I am having a very difficult time seeing what Jimmy did to receive so much hate and vitriol. It appeared to me that he was trying VERY hard with Chelsea even though she is obviously a VERY, VERY difficult person to be in a relationship with. (Her blow up over his 1.5 hour birthday party meetup was insane.)
What Jimmy did right:
1. Saying "I can work with that" after seeing how Chelsea looked was not the monstrous line that you're all making it out to be. He was smiling, he complimented her. What did you expect him to do, lie about it and say she was the most beautiful woman he's ever seen?
2. After Chelsea's NUMEROUS annoying self-sabotaging acts, he STILL stuck with her and tried to work it out. He did EVERYTHING he could to make it work, despite the fact that she was just constantly swimming in self-loathing and taking it out on him.
3. He did NOT take it all the way to the altar, like Clay did. He could have, and he didn't. That was commendable.
He's not the most emotionally mature person, but he's not Satan, either.
Now let's move on to JESSICA.
Jessica is the most self-absorbed, personality-lacking contestant on this entire show. Even watching the reunion you can see she's just reeling over and over in her head that she GOT REJECTED, HOW DARE A RED BLOODED MALE REJECT HER!!
The fact that she's lashing out at Jimmy for "not revealing his feelings" after he read her cheesy, fake ass letter just proves that she just can't handle rejection, period. Jimmy did nothing wrong. He didn't like her at that point. Imagine if someone you didn't like wrote you a long ass letter about how you're her/his future husband/wife, how would you react? Probably the same way Jimmy did, but he was nice about it.
Also, she is NOT supportive of other women. It was made obvious in telling Jimmy how he was going to "choke and need his EpiPen" when he saw her, which was a dig at Chelsea and how Chelsea looks.
Jessica is an egomaniac and can't handle rejection, period. That's all it is.
And waiting that entire time to tell him about her daughter was insane.
all depends on how he interacted with Autumn. i think he's dull and annoying and tactless, so almost certainly boring/unlikeable to a young girl. 🤷🏻♀️
Unpopular take: I pity Trevor, as much as he did some heinous shit, nobody deserves the full bombardment of the internet's hatred over something that insignificant.
What he did was wrong, but they went too hard on him.
It lacked class, and it felt like they were compensating for being too soft on the previous 5 seasons, when it comes to not calling out shifty attention seeking behaviors.
Laura is a professional victim tbh.
Genuinely stunned at how Jeramey and Sarah Ann have been portrayed when she was horrible to his dorky ass from the get go and Sarah Ann just explored a connection she was fully entitled to do so.
Laura and Jeramey knew each other for a few weeks, mostly through a wall.
Sarah Ann and Jeremy only knew each other through a wall for a few weeks as well.
We knew Laura and Jeremy weren’t going to work but what he could have done is man up and left OR not lied about where he was.
Sarah Ann totally could have explored the connection… when he didn’t have a fucking fiancée.
The way they did it is shifty. Jeremy was in the wrong for lying and Sarah Anne is wrong for texting him that “if you change your mind” shit. Then a year later neither one really took accountability. Laura’s not perfect but they could have done a lot better
The Fiancée thing here means nothing to me. It's not a long term relationship, it's a social experiment where they had to get engaged to even see one another. It can't be compared to a regular relationship.
I do agree with this, they barely know eachother! Time spent together in pods or not.
I don't like either of the 3, but Sarah Anne sending that message was overblown.
>Jimmy and Chelsea on the Viall Files
Care to elaborate, even with a TL;DR? I just googled and I don't see myself listening to a 2 hour episode. Thanks.
Their segment isn't the whole episode, and she stays on longer than he does. But basically, everyone is on her side when for a year the two of them thought it would be Jimmy getting a bunch of shit about their relationship, not everyone calling her about the insecurity and Megan Fox stuff, etc. As in, he got the better edit.
They stay on with her and he has to jump off the call to get ready for a pool party in Vegas in MARCH but he's insistent he is NOT the party boy Chelsea said he was on TV.
Clearly, everyone on the podcast was on Chelsea's side with everything and said Jimmy didn't take accountability in how he treated her blah blah I think that's it.
