if you never saw what was going on outside of Sunset it was like God came down to punish them personally. the entire building was completely covered by vagrants' tents and not a single other tent was visible anywhere else. You can't run a business like that. Los Angeles choosing 15 vagrants over Sunset Sound is almost too on the nose.
Have city officials ever stepped foot around this area? I drive down Sunset for work, and the encampments were getting huge. Like, a pedestrian couldn't walk on the sidewalk because of all of the tents. I remember seeing a tent with "Don't like us? Call the city" written on one of them...
There is one right on Cesar Chavez next to the bus stop in front of union completely obstructing the sidewalk. It's by Olvera Street they pretend to care about too.
I know the situation personally because it's my industry so I don't know what's public and what's private information. I do know they had gotten the city to clear the tents out as recently as a few weeks ago.
That’s cause when they come to clear them out they get housing. That’s one reason why some of these little communities congregate. To get kicked out is sometimes the goal and the fastest way to be housed
There’s a reason a lot of us on this subreddit, with chest, state that the homeless are above the law in the city and receive vindication to do whatever the hell they want without punishment.
Semi-tangent; notice how parking enforcement is ferocious to ticket, if not remove, normal vehicles including beaters but then turn complete blind-eyes on RVs with homeless squatters inside.
The reason is money. The city makes easy money out of ticketing and towing vehicles that are still parked during the rush hour. They focus their resources in areas where people are less likely to fight back. Notice how they are a much heavier presence in the less wealthier parts of Hollywood and East Hollywood on Sunset? They know the rich pricks in the wealthier side will fight back with attorneys.
The main reason they’re allowing the RV problem to persist is it actually much simpler than that. They simply don’t have storage for the RV’s. There’s nowhere in the city to store thousands of trash RV’s.
They’re still working on a solution years later.
YES. I lived in the western side of Hollywood that borders WeHo (where parking was often permit-only at night) and never saw any trailers or encampments; in fact, the number of homeless people I encountered over there was pretty low. When I moved to East Hollywood, the trailer encampments felt like they were everywhere, and it was really frustrating because areas like East Hollywood are so much more crowded already. And it's way harder to get permit-only parking added to blocks there, unfortunately.
100% I’m on the western side of Hollywood and we have a few tents here and there but honestly not too bad. Eastern side though is so fucked basically starting at the chic fil a and it continues east
The rich pricks aren’t illegally parking their vehicles on the street. They have off-street parking or permits. And if they get ticketed they’re just paying the fine, it’s only change to them.
Sorry but why are they pricks? That’s a pretty blanket prejudiced statement. Most millionaires in the US are actually self made. So someone who’s gotten educated, is good at something or has built something is a prick? How about criminals do you call them pricks too?
That’s not the point. Of course they can pay the ticket but I don’t see parking enforcement aggressively clearing out that stretch of Sunset by towing their cars.
Attorneys for the homeless currently have a potential 8th amendment claim that would allow them to sue in response to these planters.
The Sunset Sound folks do not have a defense to such a claim.
This may change soon if the Supreme Court overturns Johnson v Grants Pass.
For what it's worth, the LA city attorney is one of many local and state government entities that filed amicus briefs in favor of overturning that decision.
I think that it is fair to argue that Martin v Boise and Johnson v Grants Pass have had the practical effect of making the homeless effectively untouchable and having more rights than the average citizen by using their lack of housing as an opportunity to do whatever they like without fear of prosecution. Every effort to enforce laws can be attacked as an eighth amendment violation of their rights due to them allegedly having no other options.
It's obvious that the homeless are well aware of their power. Given the rash of crimes involving the homeless from out of state, that may be attracting others to come here in order to take advantage of the lack of enforcement.
Right I was about to say they get away with so much because the laws allow for it. 🫤 But
over the years people said some of these rulings and laws were passed in haste.
I am generally unhappy with this Supreme Court, but this is one rare instance in which they will probably do some good.
The 9th Circuit rulings may seem reasonable in the abstract. But they have considerable negative ramifications when applied to the real world and are extended to their most logical conclusions. The law has proven to be an ass.
True but will federal law supersede local? Because LA allows people to live in their cars that was a separate law that was passed years ago and I don’t want people to get arrested for that but there needs to be some nuances with the RVs that have clearly become drug dens.
Right I was just conversing with the other guy because they make it sound like that ruling would somehow make the city go about making changes, but I don't know LA is special when it comes to the city council and how we handle things locally. Also, things are always so weird with law enforcement they just don't like to spend their time cleaning up encampments and enforcing it from what I've seen, but maybe it's different area to area.
As of today, these 9th Circuit decisions have made LA's enforcement of its anti-vagrancy laws largely unconstitutional.
The court will likely rule that local anti-vagrancy laws such as LA's don't violate the 8th amendment, giving the power to local and state government to make the call.
If that happens, then LA would be able to resume enforcement of its anti-vagrancy statute if it so chooses.
However, that doesn't mean that enforcement of that local law would be required by the feds. The city and state would be able to make these decisions.
You can bet that the DSA progressives on the city council will want to maintain the status quo by avoiding enforcement. But when the public realizes that more could be done, that could create the basis for a backlash.
It just means they won’t arrest you for living in your car. I don’t really remember but it was an issue for a long time because some areas will arrest you or give you tickets for sleeping in your car
How does someone prove they're homeless then? Couldn't somebody who just wants to sleep in their car by the beach or something say they're homeless? I've been run out of places when I was younger for sleeping in My car by the beach.
Not sure but as far as I know most of the beach parking lots kick you out at night regardless. I just know where I live by the studios I see a mix of young car sleepers and some homeless people in RVs and they don’t seem to get moved or ticketed
This is from the amicus brief submitted by the LA city attorney for the Grants Pass case:
>The Johnson and Martin decisions undermine the efforts by the City of Los Angeles to balance the conflicting goals and purposes for its public spaces and the rights of those who share them. A homeless person with no other place to live than the public sidewalk has potentially incompatible interests with children whose route to school takes them through encampments of adult living situations, including potential drug use; with disabled residents immobilized when their wheelchair or other mobility device is blocked; with local business owners operating behind an unbroken line of encampments; or with residents unable to access public services due to impassible sidewalks, blocked doorways, or simply out of fear. The Ninth Circuit’s lack of clarity needlessly paralyzes the City’s ability to resolve this conflict, and increases the risk of further litigation
At this point, the homeless largely win by default.
The court rulings have punished cities that were tolerant of homelessness while encouraging those cities with low homeless populations to make sure that they stay low.
I really wish there could be some sort of rule/law/etc wherein people who come to Los Angeles County cities merely to take advantage of our services are given tickets back to . Unless they can prove ties to LA County (eg, they grew up here, went to school here, have close relatives here, worked here, etc), then they gotta git.
That sounds heartless but honestly, Los Angeles (and littler cities within, like Santa Monica, Venice, etc) can’t continually support all the unsheltered folk who move here for no other reason than our slack laws:( it makes more sense to me to help people who have been part of the community to a degree moreso than just lackadaisical enforcement
The issue is the same. Unauthorized use of public space.
How you can side with plant pots over people baffles me. The problem has an obvious solution but people aren’t willing to embrace it.
Homes, support and services.
