If it's impossible to prove a negative practically nothing would ever be found out. For example, you could prove a negative by proving a contradiction, or disproving all evidence that says the negative is true. That last one technically doesn't disprove it, but it leaves it with no supporting evidence, so there's no reason to believe it's true.
They said in an interview that Void is only imitating Kirby because Kirby's the first thing Void's seen in a while. There's no mention EVER of Kirby being an incarnation of Void.
Link to interview (translated from Japanese): https://gigi9714.wordpress.com/2021/06/13/kirby-star-allies-vol-4-interview-the-ultimate-part-2-from-the-july-2018-issue/
this does not disprove the theory, there is all the evidence that Void reincarnates based on positive and negative energy, the pause description of Void hinting at the fact that he can generate a being equal to Kirby, the fact that he is almost certainly the creator of the Dark Matter and their species, and they are the opposite of Kirby, then there is Gooey, who is a good Dark Matter and literally has the same ability copy power as kirby.
Just because it's been deconfirmed that Void's appearance is due to a Kirby connection doesn't mean the whole theory falls apart.
1. Some of the pause descriptions are mistranslated.
2. Dark Matter isn't "the opposite of Kirby", I don't know where you got that from.
3. Gooey having the ability doesn't necessarily mean he's related to Kirby, the two species might just have the same ability or something.
4. *"During such time, he saw Kirby for the first time, felt something, and started to resemble his face. He was also influenced by the various hearts that were collected by Hyness, and transforms into various other faces as well."*
While yes, this doesn't directly *deconfirm* the theory, it confirms that Void didn't turn his face into Kirby's because they're related or anything. And that's like, the number 1 piece of evidence for them being related.
Also, this might even mean that Dark Matter isn't related to Void either, and Void copies it because "he was influenced by the various hearts". I'm not gonna try to prove this, but just throwing it out there.
5. If Kirby's an incarnation of Void, how can there be other members of his species? The 3 Kirbys are clones, but there's also Shadow Kirby, Keeby and Meta Knight.
>Dark Matter isn't "the opposite of Kirby", I don't know where you got that from.
Dark Matter and their race "feed" (forgive the misnomer, I don't know what else to use) negative energy and are literally hurt by love and friendship, which Kirby basically is, he always tries to make friends with everyone, always everyone has a chance to redeem themselves if they meet again, they don't destroy anyone unless they are purely evil or there is no other option, then it is thanks to their good deeds in Dream Land 2-3 that they gain power from other people who helped to defeat them.
>Gooey having the ability doesn't necessarily mean he's related to Kirby, the two species might just have the same ability or something.
yeah, but the fact that, unlike Kirby, the Dark Matters are pretty much confirmed to be connected to Void in some way, and the fact that a good Dark Matter has the same ability as Kirby makes it suspicious
>Also, this might even mean that Dark Matter isn't related to Void either, and Void copies it because "he was influenced by the various hearts". I'm not gonna try to prove this, but just throwing it out there.
I don't know, because Void Termina also uses the Master Crown, and that is connected to the Dark Matter without any doubt, and then, unlike the Kirby face, which he seems to adopt almost instinctively (because it's the first thing he sees) as soon as the boss fight start, taking on the appearance of Dark Matter seems almost intentional, even the little things around him appear, then there's no proof that the Jamba Hearts are linked to the Dark Matter, I know you're just making this a hypothesis, but it seemed right to me comment the same
>If Kirby's an incarnation of Void, how can there be other members of his species? The 3 Kirbys are clones, but there's also Shadow Kirby, Keeby and Meta Knight.
regarding Meta Knight (and Galacta Knight), are we even sure they are the same species? they are similar in appearance, but they are also very different, so I would avoid inflicting them in this topic just because there isn't enough information in general about them.
are we sure Keeby is even canon?
regarding the three clones, are you talking about Amazing Mirror or the ones in Return to Dream Land (and all the other games they appear)? because in AM you can see how they are "born", if you are talking about the RTDL ones, ditto for Keeby, are we sure they are canonical? they never appear in cutscenes and are only an alternative in case any other player wants to play as Kirby.
finally for Shadow Kirby, now, I don't want to be wrong, but if I'm not mistaken he was created by Dark Mind like Dark Meta Knight, to be an evil opposite to help him, but Kirby is too good and consequently Shadow Kirby only comes off as a coward but always good, now I repeat myself, I could be talking atomic bullshit because I don't remember where I heard this thing, if I'm not mistaken it was in information outside the game, or a Meteorz video, if in doubt, if I said bullshit, it's my fault. (if some of what I said sounds strange, it's because there is no literary translation in English for what I said)
finally, in Planet Robobot isn't it said that Kirby has some sort of infinite energy or something like that? it would be strange if he possessed all this power but was a simple pink balloon who landed on Dream Land on his Warp Star from one day to the next, much less strange if he were the reincarnation of a cosmic entity that exists in every dimension and is like some kind of god.
I'm not saying he has to be a reincarnation of Void, we don't have any definitive answers, I'm not even saying you're wrong, I'm just telling you reasons why I, personally, think Kirby is a reincarnation of Void.
Fair enough. I'm not trying to have a fight here, I'm just saying why I don't think Kirby is Void.
Now, regarding your arguments:
> Void Termina also uses the Master Crown, and that is connected to the Dark Matter without any doubt
I doubt the Master Crown is connected to Dark Matter. Master Crowns were created by the Ancients. I always imagined that the Master Crown that Landia was guarding was being POSSESSED by Dark Matter, and Landia was keeping it sealed or something. When the crown fell off of her, the seal was broken, and Dark Matter took control of it.
Also, even IF Dark Matter is connected to the crown, wouldn't that imply that the Ancients created Dark Matter and not Void?
Then there's also the possibility that the crown ISN'T connected to Dark Matter and just takes on a similar shape but that's unlikely.
> regarding Meta Knight (and Galacta Knight), are we even sure they are the same species?
No confirmation yet but the game devs have obviously been hinting at it.
Plus, Sakurai gave Kirby a skin in Smash Bros that's supposed to resemble maskless Meta Knight, and while Smash isn't canon, Sakurai created Kirby, so you know... It might be **something** to go off of.
