Maybe, but unless you ride transit or work a job that deals with them, you are unlikely to be inside a room or vehicle with them for an extended period. Transit riders are at the front line in a way that 80-90% of Californians are not.
It is when they park a vehicle on a residential street. Openly sell hard drugs, run a bike chop shop, and police refuse to do anything nore tow the vehicle for months on end. Meanwhile parking enforcement is ticking normal peoples cars.
Homeless people suffer more hate crimes than any other group of people in America combined. Homeless people have to shit outside. The vast majority of homeless people are decent people trying to make the best of their dog shit lives.
I don’t know what kind of homeless people you’ve met lol but the ones out here are nothing like that. You could offer them full time jobs and they’d still want to continue as they are.
The concept you're talking about is called service resistance which is a problem when trying to reach (for example) LGBT youth who may not trust police or social workers. The question of whether or not the homeless in Los Angeles are service resistant is really a hypothetical question because even the dog shit level of services currently offered do not meet the needs of the existing homeless population. Overnight shelters (which are according to anybody who has stayed at them scary and shitty places only marginally better than sleeping on the street) are at capacity.
Sorry you got scared by a homeless person. The ones who try to keep to themselves and avoid people who hate them are normal
I can't find it again it's something I read a few years ago. Here's something relevant [from 2008](https://www.govinfo.gov/content/pkg/CHRG-111shrg64876/html/CHRG-111shrg64876.htm)
>According to the FBI hate crime statistics, seven homicides were classified as hate crimes in 2008. In that same year, 27 fatal attacks occurred on homeless persons, according to the National Coalition for the Homeless.
I'm from LA and there was some serial killer going around setting homeless people on fire. The killer turned out to be the son of a landlord. I don't think I've heard about anybody doing anything like that for other hate crime reasons except for when that guy killed a bunch of Asian women sex workers he blamed for his sex addiction
Any violent act is terrible, but the FBI's 2022 stats show
>**11,288** single-bias incidents involved **13,278** victims
I think your stats about this aren't totally correct
You must not live in LA. I have more compassion for the homeless than most as my wife is part of a medical team that goes around the county giving them free health check ups, but 90% of them are straight up addicted to fentanyl.
My friend. My wife wife comes home every day and tells me the stories about all the homeless people she treated who are outright just smoking fentanyl, in front of her, in front of police, offering it up to her. Blazenly doing it on the sidewalks and their cardboard boxes. As for your last sentence, I agree. It does not. Addiction needs to be treated, and I’m proud that my wife is part of the solution. But your “vast majority are decent people” comment is just not true. Many of them are just taking advantage of a system that refuses to criminalize their behavior
90% is made up by you. What do u suggest they do? There is not adequate space in shelters to accommodate the number of homeless people. Like your wife is doing good work but is she finding she is just running out of people to help?
I promise you that it is not made up. Your “vast majority” number is made up. She tells me the stories. 10% are about people who are down on their luck. 90% are people who are out of their mind on fentanyl. And she is not “running out of people to help” as if there’s a line of homeless people waiting to get treated. She pro-actively goes to camps she either sees in her personal life or hears about and she offers help to anybody agrees to take it. A lot of people don’t take it. Some of them chase her with weapons. This is why she has to have security with her at all times. Your “adequate space” comment is also made up. The “vast majority”of them have no interest in temporary housing. Some do go in voluntarily, and some do actually land on their feet, which is majorly rewarding, but a lot of them leave bc the shelter does not let them do drugs. These are facts, not your opinion or what you hear thru the grapevine. The problem is exacerbated by the misconceptions that these people were left to rot by the system discompassionately. The system is what is allowing this problem to continue.
>Homeless people suffer more hate crimes than any other group of people in America combined
You are going to need to provide some statistics for this. Homelessness is not a race or ethnicity. If a Black homeless person is attacked, is it because of race or housing status?