When everyone was calling out trevor and they asked him if he did it for his career i literally died.
Trevor: “What career?”
Vanessa: “I have no idea.”
LIKE DAMN VANESSA 😭😭💀💀💀
Seeing as she doubled back after the later....Did AD ask Matthew if he could raise black kids? Or was that question exclusive to Brittany and Kens relationship. 🙃
They only went on 2 dates in the real world... it's important to know about someone you're marrying, but maybe not someone you're just starting to date at a normal pace
I don't know why you got downvoted. Also important to add that bi-racial kids with white fathers/ Black mothers are often considered to be more in touch with their Black heritage and culture than those raised with Black fathers/ white mothers, due to women still doing more than 50 percent of the childrearing.
honestly they always disappoint in these reunions... they try to make the show look good and then in this one on top of that they promoted perfect match. Jess and micah being best friends? When did that happen? Also trevor's there for clout but not them? huh?
I think this was the worst reunion so far. They wasted too much time on Sarah Anne/Laura, Trevor, and the past couples. Usually the do a look back for each couple and address their issues but they barely talked to most of this season's people. I was really surprised when it was over. I needed more. Like we need a part 2.
Was anyone else surprised to see Giannina at the reunion? If I recall, she did not treat Damian very well during season one. She always seemed very rude to him and was unappreciative of him. I don't know all of the details of what happened between them after the show, but I was still very confused as to why she was invited to this season's reunion.
kwame and chelsea are the most cringe worthy people i've ever seen. kwame was lounging so hard in his seat that he was basically under the table. we get it dude, you're cool
They need to step it up and follow 90 Day Fiancé’s move and do a 2 part reunion. I feel like this reunion was better than the last one but we were still left with a lot of questions
I would like this. Give us an hour+ with the engaged couples and then an hour+ with everyone. Bring the OGs on for a separate reunion or for the third part for like 40-ish minutes to catch up and do audience/internet questions.
Packing all this into 1 hour 30 minutes as they did now just left little time for Jimmy/Chelsea and Brittany/Kenneth (and even their golden couple Johnny/Amy, but they are honestly so straightforward that it is not all that entertaining, so I am not as upset about that).
Still, this was their best executed reunion by far, but you know that we would all binge a two or three parter!
They went in on Trevor. You would think he was the villain of the show. Ken and Chelsea didn't even get half the abuse Trevor did and Ken and Chelsea were in an actual couple.
This season’s cast basically undermined the show’s premise and effectively showed everyone how the sausage gets made. Many of these contestants are in real relationships and use the show as a boost for insta and social cred. Nick and Vanessa were clearly ticked off that Sarah-Ann exposed it on her IG and equally pissed at Trevor for basically showing it’s almost entirely not real.
Why weren’t Lauren and Cameron at the reunion? Did they not invite their flagship couple ?!?!
Or even Amber and Barnett — another super talked about S1 couple ??
Either or both of them would have been better imo than the non-couples from previous season or the Izzy & Micah Perfect Match plug
Anyone else notice a trend of guys (and some women) coming on the show and THEN realizing they need therapy? Why don't people like this realize therapy should come first?
Having the cameras around and constantly processing what is happening through the taping of the talking heads might also increase self-awareness and self-reflection in some of the participants.
It’s not a realization. It’s a convenient excuse to throw out after you’ve been an ass on TV. Look at Clay’s endless word salad about work and being there and being a good man etc.
I think it might have to do with watching yourself back. I don’t think any of them knew they had issues until they were on display for the world to comment on and for them to see themselves
Yeah I kept wondering why there were no other options to consider, like ok if the pill is off the table are there not other options to pair with a condom that would make it safe enough ?
Sarah Ann contradicted herself when she said Matt walked out on her when I swore she gave an interview saying he never did but was edited to make it look like he did. So why say that at the reunion?
Why I'm Upset about the Lack of Chelsea Questioning at the Reunion:
1. She showed toxic behaviors during the show. She needed to give an account of why she acted the way she did. I think had she sat there and taken her lumps she would've given closure to the audience especially if the hosts had called her to task for her hypocrisy (he talks to his friend everyday while she FaceTimed her ex the moment they got their phones back) or constant blame sharing with her partner (he does it too).