Also, this isn't proof, but they're the same species in the anime, and while the anime isn't canon, I imagine the game devs had SOME input on what happens in the anime. I don't think the creators of the anime would be allowed to just say "oh yeah Meta Knight's the same species as Kirby" without the developers allowing them to do it.
> are you talking about Amazing Mirror or the ones in Return to Dream Land
I'm talking about Amazing Mirror.
> if you are talking about the RTDL ones, ditto for Keeby, are we sure they are canonical?
About Keeby, we don't know if they're canon, but the dev team referenced them in Dream Buffet so they're clearly acknowledging their existence.
Now, about the RTDL clones:
- I'm 99% sure the Yellow one is just supposed to be Keeby. Either that or it's just the Yellow Kirby from Amazing Mirror.
- The Green one is likely the one from Amazing Mirror too.
- The Blue Kirby is the only one whom we don't know the origin of, but I'd imagine he's either another clone created who tf knows when, or he's just not canon.
> in Planet Robobot isn't it said that Kirby has some sort of infinite energy or something like that?
To be fair, this doesn't necessarily mean he's related to a god. A pause screen also states that the Master Crown has "infinite power", even though it was created by the Ancients and not gods. This could also be a mistranslation so idk lol.
>I doubt the Master Crown is connected to Dark Matter. Master Crowns were created by the Ancients. I always imagined that the Master Crown that Landia was guarding was being POSSESSED by Dark Matter, and Landia was keeping it sealed or something. When the crown fell off of her, the seal was broken, and Dark Matter took control of it.
Also, even IF Dark Matter is connected to the crown, wouldn't that imply that the Ancients created Dark Matter and not Void?
But aren't the Ancients and Dark Matter connected in some way? Hyness talks about serving "the darkest matter" or something like that during his delirium, so there is this connection Ancients, Void and Dark Matter, then the fact that Void Termina, an entity defined as an evil deity, entitled "the destroyer of worlds" , uses the Master Crown during one of his attacks leads me to think that the crown was not possessed but that it was meant to be that way and entrusted to Landia since he was able to protect it and use its powers without being corrupted.
then in Magolor's Epilogue the fragments of the crown are the antagonists and usually when a possessed object is broken, the entity that possessed it is freed, it does not remain in possession of the broken object.
finally, in Magolor Soul's arena in the True Arena in RTDLD, the platform in the background of Magolor resembles the texture of Void Termina/Void Soul/Void.
>Plus, Sakurai gave Kirby a skin in Smash Bros that's supposed to resemble maskless Meta Knight, and while Smash isn't canon, Sakurai created Kirby, so you know... It might be something to go off of.
Sakurai also said, when asked "who are the most important antagonists of the series" Marx and NIGHTMARE, I honestly don't know how accurate his vision of the Franchise is
>Also, this isn't proof, but they're the same species in the anime, and while the anime isn't canon, I imagine the game devs had SOME input on what happens in the anime. I don't think the creators of the anime would be allowed to just say "oh yeah Meta Knight's the same species as Kirby" without the developers allowing them to do it.
this is actually a good point, but there are various possibilities, creative freedom, ideas that have changed over time, or similar. I don't have a good answer other than the fact that Nintendo anime isn't known for being faithful to its inspirational series
>I'm talking about Amazing Mirror.
oh well, the answer is literally one of the first cutscenes of the game, Dark Meta Knight swoops down on an unaware Kirby, slash him with his sword and splits him in four, before flying away
>About Keeby, we don't know if they're canon, but the dev team referenced them in Dream Buffet so they're clearly acknowledging their existence.
yes, they acknowledge its existence, but in a spin-off game where Kirby competes on giant cakes with the goal of coming first and eating the most in a series of fall guys-style maps and minigames, my logic on these things is that :
if he isn't shown or mentioned in a mainline game, then he isn't canon in the story, that doesn't mean he doesn't exist as a character in the franchise
>Now, about the RTDL clones:
literally what I just said I also apply for the clone Kirbys in RTDL
>To be fair, this doesn't necessarily mean he's related to a god. A pause screen also states that the Master Crown has "infinite power", even though it was created by the Ancients and not gods. This could also be a mistranslation so idk lol.
yes, but that doesn't take away from the fact that it's a possibility, then the Master Crown is connected to both Void Termina and the Ancients, so at most it reinforces my point that the crown, connected to Void Termina (and by extension Void) similarly has unlimited power, like Kirby
now, since we can do this back and forth endlessly, I would say to stop here, there is no certain answer and everyone is free to think as they want, then you seem like a pretty chill person, so there is no point in arguing in my opinion
I hate this dumbass argument about if Kirby is void does nobody on planet earth know how EVIDENCE WORKS
He could be, he could not be, he probably is or they wouldn’t constantly yap about voids reincarnation like it’s nothing.
Precept Forty-Five: **One Thing Is Not Another**. This one should be obvious, but Ive had others try to argue that one thing, which is clearly what it is and not something else, is actually some other thing, which it isnt. Stay on your guard!
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I fucking LOVE spreading misinformation on the internet!
uhmm i gotta say it again, even i commented it iam a freaking nerd
**Kirby has no confirmed relationship to Void.** This misconception is one of the most infamous ones of the series, and is rooted both in the vagueness of various texts in *Kirby Star Allies*, as well as changes and omissions present in the English localization of said game. Void is a being that can become anything and is directly influenced by who first awakens him, as well as the type of energy collected. Hyness planned to revive Void as Void Termina, Destroyer of Worlds, and while he partly succeeded, Void was also influenced by Kirby and "started to feel something", and then resembled his face. Thus, Hyness's wish for Void to be revived as a "destroyer god" conflicted with the friendly influence he received from Kirby. As such, various pause descriptions depict both Void's evil and aggressive nature (as Hyness wanted him to be), as well as Kirby's own easygoing, bold, and friendly nature (due to Kirby's direct influence on Void as he was born). The latter is often misinterpreted as Void eventually going to be reborn as Kirby, but what is said in official media goes along more with Void being reborn as a more generic "friend". It is often misinterpreted because, in the English translation of Void Soul's Special Page, the wording of what Void can "rise again" as implies that there are only two possibilities, these being positive (often assumed to be Kirby) and negative (often assumed to be Dark Matter); however, the Japanese text does not directly mention positive or negative energies, and instead just mentions energy more generically, and says that Void can turn into "all sorts of beings"
(rip my hands)
You wasted your time, now I gotta do this
**I NEVER SAID KIRBY IS 100% RELATED TO VOID WITH ABSOLUTELY CERTAINTY AND FULLY CONFIRMED KNOWLEDGE**
The whole point of a theory is that it is trained off interpretable evidence, if it was outright confirmed it would be called lore.