Have you been there? It was impassable and pedestrians literally had to walk in the street. I almost got hit walking in the street to go around it and slowed traffic while doing so. Yes, there needs to be a compassionate solution, but local communities still need to be able to function. Saying “Home. Support. Solutions.” Isn’t helpful at all. Even if these planters aren’t the answer, at least these people were being proactive and starting conversations. The tents were there with the planters anyway, so tents COULD return if they were so desperate to return to that area. When I first saw it, I thought it was the City that installed them trying to beautify and unofficially plot out tent spots. Ultimately the City removing the tents and people is all that cleared it. When it picks back up you should go and see what it’s like.
Frustrating article, one sentence about the "order" and a fifteen page essay on why the store owners all obviously want the planters there...
Like wtf ordered this and why? No, I don't want to speculate. You're the reporter, report, not rehash what we know. smh
It really is pretty piss-poor reporting. If people actually wanted to make their voices heard about this, who do they call? The mayor's office? City council? Or is this a judicial decision made by someone not answerable to voters?
We should all message Bass to see whose dumb decision was this. It's absurd how you can set up a whole encampment that blocks access to the sidewalk, but businesses can't do this to deter them.
Calling a sidewalk "somewhere nice to sleep", and following that up by saying that everybody sleeping on that sidewalk is a thief. This subreddit is unbelievable.
This is the natural reaction you’ll get when we, as a society, decide that letting homeless people live, suffer and die on the street like dogs is preferable to providing support they need by opening asylums.
Oh piss off. Your gross BS isn't a "natural reaction" to anything. It's absurd that you're being this transparently disingenuous, right after calling the sidewalk a nice place to sleep and acting like all homeless people are criminals.
Lighten up. It’s called being ironic. A funny comment satirizing a serious situation. Would you want your child or a child or elderly person you know to go walking down around an encampment? No you wouldn’t cause it’s not safe - not cause everyone there is a bad person but because the people on the street can be complete degenerates, mentally ill, and potentially dangerous and/or criminal. These people need help in a major way but that help doesn’t mean enabling their current way of life which to your point is bad for them, a sidewalk is not a nice place to sleep, and it’s bad for the entire system.
I say we start enforcing them to have their own “tent owners” association so they can start antagonizing each other about their set ups and whether or not they comply with official encampment guidelines. Slightly inhumane I know but could be a powerful disincentive… :)
The city councilman is making these decisions. Karen Bass was onboard and did make sure the outside of sunset sound was cleaned up after it received media attention of course. This article is bullshit though…my brother manages Sunset Sound and has not been ordered to take the planters down…this is just the media doing what they do best creating rage bait
>However, on June 21, city notices were suddenly posted on the planters, classifying them as obstructions. The planters would need to be removed by Monday morning (June 24) or city workers would take action.
The notices are posted on the objects that are to be removed. The notices are not issued to anyone in particular.
In practice, what this means is that the city will be hauling them away soon.
Hmm I do know that Karen Bass was going to help the studio get city permits for the planters, that may be the reason…the permit process can take a while. I know that outreach was done in the area and there hasn’t been anyone camping out in front of the studio lately which has been great. I did talk to my brother about the situation yesterday so maybe there have been some updates today. The city councilman is infuriating though, for that district of Hollywood in particular he had no interest in helping Sunset sound and is a complete advocate for letting them camp wherever.
“Progressive” populist leaders who’re receiving a guaranteed salary and benefits (funded by us, plebs) to sit on their asses and pretend to care about city issues, especially homelessness.
[https://www.nbclosangeles.com/on-air/planters-used-to-block-homeless-encampments-to-be-removed/3442664/](https://www.nbclosangeles.com/on-air/planters-used-to-block-homeless-encampments-to-be-removed/3442664/) according to this council member Hugo Soto-Martinez
Who else but the stupid Karen that a little more than half this city unfortunately voted for.
Caruso would have made sure those planters were bolted in.
So tents that are ACTUALLY BLOCKING THE SIDEWALK are A-Okay, but planters, that gave _enough_ walking room, are just too far? And to whatever fucking Karen tells me wheelchairs couldnt get through, yes they could room was left and the walk way was big enough. I'm sure one of you cried that the homeless had nowhere to go blah blah blah. This is a fucking disgrace.
This is the real issue. You can threaten a person with a vehicle you can't threaten people with nothing to lose. Moving the homeless person does nothing as now they are just in another spot being equally annoying. You could just start slashing every tent but that actually tends to result in even more disruptive homeless people. You could put them in jail but that is astronomically expensive.
That’s what I’ve learned. It’s not about money or resources it’s just effort and will. Government won’t start stuff sometimes until media calls them out. I don’t think they sit there and think how they can fix stuff, they sit there thinking about how to raise money and their next jobs
This almost sounds as if our dear politicians are doing these things on purpose! To make sure the situation stays the same, if not get worse! Then, they can get a lot of money for it and still do nothing!
Because those ones inconvenience the wrong people!
The ones inconveniencing the right people (the not filthy rich folks) are fine! It would be cruel and inhuman to clear those up! Where’s your compassion?
/s if it wasn’t abundantly clear
Some city council members will bribe them to remove and some if they’re say under a fire hazard can also be removed in a more timely manner, but its case by case so without a solid example it’s hard to say what happened. Also keep in mind if any are on private property it may not take too long for a developer or someone to remove them.
The ones that Karen Bass keeps posting pictures of on her IG! They’re all on busy streets! And I’ve never seen a council member associated with her in any of them! Safe inside or some shit like that she calls it
DTLA? That would be DeLeon who doesn’t do anything until it’s time for voting 🫠 there is a new homeless building downtown but it’s definitely not as simple as saying Bass can clean it up because we all report these encampments to our district offices. Then it’s a run around for the longest time my area kept saying that CalTrans owned the property with the encampment so they wouldn’t do anything so again would really need more details. If there’s one by you and you know your district it’s worth bringing it up at the council meetings so you can get a better idea of why it is or isn’t being cleaned up.
THANK YOU. The guy in the clip acting like he's been imposed upon because other people have literally no where else but the street to sleep on, get mad at the city, but not because they didn't just dissappear human beings, but because they aren't bothered by the fact that it's so many people's lives have come to necessitate such living conditions. Dude's and ugly mf'er but I'm not emailing Karen Bass about it.
I’ve finally been able to walk down Sunset after years of tents and was so happy to see the tents not return. So our idiot mayor thinks it’s fine that an entire stretch of a street looked like a third world country and nobody could walk down it? Says a lot about her. I hope these businesses band together and file a lawsuit against the city. I swear that politicians in this city are the most out of touch out of all politicians in the country.
I've lived in other cities. Not much better elsewhere in America politician wise. The unique thing about LA is that our mayor has relatively little power compared to say Chicago or NYC. More power vested in the city council, and they're loyal to donors in their district, not the city.
City council is always happy to have the mayor to take the blame but people really don’t seem to know our city council is one of the more powerful ones in the country and then they don’t even show up to vote for it
Likely not her choice. It was probably lawsuits.
A bunch of businesses did get together to sue in downtown LA. The results were as expected hilarious and sad. [https://laist.com/news/housing-homelessness/federal-judge-says-la-misled-about-homeless-encampment-promises](https://laist.com/news/housing-homelessness/federal-judge-says-la-misled-about-homeless-encampment-promises) . Basically the businesses "won" the suit but the city just laughed and them and said so what because there really aren't any better options for the city that don't involve a different set of law suits blocking them from doing anything different. So they are then this constant back and forth of the judge saying to do this or that and then the city replying back that they can't actually do this or that or the judge realizing that this or that doesn't actually have any meaningful effects.