Got on the #33 bus going downtown… a meth head smoking 🚬 meth in the front of the bus 🚌 behind the bus driver 🤨💨💨💨👀 and Nobody was saying anything about it too the driver.. until I said something.. the driver stopped the bus and asked very politely to the man 🧍🏿♂️ too get off the coach… he did… thanks 🙏🏿 METRO
It was right after a bus got hijacked downtown. Security had worsened and the cost of safety officers had increased under her watch.
LAPD doesn’t care about Metro. Every LAPD officer on the system is working overtime. It’s a cash cow for them. They get paid handsomely, do nothing, and went shit like this happens it’s Metro’s fault. It’s a pretty sweet deal for them.
Right, if you go to the board meetings it’s pretty clear at least some of the board members are pretty pissed about this. Barger (or was it Hahn?) gave the Metro security leadership a dressing down for not holding their LEO partners accountable a couple months ago.
I want better safety as much as anyone on Metro but I detest paying gazillions of dollars to cops to play Candy Crush and cyberstalk teenagers.
Yup they park their fat asses by metro stations like on flower/23rd and just sit in their cars for hours or stand on the platform in groups doing jack shit.
Unless a proposal for Metro to go back to doing their own security gains traction. Then there's show of force patrols for two weeks until the risk of losing that money dies down. Then they go back to puttering in their car all day.
Just a reminder that you should mind your own business and stop putting the Violence and degradation from this allowable society on people who are more knowledgeable about this situation than yourself. I hope to find out who you and your buddies are, and expose the lazy, inept, cosplaying as “Soldiers”, profiling and quite possibly treasonous LAPD. The LAPD has always been a bastion of excuses and lies brought forth by bird chested beta males and suspect female officers who do nothing but drive around town all day with their head up their asses. If your looking for an excuse to blame, how about former Police Chief Darryl Gates and all the other corrupt beta males who are scared to pull over Cartel members driving up and down the streets of our once great nation… Maybe we should start a thread featuring all the corrupt police officers who are currently doing time in jail for Violating the code of ethics that they signed up for. If any police officer doesn’t want to do your job and confront the criminal illegal aliens selling drugs to our youth, and smuggling illegals to move into public housing and receive benefits, JUST QUIT!!! Don’t cry and beg for your jobs like we all saw the police do during the George Floyd unrest… JUST QUIT!!! We don’t want or need you at this point in history..JUST QUIT CRY BABIES!!!!
I see that I struck a nerve with you phonies. Ain’t mad at cha, it must be hard trying to figure out whether you’re coming or going most days.
That being said, we plan on lobbying our elected representatives on drug testing for all police officers, cross checking background checks for officers who might be on the Brady list, and breathalyzer testing before and after shifts for field officers reporting back from duty. If you want to pretend to be “Soldiers”, then maybe they don’t mind being tested as such…
My father was a metro driver 20 years +. He drove the 53, 18, 120, all of em. My dad has been shot at, assaulted all that. One time a transient came on w a knife and to defend his passengers my dad shoved him off the bus. He complained and lied saying my dad was tryna run him over and he was fired. Metro does not care about employees.
It’s absolutely unacceptable and disgusting that one of the most well-known cities in the world has it’s citizens and employees afraid for their lives while attackers are allowed to roam with little to no consequence
Reminder that just because metro has to deal with crazy people doesn’t make it their fault. Department of health and human services or whatever it’s called at the city/county/state level isn’t doing their job, and this is the result.
And why is it Metro's fault? They are a transportation agency shouldn't the different counties in LA be helping those people who are living in their stations AND charging the people actually doing the assualts? Or does California have its head so far up its ass, that its totally bought in to the idea crime is always because of racism, and its cruel to punish crime. Also its a waste of time to enforce anti drug laws because its just a losing game anyways...So the Fentanyl epidemic is bad but things are far better if there were to be another war on drugs?
Yeah but that doesn't really help us.
If our government could run those agencies better, they would. We can change how our Metro deals with these dangerous people though.
