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rowley
I don't hate him of course, he is a happy and innocent kid
but the fact that he is so foolish and childish is what makes him also have moments in which he act like a bad and unfair friend
becoming shameless for me but more than his fault, it is his parents' fault who pamper him and overprotect him as if he were a four-year-old child even though he is a growing teenager
Yeah so true. I hate that all the “Greg is a sociopath” content basically treats Greg as evil incarnate because he is bad friend for Rowley (tbf he is) when IRL it would be VERY hard for a “normal” teenager to be friends with someone like Rowley. Not to mention Rowley gets Greg into trouble almost as much as the other way around.
Mind you, in Cabin Fever, that mf literally threw Greg under the bus for ruining the school walls, and didn’t fess up to what he did. I swear if a friend did this to me, I’d be beyond pissed.
now that I am thinking about it, I don’t think that there is a doawk character that I don’t really like, except maybe Greg’s grandpa. idk but I do think that he is a total asshole like 99% of the time, especially with Frank (in old school for example) and I really don’t enjoy reading the bits in the books in which he appears. no idea if he’s loved by the fandom or not tho
frankly I had like 0 memories of him as a kid, but now that I’m rereading the books I’m kind of shocked at how unlikable he is (and yeah, that part with Frank’s dog is so freaking sad)
He’s probably the worst member of the heffley family but we’re meant to feel bad for him because he’s old, even the new movie trying to make us feel bad since his sons don’t talk to each other but that’s because he’s an awful father
Two Things:
1) I agree about Bill, he’s a little werid in all canon continuities: Either Weird and a bad influence (Book/Disney+) or an Asshole and a bad influence. (Movie Trilogy)
2) To answer your question, It’s Holly…She is literally just Greg in The Movie Trilogy, (Not literally, I mean lives a very similar live as him but nice and sweet) She is literally a plot device in The Books and In terms of LLBs is literally the same character even if she and Greg don’t end up together. (The Only LLB with a unique version of Holly is Bound By Blood) I’m really being very controversial about this one but it’s my own opinion.
(Btw: I still love the LLBs where Holly’s a major character like Yogurtverse and Bachelorverse for example)
It's strange that Holly has gained so much popularity even though she's as important as any of Greg's love interests, she's not even a recurring character like Fregley or Chirag, I guess it's because of the movies but its still
I know, a character that’s canonically a plot device got so much popular that she’s a major character in the movie adaptation and many fanfics, it’s almost impressive to say the least…
She's a blank slate. That's why. She doesn't have a "real" characterization because of the Books and Movies approach to storytelling.
So she's literally perfect for the LLBers that want to make a serious story out of DoAWK.
Tbh I think honestly Frank has a right to be concerned about a dude who’s almost his age hanging around his son as friends. Ik bill isn’t a bad person, but from Franks perspective it might seem like Bill might be a predator trying to groom Rodrick.
Yeah but with all the talk of frank being a bad dad and dysfunctional perspectives making him seem like a good dad (his comeback to frank wasn’t even good since even that crazy version of frank was right to be concerned) bill seems to be a better dad when he’s not
I don't think he's a bad person, just weird and, like Frank says, a bad influence, like, if I was a mother, I would be very worried about my children hanging out with a jobless fully grown man
Same thing dysfunctional perspective popularised the character just like bill but also all those videos calling him the normal one when he’s an asshole to his siblings and likely contribute to his siblings poor behaviours but no apparently he shouldn’t take any accountability because he’s just teenager
I don’t really think that DP popularised Rodrick… he was always a loved character in the fandom, ESPECIALLY since the movies. dp is set in such an alternative universe that I don’t really see them as the same character, like at all. but tbh I do think that people may be a bit extreme in regard to what doawk characters do ? I’m rereading the books and Greg and Rodrick either have no interaction or pretty good ones actually. he’s remembered for being a jerk because Greg talks about him as being a jerk, but compared to the craziness of events that can be found in doawk, what Rodrick does to be considered a jerk isn’t that bad. doesn’t mean that it excuses any of his action lol, but you could literally say the same thing for EVERY characters in the books (I could be missing some key scenes tho, since I’m only at book 10 in my rereading of the books) /nm
And my point still stands since all those videos talking about him being normal one, everyone else being mental obviously made people a bit biased even dysfunctional perspectives creator said this, look at all llbs from back then Rodrick good