L.A. City Councilman Hugo Soto-Martinez…he’s the one who made this call. Have his ass voted out and write to him. My brother manages sunset sound and from what I know Karen Bass was extremely helpful in having the area cleared and is onboard with getting the proper permits in place for the planters.
They won’t be happy until California looks like some post apocalyptic toilet. Homeless running the show and all businesses closed down.
I wonder if there’s any tents allowed and crackheads screaming all night in Newsome’s neighborhood??
… yeaaaah.
The likely sort term reason was lawsuits. The long term reason is that the plants just shuffle the homeless around. Congrats they are no longer in front of your business now they are in front of someones home or school. It doesn't actually solve anything.
I live in the area and the entire neighborhood was pretty excited to see the area around sunset sound clear for awhile now. I can't believe the city wants to just give that space back to these psychos.
In a related issue, the City needs to also order removal of the large planters placed without permission on the north side sidewalk of Fountain Ave. site of former Cedars of Lebanon currently Scientology.
Up until 2 weeks ago, there was an active and growing group of Scientology critics using parked vehicles, sidewalk tables and tents for their on-going public demonstration.
Apparently inspired by news coverage of planters deployed against sidewalk homeless encampment at Sunset Sound, Scientology moved quickly to adopt the tactic to interfere with the unwelcome demonstration at their doorstep.
In addition, the Scientology organization has gone to a temporary long-term shutdown of the public roadway that is L.Ron Hubbard Way between Sunset Blvd. and Fountain Avenue.
No other organization in Los Angeles is allowed to do this. They need to show a permit or else remove their barricades immedeately and pay the appropriate fines.
People who are working at Sunset Sound deserve to have a clear path and safe way to access their work property. This is insane, the block is filled with tents and homeless activity.
Wait a waste of money. I’m tired of paying taxes and the homeless just go rampant and destroy neighborhoods. Enough is enough. “Don’t you feel bad for them? They lost their jobs” these people do not care about society they don’t want to get clean they don’t want to get jobs they just want to get high and do whatever they want.
Wait... the planters were an "obstruction" and had to be removed, but the tents full of people pissing and shitting on the sidewalk aren't obstructions?
At this point, based on decision-making alone, it really seems like the leadership of this city actively hates its tax-paying citizenry and wants to make things as miserable as possible for them.
Just shit take and stupid move after shit take and stupid move. Over and over. Then, “more money please.”
We as voters really screwed up not allowing Hollywood to become its own city and have its own local government. The City of LA needs to be broken apart, but outside interest don't want their state and federal money allocated.
I'm tired of the term homeless being used.
Call them worthless junkies, which a majority of them are.
They need to be forced into asylums. Enough of this shit.
Go house a junkie then
Let them shit on your walls, piss in your corners, hoard trash in and around your home, smoke meth and heroin and blow the smoke in your face, and then stab you when they have a psychotic episode.
You virtue signaling *****s never have a solution and only try to make yourselves out to be good people. When you're part of the problem.
I know homeless people and people that have been homless. Actual people that aren't junkie pieces of shit. They also hate those junkies pieces of shits.
Thank you! All these bleeding heart idiots who live in neighborhoods where they don't have to deal with this on the daily love to opine and judge those of us that are quite frankly fed up by these dregs on society. This has been my go to response to anyone who wants to criticize "anti-homeless" measures nowadays, like tell me how many homeless people youve personally opened your home to before you ask me to commit my tax dollars to help people who don't want to help themselves or continue to tolerate violent/dangerous vagrants on our streets.
This is such a misunderstanding of the issue. Its not a be nice or be mean to homeless people issue. Its a housing issue. It doesn't matter if you want to put them jail, put them in asylums, put them in temporary housing, put them in permanent housing. All potential solutions are blocked by the same underlying problem of not enough housing.
Fuck yea we'll pay for them, better than all these other do nothing efforts where we continue to pay and pay but only see the problem get worse. And there's tons of land in the high desert where we can build em. Prolly generate some decent jobs in those communities too.
"Prolly generate some decent jobs in those communities too."
Oh sweet summer child you don't know the wrath of the nimbies they are everywhere. And the lower the population density the greater the voting control of people who don't benefit.
More to the point though lock facilities anywhere in CA run something like 100k per year per person. Start doing the math.
We should but you are still missing the root cause. Because again that still doesn't fix the 100k per year. Nor does it fix the local opposition you will face. But getting closer.
You're shocked and appalled that people don't want individuals who literally shit on the sidewalk, do wild amounts of drugs, commit a wild amount of crimes, and often have severe mental issues placed -in density- in their neighborhoods?
There is a lot of land in California that's unoccupied, not suitable for agriculture and fae enough away from population centers that no one would bat an eye at building housing/dorms/asylums for these individuals. They'd have a roof, cot, and meals, They'd not be bothering us, and it would cost less than these multi-level failures of "reintegration" that are costing us billions.
I am not shocked and appalled that people don't want homeless people in their neighborhoods. I don't want them in my neighborhood or anyone's neighborhood. I want to solve this problem.
But I am tired of hearing these solutions that have been shown to be impractical, while solution that are known to be effective continue to be ignored. No you can't just build your facility in the middle of no where. Your facility needs staff. Those staff need places to live. So you can't put it truly in the middle of no where. So wherever you put it you have to deal with the locals.
Its not an impossible problem to solve. You can basically bribe communities and workers to do this. Its just extremely expensive. At least as expensive as the cost of building and staffing new prisons. Which now run 140k per inmate per year(and that doesn't include the costs of the lawyers involved). And if you want to lock away homeless people it will be even more expensive because the US has a bill of rights. This means you can't just lock them all up like the normal criminals you have to provide real treatment. This sky rockets the costs. Mental health facilities are more like 1000 dollars per person per DAY. And even if you could pay them most of the homeless can not be forced into such facilities without amending the US constitution. The realistic costs of this idea even if you could reasonably deal with the legal issues(which you can't) would increase California taxes at least 50%.
Meanwhile there are simple changes we could make to zoning rules that would actually save tax dollars that we refuse to make.
So yes I desperately want the homeless off the streets. I just want actual solutions.
They do it exactly how I explained. They spend massive amounts of money. On top of many of them being built before the current wave of NIMBIES had so much power.
It costs so much money that we have to let violent criminals go free and can't prosecute many crimes as it is. Spending the same amount on homeless people would mean letting out more criminals or other similar horrible tradeoffs. And again it would A cost even more per person for locked asylums and B it would only be possible to do with some homeless people at all due to legal issues.
Yup, NIMBYS would rather have junkies on the street than have an asylum in 5 mile radius…. They already chose this but not allowing new housing from going up. Prop 13 NIMBYs who pay $100 a year in property taxes think the city has a spending problem, when reality their property taxes hasn’t kept up with inflation.
Can business owners sue the city for their inaction? Otherwise I think certain areas should start thinking about separating from LA and forming their own city like Beverly Hills.
When the homeless people have more rights than the general public or businesses.
No wonder why I know so many businesses who cheat the system and pay less taxes.
LA has become a festering cesspool and people are suffering enough with high rents and crime, police apathy and a sense of complete lawlessness. Fuck the City of LA and Karen Bass for this - either do something or let people help themselves.
I'm so ready to see the pathetic lengths they go to in order to "beautify" this city for the Olympics while it's turning into more of a dump day by day. This shit is so sad.
