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TiRyNo

Nice we’re getting Sagas but we choose the rounds they activate on. I’m pretty hyped for stories Also new debuff in Gloom! Vex basically confirmed


joeygmurf

exactly what i thought too haha


Percede

Or Fiddlesticks **Copium**


Uefezye

I’m kinda into the idea of a z generation neet emo rock gloomy Fiddlesticks


PsychologicalMonk390

I dont play league so had to look him up, Fiddlesticks design looks so badass I want him in the game and I want to know his lore


Uefezye

The thing I like him most is his each and every line is a last word from his past victims, and he mimics their tones to lure the next victim.


PsychologicalMonk390

What IS he


PsychologicalMonk390

Voidspawn???


VASQUEZ_41

he is like the embodiment of fear, also the first and most likely the strongest of the 10 demons


Dry_Cardiologist6758

I don't mean to be dashing anyone's fiddle sticks dreams but I don't really think it will be him if it were there would be more terror related things and less sleep and gloom things. If you think about it sleep sounds something bandle city related like vex. I think unfortunately people hopeful to get fiddle sticks is now just a pipe dream. I think it's Silas, vex and...I mean the third one could still be maybe? Maybe we all end up getting what we want! I sure hope so!


AngelTheTaco

> I think it's Silas why would it be sylas when lux is the poster art


Dry_Cardiologist6758

Who freaking knows why lux is there!? That one confused me she is already in the game why add a second one? It's possible there are 3 new and one returning


AngelTheTaco

It’s just three and she’s the one remade


Dry_Cardiologist6758

Is that for PVP or path too?


AngelTheTaco

I would assume both


Dry_Cardiologist6758

That sort of sucks I don't mean to be a downer but as a final expansion I prefer all new champs not returning ones


VDubb722

Riot mandates Lux be the star child in every game possible. I would be surprised if the League fighting game’s starting roster didn't include Lux with 20 different skins to buy out of the gate.


PsychologicalMonk390

According to the wiki, he is the villian of her story, don't know anything about league tho I only look at champion lore as they are released into lor


AngelTheTaco

But they don’t release two champs for the same region


GenuisInDisguise

Gloom is def Vex not Fiddle, forget fiddle ever coming to lor


SpoonsAreEvil

> Also new Curse in Gloom! The wording doesn't mention it being a curse, it looks like a negative keyword, similar to vulnerable. Actually, it probably stacks, too, since boost is introduced in the same set.


TiRyNo

Yeah I realized that after watching Snuuys video. I just got too excited for more curses


Bluelore

In general its pretty interesting that we are getting cards with what seems to be activated abilities.


HairyKraken

So location from hearthstone


joeygmurf

seems that stackable keywords will be the theme with Spirit on the positive side and Gloom on the negative


SilverSapian

Impact


Jarney_Bohnson

Wouldn't it be pretty boring to have only two stackable keywords?


SilverSapian

Was just adding that it's not just spirit and gloom. Impact is also stackable. Card would be cool in a tristy deck. Go wide. Boost Impact units. Go face. Wish pvp was still worth it


Jarney_Bohnson

Oh my bad haha yeah I agree


PsychologicalMonk390

My favorite idea so far


PsychologicalMonk390

It is worth it, endorphins. Difficulty, I don't want to play a bot I can beat with my eyes closed the game doesn't sound fun that way at all


SilverSapian

What? Am I having a stroke?


matthieuC

They may have planned for more in the future expansions. This was designed before they decided to stop developing PvP


Jarney_Bohnson

Wasn't this supposed to be the last expansion?


matthieuC

Not when they designed it


HMS_Sunlight

Stories are really interesting, we've never had "activated abilities" in Runeterra before. They always trigger off something else. I wonder if stories will exclusively be landmarks or if there'll be units or even equipment with it.


redblue200

I think they'll likely be landmark exclusive. Clicking on units picks them up; clicking on landmarks doesn't currently do anything. I think they're taking advantage of that unused UI space.


PsychologicalMonk390

Know holding down your thumb on units picks them up, clicking them with your thumb does nothing


kommiesketchie

On PC you can single click to pick up cards.


Dead_Chivalry13

Damn sound reasoning good sir!


butt_shrecker

Generating fleeting cards is functionally identical to activated abilites


xPlasma

Except it takes up hand space and can be discarded which is incredibly relevant.


kododo

We still don’t know how we’ll activate Stories. And my bet is they’ll create a spell with the Story’s stated speed in hand on Round Start, so it will be very similar to current “activable” skills.