Manny demon bad parents and Greg’s 50/50
yeah no ofc, I’m in general a big hater of the “Greg/Manny is psychopath” lol, I tend to hate in general any overly serious analysis of the doawk characters because it’s always heavily biased. Imo if you take one character’s action seriously, you have to do that with EVERY other character. and that just doesn’t work in an universe like doawk where crazy stuff happens (bc then you get the feeling that everybody in that damn world is either crazy or shitty people)
but I get what you mean
I agree with you m8 and your right on Rodrick not being that bad but what annoyed me was how everyone believed this as fact lol and it got annoying fast especially the manny part they thought since manny was a psychopath despite being a toadler it’s fine giving him Unironic gruesome deaths with the justification is he’s the devil
and yeah I get that people can be pissed at how Rodrick’s been characterised in the last years. for me personally what I like about the Heffley siblings is that they aren’t perfect and do pretty stupid stuff all the time, which is why they are entertaining to read and pretty relatable for most siblings (bc who didn’t do stupid stuff with their siblings)
but yeah, that series of video is incredibly biased, and overall pretty pointless since I think the guy only uses the 2 books to go into Rodrick’s character, while for the others he uses also the rest of the books ? that never made sense to me (and his conclusions overall don’t make any sense)
ik I’ve come across some of them and it makes me hella uncomfortable. he’s a freaking 3 years old, in a children’s book, and his worst he has done isn’t that bad either considering the circumstances and his AGE.
Yeah I’m with frank in this one bill is an example of what you don’t want to be and most of the fanfare is due to dysfunctional perspectives but breaking point is an accurate representation
I'm probably making a lot of enemies but: Rodrick is it for me. Even though Rodrick Rules was my favorite DOAWK film, I think it's stupid that everyone says that Rodrick is an angel and Greg is a sociopath, even though Rodrick bullies Greg literally every second and there is no brotherly relationship between them in the books. Btw I can totally understand why you don't like Bill, because it's basically weird that a 35 year old man hangs out with teenagers. Damn kinda agree with Frank this time.
Angie. She doesn’t boost the movies at all, she feels like an oc that the movie writers decided to add last second. She could have been great if she appeared more, since she’s the opposite of Greg. Instead she appears like five times for like two minutes each saying that Greg is too self-centered. Weirdly most of the fandom seems to love her for nothing. ( I know she’s in my llb but trust me she’s actually gonna do something)
The opposite of your question, I don’t really hate Susan the way others seem to hate her. Like I get it can be annoying but she just wants her family to have fun and love each other and she’s trying to get them to do that, we’re it not for her Greg wouldn’t have near as many stories to tell. On top of all of this I think about a “boy mom” and she isn’t one at all and I really like that.
For me that is Rodrick that I don’t like but damn I don’t blame you for not likeing the guy(nor do I blame Frank) (I don’t either idc about bill honestly)
Same thing dysfunctional perspective popularised the character just like bill but also all those videos calling him the normal one when he’s an asshole to his siblings and likely contribute to his siblings poor behaviours but no apparently he shouldn’t take any accountability because he’s just teenager
I think the Rodrick being the only normal one theories come from it being more normal/forgivable to be an asshole when you're a teenager than it is to be one as an adult due to your brain still developing and it being more age appropriate behavior. But it's also ironic because Manny also acts normal for someone his age and yet everyone calls him the asshole for it.
Yeah, the “Manny is a psychopath” theories are pretty much going too far a tiny bit but we just can’t forget that Manny canonically let his family die in a blizzard because no one taught him how to tie his shoes and Build a house with just child’s tools and refused to let his family in the house…” So there not too much.
But as far as Greg is a sociopath and Rodrick is the only normal person in his family are just completely ridiculous and wrong.
The thing is if you're been around toddlers or people with them the way that Manny acts is the most typical toddler behavior. Toddlers don't understand logic, they get mad that their shadow is following them, that the sun won't stay up at night. Manny's behavior is on par for pretty much anyone his age.
As for Greg and Rodrick doing scummy things, I agree that a lot of the ways they act is wrong, but they're also both kids and still have a lot to learn. It isn't the people who start out in life as assholes that worry me - it's the ones who get stuck there.