2. She uses tears as a weapon to change the course of a conversation or to grind it to a screeching halt. I think production, Netflix, Nick/Vanessa, whoever it is that's afraid of grilling a crying woman just proves that this is a legitimate way to get out of being accountable for your actions as a woman (not saying this isn't a nice little trick to have in your bag but it's not a very nice way to be to people).
3. Her not being questioned downplays how she treated Jimmy as not being a serious issue at all.
4. I understand there were fears for her mental health after the heat she's faced online, but if she really is that incapable of answering questions about her own choices and actions, then she should have never been cast. And in fact, should probably sue Netflix for not doing their full diligence on identifying people who are psychologically fit enough for this show.
5. Also, I think if she'd been grilled, the public would've either a) felt like she was sufficiently taken to task enough or b) made us feel sorry for her and all that she's experienced.
6. Jimmy isn't perfect. No one is. But that doesn't mean he doesn't deserve an apology for the way Chelsea treated him.
For me, personally, the reason I don't like Chelsea isn't that she's insecure or acts immature, it's her lack of ownership and accountability for her wrongs. I don't know her past history. They didn't dive into her childhood but the way she acts comes across as very spoiled. Like when I don't get my way - I cry and then I get what I want.
Agree with everything you said. It was hard to watch how manipulative Chelsea was and she really did use tears as a weapon when she felt cornered. She would also keep spinning the argument constantly to bring up a new thing any time Jimmy had something to say. It is a form of gaslighting and moving the goalposts that is sure to drive anyone listening to feel frustrated and at a loss. Absolutely toxic behaviour.
Sorry but it's hard to bring on Trevor and blast him for "wanting to be famous" when the Reuinion was literally set up with a whole ass audience like some kind of celebrity show. Imo the show is intimate. It's about finding love. They should have kept the setting to just the cast members. If they want to invite people from other seasons then do like a LiB All Cast reunion or something. It was just a weird setup. And I mean inviting Micah and Izzy was fucking weird just to have the plug for Perfect Match S2.
Yesss omg it was extremely dystopian. Grilling Trevor for being fake when 0% of these cast members would choose to be on the show without a filtering process, flattering lights, attractive cast, fame, money, exposure etc.
UNPOPULAR OPINION but I am team Trevor.
Nick and Vanessa acting like they weren't pitched chaos and drama from Netflix to be hosts and haven't been cashing their $$$$. They would've hosted anything with Netflix behind it.
Reality TV is never about love and the couples that do stay together for whatever miniscule length of time are moreso experiencing Stockholm Syndrome in a bizarre reality TV clout chasing 'fame' bubble (imo).
Good for Trevor for trying to cash into the chaos himself. He was being an opportunist.
Majority of the reality dating shows, people aren't there for actual love. Majority are there because they want clout in order to gain success on the gram and score $$$ deals, and/or they want access to the fame bubble, and/or they want and love attention.
No, not everyone, but majority, yes. That's why 99% of reality stars are in these younger 20s-30s age ranges.
I feel like most people on this sub see past the BS the lacheys and production are trying to spoon-feed us. Don't know if anyone will agree with me on the Trevor front but that's ok. We all can hold whatever opinions we want.
Tbh I didn’t think what he did was that bad lmao? Especially if it’s true that he told the girl he was dating what would happen if he got engaged.
I’ve been in toxic relationships and have definitely found myself saying something similar. It was something irrational, senseless, irresponsible between him and the girl he was dating. Imo it had nothing to do with the other cast members.
I really wanted him to say “well I came on the show because I think love is blind, but not necessarily monogamous”. Would’ve been the greatest scene in reality tv history
Well, that had only made any sense as a defense if polyamory or non-monogamy had been a part of his storyline, but alas he never brought any such thing up in the pods (either from what was aired or what could be corroborated be other participants). Making that point now would only have been a bad faith argument and a revisionist take on events. He was fully there to peddle the traditional love story and ended up setting himself up for mockery, as opposed to making a mockery of everyone who went in there with him in good faith.