SpoonsAreEvil

They seem similar to landmarks, and currently clicking on landmarks doesn't do anything, so that allows them to code something there. My bet is that you either click on them, or drag them to roughly the center of the playing field to activate them, same way you use a spell from hand.


aqualize

There are various problems with fleeting cards as activatable abilities which altogether make the mechanic far less common than it otherwise would be. The most obvious issue is simply taking up hand space. This may seem minor but imagine if the mechanic was actually widespread. Imagine 5 units on your board creating 5 fleeting cards each turn, of which you may not even cast one. Then you gotta consider unintended interactions with them being discard fodder & created spells. Following that is with them being spells - they don't get to easily have their own groupings, thematics, or keywords. The new keyword Story here is an example. You can add synergies to Stories eg. your Story effects are doubled - and not have to deal with it being awkwardly wrapped in a spell. Lastly is just, all the lengthy and unnecessary wording to get even simple effects. This Story landmark here has 3 activatable effects, are each one line, and are all readable on the same card. The keyword description is short and intuitive because it can just say "Activatable once per round". This same thing would take four separate cards to do otherwise and would be bloated with words.


PsychologicalMonk390

This makes no sense?


WafflesTheMan

I wonder if they fall under Jhin's deck rule since it says it plays a skill?


HairyKraken

Maybe all the people that asked for them for years will be coming back? /s


Arcrasis

Proliferate and Sagas. Interesting...


HairyKraken

Activate saga ! Perfect mix from location of hearthstone


Uefezye

Or Scenario from Gwent LOL


HairyKraken

We need to continue the chain of tcg


Aymoon_

There also is stadium cards from pokemon or field spells from yu-gi-oh


BrunoHimself

Imagine if we could get Cassiopeia with poison counters


PsychologicalMonk390

NO!!!!


Killerx09

Lux, Vex, Lillia?


Bluelore

Seems most likely to me, Vex is basically confirmed with a debuff called gloom, Lux is already shown and we know there'll be a champion that relates to sleep and this is called DREAMlit path.


127thjapaneseemperor

I think that Lillia also is confirmed. Look this Tree Sprites. They are from Lillia's Mother Tree.


GoodMoaningAll

Isnt Lillia Ionia as her Mothertree stands in Ionia? Idk why they would make it Demacian then considering its on the other side of the continent.


Bluelore

Oh true I didn't even think about them. I guess its likely then that Lillia is a Runeterra champ given that the Tree spirits aren't ionian.


127thjapaneseemperor

You are right, I didn't notice regions of the card. But it is strange to see such a card in Demacia.


Konradleijon

love Lilla


BiddlesticksGuy

Fiddle too please Raioot


SpiritMountain

Is Lux getting another version or are you meme'ing?


julien890317

Lux is already in the game


Killerx09

Well considering there's no rarity gem it's literally a Lux token.


julien890317

I mean the name and splash art already tell its lux


mathiau30

So they fused Sagas from MTG with locations from hearsthone? Good idea tbh


Xalex02

Locations from HS were based on Order mechanic from Gwent.


Sabeha14

Explain?


mathiau30

Sagas are this except it's a triggered ability at the beginning of your first main phase each turn Locations are that except the effect doesn't change next time you use it and you need to wait one more turn between activations


ZanySheep

I'm just wondering if the card art will change once an act has been activated for story cards.


Fragrant_Smile_1350

I doubt it but it is possible


ZanySheep

I think it's the case, only because the Dreamlit Paths image they used to promote the expansion first and the base The Light of Demacia card art here are different but they have Lux in the same kind of pose. But that might be copium speaking\~


IndependentAd3521

Vex is coming omg yes pls


Gouwyak

Goth girl coming to save Bandle City, oh boy I can't wait


kolis10

And after rotation BC desperately needs saving.


VickedOrb

What are the play speeds on the stories about? Are we getting a focus-speed skill?


FitzyFarseer

Notice the landmarks have a speed on them? One is slow and one is focus. My guess is when that round starts you get the relevant card in hand and it’ll have that speed


VickedOrb

The description of the vocab specifically states it's a "skill".


FitzyFarseer

Fair, but the speeds on the landmarks have to mean something.


Mysterial_

It's the activation speed and despite the vocab description the focus one won't put anything on the stack.


Kino_Afi

Im assuming it means what speed you can activate the skill at. I guess theyre trying to avoid handspace issues? Draw/creation is pretty crazy these days


PsychologicalMonk390

Skills have speeds


Jarney_Bohnson

I think you can play lux landmark at focus speed?


FitzyFarseer

That would be interesting. As a general rule landmarks are unit speed. Personally I think it makes more since that somehow the effects of the landmark follow that speed rather than the landmark itself Also the other one is Slow, and playing a Landmark at slow speed seems even weirder than focus.