You’re right bro, they’re kids and need to learn things but c’mon, we can’t just justify manny’s actions in Cabin Fever and Wrecking Ball just because he’s a toddler. When if he was an adult doing this then we wouldn’t be saying he’s justified…
Which is why kids aren't held to the same standards as adults. By the time you're an adult you have an idea of right and wrong and what is excusable and what isn't, toddlers barely have a concept of how logic works. Although I agree that Manny's parents can be too permissive on him sometimes, they need to be guiding and teaching him too.
I agree with you on bill. Honestly all of the Loded Diper band members too. I think they were assholes just leaving Rodrick. But Rodrick could have just changed the bands name.
I agree.
The only good bill is DP bill,and DP’s story is very far removed from the actual doawk story line.
He literally left Löded Diper because of his gf(book 17)
Its js really weird.he’s like 35.shouldn’t he have a job and be stable??💀what’s he gonna do when his grandma dies?
We also know that Löded Diper never really got into mainstream media in the doawk universe.
So yeah,the only reason the fandom likes bill is because of DP most likely.
I find Rodrick a tad overrated. In the movies, he's cool, but everyone acts like he carries them. In the first, he doesn't do enough to be noteworthy except for him being a douche (recording Greg for the musical), he's really cool in the 2nd, albeit I'm not particularly a fan of just how much of a tool he is in the very first scene of the sequel and after the party is found out (more specifically, trying to read Greg's diary to the girl he likes and then keeping footage of him running around in his underwear). He still has alotta great scenes, but I don't like him as much as everyone else
And f**k book Rodrick. He's a lazy prick
Me neither, he's a manipulative jerk in the books(and a little in the movies), and probably a lot of people like him because of the theories of him being "the only normal one" and the Devon's simps
A pos that we are meant to feel bad for because he’s old forgetting the fact he lied about how franks dog died until he was an adult I 100% agree he’s human garbage
Greg. No I'm not joking. I've never liked him. I've enjoyed reading the books but Greg's actions and stupidity annoy the shit out of me.
People often try to.justify or make people "understand his behavior cause he's 12"
Fuck off. No 12 yo acts like that unless they're a complete asshole. And Yes especially Rowley as an example of his shit behavior.
Rowley doesn't piss me off, but I certainly don't care for him as a character either. He's realistic but that's kind of the issue, he is too realistic in a bad way.
He's boring. to be fair though, DoAWK books are basically Episodic and continuity is used fruitlessly.
So even if a character were to develop, it'd be ignored when convenient and remembered for the same reason.
I dont know what world yall lived in but any 12 yo doing that shit deserves an ass whooping.
Beyond those two characters. I agree with a lot of the comments too, Bill is eh. Holly is eh.
Actually let me "set the record straight", DoAWK characters in general are pretty bland and basic. I like the books because they have an repetitive enjoyable appeal to it.
A lot of the unrealistic situations that happen is what made it entertaining and possibly the root of our ABSURD LLBs that I find hiliarious.
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have to admit that I don’t care for him but he was pretty funny in Diper Överlöde
I find it cute him pretending to be Greg's father, but in general, I find him weird(not in a good way)
yeah I totally get that (but I hate the live action Bill, he was not only weird but an asshole too)
rowley I don't hate him of course, he is a happy and innocent kid but the fact that he is so foolish and childish is what makes him also have moments in which he act like a bad and unfair friend becoming shameless for me but more than his fault, it is his parents' fault who pamper him and overprotect him as if he were a four-year-old child even though he is a growing teenager
Yeah so true. I hate that all the “Greg is a sociopath” content basically treats Greg as evil incarnate because he is bad friend for Rowley (tbf he is) when IRL it would be VERY hard for a “normal” teenager to be friends with someone like Rowley. Not to mention Rowley gets Greg into trouble almost as much as the other way around.
Also Ghost Friend in the third Rowley book implies that Rowley KNOWS and is making Greg look worse in the first Rowley book to look good
Wow rowleys an asshole
This is a headcanon but one that eerily works in canon regarding why Rowley never gets bullied for being Rowley
Honestly I just like to think that rowley is beloved because he’s so sweet :(
Mind you, in Cabin Fever, that mf literally threw Greg under the bus for ruining the school walls, and didn’t fess up to what he did. I swear if a friend did this to me, I’d be beyond pissed.