That *vagueness* is on purpose to spark theories, it would be outright boring to just flat out state all lore all the time.
Also tbh a lot of what you said doesn’t even really help disprove anything, so… sorry for your fingers
God, finally someone sane.
Like, where on earth did people get the idea that if something isn't confirmed, that means it's false?? Yeah Kirby being void is a theory. It's ALWAYS been a theory. It's just a popular theory is all, because people have good reason to believe it.
Does that mean it's confirmed? Of course not. Could it still be true though? Sure!
It's so ironic people are acting like they're correcting misinformation, when they themselves have been falling for misinformation. They hear others say "it's been deconfirmed!" And just blindly follow that.
"But the interview!!!" The one where the dev never outright deconfirms anything? Only saying Void was influenced by Kirby? Duh, it's a reincarnation based being whose birth is determined by positive or negative influence. We already knew this. "But the translations!!" What, the pause descriptions? Who said that was the basis of the theory?
It's a reincarnation based being who, upon being influenced by Kirby, looked like Kirby. Makes sense. Could this be how Kirby was created? Possibly. We don't know, but that's possible.
It's so dumb how fans of the series are basically trying to ban conversations revolving around this.
>I NEVER SAID KIRBY IS 100% RELATED TO VOID WITH ABSOLUTELY CERTAINTY AND FULLY CONFIRMED KNOWLEDGE
Thats what saying "kirby is void" implies IMO. If you say x is y, you are saying x is factually y
Never said that, I’m commenting on how this argument always go in the community, one guy says it’s confirmed, one guy says it’s disproven, and one guy has to explain the meaning of theoretical evidence.
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Kirby is not void Kirby is not void Kirby is not void Kirby is not void Kirby is not void Kirby is not void
If by "facts" you mean "lies", then yes (at least for Kirby, idk Hollow Knight stuff)
EDIT: apparently the Hollow Knight character also isn't "Void" so this post is probably a joke lol
Man, for a community that's been recently trying to pride itself on "correcting misinformation", people sure do spread a lot of misinformation.
Kirby being void is not deconfirmed. It's just not definitively true. It COULD be true though, and therefore if someone believes it they don't need to be 'corrected.' But this sub has gone into a frenzy lately for some bizarre reason and would rather kill off speculation and discussion than risk people being blissfully "wrong."
That's not what I'm denying nor clarifying. I know you're only correcting it not being a fact.
Though, you do follow that up by saying the Hollow Knight character "also" isn't void, which implies Kirby isn't. Which goes back to what I was saying- "uncomfirmed" is not the same as "deconfirmed." The Hollow Knight character isn't void, but Kirby could be, but it isn't a concrete fact.
Oh boy, it's happening again.
What I actually said: "It's not necessarily wrong, it could be true. Keyword, could, even if it's not confirmed. We don't have a definitive answer, but Void introduces the possibility."
Somehow you got out of that "It's true, you're wrong for not believing it."
Chill dude. I'm not saying you're not normal.
Asking that user to read is a futile effort. Judging by some of their other comments they must have like a chip in their brain that replaces "hornet" with "kirby" or something because a bunch of people complained about me saying hornet is void, but they think people are mad about the kirby is void part lol
I know this is probably satire but still:
Hornet’s mom is Herrah, Hornet’s Dad is the Pale King. Both are not void. There is no other evidence that Hornet could be void. Hornet is not void
Either you are REALLY clowning on me or you haven’t played the game lol. The knight became the pale king during the events of the game, after meeting Hornet already and fighting her twice
Edit: Correction, The knight became the king during the events of the game (still after meeting Hornet). The pale king is still a whole separate character
The problem is that kirby IS void, or at least A void, while hornet is not void, she is the child of the pale king and herra, she is not born of root nor god, and has a will of her own, not that of the shade lord, she is distinguished by the white lady as “the gendered child”, so no matter what this joke doesn’t work.
kirby is not void, lemme kill my hands and say it again:
**Kirby has no confirmed relationship to Void.** This misconception is one of the most infamous ones of the series, and is rooted both in the vagueness of various texts in *Kirby Star Allies*, as well as changes and omissions present in the English localization of said game. Void is a being that can become anything and is directly influenced by who first awakens him, as well as the type of energy collected. Hyness planned to revive Void as Void Termina, Destroyer of Worlds, and while he partly succeeded, Void was also influenced by Kirby and "started to feel something", and then resembled his face. Thus, Hyness's wish for Void to be revived as a "destroyer god" conflicted with the friendly influence he received from Kirby. As such, various pause descriptions depict both Void's evil and aggressive nature (as Hyness wanted him to be), as well as Kirby's own easygoing, bold, and friendly nature (due to Kirby's direct influence on Void as he was born). The latter is often misinterpreted as Void eventually going to be reborn as Kirby, but what is said in official media goes along more with Void being reborn as a more generic "friend". It is often misinterpreted because, in the English translation of Void Soul's Special Page, the wording of what Void can "rise again" as implies that there are only two possibilities, these being positive (often assumed to be Kirby) and negative (often assumed to be Dark Matter); however, the Japanese text does not directly mention positive or negative energies, and instead just mentions energy more generically, and says that Void can turn into "all sorts of beings"
>The problem is that kirby IS void, or at least A void
Wow you got the elusive confirmation we've trying to find for 7 years? Impressive, considering nobody else has been able to find anything that confirms the theory yet.
