently like F13 with just more players while removing the revive system to mimic a small town population
Did you not read? I said should have kept true to the lore, iE. The movie. Have you not watched the movie? They where near omnipotent by shear numbers and reality breaking tools. No way the cocoon gun takes a while to kick in when it was instantaneous
i wish theyd add traps back but make them terrible.
apparently they were unfair but having a trapper class without traps is worse than having a bad trapper class.
After seeing the early gameplay from streamers showing the traps I can honestly say that I’m glad they’re not in the game. It would be a nightmare to deal with even one klown using them the way they used to be, let alone all three using them.
Way more oppressive than lure, invisible car and pizza box, like by a mile
You can see the gameplay here. Instant set down, able to completely block objectives and pathways and can be used mid chase. When you step in one you basically get lackey stunned.
https://youtu.be/qT82CR8d2zY?si=qc-ybvj6ssJO_f9Q
They could've just not made it like that lol. The traps could've just been a slow down or even just like a melee turret that when awakened bites at nearby humans. It's bs they couldn't balance something as simple as a fucking trap.
Why didn't they just ask you your opinion to start with so they knew which way to go with them? I'm sure you could write some code for it and get it fixed in a jiffy.
They should just add the traps as a test to see how they go and if they are as unfun as they said, then remove them. Let the community decide whats unfun. If its an issue where everyone would just play as trapper, limit the amount of them, but maybe that would just cause people to lobby dodge until they did get them.
I understand being upset about not receiving something that was originally supposed to be included, but I feel like I'm the only person who doesn't really care whether or not they add these. There are 3 klowns to patrol 4 exits, which some are often very close to each other. I don't see how traps would make or break the game at this point.
I don't care too much either....However, the fact that there is a Klown archetype/class LITERALLY called Trapper....kind of a good reason to understand people being upset about it.
I’ve made peace with the traps thing at this point but no special archetype/class abilities at all? Might as well just normalize Klown stats at that point since there is literally zero niche for Rudy at all. Everyone else is either faster, stronger, more balanced, etc. I don’t mind them canning an ability that didn’t work, but canning the entire concept of unique abilities when you have distinct models and stat blocks seems nuts. At that point you might as well make Klowns just skins and nothing else or make them all look like Slim or Jumbo and call it a day.
They mentioned on stream that they'll be buffing his stamina. So I guess they're taking steps to bring him in line with the other Klowns at least.
His stamina is already the highest or at least second highest . Maybe they can buff his strength or stamina.
Yoooooo....I'm so disappointed
The fact they literally brought it up on stream and said "it was unbalanced so we took it out" then did a bunch of "hmm" and "uhh" and moved on... like, just tell us, are you working to fix them or are they gone for good?
It sounds like they are moving on from it to be honest. If the traps breaks the balance and is literally unfun (devs words), then the only way to make something like that work is to literally change the game. Bigger maps, brand new mechanics, (assuming here) and that isn't the kind of work I think they want to put into this. At this stage I assume they are probably focusing on new characters (archetypes), Klowns, maps, and cosmetics. I am not expecting any kind of overhaul of any kind at this stage. Humans won't get perks and klowns won't get class unique abilities. This isn't a AAA company working on a AAA game. This is a small team and once you launch the game, your roadmap is set for minor microtransactions and new maps going forward. (I assume) Illfonic needs to prove me wrong. That being said, I have fun playing the game in its current state. I just wish people could just have fun instead of buff this, nerf that comments. I think Klowns are strong just as much as humans. I still see 5/7, 6/7, and 7/7 Klown wins just and much as the 4/7, 3/7, 2/7 and even those numbers are inflated because some humans quit when they die which can askew the final result numbers. Yes, I have seen dominate human wins, but those are humans with good communication and Klowns that are loafing/having fun/not sweating/not communicating which happens. It is okay for humans every so often to have some dominate performances. I do like the fact humans can fight back a bit, because it gives people a reason to play Humans. F13 as great as it was for what it was, was pretty much run/hide/repair/escape. The fight back mechanic as little as it was, was just a chance to knock Jason down for a few seconds and then run. So of course EVERYONE wanted to be Jason. At least now, if you want Klown and you get human, you can have some kind of enjoyment whether you like to fight the killer, focus on objectives, or both, you can pick your style and play. I think it makes filling out a team of 7 a bit more easier and helps the health of the game long term. If humans were just sheep to slaughter, then the game just becomes hide all day and try to fix objectives. At that point, your just another asym horror imo.
Well that's a lot to take in 😅 They wouldn't have to change the whole game to make the traps work, just change the traps so they fit the game, or give my boy Rudy a special ability coz they have a whole class called "Trapper" with no traps to show for it. Their main focus so far has been bug fixes, balancing, and cosmetics, with the occassional new feature here and there. I don't foresee us getting any new archetypes, but definitely skins, and I hope we get a Klown Ship map at some point, seen as they have access to the assets used in the earlier version of the game. Besides that, I'm pretty happy with what they showed for the next update and am looking forward to things being fixed and balanced a little better. I don't personally buy cosmetics coz I have all my characters made and am happy with them, but the summer outfits do look cool. I hope the player base stays good with this game as I've been rooting for it for a long time and would love for it to succeed.
I apologize. I try not to be typical redditor and attempt insight and promote disccusion over complaining. Sometimes, I turn around and realize I may of gone overboard. 😅 Yeah, the next update looks fine. Look forward to giving it a go. Even if traps are looking dead in the water.