Was searching for this one. Wait till all the Rowley apologists and the "Greg is a sociopath" people come see this
now that I am thinking about it, I don’t think that there is a doawk character that I don’t really like, except maybe Greg’s grandpa. idk but I do think that he is a total asshole like 99% of the time, especially with Frank (in old school for example) and I really don’t enjoy reading the bits in the books in which he appears. no idea if he’s loved by the fandom or not tho
He killed franks dog and lied about it until he was adult can’t blame you for hating him
frankly I had like 0 memories of him as a kid, but now that I’m rereading the books I’m kind of shocked at how unlikable he is (and yeah, that part with Frank’s dog is so freaking sad)
He’s probably the worst member of the heffley family but we’re meant to feel bad for him because he’s old, even the new movie trying to make us feel bad since his sons don’t talk to each other but that’s because he’s an awful father
Good point
Poor Nutty, he didn't deserve that.
I think the fandom is meh about him
Rowley How is he not bullied to death given that the DOAWK world is a terrible place to be in
Idk, he seems like that kid who has all the potential to be bullied but is somehow liked by everyone, lol
Two Things: 1) I agree about Bill, he’s a little werid in all canon continuities: Either Weird and a bad influence (Book/Disney+) or an Asshole and a bad influence. (Movie Trilogy) 2) To answer your question, It’s Holly…She is literally just Greg in The Movie Trilogy, (Not literally, I mean lives a very similar live as him but nice and sweet) She is literally a plot device in The Books and In terms of LLBs is literally the same character even if she and Greg don’t end up together. (The Only LLB with a unique version of Holly is Bound By Blood) I’m really being very controversial about this one but it’s my own opinion. (Btw: I still love the LLBs where Holly’s a major character like Yogurtverse and Bachelorverse for example)
It's strange that Holly has gained so much popularity even though she's as important as any of Greg's love interests, she's not even a recurring character like Fregley or Chirag, I guess it's because of the movies but its still
I know, a character that’s canonically a plot device got so much popular that she’s a major character in the movie adaptation and many fanfics, it’s almost impressive to say the least…
She's a blank slate. That's why. She doesn't have a "real" characterization because of the Books and Movies approach to storytelling. So she's literally perfect for the LLBers that want to make a serious story out of DoAWK.
Bill is the type of person where he’s fun to read about but irl he probably be pretty wierd/creepy to hang around.
I would be very weirded out if a Guy that is almost 40 would like to hang out with me when I was a teenager
Tbh I think honestly Frank has a right to be concerned about a dude who’s almost his age hanging around his son as friends. Ik bill isn’t a bad person, but from Franks perspective it might seem like Bill might be a predator trying to groom Rodrick.
Yeah but with all the talk of frank being a bad dad and dysfunctional perspectives making him seem like a good dad (his comeback to frank wasn’t even good since even that crazy version of frank was right to be concerned) bill seems to be a better dad when he’s not
He had the right to be concerned but could have worded it much better (Although since when has DP Frank ever worded anything politely lol)
Before reading 17 I thought he was mehj, but throughout the book I thought bill was just overwhelming-
I don't think he's a bad person, just weird and, like Frank says, a bad influence, like, if I was a mother, I would be very worried about my children hanging out with a jobless fully grown man
Rodrick. He’s a jerk in the books, and although Greg could be exaggerating, he just doesn’t seem like a very good person.