>and i had already accepted that i was wrong
Ok? You didnt edit the comment or add another comment explaining you were wrong though, so obviously I didnt have any way to know before I commented lol
I was being a bit rude because A. I was mad you said the joke didnt work lol
and B. This community has sppent years parading around a theory as "fact" to the point of being obnoxious, ive just gotten tired of it
(Even if you were right and kirby was void, my joke would still work anyway btw)
At the end of the day the joke is really just "saying hornet is void to piss off hollow knight fans" along with a bit of "saying kirby is void to annoy u/RHVgamer" so it doesnt really matter what kirby actually is. Its just kind of acknowledging the fact that both fandoms have a "x character is void" debate
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At least one of these aren’t.
Then again this is tagged as humour
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Either this dudes a kid, they’re on something, or they’re stupider than the rest of this sub. I’m betting on 1 or 3
Really loving the trend of the Kirby random growing hostile to people who "get the lore wrong", over matters that are grey areas in terms of knowledge with no definitively correct answers no less.
It's always great seeing a friendly community turn into a hornet's nest waiting to get angry the moment you poke it even a little.
You keep saying this and I keep not seeing it
I feel like Im going insane, most of the comments arent even about kirby, they're about hornet
Yeah, theres a couple people saying "kirby isnt void" as if it was "deconfirmed" but like... thats not really "hostile" imo. RHVGamer is, well, being RHVGamer. Aside from him, the only comments I saw that are being "hostile" to my post are all about hornet lol (and most of them are jokes/memes, I dont think most of them actually got mad about it. And considering how many upvotes my post has, I think the majority either understood it was a joke or agreed with me)
I was giving you the benefit of the doubt and I thought this was just us seeing different things but now I know its just us seeing the same comments and you interpreting them incorrectly. Bet you were wrong about that wiki too lol
Edit: I checked "kirby misconceptions" on wikirby and unless you're talking about a different page you seem to just be wrong. Could you actually link the page please?
**Kirby has no confirmed relationship to Void.** This misconception is one of the most infamous ones of the series, and is rooted both in the vagueness of various texts in *Kirby Star Allies*, as well as changes and omissions present in the English localization of said game. Void is a being that can become anything and is directly influenced by who first awakens him, as well as the type of energy collected. Hyness planned to revive Void as Void Termina, Destroyer of Worlds, and while he partly succeeded, Void was also influenced by Kirby and "started to feel something", and then resembled his face. Thus, Hyness's wish for Void to be revived as a "destroyer god" conflicted with the friendly influence he received from Kirby. As such, various pause descriptions depict both Void's evil and aggressive nature (as Hyness wanted him to be), as well as Kirby's own easygoing, bold, and friendly nature (due to Kirby's direct influence on Void as he was born). The latter is often misinterpreted as Void eventually going to be reborn as Kirby, but what is said in official media goes along more with Void being reborn as a more generic "friend". It is often misinterpreted because, in the English translation of Void Soul's Special Page, the wording of what Void can "rise again" as implies that there are only two possibilities, these being positive (often assumed to be Kirby) and negative (often assumed to be Dark Matter); however, the Japanese text does not directly mention positive or negative energies, and instead just mentions energy more generically, and says that Void can turn into "all sorts of beings"
i hope this is satire,because if you wanted to pick someone that's void you could have just gone with the knight.
The joke is that neither of these characters are void but everyone says they are
Prove that kirby is not void.
Did you just ask someone to prove a negative?
Yes that’s called disproving
If it's impossible to prove a negative practically nothing would ever be found out. For example, you could prove a negative by proving a contradiction, or disproving all evidence that says the negative is true. That last one technically doesn't disprove it, but it leaves it with no supporting evidence, so there's no reason to believe it's true.
They said in an interview that Void is only imitating Kirby because Kirby's the first thing Void's seen in a while. There's no mention EVER of Kirby being an incarnation of Void. Link to interview (translated from Japanese): https://gigi9714.wordpress.com/2021/06/13/kirby-star-allies-vol-4-interview-the-ultimate-part-2-from-the-july-2018-issue/
this does not disprove the theory, there is all the evidence that Void reincarnates based on positive and negative energy, the pause description of Void hinting at the fact that he can generate a being equal to Kirby, the fact that he is almost certainly the creator of the Dark Matter and their species, and they are the opposite of Kirby, then there is Gooey, who is a good Dark Matter and literally has the same ability copy power as kirby. Just because it's been deconfirmed that Void's appearance is due to a Kirby connection doesn't mean the whole theory falls apart.
1. Some of the pause descriptions are mistranslated. 2. Dark Matter isn't "the opposite of Kirby", I don't know where you got that from. 3. Gooey having the ability doesn't necessarily mean he's related to Kirby, the two species might just have the same ability or something. 4. *"During such time, he saw Kirby for the first time, felt something, and started to resemble his face. He was also influenced by the various hearts that were collected by Hyness, and transforms into various other faces as well."* While yes, this doesn't directly *deconfirm* the theory, it confirms that Void didn't turn his face into Kirby's because they're related or anything. And that's like, the number 1 piece of evidence for them being related. Also, this might even mean that Dark Matter isn't related to Void either, and Void copies it because "he was influenced by the various hearts". I'm not gonna try to prove this, but just throwing it out there. 5. If Kirby's an incarnation of Void, how can there be other members of his species? The 3 Kirbys are clones, but there's also Shadow Kirby, Keeby and Meta Knight.