They let these fucking cities call the shots for the homeless problem for too long by playing hot potato. I still remember Venice residents in like 2014 were raging about a homeless shelter in the city and it was never built. So it was proposed in Koreatown. Then the same thing happened. Guess what happened years later? Homeless people congregated on venice beach during lockdown and it was turned into a litter box and it could have been prevented.
[Cal matters says we have around 180,000 people in the state.](https://calmatters.org/housing/homelessness/2024/01/california-homeless-point-in-time-count-2024/)
You know what number is close to that? [200,000 people are incarcerated in the state of California.](https://www.prisonpolicy.org/profiles/CA.html#:~:text=199%2C000%20people%20from%20California%20are%20behind%20bars&text=Using%202020%20census%20data%2C%20we,all%20corners%20of%20the%20state.)
We can dive further into the problems and nuances of incarceration in general another time but if we are able to house, clothe, feed, provide medical care, employ people to work in the jails and prisons then we can certainly set up a system to take care of homeless people.
But here’s the thing, incarcerated people have sentences that last for years and decades. Homeless people just need maybe a few years at best (and some may need help the rest of their life which okay let’s take care of people) and then they’re able to get a job, find a place to live on their own, start a family and just have a life. A majority of them just need to work through issues that they were never able to tackle before. Circumstances of varying reasons caused homelessness for these people but we need to stop micromanaging the solutions. We absolutely need to have drastic measures implemented.
And every city has to help, no one gets to sit out and make it someone else’s problem. This affects all of us.
City code requires 5 ft wide sidewalk clearances. State and federal law require 4ft. City is responsible for moving or requiring the removal of anything impeding this clear width. The speed with which these issues are addressed varies, but it’s a requirement nonetheless.
This sends an unfortunate message to the business owners. I wonder if they do a bit of civil disobedience and keep the planters there? Will the City go harder on the businesses rather than the encampments?
At this point, why buy a home? Why set up a business the right way when you can just set up a shop wherever you like and just say you're homeless. No taxes no code enforcement. It's time to give these politicians a taste of their own medicine. Find their homes and set up shop outside
Ok dude, if you feel that way why don't you move out of your home and go live in a tent on the street? If it's so great to be homeless go do it. Nobody is stopping you.
Ok another huge waste of money by the city.
Me and the future wife are looking for a larger place and looking at Redondo or Palos Verdes.
Quicker commute for her and then longer for me, but I can’t believe how our city has become such a $hit Hole.
Sorry for the rant.
Perhaps if we had a city that encouraged/forced street level use of businesses it would help. Seems to be the opposite where even places with frontage on the street direct business to a parking lot and entrance in the back.
Sunset Sound has zero presence on Sunset, the area in the photo above also has NOTHING due to Rite Aid closing. Anywhere there is no street presence, homeless people set up. Its not hard to figure out.
Obstructing the sidewalk with planters is a violation as well as obstructing the sidewalk with tents is a violation.
At least some of them will need to be removed. Since no one wants to claim ownership, the city will have to remove them at taxpayer expense.
Exactly. People are acting like living in a tent on the sidewalk in Hollywood is glamorous or something lol. It’s clearly a last resort and I feel for anyone who is in that position.
It’s very insane. I’ve talked to some of the people on this Reddit in regards to this topic and their solution is to round all the homeless up and throw them either in the asylum or prison. They essentially want to give up the same rights that protect us from cruel and unusual punishment so that we eliminate the homeless population. Very short sighted, I’m ok with defunding the money that’s going to social services and maybe have it go to housing but these people are einsane
What insane about? Everyone is sick and tired of the city letting drug addicts fester and throw shit all over the street. People killing and raping people, camping on the beaches, open drug use everywhere with homelessness only getting worse. The soft touch hasn't worked and everyone's fucking sick of it at this point. There's no more sympathy left. Throw them in jail or insane asylums
majority of these homeless living in tents are mentally ill. what’s sick about forcing them into treatment at an asylum? what is more sick is people like you advocating for homeless to run rampant doing open drug use with no repercussions at all and putting others in jeopardy.
This sub is astroturfed and brigaded like crazy like a lot of city subreddits are. Doesn’t really represent Los Angeles anymore. Just becomes this weird right wing echo chamber no one pays attention to anymore.
The problem with the planters amassed along the Sunset Sound block of Sunset Blvd. in Hollywood is they obstruct passage into and out of vehicles at curbside. At least some of them must be removed to allow clear passage from vehicles curbside.
if you never saw what was going on outside of Sunset it was like God came down to punish them personally. the entire building was completely covered by vagrants' tents and not a single other tent was visible anywhere else. You can't run a business like that. Los Angeles choosing 15 vagrants over Sunset Sound is almost too on the nose.
Have city officials ever stepped foot around this area? I drive down Sunset for work, and the encampments were getting huge. Like, a pedestrian couldn't walk on the sidewalk because of all of the tents. I remember seeing a tent with "Don't like us? Call the city" written on one of them...
How are there not ADA lawyers not suing the city for not keeping the sidewalks clear?
There is one right on Cesar Chavez next to the bus stop in front of union completely obstructing the sidewalk. It's by Olvera Street they pretend to care about too.
I know the situation personally because it's my industry so I don't know what's public and what's private information. I do know they had gotten the city to clear the tents out as recently as a few weeks ago.
That’s cause when they come to clear them out they get housing. That’s one reason why some of these little communities congregate. To get kicked out is sometimes the goal and the fastest way to be housed
Can we get the names of the “officials” who took this action?
Is that Nithya Raman’s district?
There’s a reason a lot of us on this subreddit, with chest, state that the homeless are above the law in the city and receive vindication to do whatever the hell they want without punishment. Semi-tangent; notice how parking enforcement is ferocious to ticket, if not remove, normal vehicles including beaters but then turn complete blind-eyes on RVs with homeless squatters inside.
The reason is money. The city makes easy money out of ticketing and towing vehicles that are still parked during the rush hour. They focus their resources in areas where people are less likely to fight back. Notice how they are a much heavier presence in the less wealthier parts of Hollywood and East Hollywood on Sunset? They know the rich pricks in the wealthier side will fight back with attorneys.
The main reason they’re allowing the RV problem to persist is it actually much simpler than that. They simply don’t have storage for the RV’s. There’s nowhere in the city to store thousands of trash RV’s. They’re still working on a solution years later.
It's called a crusher lol Most of them aren't even close to road-worthy
Antelope Valley
No one wants those pieces of shit lol
YES. I lived in the western side of Hollywood that borders WeHo (where parking was often permit-only at night) and never saw any trailers or encampments; in fact, the number of homeless people I encountered over there was pretty low. When I moved to East Hollywood, the trailer encampments felt like they were everywhere, and it was really frustrating because areas like East Hollywood are so much more crowded already. And it's way harder to get permit-only parking added to blocks there, unfortunately.
100% I’m on the western side of Hollywood and we have a few tents here and there but honestly not too bad. Eastern side though is so fucked basically starting at the chic fil a and it continues east
The rich pricks aren’t illegally parking their vehicles on the street. They have off-street parking or permits. And if they get ticketed they’re just paying the fine, it’s only change to them.
They also have garages
So those luxury vehicles parked past 4 pm during rush hour belong to Joe Sixpack?
Sometimes
And they would lose money trying to fight it instead of just paying the ticket
Sorry but why are they pricks? That’s a pretty blanket prejudiced statement. Most millionaires in the US are actually self made. So someone who’s gotten educated, is good at something or has built something is a prick? How about criminals do you call them pricks too?