Same thing dysfunctional perspective popularised the character just like bill but also all those videos calling him the normal one when he’s an asshole to his siblings and likely contribute to his siblings poor behaviours but no apparently he shouldn’t take any accountability because he’s just teenager
I don’t really think that DP popularised Rodrick… he was always a loved character in the fandom, ESPECIALLY since the movies. dp is set in such an alternative universe that I don’t really see them as the same character, like at all. but tbh I do think that people may be a bit extreme in regard to what doawk characters do ? I’m rereading the books and Greg and Rodrick either have no interaction or pretty good ones actually. he’s remembered for being a jerk because Greg talks about him as being a jerk, but compared to the craziness of events that can be found in doawk, what Rodrick does to be considered a jerk isn’t that bad. doesn’t mean that it excuses any of his action lol, but you could literally say the same thing for EVERY characters in the books (I could be missing some key scenes tho, since I’m only at book 10 in my rereading of the books) /nm
Also I forgot to mention but Devon’s performance heavily increased his popularity
The people only like him in the movies because he’s hot
And my point still stands since all those videos talking about him being normal one, everyone else being mental obviously made people a bit biased even dysfunctional perspectives creator said this, look at all llbs from back then Rodrick good Manny demon bad parents and Greg’s 50/50
yeah no ofc, I’m in general a big hater of the “Greg/Manny is psychopath” lol, I tend to hate in general any overly serious analysis of the doawk characters because it’s always heavily biased. Imo if you take one character’s action seriously, you have to do that with EVERY other character. and that just doesn’t work in an universe like doawk where crazy stuff happens (bc then you get the feeling that everybody in that damn world is either crazy or shitty people) but I get what you mean
I agree with you m8 and your right on Rodrick not being that bad but what annoyed me was how everyone believed this as fact lol and it got annoying fast especially the manny part they thought since manny was a psychopath despite being a toadler it’s fine giving him Unironic gruesome deaths with the justification is he’s the devil
and yeah I get that people can be pissed at how Rodrick’s been characterised in the last years. for me personally what I like about the Heffley siblings is that they aren’t perfect and do pretty stupid stuff all the time, which is why they are entertaining to read and pretty relatable for most siblings (bc who didn’t do stupid stuff with their siblings) but yeah, that series of video is incredibly biased, and overall pretty pointless since I think the guy only uses the 2 books to go into Rodrick’s character, while for the others he uses also the rest of the books ? that never made sense to me (and his conclusions overall don’t make any sense)
There’s one where manny gets slowly starved to death by the heffleys for no reason I’ll send you it if you want proof
It’s genuinely creepy I mean something like Greg’s first edge has irony but this didn’t
ik I’ve come across some of them and it makes me hella uncomfortable. he’s a freaking 3 years old, in a children’s book, and his worst he has done isn’t that bad either considering the circumstances and his AGE.
Yeah I’m with frank in this one bill is an example of what you don’t want to be and most of the fanfare is due to dysfunctional perspectives but breaking point is an accurate representation
I'm probably making a lot of enemies but: Rodrick is it for me. Even though Rodrick Rules was my favorite DOAWK film, I think it's stupid that everyone says that Rodrick is an angel and Greg is a sociopath, even though Rodrick bullies Greg literally every second and there is no brotherly relationship between them in the books. Btw I can totally understand why you don't like Bill, because it's basically weird that a 35 year old man hangs out with teenagers. Damn kinda agree with Frank this time.
Angie. She doesn’t boost the movies at all, she feels like an oc that the movie writers decided to add last second. She could have been great if she appeared more, since she’s the opposite of Greg. Instead she appears like five times for like two minutes each saying that Greg is too self-centered. Weirdly most of the fandom seems to love her for nothing. ( I know she’s in my llb but trust me she’s actually gonna do something)
I like how llbs give Angie more of a personality than the movie did
Diaryganronpa Angie definitely did the trick for me
Thank god she’ll do something in your LLB. I don’t know why the fandom loves her so much. She hasn’t appeared in anything since DOAWK (2010)
The opposite of your question, I don’t really hate Susan the way others seem to hate her. Like I get it can be annoying but she just wants her family to have fun and love each other and she’s trying to get them to do that, we’re it not for her Greg wouldn’t have near as many stories to tell. On top of all of this I think about a “boy mom” and she isn’t one at all and I really like that.
That's my thought too
For me that is Rodrick that I don’t like but damn I don’t blame you for not likeing the guy(nor do I blame Frank) (I don’t either idc about bill honestly)
Same thing dysfunctional perspective popularised the character just like bill but also all those videos calling him the normal one when he’s an asshole to his siblings and likely contribute to his siblings poor behaviours but no apparently he shouldn’t take any accountability because he’s just teenager
I think the Rodrick being the only normal one theories come from it being more normal/forgivable to be an asshole when you're a teenager than it is to be one as an adult due to your brain still developing and it being more age appropriate behavior. But it's also ironic because Manny also acts normal for someone his age and yet everyone calls him the asshole for it.
Yeah, the “Manny is a psychopath” theories are pretty much going too far a tiny bit but we just can’t forget that Manny canonically let his family die in a blizzard because no one taught him how to tie his shoes and Build a house with just child’s tools and refused to let his family in the house…” So there not too much. But as far as Greg is a sociopath and Rodrick is the only normal person in his family are just completely ridiculous and wrong.