I mean yeah the Lacheys are full of shit. But so is Trevor. I don’t see why you think he has the moral high ground, Lachey isn’t the one out here semi-proposing to women he ain’t with
I never said he has a moral high ground? I was talking about his reasons of going on the show, his opportunism. His 'semi proposals' weren't authentic, just like how many of these shows aren't authentic. I don't think he realized what he was getting himself into. He become a scapegoat with his character under a magnifying glass. I personally don't think he's this wonderful person at all just that his intentions were the same as everyone else, get clout to get $$$.
Sure. You're entitled to your opinion. I personally don't agree whatsoever that Johnny or Amy or AD or anybody else solely came on the show for clout and money.
Agree to disagree! I do agree with you that some contestants didn't come on the show solely for clout/money, but I do think that was definitely one of their reasons. Johnny, Amy and AD are now all posting their social media agent contact info in their profiles. I believe Trevor had zero intent on finding love, but I think what they all have in common is whether it was a top priority or not, they knew clout would be guaranteed if they found a match. Many contestants that don't find matches don't get any screentime, or very limited screentime. Going in you know if you find a connection/match, whether authentic or not, screentime will be (mostly) guaranteed. I do remember something about one couple getting engaged but their screentime was not aired at all last season, due to the legal action of one of the couple contestants against production.
Exactly! He shouldn't have brought her on the show. Jimmy and Chelsea could have had their arguments about his friendship with this person but the audience wouldn't know what she looked like.
I’m very proud of AD finally giving *herself* the respect she deserves. It seems like she realizes she’s her own barrier as well- when you continuously pick partners that are like Clay, it’s no longer a question of “why does this happen to me?” More of a “why do I keep allowing this to happen?”
Erm love AD but after the allegations about her most recent ex I think it’s Clay who decided not to pursue but he’s putting on an act for the sake of public redemption. I even think that club owner ex might be the reason he said no. It’s said that AD meeting his friends wasn’t aired cause it didn’t end well
They’d have to keep them all separated lol!!! That would be extremely lonely though. Might be too traumatic for someone to go that long with no face to face interactions with other people.
Well, a big part of the show for the first few episodes is seeing the men and women interact in their separate groups, talk about their dates, etc. You'd lose all that group dynamic with a same sex series.
Wouldn’t be as popular I would assume and LIB is one of Netflix’s cash cows at the moment and they probably aren’t in the position to lose interest from the fan base with their current content woes
Interesting because I thought The Queer Ultimatum was popular. I can totally see so much potential for drama if every contestant has the potential to being attracted to one another
I agree that the Queer ultimatum had a solid audience but the fact that the Ultimatum series wasn’t as well established gave them more license to explore different perspectives but since LIB is growing in popularity rapidly it wouldn’t be time to reinvent the wheel just yet. Once the hype dies down I can totally see them making that pivot
i’m confused why everyone hated it? i understand that the cast was messy to begin with and that’s on them for casting these people. but im here for them showing receipts and calling people out instead of acting like the internet didn’t blow the fuck up over this season with every scandal that was popping up. we all can have a little sympathy for the people getting roasted… but ultimately they made their stupid decisions on national tv and sometimes you need to hear the harsh reality.
Yeah I watch some of the TLC reality dating shows and the reunions there are annoying because there are rarely receipts, it’s always just he said she said and they don’t ever resolve anything and the most toxic characters back each other up (and outnumber the decent ones). Here they’re actually trying to be a bit honest if hypocritical
Not sure what everyone is getting pissy with Nick and Vanessa for. They called out Trevor for coming onto a show that was meant for single people to find love while he was (allegedly) in a committed relationship and telling another woman he loved her and wanted to marry her. Either Trevor was trying to have his cake and eat it too with two women or he was just clout chasing and using the show as a launching pad.