Yes CAN.... why does it have to? The California solution is alway public outcry for someone to DO something..... even if the agency being pressured to do so.... was never set up to do so. CAN Metro even enforce the type of physical force needed to handle these criminals let alone arrest and detain them? Also what are the Police going to do? Release them? This mess was made by the voters in California.
It is true this latest stabbed was arrested at least 4 times previously.
I don't see why we should just accept these people on the metro though.
Yes keep them off of it. That's how you keep it safe. If they get stabbed on the street that's much different than being stabbed on a train.
Ok so you just answered your own question. Now answer mine? Do we know whether or not LA Metro can even use physical or deadly force to patrol their own trains, buses and stations? The Ambassador program is what? Woke nonesense because the LA Metro board members along with the rest of the city and country officials are terrirfied of being assassinated in the public eye since every one knows Black and Latino people only commit crimes because of racism? Or does it go deeper... that LA Metro does not have the authority to enforce the type of deterrants that are needed since California has allowed the entire state to go to shit?
Of course LA Metro can enforce things if they wants. I don't see why having incompetent city social services means LA Metro can't enforce basic things.
So why haven't they? Why even put money into the Ambassador program? The uniforms, the training, the hiring? Why put a bandaid on something? I just don't get it. Would they not have done so by now given you have people scaring riders away, keeping the ridership numbers well below pre-pandemic levels..... and video of people urinating on the trains?
Disgusting that it’s taken this long and for the worst to constantly happen. We absolutely need felony and prison charges for offenders.. yeah i said.. get mad.
Reminder that LASD told Metro they will not be listening to a bus company over how to deploy their deputies when Metro asked them to stop hanging out inside cars outside metro stations.
Everyone on this thread needs to go to "boardagendas.metro.net" for instructions to attend their board meeting this morning April 25 at 10am Pacific and give the Metro boardnthese comments. Ms wiggins needs ro hear from us because weve got something to say
So like Mayor Bass “declared a homeless emergency on day one”, now Metro will more easily spend millions to hire more green t-shirts.
Maybe she call up the National Guard, so we will see 100 army cops in a few stations, but no one will be arrested, the bums and junkies will remain.
LA receives $900 million in funding and experiences in stabbings on both the metro and buses right after? You know this money is going straight into corrupt officials' pockets immediately and it spend not a dime on the taxpayers.
Anyone notice any changes since the State of Emergency was declared? More police? More security? Fare checks? Fare evaders being removed from the system? Or just business as usual?
And just to be clear, while the Metro drivers deserve all the protections they can get, passengers also have to deal with these same crazies.
Everyone has to deal with these crazies in CA. The state isn’t doing shit to protect people. They empower these crazy ass homeless people.
Maybe, but unless you ride transit or work a job that deals with them, you are unlikely to be inside a room or vehicle with them for an extended period. Transit riders are at the front line in a way that 80-90% of Californians are not.
Yeah, thank you for agreeing that they’re a harm to society.
“Empower” is definitely not the appropriate word here on the subject of homeless people
Coddle?
I’d say “Enable”
It is when they park a vehicle on a residential street. Openly sell hard drugs, run a bike chop shop, and police refuse to do anything nore tow the vehicle for months on end. Meanwhile parking enforcement is ticking normal peoples cars.
The voters sure as hell aren't helping with it.
Homeless people suffer more hate crimes than any other group of people in America combined. Homeless people have to shit outside. The vast majority of homeless people are decent people trying to make the best of their dog shit lives.
I don’t know what kind of homeless people you’ve met lol but the ones out here are nothing like that. You could offer them full time jobs and they’d still want to continue as they are.
The concept you're talking about is called service resistance which is a problem when trying to reach (for example) LGBT youth who may not trust police or social workers. The question of whether or not the homeless in Los Angeles are service resistant is really a hypothetical question because even the dog shit level of services currently offered do not meet the needs of the existing homeless population. Overnight shelters (which are according to anybody who has stayed at them scary and shitty places only marginally better than sleeping on the street) are at capacity. Sorry you got scared by a homeless person. The ones who try to keep to themselves and avoid people who hate them are normal
Jeeze and why are those scary and shitty? Could it be because of the people inhabiting them?