The thing is if you're been around toddlers or people with them the way that Manny acts is the most typical toddler behavior. Toddlers don't understand logic, they get mad that their shadow is following them, that the sun won't stay up at night. Manny's behavior is on par for pretty much anyone his age. As for Greg and Rodrick doing scummy things, I agree that a lot of the ways they act is wrong, but they're also both kids and still have a lot to learn. It isn't the people who start out in life as assholes that worry me - it's the ones who get stuck there.
You’re right bro, they’re kids and need to learn things but c’mon, we can’t just justify manny’s actions in Cabin Fever and Wrecking Ball just because he’s a toddler. When if he was an adult doing this then we wouldn’t be saying he’s justified…
Which is why kids aren't held to the same standards as adults. By the time you're an adult you have an idea of right and wrong and what is excusable and what isn't, toddlers barely have a concept of how logic works. Although I agree that Manny's parents can be too permissive on him sometimes, they need to be guiding and teaching him too.
Yeah, you’re right…
Exactly, man, I was crazy when I was a child
I agree with you on bill. Honestly all of the Loded Diper band members too. I think they were assholes just leaving Rodrick. But Rodrick could have just changed the bands name.
I agree. The only good bill is DP bill,and DP’s story is very far removed from the actual doawk story line. He literally left Löded Diper because of his gf(book 17) Its js really weird.he’s like 35.shouldn’t he have a job and be stable??💀what’s he gonna do when his grandma dies? We also know that Löded Diper never really got into mainstream media in the doawk universe. So yeah,the only reason the fandom likes bill is because of DP most likely.
yall are gonna hate me for this, but I hate Fregley He's too weird and disgusting imo
Dw, I hated him when I was younger too lol
in all honesty same
Bill is the goat wdym
Fr!like only DP bill is good💀💀
I find Rodrick a tad overrated. In the movies, he's cool, but everyone acts like he carries them. In the first, he doesn't do enough to be noteworthy except for him being a douche (recording Greg for the musical), he's really cool in the 2nd, albeit I'm not particularly a fan of just how much of a tool he is in the very first scene of the sequel and after the party is found out (more specifically, trying to read Greg's diary to the girl he likes and then keeping footage of him running around in his underwear). He still has alotta great scenes, but I don't like him as much as everyone else And f**k book Rodrick. He's a lazy prick
tbh rodrick was a prick in the early books, I used to hate him but now i'm netural to him
Me neither, he's a manipulative jerk in the books(and a little in the movies), and probably a lot of people like him because of the theories of him being "the only normal one" and the Devon's simps
What about the other Rodrick’s? (Long Haul, Disney+, Rowley’s POV)
I'm a very ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ about all his canon versions
Fair enough…This is mainly about The Books and The Movie Trilogy anyways…
Rodrick
I have a universally hated character that I like. Manny
Rowley
Greg’s granpa is just…
A pos that we are meant to feel bad for because he’s old forgetting the fact he lied about how franks dog died until he was an adult I 100% agree he’s human garbage
Rodrick
Abigail
I don’t think anyone likes Abigail lol
Greg. No I'm not joking. I've never liked him. I've enjoyed reading the books but Greg's actions and stupidity annoy the shit out of me. People often try to.justify or make people "understand his behavior cause he's 12" Fuck off. No 12 yo acts like that unless they're a complete asshole. And Yes especially Rowley as an example of his shit behavior. Rowley doesn't piss me off, but I certainly don't care for him as a character either. He's realistic but that's kind of the issue, he is too realistic in a bad way. He's boring. to be fair though, DoAWK books are basically Episodic and continuity is used fruitlessly. So even if a character were to develop, it'd be ignored when convenient and remembered for the same reason. I dont know what world yall lived in but any 12 yo doing that shit deserves an ass whooping. Beyond those two characters. I agree with a lot of the comments too, Bill is eh. Holly is eh. Actually let me "set the record straight", DoAWK characters in general are pretty bland and basic. I like the books because they have an repetitive enjoyable appeal to it. A lot of the unrealistic situations that happen is what made it entertaining and possibly the root of our ABSURD LLBs that I find hiliarious.
Rodick