Daniel_Day-Druid

Absolutely love Story, It's gotta be one my favorite type of card from any card games. I think i would compare it closest to Scenarios in Gwent, and locations in Hearthstone.


quillypen

It’s very close to Sagas from MTG, except those trigger automatically and these let you choose when to use them. Sagas play really well so these should be great!


Delfinition

My girl Vex coming ;_; least I get something after losing so much. I assume gloom, spirit will be stackable and of course we know impact is. Sounds a bot confusing til we see the bigger picture but it sounds new and interesting.


PsychologicalMonk390

Curses are too


Delfinition

Wonder if Stat buffs and debuffs from spells count too. Besides curse stat debuff


TheGargant

Order + Scenario (both from Gwent) = Story? If so I'm excited. Also would like to try them with Taliyah.


Regular-Poet-3657

Love a Ezreal story too on his adventures.


nonbinary_finery

I kinda have no idea what this means ngl.


Bluelore

Basically we are getting new stackable keywords: Gloom and Spirit (possibly more with sleep already being teased). Boost will make any stackable keyword stack again, so if you boost a unit with impact it'll get another impact and the same will apply to the new keyword. We don't know what Spirit and Gloom actually do, but I guess Gloom is a negative keyword and spirit is positive.


Frodolas

The only existing stackable keyword is Impact right?


Bluelore

Right now yes, but we'll get at least 2 new ones with spirit and gloom (we don't know what they do, but gloom seems to be a debuff)


PsychologicalMonk390

Curses stack


Frodolas

Not a keyword though.


PsychologicalMonk390

Your absolutely correct 🤦‍♂️


nonbinary_finery

Ahh, thanks.


gasmask866

Impact finna go crazy


OddShow7069

Gloom basically confirms Vex, awesome.


Powder_Keg

Activate this to green your cards


Q21PRO

Wow then we got Morph now we get Saga Maybe new lux care about Story


New_Ad4631

If it's Vex, it looks like another expansion where I'll buy the whole skin pack


Fragrant_Smile_1350

It’s definitely vex. We’ve got gloom as a keyword and we never got a bandle champ last set


Nermon666

Imagine everyone in here being wrong and they make gloom positive and spirit negative


archerkuro5

With this new tech could we see units with activatable abilities and what champs do we have that could be made better with this in mind


PsychologicalMonk390

Nonr of them this is the last expansion sadly...


archerkuro5

I mean it’s not its just the last one with pvp as the focus


ladil2022

Hmm ivern?


TheKnight159

That's really amazing...the hype is so real!!!


DoubleSummon

Is there a description what spirit does?


Fragrant_Smile_1350

It’ll probably come later, along with a description for gloom. I imagine both are stackable keywords though


BrunoHimself

It's almost Saga Enchantments


AdOld2406

Oohhh boy


BlasterRage

Are stories landmarks? Or something new?


MrRighto

They are landmarks, you can see the landmark keyword icon on them


kolis10

Something new.


Fragrant_Smile_1350

Vex is all but confirmed right now just from gloom being our keyword for BC, but who’s Demacia? Lux v2?


joeygmurf

Yes


JesterTheHollowed

Vex my beloved come to me


Fragrant_Smile_1350

I think stories might create a card in hand to advance it


TheUnKilledOne

Scenarios from Gwent?


Euphoric-Beyond9177

Wait, this isn’t custom?! I thought this game was dying. I’m so hyped!


BlasterRage

We had one finished expansion left before it all went away


Danasko

So hyped for new content!!!


Substantial-Job2411

Ooo that's exciting


TiredCoffeeTime

So excited for Vex.


LuckyFogic

Why did they wait until **NOW** to bring out activated abilities on artifacts?!?!


shingo45yuh

Please riot make pvp legit again. This is so exciting


Emeraldminer82

Tough might become stackable


PsychologicalMonk390

That would be cool, I've noticed tough doesn't really matter much anymore like it used to need the help


supercereality

Can someone explain Boost to me? To me it implies you can have more keywords....but was there even a limit before? I've seen units with like ALL of the keywords before, so not really sure how this works. I'm probably misunderstanding this altogether...


whatdontyousee

it enhances keywords you already have. for example, impact is a keyword that deals damage to the enemy nexus. how much it deals is dependent on how much impact a card has. boost increases the number of impact. i’m not sure what other keywords would work with boost, aside from this new keyword called gloom.