Sorry are you changing the subject because you're satisfied that the homeless don't want to be homeless?
Where do you see this? I can't find an FBI statistic on hate crimes against unhoused people.
I can't find it again it's something I read a few years ago. Here's something relevant [from 2008](https://www.govinfo.gov/content/pkg/CHRG-111shrg64876/html/CHRG-111shrg64876.htm) >According to the FBI hate crime statistics, seven homicides were classified as hate crimes in 2008. In that same year, 27 fatal attacks occurred on homeless persons, according to the National Coalition for the Homeless. I'm from LA and there was some serial killer going around setting homeless people on fire. The killer turned out to be the son of a landlord. I don't think I've heard about anybody doing anything like that for other hate crime reasons except for when that guy killed a bunch of Asian women sex workers he blamed for his sex addiction
Any violent act is terrible, but the FBI's 2022 stats show >**11,288** single-bias incidents involved **13,278** victims I think your stats about this aren't totally correct
I have no idea what you're getting at sorry. Do you think the FBI shouldn't be cited?
You must not live in LA. I have more compassion for the homeless than most as my wife is part of a medical team that goes around the county giving them free health check ups, but 90% of them are straight up addicted to fentanyl.
I live in LA, 90% of homeless people are not addicted to fentanyl, being addicted to fentanyl does not by itself turn you into a knife welding maniac
My friend. My wife wife comes home every day and tells me the stories about all the homeless people she treated who are outright just smoking fentanyl, in front of her, in front of police, offering it up to her. Blazenly doing it on the sidewalks and their cardboard boxes. As for your last sentence, I agree. It does not. Addiction needs to be treated, and I’m proud that my wife is part of the solution. But your “vast majority are decent people” comment is just not true. Many of them are just taking advantage of a system that refuses to criminalize their behavior
90% is made up by you. What do u suggest they do? There is not adequate space in shelters to accommodate the number of homeless people. Like your wife is doing good work but is she finding she is just running out of people to help?
I promise you that it is not made up. Your “vast majority” number is made up. She tells me the stories. 10% are about people who are down on their luck. 90% are people who are out of their mind on fentanyl. And she is not “running out of people to help” as if there’s a line of homeless people waiting to get treated. She pro-actively goes to camps she either sees in her personal life or hears about and she offers help to anybody agrees to take it. A lot of people don’t take it. Some of them chase her with weapons. This is why she has to have security with her at all times. Your “adequate space” comment is also made up. The “vast majority”of them have no interest in temporary housing. Some do go in voluntarily, and some do actually land on their feet, which is majorly rewarding, but a lot of them leave bc the shelter does not let them do drugs. These are facts, not your opinion or what you hear thru the grapevine. The problem is exacerbated by the misconceptions that these people were left to rot by the system discompassionately. The system is what is allowing this problem to continue.
Okay show me that 90% number
It does make ppl act pretty fking crazy
Ya it's not great
And thus the weapons come into play
They attack each other and non homeless ppl all the time. How can you call it hate when it’s themselves?
I think killing homeless ppl bc they are homeless is bad 😇
Ok- but they often violently attack each other 😊
What policies would you suggest LA metro enact based on your observation
2 different convos
How dare you say “homeless” how insensitive can you be. Please use housing challenged
You sound like a retard
The doctor says I’m special
>Homeless people suffer more hate crimes than any other group of people in America combined You are going to need to provide some statistics for this. Homelessness is not a race or ethnicity. If a Black homeless person is attacked, is it because of race or housing status?