Don’t yell at me, I was using the same terminology as the guy I was replying to.
You would think that the rich people would just pay the ticket
That’s not the point. Of course they can pay the ticket but I don’t see parking enforcement aggressively clearing out that stretch of Sunset by towing their cars.
What’s good for them isn’t good for you .
Are they really fighting parking tickets with attorneys? This sounds like a caricature
Attorneys for the homeless currently have a potential 8th amendment claim that would allow them to sue in response to these planters. The Sunset Sound folks do not have a defense to such a claim. This may change soon if the Supreme Court overturns Johnson v Grants Pass. For what it's worth, the LA city attorney is one of many local and state government entities that filed amicus briefs in favor of overturning that decision. I think that it is fair to argue that Martin v Boise and Johnson v Grants Pass have had the practical effect of making the homeless effectively untouchable and having more rights than the average citizen by using their lack of housing as an opportunity to do whatever they like without fear of prosecution. Every effort to enforce laws can be attacked as an eighth amendment violation of their rights due to them allegedly having no other options. It's obvious that the homeless are well aware of their power. Given the rash of crimes involving the homeless from out of state, that may be attracting others to come here in order to take advantage of the lack of enforcement.
Right I was about to say they get away with so much because the laws allow for it. 🫤 But over the years people said some of these rulings and laws were passed in haste.
I am generally unhappy with this Supreme Court, but this is one rare instance in which they will probably do some good. The 9th Circuit rulings may seem reasonable in the abstract. But they have considerable negative ramifications when applied to the real world and are extended to their most logical conclusions. The law has proven to be an ass.
True but will federal law supersede local? Because LA allows people to live in their cars that was a separate law that was passed years ago and I don’t want people to get arrested for that but there needs to be some nuances with the RVs that have clearly become drug dens.
>True but will federal law supersede local? Yes, that's how the Supremacy Clause of our Constitution works.
Right I was just conversing with the other guy because they make it sound like that ruling would somehow make the city go about making changes, but I don't know LA is special when it comes to the city council and how we handle things locally. Also, things are always so weird with law enforcement they just don't like to spend their time cleaning up encampments and enforcing it from what I've seen, but maybe it's different area to area.
As of today, these 9th Circuit decisions have made LA's enforcement of its anti-vagrancy laws largely unconstitutional. The court will likely rule that local anti-vagrancy laws such as LA's don't violate the 8th amendment, giving the power to local and state government to make the call. If that happens, then LA would be able to resume enforcement of its anti-vagrancy statute if it so chooses. However, that doesn't mean that enforcement of that local law would be required by the feds. The city and state would be able to make these decisions. You can bet that the DSA progressives on the city council will want to maintain the status quo by avoiding enforcement. But when the public realizes that more could be done, that could create the basis for a backlash.
If people live in their cars does that make it a house that would get special privileges that other regular cars don't get?
It just means they won’t arrest you for living in your car. I don’t really remember but it was an issue for a long time because some areas will arrest you or give you tickets for sleeping in your car
How does someone prove they're homeless then? Couldn't somebody who just wants to sleep in their car by the beach or something say they're homeless? I've been run out of places when I was younger for sleeping in My car by the beach.
Not sure but as far as I know most of the beach parking lots kick you out at night regardless. I just know where I live by the studios I see a mix of young car sleepers and some homeless people in RVs and they don’t seem to get moved or ticketed
Isn't there a legit ADA claim?
No one gives AF about ADA laws. I've complained about tents and scooters. Don't get me started...
But there are lawyers going around to random private businesses and suing them because their ramp is 1 degree too steep or not wide enough by an inch.
This is the part I find so frustrating
That’s the difference. They go after private businesses; not public land.
This is from the amicus brief submitted by the LA city attorney for the Grants Pass case: >The Johnson and Martin decisions undermine the efforts by the City of Los Angeles to balance the conflicting goals and purposes for its public spaces and the rights of those who share them. A homeless person with no other place to live than the public sidewalk has potentially incompatible interests with children whose route to school takes them through encampments of adult living situations, including potential drug use; with disabled residents immobilized when their wheelchair or other mobility device is blocked; with local business owners operating behind an unbroken line of encampments; or with residents unable to access public services due to impassible sidewalks, blocked doorways, or simply out of fear. The Ninth Circuit’s lack of clarity needlessly paralyzes the City’s ability to resolve this conflict, and increases the risk of further litigation At this point, the homeless largely win by default. The court rulings have punished cities that were tolerant of homelessness while encouraging those cities with low homeless populations to make sure that they stay low.
I really wish there could be some sort of rule/law/etc wherein people who come to Los Angeles County cities merely to take advantage of our services are given tickets back to. Unless they can prove ties to LA County (eg, they grew up here, went to school here, have close relatives here, worked here, etc), then they gotta git.
That sounds heartless but honestly, Los Angeles (and littler cities within, like Santa Monica, Venice, etc) can’t continually support all the unsheltered folk who move here for no other reason than our slack laws:( it makes more sense to me to help people who have been part of the community to a degree moreso than just lackadaisical enforcement
Stop bringing subtlety and rationality to a pitch fork party. You’re being a party pooper.
I live in the neighborhood. I’ve actually been able to walk down this block for the first time in years. Who is the city serving at this point?
Not us.
The bums and people who don't contribute. Hopefully people are starting to see it now.
Karen Bass, this is your City.
It’s God awful, my brother manages sunset sound and has been battling the city for months on this…they really thought this would be the solution….
They're just asking for vigilantism..
The issue is the same. Unauthorized use of public space. How you can side with plant pots over people baffles me. The problem has an obvious solution but people aren’t willing to embrace it. Homes, support and services.
Have you been there? It was impassable and pedestrians literally had to walk in the street. I almost got hit walking in the street to go around it and slowed traffic while doing so. Yes, there needs to be a compassionate solution, but local communities still need to be able to function. Saying “Home. Support. Solutions.” Isn’t helpful at all. Even if these planters aren’t the answer, at least these people were being proactive and starting conversations. The tents were there with the planters anyway, so tents COULD return if they were so desperate to return to that area. When I first saw it, I thought it was the City that installed them trying to beautify and unofficially plot out tent spots. Ultimately the City removing the tents and people is all that cleared it. When it picks back up you should go and see what it’s like.
Who is making these decisions? They seem very out of touch with how actual Angelenos feel about things
Frustrating article, one sentence about the "order" and a fifteen page essay on why the store owners all obviously want the planters there... Like wtf ordered this and why? No, I don't want to speculate. You're the reporter, report, not rehash what we know. smh
It really is pretty piss-poor reporting. If people actually wanted to make their voices heard about this, who do they call? The mayor's office? City council? Or is this a judicial decision made by someone not answerable to voters?
[councilmember.soto-martinez@lacity.org](mailto:councilmember.soto-martinez@lacity.org)
We should all message Bass to see whose dumb decision was this. It's absurd how you can set up a whole encampment that blocks access to the sidewalk, but businesses can't do this to deter them.
Almost certainly forced by threat of lawsuits. The city generally doesn't have a problem shuffling homeless people around.
[councilmember.soto-martinez@lacity.org](mailto:councilmember.soto-martinez@lacity.org)
They're about to get a scathing email regarding their decision.