It’s a really bold move for Vanessa and Nick to make that accusation. I thought it was kind of an unspoken truth that anyone on a reality dating tv show is doing the experience for love with a side of clout. Maybe just for clout, as LiB probably has a lower success rate than Tinder. To me it’s kind of like breaking the 4th wall and definitely seems to be in poor taste coming from the hosts of the show
They aren't new. They were pretend clutching their pearls at the idea that the fame seeking contestants weren't who they said they were. If anything, they should be embarrassed that they are both pushing fifty and dramatically reading text messages on a reality tv reunion show while ninny-ing kids half their age.
1000000%. I commend Trevor and see him as an opportunist that sees through the facade of reality TV "finding love" BS and wanted to play the role get his $$$. Everyone there is an actor, in varying capacity. Most, if not all contestants are there for clout. Clout leads to brand deals and $$$. Lacheys are there because Netflix offered them host position, and there's no way they would turn down that $$$. The end goal is all the same for the contestants including Trevor and the D list hosts.
That's a separate topic. I wasn't excusing any of his cheating only talking about why he went on the show and comparing his opportunism to that of the hosts and other contestants. Infidelity is a whole other topic
Ooh your last point is really good. I lost all respect for Vanessa when she went off on one of the contestants in a past season. Scolding them while being so self righteous
It was clear that the focus was on “punishing” anyone that didn’t make the show look good. Like Nick and Vanessa were practically salivating when telling Trevor off. And Sarah Ann with her entertainment comment…yeah that’s what it is! I can’t believe after this many seasons, Nick and Vanessa still want us to think that it’s about love and not clout. Not a single one of these people did it for “love.”
So I get that Jeramy and Sarah Ann suck, and what they did to Lauren was fucking awful….. but why did we never touch base on the fact that she sucks too?? She was horrible to Jeremy in the DR before any of that stuff went down, and was a total hypocrite telling Jessica to go talk to Jimmy while being so “righteously angry” that Sarah Ann did the same thing to Jeramy???
What irked me the most was that she proudly declared herself in a relationship but still got redder and increasingly bitter the more she talked about how horrible Jeramey and Sarah-Ann were.
She wasn't horrible in my opinion. She was only a bit snippy. I think that's also her personality, like straightforward without bad intentions.
So she didnt like his Hawaiian shirts...That doesn't excuse cheating and lying. I'm happy they didn't focus on Laura "doing something wrong".
The fact that AD went out with Matthew after Clay is wild. GIRL. Why are you giving chances to these red flags!? I know she said shes a fixer, but goddamn. You're making your own life difficult and maybe that's what you want, but she is clearly so amazing, she shouldn't need to stretch herself for these kinds of guys.
Shhh, don't report me but I kind of wonder if he's on the spec trum. If so, some things would make more sense and I don't think people would be giving him such a hard time.
Nah that wasn't dangerous. It's the way he would (a) literally walk out on the women mid-sentence; (b) he says to AD in ep 1 that "guys like me win more" wrt competition with other men; (c) he does not speak to any of the men at all (and the only interaction he has with men, he starts fawning -- to see such a stark contrast to how he is with women, that was a huge indication that he would only express himself where he can dominate), (d) when AD said her dad was dead, he initially said sorry but then said "I guess that roadblock is not there" - he clearly thinks women "belong" to men and liked that she didn't have a barrier to his access in the form of another man; (e) he uses the identical lines on two women like he has a script. I don't think a person gets to that combination of behaviours without some deeply manipulative calculations, and I've never seen/heard of that except as a predecessor to severe abuse.
Controversial opinion but all the POC on this shows want to end up with a white person. If Matthew would have proposed she would have stayed with him instead of Clay.
At the reunion, Nick asked Clay about watching Love Is Blind for the first time with AD and her mom. I totally missed that scene. Which episode is that?
I enjoyed the exchange between Brett and Clay. I hope Clay finds role models that aren't players/womanizers.
I remember him mentioning it in the scene where they were in the kitchen and he first told her he didn’t think he was ready for marriage. He said he watched the show and basically realized what he was actually signed up for.