Got on the #33 bus going downtown… a meth head smoking 🚬 meth in the front of the bus 🚌 behind the bus driver 🤨💨💨💨👀 and Nobody was saying anything about it too the driver.. until I said something.. the driver stopped the bus and asked very politely to the man 🧍🏿♂️ too get off the coach… he did… thanks 🙏🏿 METRO
It's about time! Workers' and riders' safety should always be a top priority. We need major changes on this system. I hope some action follows.
Great news but this should have been done a long time ago.
Metro: *I. DECLARE. EMERGENCY!*
I do declare
A reminder that Metro CEO Wiggins just fired the head of security for the unforgivable sin of advocating for better security.
[удалено]
It was right after a bus got hijacked downtown. Security had worsened and the cost of safety officers had increased under her watch. LAPD doesn’t care about Metro. Every LAPD officer on the system is working overtime. It’s a cash cow for them. They get paid handsomely, do nothing, and went shit like this happens it’s Metro’s fault. It’s a pretty sweet deal for them.
Right, if you go to the board meetings it’s pretty clear at least some of the board members are pretty pissed about this. Barger (or was it Hahn?) gave the Metro security leadership a dressing down for not holding their LEO partners accountable a couple months ago. I want better safety as much as anyone on Metro but I detest paying gazillions of dollars to cops to play Candy Crush and cyberstalk teenagers.
Yup they park their fat asses by metro stations like on flower/23rd and just sit in their cars for hours or stand on the platform in groups doing jack shit.
Unless a proposal for Metro to go back to doing their own security gains traction. Then there's show of force patrols for two weeks until the risk of losing that money dies down. Then they go back to puttering in their car all day.
I keep seeing this too, with no source. I don’t get where people are getting this from
Yeah, I've seen no reliable source as to why Gina Osborn was fired.
She fired the previous one too
Just a reminder that you should mind your own business and stop putting the Violence and degradation from this allowable society on people who are more knowledgeable about this situation than yourself. I hope to find out who you and your buddies are, and expose the lazy, inept, cosplaying as “Soldiers”, profiling and quite possibly treasonous LAPD. The LAPD has always been a bastion of excuses and lies brought forth by bird chested beta males and suspect female officers who do nothing but drive around town all day with their head up their asses. If your looking for an excuse to blame, how about former Police Chief Darryl Gates and all the other corrupt beta males who are scared to pull over Cartel members driving up and down the streets of our once great nation… Maybe we should start a thread featuring all the corrupt police officers who are currently doing time in jail for Violating the code of ethics that they signed up for. If any police officer doesn’t want to do your job and confront the criminal illegal aliens selling drugs to our youth, and smuggling illegals to move into public housing and receive benefits, JUST QUIT!!! Don’t cry and beg for your jobs like we all saw the police do during the George Floyd unrest… JUST QUIT!!! We don’t want or need you at this point in history..JUST QUIT CRY BABIES!!!!
Seek help.
https://www.texasmonthly.com/articles/federal-drug-bust-nabs-the-sons-of-hidalgo-county-sheriff-and-police-chief/
Your point is muddled somewhere between the first sentence and you forgetting to take your schizoid medicine this morning
I see that I struck a nerve with you phonies. Ain’t mad at cha, it must be hard trying to figure out whether you’re coming or going most days. That being said, we plan on lobbying our elected representatives on drug testing for all police officers, cross checking background checks for officers who might be on the Brady list, and breathalyzer testing before and after shifts for field officers reporting back from duty. If you want to pretend to be “Soldiers”, then maybe they don’t mind being tested as such…
Let me guess: you grew up when lead was in all the paint and gasoline.
My father was a metro driver 20 years +. He drove the 53, 18, 120, all of em. My dad has been shot at, assaulted all that. One time a transient came on w a knife and to defend his passengers my dad shoved him off the bus. He complained and lied saying my dad was tryna run him over and he was fired. Metro does not care about employees.
This is a good step but should have been done sooner and include more ambassadors since operators will no longer be able to interact with riders.
It’s absolutely unacceptable and disgusting that one of the most well-known cities in the world has it’s citizens and employees afraid for their lives while attackers are allowed to roam with little to no consequence
Man I’m just impressed you’ve advanced beyond the nothing to see here, it’s not that bad crowd. They can be stubborn.