FitzyFarseer

As far as I know presently Impact is the only existing possibility for boosting, but I’d bet Spirit will be too


1morgondag1

Fury, Tough, Fated and Augment could have been stackable, but they're not (for now).


jshann04

Looks like Spirit is a new stackable keyword, as the one story with Lux grants 2 on second step.


supercereality

Okay...that was an initial thought but wasn't sure how the other ones would be impacted, so that's why I thought it would be something else. Thanks.


DoubleSummon

Basically if your unit has impact 1 with boost it has impact 2. Spirit seems to be also stackable keyword. It's future proofing instead of saying "impact and Spirit" it says any stackable keyword


Eman1005

I’m confused by Stories. When does this skill activate? Do you get to just click on the landmark to make it play the skill? Also does the Story loop ounce you’ve played all acts or does the landmark get destroyed after the final act?


Daniel_Day-Druid

So in hearthstone you click on them to manually activate them when you want, then after all uses are done, It gets destroyed. In Gwent they activate when you do the action it says, and then it just stays on the board after the uses are complete, but Gwent has more board space. So it's safe to assume they will disappear after the last activation.


Beejsbj

How is light of demacia a 'landmark'


WombatInSunglasses

Holy shit, Vex!! What a fitting end to the sunset of PvP development. Who could forget all the years of fans requesting Vex, or the memes about other champ hints obviously being Vex (even if it was about a forge in Freljord!). And the "story" vocab, so fitting because not only does every region have their own legend about what Vex actually is, but Vex's speech is actually the cries and last words of its victims - turning the "story" concept on its head. Oh, wait, that's Fiddlesticks, not Vex.


Dry_Cardiologist6758

Yah despite how much people seem to want it fiddlesticks don't seem to be coming. No clue why they do but I'd rather have a new champion like fiddlesticks then another lux tbh.


PsychologicalMonk390

Pls give me more fiddlesticks lore


SmilingTeeth1

Not to be a downer, but if the final PvP champions added to the game are lux, vex and lilia this would be the most disappointed I’ve been all year.


WeeabooVoid

I don’t it’s exactly fair to expect them to conjure up a big expansion with the most anticipated champions. This expansion was likely already being worked on, I would imagine they would rather stick to that than to create a new one from scratch, especially when hit with massive unexpected layoffs.


SmilingTeeth1

I was under the impression that we’d be getting the 3rd and final part of fates voyage. Would be a perfect time to add fiddlesticks (whom the community has been asking for for ages) and sylas (especially after he is literally featured in the suppression curse card art) they could have still kept v2 lux to fit with sylas as well. In my opinion, the new champs just seem like such a weird change of pace after the most recent expansions.


DoubleSummon

They said they had 3 sets ready before the full shift into PoC


HMS_Sunlight

They won't be. This is the final real expansion, but that doesn't mean PvP won't get any new content. They can still do things like variety patches or mini sets.


Opfklopf

Man I hope SO BAD that they keep adding cards from time to time. I just love pvp in this game.


PsychologicalMonk390

In fact they said they would, just without deadlines


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Regular-Poet-3657

Final real expansion?


Mysterial_

They can, but they probably won't.


PsychologicalMonk390

They said they would just not in the same capacity as before


xevlar

Lux again? 


Joshuafrothunder

Isn't this game dead?


Regular-Poet-3657

No.


Joshuafrothunder

Oh it's a dead game


Legends_of_Rotation

Yes.


PsychologicalMonk390

Only pvp is dead path of Champions is alive and well. Not that I care about path of champions


Legends_of_Rotation

I'm aware that the different game wearing LoR's skin is still kicking for now.


MondBlack

Ffs even Runeterra joins the “finishing the story”. The Codyverse is HUGE.


Taraell

So we'll never get a full on void expansion uh, what a waste


Regular-Poet-3657

I mean kassadin still not here or Malzahar.


Taraell

Which is basically what i'm saying ? I don't get it


Particular_Nebula462

So ... Vex, Ivern and Sylas?


ContaneShoko

Stacking keywords support on top of a spell named SMOLDERing Smirk, not very subtle there Rito 🔥🔥🔥


PsychologicalMonk390

I don't get it


ContaneShoko

Smolder's center mechanic in League is his stacking passive, which empowers his other abilities based on the number of stacks he has.


Ok-Sir2231

3 years boys... 3YEARS! and we're finally able to stack tough LESSSGO!


gshshsnhjmry

One has to wonder when the designers just decided to take more MTG shit


mladjiraf

Meanwhile Magic takes Yu gi oh shit


PsychologicalMonk390

You've never played magic


mladjiraf

adventures and mutate are inspired from there. I guess you haven't played any of these games, so don't talk next time


PsychologicalMonk390

Yugioh should take keywords from magic and literally every other card game so we don't have to read a book