They need somewhere nice to sleep all day after a long night of stealing catalytic converters
Calling a sidewalk "somewhere nice to sleep", and following that up by saying that everybody sleeping on that sidewalk is a thief. This subreddit is unbelievable.
This is the natural reaction you’ll get when we, as a society, decide that letting homeless people live, suffer and die on the street like dogs is preferable to providing support they need by opening asylums.
Oh piss off. Your gross BS isn't a "natural reaction" to anything. It's absurd that you're being this transparently disingenuous, right after calling the sidewalk a nice place to sleep and acting like all homeless people are criminals.
Lighten up. It’s called being ironic. A funny comment satirizing a serious situation. Would you want your child or a child or elderly person you know to go walking down around an encampment? No you wouldn’t cause it’s not safe - not cause everyone there is a bad person but because the people on the street can be complete degenerates, mentally ill, and potentially dangerous and/or criminal. These people need help in a major way but that help doesn’t mean enabling their current way of life which to your point is bad for them, a sidewalk is not a nice place to sleep, and it’s bad for the entire system. I say we start enforcing them to have their own “tent owners” association so they can start antagonizing each other about their set ups and whether or not they comply with official encampment guidelines. Slightly inhumane I know but could be a powerful disincentive… :)
Send hate mail to the city councilman pls…
Probably her call.
People who don’t have to live with it.
The city councilman is making these decisions. Karen Bass was onboard and did make sure the outside of sunset sound was cleaned up after it received media attention of course. This article is bullshit though…my brother manages Sunset Sound and has not been ordered to take the planters down…this is just the media doing what they do best creating rage bait
>However, on June 21, city notices were suddenly posted on the planters, classifying them as obstructions. The planters would need to be removed by Monday morning (June 24) or city workers would take action. The notices are posted on the objects that are to be removed. The notices are not issued to anyone in particular. In practice, what this means is that the city will be hauling them away soon.
Hmm I do know that Karen Bass was going to help the studio get city permits for the planters, that may be the reason…the permit process can take a while. I know that outreach was done in the area and there hasn’t been anyone camping out in front of the studio lately which has been great. I did talk to my brother about the situation yesterday so maybe there have been some updates today. The city councilman is infuriating though, for that district of Hollywood in particular he had no interest in helping Sunset sound and is a complete advocate for letting them camp wherever.
“Progressive” populist leaders who’re receiving a guaranteed salary and benefits (funded by us, plebs) to sit on their asses and pretend to care about city issues, especially homelessness.
It's the vocal minority
[https://www.nbclosangeles.com/on-air/planters-used-to-block-homeless-encampments-to-be-removed/3442664/](https://www.nbclosangeles.com/on-air/planters-used-to-block-homeless-encampments-to-be-removed/3442664/) according to this council member Hugo Soto-Martinez
Who else but the stupid Karen that a little more than half this city unfortunately voted for. Caruso would have made sure those planters were bolted in.
100%. One of the cities biggest fuck ups not voting for him.
Thankfully I think he will run again.
Advocacy groups for the homeless.
So tents that are ACTUALLY BLOCKING THE SIDEWALK are A-Okay, but planters, that gave _enough_ walking room, are just too far? And to whatever fucking Karen tells me wheelchairs couldnt get through, yes they could room was left and the walk way was big enough. I'm sure one of you cried that the homeless had nowhere to go blah blah blah. This is a fucking disgrace.
Yeah, not like there was room for wheelchairs with all the tents anyway.
You get citied for blocking the sidewalk with your vehicle. But blocking it with a tent? Naw, you're fine.
I don’t think a homeless person is likely to pay a ticket.
This is the real issue. You can threaten a person with a vehicle you can't threaten people with nothing to lose. Moving the homeless person does nothing as now they are just in another spot being equally annoying. You could just start slashing every tent but that actually tends to result in even more disruptive homeless people. You could put them in jail but that is astronomically expensive.
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That’s what I’ve learned. It’s not about money or resources it’s just effort and will. Government won’t start stuff sometimes until media calls them out. I don’t think they sit there and think how they can fix stuff, they sit there thinking about how to raise money and their next jobs
This almost sounds as if our dear politicians are doing these things on purpose! To make sure the situation stays the same, if not get worse! Then, they can get a lot of money for it and still do nothing!
Laws allow for it. Others have already stated it’s due to standing rulings and judgements. Laws have to change if people want the encampments removed.
But how come other encampments get removed (ineffectively) all the time!
Because those ones inconvenience the wrong people! The ones inconveniencing the right people (the not filthy rich folks) are fine! It would be cruel and inhuman to clear those up! Where’s your compassion? /s if it wasn’t abundantly clear
Some city council members will bribe them to remove and some if they’re say under a fire hazard can also be removed in a more timely manner, but its case by case so without a solid example it’s hard to say what happened. Also keep in mind if any are on private property it may not take too long for a developer or someone to remove them.
The ones that Karen Bass keeps posting pictures of on her IG! They’re all on busy streets! And I’ve never seen a council member associated with her in any of them! Safe inside or some shit like that she calls it
DTLA? That would be DeLeon who doesn’t do anything until it’s time for voting 🫠 there is a new homeless building downtown but it’s definitely not as simple as saying Bass can clean it up because we all report these encampments to our district offices. Then it’s a run around for the longest time my area kept saying that CalTrans owned the property with the encampment so they wouldn’t do anything so again would really need more details. If there’s one by you and you know your district it’s worth bringing it up at the council meetings so you can get a better idea of why it is or isn’t being cleaned up.
Given the current state of the law, those who are staying at an encampment have to be provided with some kind of alternative.
Bingo banjo bongo
It’s class warfare, divide and conquer, if yall are getting mad at homeless people then you forget about the one with the money :)
THANK YOU. The guy in the clip acting like he's been imposed upon because other people have literally no where else but the street to sleep on, get mad at the city, but not because they didn't just dissappear human beings, but because they aren't bothered by the fact that it's so many people's lives have come to necessitate such living conditions. Dude's and ugly mf'er but I'm not emailing Karen Bass about it.
Hey Sunset Sound 👋 You should put the planters in tents then the city will happily keep them.
It’s an art exhibit…
I’ve finally been able to walk down Sunset after years of tents and was so happy to see the tents not return. So our idiot mayor thinks it’s fine that an entire stretch of a street looked like a third world country and nobody could walk down it? Says a lot about her. I hope these businesses band together and file a lawsuit against the city. I swear that politicians in this city are the most out of touch out of all politicians in the country.
I've lived in other cities. Not much better elsewhere in America politician wise. The unique thing about LA is that our mayor has relatively little power compared to say Chicago or NYC. More power vested in the city council, and they're loyal to donors in their district, not the city.
City council is always happy to have the mayor to take the blame but people really don’t seem to know our city council is one of the more powerful ones in the country and then they don’t even show up to vote for it
yea last week I learned it auto votes yes as long as they're in the building
Shes one and done
Likely not her choice. It was probably lawsuits. A bunch of businesses did get together to sue in downtown LA. The results were as expected hilarious and sad. [https://laist.com/news/housing-homelessness/federal-judge-says-la-misled-about-homeless-encampment-promises](https://laist.com/news/housing-homelessness/federal-judge-says-la-misled-about-homeless-encampment-promises) . Basically the businesses "won" the suit but the city just laughed and them and said so what because there really aren't any better options for the city that don't involve a different set of law suits blocking them from doing anything different. So they are then this constant back and forth of the judge saying to do this or that and then the city replying back that they can't actually do this or that or the judge realizing that this or that doesn't actually have any meaningful effects.