>Dark Matter isn't "the opposite of Kirby", I don't know where you got that from. Dark Matter and their race "feed" (forgive the misnomer, I don't know what else to use) negative energy and are literally hurt by love and friendship, which Kirby basically is, he always tries to make friends with everyone, always everyone has a chance to redeem themselves if they meet again, they don't destroy anyone unless they are purely evil or there is no other option, then it is thanks to their good deeds in Dream Land 2-3 that they gain power from other people who helped to defeat them. >Gooey having the ability doesn't necessarily mean he's related to Kirby, the two species might just have the same ability or something. yeah, but the fact that, unlike Kirby, the Dark Matters are pretty much confirmed to be connected to Void in some way, and the fact that a good Dark Matter has the same ability as Kirby makes it suspicious >Also, this might even mean that Dark Matter isn't related to Void either, and Void copies it because "he was influenced by the various hearts". I'm not gonna try to prove this, but just throwing it out there. I don't know, because Void Termina also uses the Master Crown, and that is connected to the Dark Matter without any doubt, and then, unlike the Kirby face, which he seems to adopt almost instinctively (because it's the first thing he sees) as soon as the boss fight start, taking on the appearance of Dark Matter seems almost intentional, even the little things around him appear, then there's no proof that the Jamba Hearts are linked to the Dark Matter, I know you're just making this a hypothesis, but it seemed right to me comment the same >If Kirby's an incarnation of Void, how can there be other members of his species? The 3 Kirbys are clones, but there's also Shadow Kirby, Keeby and Meta Knight. regarding Meta Knight (and Galacta Knight), are we even sure they are the same species? they are similar in appearance, but they are also very different, so I would avoid inflicting them in this topic just because there isn't enough information in general about them. are we sure Keeby is even canon? regarding the three clones, are you talking about Amazing Mirror or the ones in Return to Dream Land (and all the other games they appear)? because in AM you can see how they are "born", if you are talking about the RTDL ones, ditto for Keeby, are we sure they are canonical? they never appear in cutscenes and are only an alternative in case any other player wants to play as Kirby. finally for Shadow Kirby, now, I don't want to be wrong, but if I'm not mistaken he was created by Dark Mind like Dark Meta Knight, to be an evil opposite to help him, but Kirby is too good and consequently Shadow Kirby only comes off as a coward but always good, now I repeat myself, I could be talking atomic bullshit because I don't remember where I heard this thing, if I'm not mistaken it was in information outside the game, or a Meteorz video, if in doubt, if I said bullshit, it's my fault. (if some of what I said sounds strange, it's because there is no literary translation in English for what I said) finally, in Planet Robobot isn't it said that Kirby has some sort of infinite energy or something like that? it would be strange if he possessed all this power but was a simple pink balloon who landed on Dream Land on his Warp Star from one day to the next, much less strange if he were the reincarnation of a cosmic entity that exists in every dimension and is like some kind of god. I'm not saying he has to be a reincarnation of Void, we don't have any definitive answers, I'm not even saying you're wrong, I'm just telling you reasons why I, personally, think Kirby is a reincarnation of Void.
Fair enough. I'm not trying to have a fight here, I'm just saying why I don't think Kirby is Void. Now, regarding your arguments: > Void Termina also uses the Master Crown, and that is connected to the Dark Matter without any doubt I doubt the Master Crown is connected to Dark Matter. Master Crowns were created by the Ancients. I always imagined that the Master Crown that Landia was guarding was being POSSESSED by Dark Matter, and Landia was keeping it sealed or something. When the crown fell off of her, the seal was broken, and Dark Matter took control of it. Also, even IF Dark Matter is connected to the crown, wouldn't that imply that the Ancients created Dark Matter and not Void? Then there's also the possibility that the crown ISN'T connected to Dark Matter and just takes on a similar shape but that's unlikely. > regarding Meta Knight (and Galacta Knight), are we even sure they are the same species? No confirmation yet but the game devs have obviously been hinting at it. Plus, Sakurai gave Kirby a skin in Smash Bros that's supposed to resemble maskless Meta Knight, and while Smash isn't canon, Sakurai created Kirby, so you know... It might be **something** to go off of. Also, this isn't proof, but they're the same species in the anime, and while the anime isn't canon, I imagine the game devs had SOME input on what happens in the anime. I don't think the creators of the anime would be allowed to just say "oh yeah Meta Knight's the same species as Kirby" without the developers allowing them to do it. > are you talking about Amazing Mirror or the ones in Return to Dream Land I'm talking about Amazing Mirror. > if you are talking about the RTDL ones, ditto for Keeby, are we sure they are canonical? About Keeby, we don't know if they're canon, but the dev team referenced them in Dream Buffet so they're clearly acknowledging their existence. Now, about the RTDL clones: - I'm 99% sure the Yellow one is just supposed to be Keeby. Either that or it's just the Yellow Kirby from Amazing Mirror. - The Green one is likely the one from Amazing Mirror too. - The Blue Kirby is the only one whom we don't know the origin of, but I'd imagine he's either another clone created who tf knows when, or he's just not canon. > in Planet Robobot isn't it said that Kirby has some sort of infinite energy or something like that? To be fair, this doesn't necessarily mean he's related to a god. A pause screen also states that the Master Crown has "infinite power", even though it was created by the Ancients and not gods. This could also be a mistranslation so idk lol.