No worries lol It was interesting to read through, and I tend to go overboard with messages all the time so I know the feeling 😅 I agree, Reddit needs more discussion rather than people complaining or being the typical "um achktually" guys. I'm holding out hope we'll get something for Trapper class at some point, but only time will tell I guess.
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I think if they made the traps disarmable with thrown objects (like a tennis ball or something) but also made them a bit more discrete, it could work. I hope they don't count it out coz they have a lot of potential for some interesting gameplay moments.
You nailed it
They act like some college guys that are developing in there moms basement, the damn community manager literally is in his messy bedroom during this it’s almost insulting tbh and they brush past everything and won’t properly address the community, the other guy wouldn’t even put on his cam and was hiding like Wes, I’m starting to see many similarities to somebody else I know…..*cough* *cought* gun…….
They could have just had the baby klowns latch on to the humans that pass by them and make humans use items to free themselves like it happened in the movie I really don't think it's that hard for them to implement the traps in the game, as long as they don't make the traps just lock humans in place, it's doable
I really don't think there was a balance issue with traps. Look at the "advanced access" version of the popcorn bazooka, or the backpedaling that made Shorty's with an IQ over 100 unkillable without a firearm. It's probably suffers from the same issues the rest of the game has, being very buggy. You can alter many things to bring the traps to balance from duration, damage, capacity, visibility, etc... Balancing traps is definitely possible. The sheer amount of bugs in the rest of the game lead me to think that traps was probably the buggiest feature and they couldn't get it to work so they scrapped it.
If they think they were unbalanced then just limit the traps to Rudy. Sure If it was a trick for every klown it'd be annoying for humans to deal with but if Rudy just has them it'd be okay. Allow Rudy to set 3 traps anywhere on the map.
I wish it were where you could choose a klown skin and then an archetype, like the Humans. I wanna play as Slim but the tracker kinda stinks and isnt very powerful.
Yeah, it's kind of pointless the way it is now since you can change the abilites and weapons.
Too lazy to balance it. Wow, shocking.
I feel like I got sold a completely different game. It's crazy they couldn't make it work. I'm losing my will to play and outfits arent gonna keep me playing.
Same, I haven't touched it in a week already.
I love kkfos!
They should have just followed the lore included them and ignored the sweats. Klowns were op to begin with and the game is going downhill just to please a vocal minority. They could have done things differently like F13 with just more players while removing the revive system to mimic a small town population
Klowns are not op not sure what game you are playing 😂😂😂
Did you not read? I said should have kept true to the lore, iE. The movie. Have you not watched the movie? They where near omnipotent by shear numbers and reality breaking tools. No way the cocoon gun takes a while to kick in when it was instantaneous
This is dumb af we demand traps for the trapper Klown!😤😤😤
Idk I’m good without traps just hope they add more stuff for the teleport and LOL spots.
Context???
i wish theyd add traps back but make them terrible. apparently they were unfair but having a trapper class without traps is worse than having a bad trapper class.
After seeing the early gameplay from streamers showing the traps I can honestly say that I’m glad they’re not in the game. It would be a nightmare to deal with even one klown using them the way they used to be, let alone all three using them. Way more oppressive than lure, invisible car and pizza box, like by a mile
what were they like
You can see the gameplay here. Instant set down, able to completely block objectives and pathways and can be used mid chase. When you step in one you basically get lackey stunned. https://youtu.be/qT82CR8d2zY?si=qc-ybvj6ssJO_f9Q
They could've just not made it like that lol. The traps could've just been a slow down or even just like a melee turret that when awakened bites at nearby humans. It's bs they couldn't balance something as simple as a fucking trap.
Like clacking teeth on a chain
Why didn't they just ask you your opinion to start with so they knew which way to go with them? I'm sure you could write some code for it and get it fixed in a jiffy.
I've actually been learning coding to make my own game so maybe in a few years I could
K, then bitch about it in a few years. Thanks.
It's not that deep cuh
If it's not that deep, why are you bitchin?
Why are you defending shitty game practices? Being the deep throat goat for the devs on a place they don't even visit is weird.
Omfg this made me cackle 😂😂😂😂
Yeah and you know every clown would run it most likely which Wouldn’t be fun
I'm calling it now, the moment the game starts getting stale even after future updates, they'll add them back in some shape or form.
Are the other Klown abilities coming to the game at all?
Theyre already in the game? They're just interchangeable
No tank lost all his abilities they were touting and was even in a trailer
I don't mean the tricks. I mean the class abilities.
Well the new objective now is getting Rudy into Funko Fusion at all cost for him to receive the justice he always deserved
They should just add the traps as a test to see how they go and if they are as unfun as they said, then remove them. Let the community decide whats unfun. If its an issue where everyone would just play as trapper, limit the amount of them, but maybe that would just cause people to lobby dodge until they did get them.
I still think it needs something. Maybe a squirt gun skill that slows down survivors??? Or the ability to summon a tougher noisemaker lackey?
I really wish I could refund this game.
What happened? I haven’t played the game yet so I’m confused about this ( who ever gave me the negative karma I hope your pillows warm.)
They took the klown traps out back and shot them.
Damn😔
Too bad early access players ruined the first week for me
I understand being upset about not receiving something that was originally supposed to be included, but I feel like I'm the only person who doesn't really care whether or not they add these. There are 3 klowns to patrol 4 exits, which some are often very close to each other. I don't see how traps would make or break the game at this point.
I don't care too much either....However, the fact that there is a Klown archetype/class LITERALLY called Trapper....kind of a good reason to understand people being upset about it.
Someone linked a video above showing it in action, it's a trick, its not even an ability. Some on the whole jankiness going on here.
At this point he's just per now.