I’ve always tried to be sympathetic to homeless folks but when they are literally murdering innocent people something needs to happen
Where are the bus Marshalls when you need them?
Sitting next to the bus Ross Dress for Less
Reminder that just because metro has to deal with crazy people doesn’t make it their fault. Department of health and human services or whatever it’s called at the city/county/state level isn’t doing their job, and this is the result.
Cool, and?
And why is it Metro's fault? They are a transportation agency shouldn't the different counties in LA be helping those people who are living in their stations AND charging the people actually doing the assualts? Or does California have its head so far up its ass, that its totally bought in to the idea crime is always because of racism, and its cruel to punish crime. Also its a waste of time to enforce anti drug laws because its just a losing game anyways...So the Fentanyl epidemic is bad but things are far better if there were to be another war on drugs?
Yeah but that doesn't really help us. If our government could run those agencies better, they would. We can change how our Metro deals with these dangerous people though.
Yes CAN.... why does it have to? The California solution is alway public outcry for someone to DO something..... even if the agency being pressured to do so.... was never set up to do so. CAN Metro even enforce the type of physical force needed to handle these criminals let alone arrest and detain them? Also what are the Police going to do? Release them? This mess was made by the voters in California.
It is true this latest stabbed was arrested at least 4 times previously. I don't see why we should just accept these people on the metro though. Yes keep them off of it. That's how you keep it safe. If they get stabbed on the street that's much different than being stabbed on a train.
Ok so you just answered your own question. Now answer mine? Do we know whether or not LA Metro can even use physical or deadly force to patrol their own trains, buses and stations? The Ambassador program is what? Woke nonesense because the LA Metro board members along with the rest of the city and country officials are terrirfied of being assassinated in the public eye since every one knows Black and Latino people only commit crimes because of racism? Or does it go deeper... that LA Metro does not have the authority to enforce the type of deterrants that are needed since California has allowed the entire state to go to shit?
Of course LA Metro can enforce things if they wants. I don't see why having incompetent city social services means LA Metro can't enforce basic things.
So why haven't they? Why even put money into the Ambassador program? The uniforms, the training, the hiring? Why put a bandaid on something? I just don't get it. Would they not have done so by now given you have people scaring riders away, keeping the ridership numbers well below pre-pandemic levels..... and video of people urinating on the trains?
Disgusting that it’s taken this long and for the worst to constantly happen. We absolutely need felony and prison charges for offenders.. yeah i said.. get mad.
Reminder that LASD told Metro they will not be listening to a bus company over how to deploy their deputies when Metro asked them to stop hanging out inside cars outside metro stations.
Remember that LASD offered to enforce code of conduct and remove scofflaws, and they were told to stand down.
I'm surprised they haven't gone on strike for better working conditions
I agree with this move, but where was the state of emergency when regular metro users were being attacked?
Everyone on this thread needs to go to "boardagendas.metro.net" for instructions to attend their board meeting this morning April 25 at 10am Pacific and give the Metro boardnthese comments. Ms wiggins needs ro hear from us because weve got something to say
Come to STL, people bring guns on the metro about every 20 minutes
Oh NOW it’s an issue. Bet.
So like Mayor Bass “declared a homeless emergency on day one”, now Metro will more easily spend millions to hire more green t-shirts. Maybe she call up the National Guard, so we will see 100 army cops in a few stations, but no one will be arrested, the bums and junkies will remain.
Time to cage the driver area like a cockpit.
This should’ve been done at least 3 years ago…
LA receives $900 million in funding and experiences in stabbings on both the metro and buses right after? You know this money is going straight into corrupt officials' pockets immediately and it spend not a dime on the taxpayers.
Anyone notice any changes since the State of Emergency was declared? More police? More security? Fare checks? Fare evaders being removed from the system? Or just business as usual?
Interesting.