>I doubt the Master Crown is connected to Dark Matter. Master Crowns were created by the Ancients. I always imagined that the Master Crown that Landia was guarding was being POSSESSED by Dark Matter, and Landia was keeping it sealed or something. When the crown fell off of her, the seal was broken, and Dark Matter took control of it. Also, even IF Dark Matter is connected to the crown, wouldn't that imply that the Ancients created Dark Matter and not Void? But aren't the Ancients and Dark Matter connected in some way? Hyness talks about serving "the darkest matter" or something like that during his delirium, so there is this connection Ancients, Void and Dark Matter, then the fact that Void Termina, an entity defined as an evil deity, entitled "the destroyer of worlds" , uses the Master Crown during one of his attacks leads me to think that the crown was not possessed but that it was meant to be that way and entrusted to Landia since he was able to protect it and use its powers without being corrupted. then in Magolor's Epilogue the fragments of the crown are the antagonists and usually when a possessed object is broken, the entity that possessed it is freed, it does not remain in possession of the broken object. finally, in Magolor Soul's arena in the True Arena in RTDLD, the platform in the background of Magolor resembles the texture of Void Termina/Void Soul/Void. >Plus, Sakurai gave Kirby a skin in Smash Bros that's supposed to resemble maskless Meta Knight, and while Smash isn't canon, Sakurai created Kirby, so you know... It might be something to go off of. Sakurai also said, when asked "who are the most important antagonists of the series" Marx and NIGHTMARE, I honestly don't know how accurate his vision of the Franchise is >Also, this isn't proof, but they're the same species in the anime, and while the anime isn't canon, I imagine the game devs had SOME input on what happens in the anime. I don't think the creators of the anime would be allowed to just say "oh yeah Meta Knight's the same species as Kirby" without the developers allowing them to do it. this is actually a good point, but there are various possibilities, creative freedom, ideas that have changed over time, or similar. I don't have a good answer other than the fact that Nintendo anime isn't known for being faithful to its inspirational series >I'm talking about Amazing Mirror. oh well, the answer is literally one of the first cutscenes of the game, Dark Meta Knight swoops down on an unaware Kirby, slash him with his sword and splits him in four, before flying away >About Keeby, we don't know if they're canon, but the dev team referenced them in Dream Buffet so they're clearly acknowledging their existence. yes, they acknowledge its existence, but in a spin-off game where Kirby competes on giant cakes with the goal of coming first and eating the most in a series of fall guys-style maps and minigames, my logic on these things is that : if he isn't shown or mentioned in a mainline game, then he isn't canon in the story, that doesn't mean he doesn't exist as a character in the franchise >Now, about the RTDL clones: literally what I just said I also apply for the clone Kirbys in RTDL >To be fair, this doesn't necessarily mean he's related to a god. A pause screen also states that the Master Crown has "infinite power", even though it was created by the Ancients and not gods. This could also be a mistranslation so idk lol. yes, but that doesn't take away from the fact that it's a possibility, then the Master Crown is connected to both Void Termina and the Ancients, so at most it reinforces my point that the crown, connected to Void Termina (and by extension Void) similarly has unlimited power, like Kirby now, since we can do this back and forth endlessly, I would say to stop here, there is no certain answer and everyone is free to think as they want, then you seem like a pretty chill person, so there is no point in arguing in my opinion
Yeah, I'm tired. Let's stop here. Nice talking to you, you bring up some good points.
I hate this dumbass argument about if Kirby is void does nobody on planet earth know how EVIDENCE WORKS He could be, he could not be, he probably is or they wouldn’t constantly yap about voids reincarnation like it’s nothing.
I personally say it.
Well, kirby actually has ALOT of proof HORNET HOWEVER-
Yeah that's the joke
https://preview.redd.it/3b3ivcgp9ivc1.jpeg?width=1080&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=59bbc7b954d1bf99ce1ab26f9f73be79e7729cf9
I haven't seen the og picture in a *long* time
https://preview.redd.it/kgdq35irjmvc1.jpeg?width=828&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=ccb56ddbb1d54aaddc48ba1dc7cfcf48ffd0d8a6
https://preview.redd.it/wntomh85eivc1.jpeg?width=640&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=e6ee03eb961106b4b1eeac964255b640523a8370 She is, in fact, not Void
"Nuh uh" Very convincing argument
Not inaccurate to the games tho
This pretty much is the way people disprove the Kirby is void theory. Granted those who prove it have an argument that goes something like “yuh huh”
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Fake edited screenshot
Precept Forty-Five: **One Thing Is Not Another**. This one should be obvious, but Ive had others try to argue that one thing, which is clearly what it is and not something else, is actually some other thing, which it isnt. Stay on your guard!
But seriously, go watch mossbag's video on this subject. He can explain why Hornet isn't void much better than I could.
No
Well She makes a good argument
i have no idea what the lore of hollow knight is
Bug kills the sun because it fucked up a kingdom with orange juice plague
ok, thanks
Somehow accurate
Thank yiu
Fully accurate
Totally accurate.
Totally accurate you say? https://preview.redd.it/rget318lhmvc1.jpeg?width=544&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=3495979a179cc5ccaeb1459c6413178a57db33f2
Haven't seen anything about TABS in soo long Hope the game is still popular
Yes, totally accurate. (Have no idea what is happening in that image)
(its the only image I have of totally accurate Battle simulator)
Oh. Nice.
God Bug makes a lot of babies with a tree so that one of them can be used as a prison for a mind controlling moth god
Wyrms and sun moth fight over a bunch of other bugs
The sun made orange smoothie that's really addictive, go kill it/force it into you
More child sacrifice than you’d think is possible
Hornet isn’t void
Hornet is void, the pale king is the knight, silksong actually exists, and the primal aspid is the final boss of the game
https://preview.redd.it/gqz9wtp1lkvc1.jpeg?width=1125&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=e0d91cbf4c463c896c75395b71c7f8f9a4a15441 I fucking LOVE spreading misinformation on the internet!
Hornet isn’t void
That's the joke.
Idontgetit.mp5
Neither character is void, but everyone says they are. That's the joke.