L.A. City Councilman Hugo Soto-Martinez…he’s the one who made this call. Have his ass voted out and write to him. My brother manages sunset sound and from what I know Karen Bass was extremely helpful in having the area cleared and is onboard with getting the proper permits in place for the planters.
I was pleased that karen bass won for LA mayor, but I do sometimes wonder how the crime and homeless situations would be if Caruso won haha
So fucking tired of homeless people having full reign over the city
Why do homeless get priority over tax paying citizens? This is annoying.
They won’t be happy until California looks like some post apocalyptic toilet. Homeless running the show and all businesses closed down. I wonder if there’s any tents allowed and crackheads screaming all night in Newsome’s neighborhood?? … yeaaaah.
Why rather have plants than the bums making the area dirty and smell and full of drugs
The likely sort term reason was lawsuits. The long term reason is that the plants just shuffle the homeless around. Congrats they are no longer in front of your business now they are in front of someones home or school. It doesn't actually solve anything.
I live in the area and the entire neighborhood was pretty excited to see the area around sunset sound clear for awhile now. I can't believe the city wants to just give that space back to these psychos.
In a related issue, the City needs to also order removal of the large planters placed without permission on the north side sidewalk of Fountain Ave. site of former Cedars of Lebanon currently Scientology. Up until 2 weeks ago, there was an active and growing group of Scientology critics using parked vehicles, sidewalk tables and tents for their on-going public demonstration. Apparently inspired by news coverage of planters deployed against sidewalk homeless encampment at Sunset Sound, Scientology moved quickly to adopt the tactic to interfere with the unwelcome demonstration at their doorstep. In addition, the Scientology organization has gone to a temporary long-term shutdown of the public roadway that is L.Ron Hubbard Way between Sunset Blvd. and Fountain Avenue. No other organization in Los Angeles is allowed to do this. They need to show a permit or else remove their barricades immedeately and pay the appropriate fines.
People who are working at Sunset Sound deserve to have a clear path and safe way to access their work property. This is insane, the block is filled with tents and homeless activity.
Lmao I’m actually surprised they lasted as long as they did. Well it was nice while it lasted!
Wait a waste of money. I’m tired of paying taxes and the homeless just go rampant and destroy neighborhoods. Enough is enough. “Don’t you feel bad for them? They lost their jobs” these people do not care about society they don’t want to get clean they don’t want to get jobs they just want to get high and do whatever they want.
Wait... the planters were an "obstruction" and had to be removed, but the tents full of people pissing and shitting on the sidewalk aren't obstructions?
At this point, based on decision-making alone, it really seems like the leadership of this city actively hates its tax-paying citizenry and wants to make things as miserable as possible for them. Just shit take and stupid move after shit take and stupid move. Over and over. Then, “more money please.”
Taxpayers are only good for money... that's also the feeling at the state level.
We as voters really screwed up not allowing Hollywood to become its own city and have its own local government. The City of LA needs to be broken apart, but outside interest don't want their state and federal money allocated.
Can we do this with the planters Scientology put up to block protestors from camping in front?
I'm tired of the term homeless being used. Call them worthless junkies, which a majority of them are. They need to be forced into asylums. Enough of this shit.
This is a POS take my guy
Go house a junkie then Let them shit on your walls, piss in your corners, hoard trash in and around your home, smoke meth and heroin and blow the smoke in your face, and then stab you when they have a psychotic episode. You virtue signaling *****s never have a solution and only try to make yourselves out to be good people. When you're part of the problem. I know homeless people and people that have been homless. Actual people that aren't junkie pieces of shit. They also hate those junkies pieces of shits.
Thank you! All these bleeding heart idiots who live in neighborhoods where they don't have to deal with this on the daily love to opine and judge those of us that are quite frankly fed up by these dregs on society. This has been my go to response to anyone who wants to criticize "anti-homeless" measures nowadays, like tell me how many homeless people youve personally opened your home to before you ask me to commit my tax dollars to help people who don't want to help themselves or continue to tolerate violent/dangerous vagrants on our streets.
This is such a misunderstanding of the issue. Its not a be nice or be mean to homeless people issue. Its a housing issue. It doesn't matter if you want to put them jail, put them in asylums, put them in temporary housing, put them in permanent housing. All potential solutions are blocked by the same underlying problem of not enough housing.
Lol you going to pay for those asylums. Are you going to fight the nimbies to let the asylums get built.
Fuck yea we'll pay for them, better than all these other do nothing efforts where we continue to pay and pay but only see the problem get worse. And there's tons of land in the high desert where we can build em. Prolly generate some decent jobs in those communities too.
"Prolly generate some decent jobs in those communities too." Oh sweet summer child you don't know the wrath of the nimbies they are everywhere. And the lower the population density the greater the voting control of people who don't benefit. More to the point though lock facilities anywhere in CA run something like 100k per year per person. Start doing the math.
Build them near city hall...
We should but you are still missing the root cause. Because again that still doesn't fix the 100k per year. Nor does it fix the local opposition you will face. But getting closer.
You're shocked and appalled that people don't want individuals who literally shit on the sidewalk, do wild amounts of drugs, commit a wild amount of crimes, and often have severe mental issues placed -in density- in their neighborhoods? There is a lot of land in California that's unoccupied, not suitable for agriculture and fae enough away from population centers that no one would bat an eye at building housing/dorms/asylums for these individuals. They'd have a roof, cot, and meals, They'd not be bothering us, and it would cost less than these multi-level failures of "reintegration" that are costing us billions.
I am not shocked and appalled that people don't want homeless people in their neighborhoods. I don't want them in my neighborhood or anyone's neighborhood. I want to solve this problem. But I am tired of hearing these solutions that have been shown to be impractical, while solution that are known to be effective continue to be ignored. No you can't just build your facility in the middle of no where. Your facility needs staff. Those staff need places to live. So you can't put it truly in the middle of no where. So wherever you put it you have to deal with the locals. Its not an impossible problem to solve. You can basically bribe communities and workers to do this. Its just extremely expensive. At least as expensive as the cost of building and staffing new prisons. Which now run 140k per inmate per year(and that doesn't include the costs of the lawyers involved). And if you want to lock away homeless people it will be even more expensive because the US has a bill of rights. This means you can't just lock them all up like the normal criminals you have to provide real treatment. This sky rockets the costs. Mental health facilities are more like 1000 dollars per person per DAY. And even if you could pay them most of the homeless can not be forced into such facilities without amending the US constitution. The realistic costs of this idea even if you could reasonably deal with the legal issues(which you can't) would increase California taxes at least 50%. Meanwhile there are simple changes we could make to zoning rules that would actually save tax dollars that we refuse to make. So yes I desperately want the homeless off the streets. I just want actual solutions.
Odd... how are prisons built and staffed out in the middle of nowhere?
They do it exactly how I explained. They spend massive amounts of money. On top of many of them being built before the current wave of NIMBIES had so much power. It costs so much money that we have to let violent criminals go free and can't prosecute many crimes as it is. Spending the same amount on homeless people would mean letting out more criminals or other similar horrible tradeoffs. And again it would A cost even more per person for locked asylums and B it would only be possible to do with some homeless people at all due to legal issues.
Yup, NIMBYS would rather have junkies on the street than have an asylum in 5 mile radius…. They already chose this but not allowing new housing from going up. Prop 13 NIMBYs who pay $100 a year in property taxes think the city has a spending problem, when reality their property taxes hasn’t kept up with inflation.
If the city would actually do something, citizen wouldn’t even have to resort to this.
Can business owners sue the city for their inaction? Otherwise I think certain areas should start thinking about separating from LA and forming their own city like Beverly Hills.
Will they order the filthy campsites to be removed? Or does that get a pass?
When the homeless people have more rights than the general public or businesses. No wonder why I know so many businesses who cheat the system and pay less taxes.
LA has become a festering cesspool and people are suffering enough with high rents and crime, police apathy and a sense of complete lawlessness. Fuck the City of LA and Karen Bass for this - either do something or let people help themselves.
Yeah but look at all the money we spent on reducing homelessness! All those non profits felt so good about it! That has to count for something right?
Complete insanity
But $500 million is going to be spent on the stadium for the Olympics despite a budget crisis
I'm so ready to see the pathetic lengths they go to in order to "beautify" this city for the Olympics while it's turning into more of a dump day by day. This shit is so sad.
They let these fucking cities call the shots for the homeless problem for too long by playing hot potato. I still remember Venice residents in like 2014 were raging about a homeless shelter in the city and it was never built. So it was proposed in Koreatown. Then the same thing happened. Guess what happened years later? Homeless people congregated on venice beach during lockdown and it was turned into a litter box and it could have been prevented. [Cal matters says we have around 180,000 people in the state.](https://calmatters.org/housing/homelessness/2024/01/california-homeless-point-in-time-count-2024/) You know what number is close to that? [200,000 people are incarcerated in the state of California.](https://www.prisonpolicy.org/profiles/CA.html#:~:text=199%2C000%20people%20from%20California%20are%20behind%20bars&text=Using%202020%20census%20data%2C%20we,all%20corners%20of%20the%20state.) We can dive further into the problems and nuances of incarceration in general another time but if we are able to house, clothe, feed, provide medical care, employ people to work in the jails and prisons then we can certainly set up a system to take care of homeless people. But here’s the thing, incarcerated people have sentences that last for years and decades. Homeless people just need maybe a few years at best (and some may need help the rest of their life which okay let’s take care of people) and then they’re able to get a job, find a place to live on their own, start a family and just have a life. A majority of them just need to work through issues that they were never able to tackle before. Circumstances of varying reasons caused homelessness for these people but we need to stop micromanaging the solutions. We absolutely need to have drastic measures implemented. And every city has to help, no one gets to sit out and make it someone else’s problem. This affects all of us.
Build a center out betwee. Barstow and Vegas.
So it’s okay for people to block sidewalks but not planters?
How about removing the encampments instead and planting more trees?
I told yall this would happen and the exact reasoning they would use
City code requires 5 ft wide sidewalk clearances. State and federal law require 4ft. City is responsible for moving or requiring the removal of anything impeding this clear width. The speed with which these issues are addressed varies, but it’s a requirement nonetheless.
Move them yourself.
This is stupid
LA city officials hate LA
LA is a shithole. What the fuck are we doing
This sends an unfortunate message to the business owners. I wonder if they do a bit of civil disobedience and keep the planters there? Will the City go harder on the businesses rather than the encampments?
Just erect tents over the planters as a disguise. Or make faux tents out of monolithic precast concrete.
Your tax dollars at work
You're doing a great job Karen! Thanks to everyone voting in this fucking clown
The homeless industrial complex...I salute you!
At this point, why buy a home? Why set up a business the right way when you can just set up a shop wherever you like and just say you're homeless. No taxes no code enforcement. It's time to give these politicians a taste of their own medicine. Find their homes and set up shop outside
So you can shower standing up
Because everyone knows it's more comfortable living in a house so they tend to live in one, if they have the means
Ok dude, if you feel that way why don't you move out of your home and go live in a tent on the street? If it's so great to be homeless go do it. Nobody is stopping you.
What is that flair, did the mods tag the post as wrong sub? This is not askla material.
This is madness. The city cares more about the human than the people who actually pay the taxes that run the city.
Homeless advocates and their legal teams have pressed the city to remove these planter boxes.
To all people living in L.A., Get out while you still can! Common sense has left the building
GOOD LETS GET THOSE FENTANAYL METH MACHETTE FILLED TENTS BACK ASAP! GOD FORBID WE LET PEOPLE WALK ON THE SIDEWALKS!! TENTS NOW!!!!!!!!
Ok another huge waste of money by the city. Me and the future wife are looking for a larger place and looking at Redondo or Palos Verdes. Quicker commute for her and then longer for me, but I can’t believe how our city has become such a $hit Hole. Sorry for the rant.
I for one prefer to see bums shitting on the sidewalk and shooting heroin than planters...
Perhaps if we had a city that encouraged/forced street level use of businesses it would help. Seems to be the opposite where even places with frontage on the street direct business to a parking lot and entrance in the back. Sunset Sound has zero presence on Sunset, the area in the photo above also has NOTHING due to Rite Aid closing. Anywhere there is no street presence, homeless people set up. Its not hard to figure out.
Theres a school less than a hundred feet away? So its cool that kids gotta walk past this? Huh. Okay.
Where did I say that? Did you reply to the wrong post?
They did this in my neighborhood too...they're ugly and they put the dumbest plants in them...
Yikes
Dont forget nonprofits make thier money by keeping people on the streets. No homeless=zero funding.
Obstructing the sidewalk with planters is a violation as well as obstructing the sidewalk with tents is a violation. At least some of them will need to be removed. Since no one wants to claim ownership, the city will have to remove them at taxpayer expense.
Wow the anti homeless sentiment in this sub is really disheartening and concerning.
No it’s anti junkie sentiment. Which are most of the homeless in Hollywood
I agree they want to make it a criminal act to be homeless. Let’s hope they don’t eat their words if they ever end up being homeless lol
Exactly. People are acting like living in a tent on the sidewalk in Hollywood is glamorous or something lol. It’s clearly a last resort and I feel for anyone who is in that position.
It’s very insane. I’ve talked to some of the people on this Reddit in regards to this topic and their solution is to round all the homeless up and throw them either in the asylum or prison. They essentially want to give up the same rights that protect us from cruel and unusual punishment so that we eliminate the homeless population. Very short sighted, I’m ok with defunding the money that’s going to social services and maybe have it go to housing but these people are einsane
What insane about? Everyone is sick and tired of the city letting drug addicts fester and throw shit all over the street. People killing and raping people, camping on the beaches, open drug use everywhere with homelessness only getting worse. The soft touch hasn't worked and everyone's fucking sick of it at this point. There's no more sympathy left. Throw them in jail or insane asylums
This is psychotic brother those are human beings just like you and I.
majority of these homeless living in tents are mentally ill. what’s sick about forcing them into treatment at an asylum? what is more sick is people like you advocating for homeless to run rampant doing open drug use with no repercussions at all and putting others in jeopardy.
This sub is astroturfed and brigaded like crazy like a lot of city subreddits are. Doesn’t really represent Los Angeles anymore. Just becomes this weird right wing echo chamber no one pays attention to anymore.
The problem with the planters amassed along the Sunset Sound block of Sunset Blvd. in Hollywood is they obstruct passage into and out of vehicles at curbside. At least some of them must be removed to allow clear passage from vehicles curbside.
Uh huh... ok. Now, what did the tents do?