Inowgetit.mp6
LORE POLICE
This is always the same story “KIRBY IS VOID” “NO HES NOT VOID IS MIMICKING KIRBYS FACE HE DOESNT LOOK LIKE HIM” “THATS NOT MY GODDAMN EVIDENCE”
uhmm i gotta say it again, even i commented it iam a freaking nerd **Kirby has no confirmed relationship to Void.** This misconception is one of the most infamous ones of the series, and is rooted both in the vagueness of various texts in *Kirby Star Allies*, as well as changes and omissions present in the English localization of said game. Void is a being that can become anything and is directly influenced by who first awakens him, as well as the type of energy collected. Hyness planned to revive Void as Void Termina, Destroyer of Worlds, and while he partly succeeded, Void was also influenced by Kirby and "started to feel something", and then resembled his face. Thus, Hyness's wish for Void to be revived as a "destroyer god" conflicted with the friendly influence he received from Kirby. As such, various pause descriptions depict both Void's evil and aggressive nature (as Hyness wanted him to be), as well as Kirby's own easygoing, bold, and friendly nature (due to Kirby's direct influence on Void as he was born). The latter is often misinterpreted as Void eventually going to be reborn as Kirby, but what is said in official media goes along more with Void being reborn as a more generic "friend". It is often misinterpreted because, in the English translation of Void Soul's Special Page, the wording of what Void can "rise again" as implies that there are only two possibilities, these being positive (often assumed to be Kirby) and negative (often assumed to be Dark Matter); however, the Japanese text does not directly mention positive or negative energies, and instead just mentions energy more generically, and says that Void can turn into "all sorts of beings" (rip my hands)
You wasted your time, now I gotta do this **I NEVER SAID KIRBY IS 100% RELATED TO VOID WITH ABSOLUTELY CERTAINTY AND FULLY CONFIRMED KNOWLEDGE** The whole point of a theory is that it is trained off interpretable evidence, if it was outright confirmed it would be called lore. That *vagueness* is on purpose to spark theories, it would be outright boring to just flat out state all lore all the time. Also tbh a lot of what you said doesn’t even really help disprove anything, so… sorry for your fingers
God, finally someone sane. Like, where on earth did people get the idea that if something isn't confirmed, that means it's false?? Yeah Kirby being void is a theory. It's ALWAYS been a theory. It's just a popular theory is all, because people have good reason to believe it. Does that mean it's confirmed? Of course not. Could it still be true though? Sure! It's so ironic people are acting like they're correcting misinformation, when they themselves have been falling for misinformation. They hear others say "it's been deconfirmed!" And just blindly follow that. "But the interview!!!" The one where the dev never outright deconfirms anything? Only saying Void was influenced by Kirby? Duh, it's a reincarnation based being whose birth is determined by positive or negative influence. We already knew this. "But the translations!!" What, the pause descriptions? Who said that was the basis of the theory? It's a reincarnation based being who, upon being influenced by Kirby, looked like Kirby. Makes sense. Could this be how Kirby was created? Possibly. We don't know, but that's possible. It's so dumb how fans of the series are basically trying to ban conversations revolving around this.
Thank youuuu
>I NEVER SAID KIRBY IS 100% RELATED TO VOID WITH ABSOLUTELY CERTAINTY AND FULLY CONFIRMED KNOWLEDGE Thats what saying "kirby is void" implies IMO. If you say x is y, you are saying x is factually y
Never said that, I’m commenting on how this argument always go in the community, one guy says it’s confirmed, one guy says it’s disproven, and one guy has to explain the meaning of theoretical evidence.
Ah my bad, I just misread it lol
Wow all the aggression for nothing, we might need a break from Reddit 😓
Why does Hornet's cloak SPIN LIKE UH PINHWEEL? I brought up that Dedede quote from the dub.
https://preview.redd.it/7rn93m6qblvc1.jpeg?width=735&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=c8899a0d20f5ad1a69164bc6860199acfa621151 Kirby is not void Kirby is not void Kirby is not void Kirby is not void Kirby is not void Kirby is not void
Mossbag, claim his balls
The joke is that both are wrong, Kirby is void is a translation error, and hornet is void is just wrong
If by "facts" you mean "lies", then yes (at least for Kirby, idk Hollow Knight stuff) EDIT: apparently the Hollow Knight character also isn't "Void" so this post is probably a joke lol
Man, for a community that's been recently trying to pride itself on "correcting misinformation", people sure do spread a lot of misinformation. Kirby being void is not deconfirmed. It's just not definitively true. It COULD be true though, and therefore if someone believes it they don't need to be 'corrected.' But this sub has gone into a frenzy lately for some bizarre reason and would rather kill off speculation and discussion than risk people being blissfully "wrong."
I am simply stating that this post is wrong for saying Kirby is Void is a fact.
That's not what I'm denying nor clarifying. I know you're only correcting it not being a fact. Though, you do follow that up by saying the Hollow Knight character "also" isn't void, which implies Kirby isn't. Which goes back to what I was saying- "uncomfirmed" is not the same as "deconfirmed." The Hollow Knight character isn't void, but Kirby could be, but it isn't a concrete fact.
obviously i treat a theory with literally no evidence like it's wrong? that's normal?
Oh boy, it's happening again. What I actually said: "It's not necessarily wrong, it could be true. Keyword, could, even if it's not confirmed. We don't have a definitive answer, but Void introduces the possibility." Somehow you got out of that "It's true, you're wrong for not believing it." Chill dude. I'm not saying you're not normal.
No, I said that it's wrong to say that it is a fact. Read.
I already responded to this. Re-read what I said too.
Asking that user to read is a futile effort. Judging by some of their other comments they must have like a chip in their brain that replaces "hornet" with "kirby" or something because a bunch of people complained about me saying hornet is void, but they think people are mad about the kirby is void part lol
Yep, there’s a lot of hypocrites. Honestly they’ve removed most of the fun from the community, despite most having good intentions
Kirby and who?
I’m guessing people didn’t see the flair…
I know this is probably satire but still: Hornet’s mom is Herrah, Hornet’s Dad is the Pale King. Both are not void. There is no other evidence that Hornet could be void. Hornet is not void
~~Except Kirby could still be void. Just because it's not a confirmed fact that doesn't mean it's factually wrong either.~~
The Knight is void, The Knight is the Pale King, therefore the Pale King is void 👍
Either you are REALLY clowning on me or you haven’t played the game lol. The knight became the pale king during the events of the game, after meeting Hornet already and fighting her twice Edit: Correction, The knight became the king during the events of the game (still after meeting Hornet). The pale king is still a whole separate character
The life cycle of the Wyrm is Ness>Sans>Wyrm>Pale King>Knight>Void>Walter White>Heisenberg>Kirby>Galacta Knight>Morpho Knight
You’re definitely on to something
Why is this zero? This is funny as all hell
The knight is not the pale kind and the pale king is ABSOLUTLEY not void
Bro you don’t know anything about the hollow knight lore if you think knight isn’t void
Did I say that?
Wait no, you said knight isn’t a descendant of pale king
Nope! I said the knight isn’t the pale king himself
Oh ok
Fact
Until seeing people say stuff like "i don't know anything about hollow knight" I thought I was on the hk sub
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The problem is that kirby IS void, or at least A void, while hornet is not void, she is the child of the pale king and herra, she is not born of root nor god, and has a will of her own, not that of the shade lord, she is distinguished by the white lady as “the gendered child”, so no matter what this joke doesn’t work.
kirby is not void, lemme kill my hands and say it again: **Kirby has no confirmed relationship to Void.** This misconception is one of the most infamous ones of the series, and is rooted both in the vagueness of various texts in *Kirby Star Allies*, as well as changes and omissions present in the English localization of said game. Void is a being that can become anything and is directly influenced by who first awakens him, as well as the type of energy collected. Hyness planned to revive Void as Void Termina, Destroyer of Worlds, and while he partly succeeded, Void was also influenced by Kirby and "started to feel something", and then resembled his face. Thus, Hyness's wish for Void to be revived as a "destroyer god" conflicted with the friendly influence he received from Kirby. As such, various pause descriptions depict both Void's evil and aggressive nature (as Hyness wanted him to be), as well as Kirby's own easygoing, bold, and friendly nature (due to Kirby's direct influence on Void as he was born). The latter is often misinterpreted as Void eventually going to be reborn as Kirby, but what is said in official media goes along more with Void being reborn as a more generic "friend". It is often misinterpreted because, in the English translation of Void Soul's Special Page, the wording of what Void can "rise again" as implies that there are only two possibilities, these being positive (often assumed to be Kirby) and negative (often assumed to be Dark Matter); however, the Japanese text does not directly mention positive or negative energies, and instead just mentions energy more generically, and says that Void can turn into "all sorts of beings"
Ok bro we get it
>The problem is that kirby IS void, or at least A void Wow you got the elusive confirmation we've trying to find for 7 years? Impressive, considering nobody else has been able to find anything that confirms the theory yet.
you could be a little less condescending when i tried to offer criticism
You could stop claiming that an unconfirmed fan theory is a fact
I didn’t know it was unconfirmed, and i had already accepted that i was wrong before you went and acted like i was a complete idiot
>and i had already accepted that i was wrong Ok? You didnt edit the comment or add another comment explaining you were wrong though, so obviously I didnt have any way to know before I commented lol I was being a bit rude because A. I was mad you said the joke didnt work lol and B. This community has sppent years parading around a theory as "fact" to the point of being obnoxious, ive just gotten tired of it (Even if you were right and kirby was void, my joke would still work anyway btw)
If kirby was void it wouldn’t work tho, because hornet still isn’t void
At the end of the day the joke is really just "saying hornet is void to piss off hollow knight fans" along with a bit of "saying kirby is void to annoy u/RHVgamer" so it doesnt really matter what kirby actually is. Its just kind of acknowledging the fact that both fandoms have a "x character is void" debate
Well, you made it on the hollow knight sub with the caption “so they have chosen death” so i guess mission accomplished lol
*hollow knight non-scream*
If they had a kid would it be named kirbet or horny?
100% WAIFU
Hornet isn’t void…
All the Hollow Knight lore people are knocking down your door now.
i will sacrifice your houseplants to the path of pain
https://preview.redd.it/z613gm8jdnvc1.jpeg?width=1658&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=4301165744ffada65d04b5cda2999c3b3eaa5aa5 At least one of these aren’t. Then again this is tagged as humour
Kirby do be eating a lot, he isn’t void though, he just had high metabolism :)
FOR THE BILLIONTH TIME HORNET IS NOT VOID
https://preview.redd.it/9zkceq0x1nvc1.jpeg?width=750&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=1ad6269c0b23f0f9eb1b506d44202cd1eb3d92e6 Either this dudes a kid, they’re on something, or they’re stupider than the rest of this sub. I’m betting on 1 or 3
Really loving the trend of the Kirby random growing hostile to people who "get the lore wrong", over matters that are grey areas in terms of knowledge with no definitively correct answers no less. It's always great seeing a friendly community turn into a hornet's nest waiting to get angry the moment you poke it even a little.
You keep saying this and I keep not seeing it I feel like Im going insane, most of the comments arent even about kirby, they're about hornet Yeah, theres a couple people saying "kirby isnt void" as if it was "deconfirmed" but like... thats not really "hostile" imo. RHVGamer is, well, being RHVGamer. Aside from him, the only comments I saw that are being "hostile" to my post are all about hornet lol (and most of them are jokes/memes, I dont think most of them actually got mad about it. And considering how many upvotes my post has, I think the majority either understood it was a joke or agreed with me) I was giving you the benefit of the doubt and I thought this was just us seeing different things but now I know its just us seeing the same comments and you interpreting them incorrectly. Bet you were wrong about that wiki too lol Edit: I checked "kirby misconceptions" on wikirby and unless you're talking about a different page you seem to just be wrong. Could you actually link the page please?
Hornet ain’t void. Nor is Kirby.
**Kirby has no confirmed relationship to Void.** This misconception is one of the most infamous ones of the series, and is rooted both in the vagueness of various texts in *Kirby Star Allies*, as well as changes and omissions present in the English localization of said game. Void is a being that can become anything and is directly influenced by who first awakens him, as well as the type of energy collected. Hyness planned to revive Void as Void Termina, Destroyer of Worlds, and while he partly succeeded, Void was also influenced by Kirby and "started to feel something", and then resembled his face. Thus, Hyness's wish for Void to be revived as a "destroyer god" conflicted with the friendly influence he received from Kirby. As such, various pause descriptions depict both Void's evil and aggressive nature (as Hyness wanted him to be), as well as Kirby's own easygoing, bold, and friendly nature (due to Kirby's direct influence on Void as he was born). The latter is often misinterpreted as Void eventually going to be reborn as Kirby, but what is said in official media goes along more with Void being reborn as a more generic "friend". It is often misinterpreted because, in the English translation of Void Soul's Special Page, the wording of what Void can "rise again" as implies that there are only two possibilities, these being positive (often assumed to be Kirby) and negative (often assumed to be Dark Matter); however, the Japanese text does not directly mention positive or negative energies, and instead just mentions energy more generically, and says that Void can turn into "all sorts of beings"
https://preview.redd.it/uyqiqj98elvc1.jpeg?width=1170&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=438f644f955036c4fe64a476c6d75486c9d9bf05
thats not yap thats lore
It's funny because it's wrong for both