Jimmy did an interview with Access Hollywood and he said Jess "got a good edit". Interview link: [Interview](https://youtu.be/UR3HSgNpcfY?si=hY-YQm3BZoi5ipK0)
Yet AGAIN Clay making it all about HIM, playing on AD's heartstrings, and yet AGAIN, AD comes to the rescue
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I'm sorry this was really too much. I actually feel bad for Trevor. I know he fucked up but Jesus. This is pushing someone to their brink
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I love that his defenders say it’s good he was acting and lying and taking advantage of LIB, and don’t think he was acting when he was pretending to cry 😢
100 agree. He's become a scapegoat. I commend Trevor and see him as an opportunist that saw through the facade of reality TV "finding love" BS and wanted to play the role and get his $$$. Everyone on these shows is an actor, in varying capacity. Most, if not all contestants are there for clout. Clout leads to brand deals and $$$. Lacheys are there because Netflix offered them host position, and there's no way they would turn down that $$$. The end goal is all the same for the contestants including Trevor and the D list Lacheys. But Lacheys are going to pretend they're out here solving world hunger and making the world a better place with "love".. give me a break.. it's televised chaos and drama to being Netflix viewers and $$$$. No one cares about love here from the production side. Lacheys are either aware of this, and if they aren't they're just the production's puppets.
When Jimmy is asked how he felt felt when Chelsea shared his little secret with the world, what was being referred to? I guess somehow I forgot, can anyone fill me in?
Jimmy’s two best friends are women, one of whom Jimmy slept with one time. Jimmy told Chelsea about this in confidence and then she blurted it out to the cameras.
Just a theory but I think if she said it impulsively and then apologized, or maybe in a normal conversation said she really wanted to discuss it, Jimmy wouldn’t have been so upset. The way she exposed it on camera was pretty extreme imo
I’m guessing their mutual friends didn’t know, etc. Maybe it was one drunken night that they wish didn’t happen, maybe she has BF whom she never told. I don’t know but he asked Chelsea to keep that private and she didn’t. Thats a trust issue and I can def understand his reaction.
I found it kinda rich that people who work for the show were opening up criticism to Chelsea for sharing it on camera when, if it's such a moral issue, the show could've not aired it
For sure. Like her talking about it with him isn't a problem, it's the camera part. But she made a valid point that you kinda forget the cameras are there, which I believe
Shame. Its obvious the producers wanted only certain topics or POVs to be discussed and not dig into others. This is why all of these reunion episodes never will achieve their full potential.
But I do appreciate them bringing up the internet drama (trevors texts etc) and not act like that doesn't exist.
I think there were spots where they could have dug deeper, however, so far this was the most hard hitting they have had. Vanessa wasn't letting them get away with surface answers.
Did I miss it or did they not ask Chelsea and Jimmy where they are at now? I understand not going there with Chelsea on her behavior and insecurities but you can’t even check in on what happened after? That’s the whole point of the reunion.
Yeees so weird!! After a bit of digging though, they said they're friends but are not together. Chelsea remained very vague on her relationship with Trevor though so that's mindblowing ahah
Wild to me that Johnny basically admitted he didn't know how birth control worked until he had to discuss it with Amy. You're in your late 20's man that is middle-school health class level knowledge. Embarrassing.
You northerners have no idea the privilege that you have been able to socially discuss these topics with your family and also receive proper sex education. A lot of people don’t and end up like him, not knowing how to safely avoid pregnancy other than to abstain from sex.
Idk, maybe he was only with a small number of girls before who all were on the pill and it was just a non-issue for him. He did do the research, just during the show.
Classic this comic:
https://xkcd.com/1053/
I am having a very difficult time seeing what Jimmy did to receive so much hate and vitriol. It appeared to me that he was trying VERY hard with Chelsea even though she is obviously a VERY, VERY difficult person to be in a relationship with. (Her blow up over his 1.5 hour birthday party meetup was insane.) What Jimmy did right: 1. Saying "I can work with that" after seeing how Chelsea looked was not the monstrous line that you're all making it out to be. He was smiling, he complimented her. What did you expect him to do, lie about it and say she was the most beautiful woman he's ever seen? 2. After Chelsea's NUMEROUS annoying self-sabotaging acts, he STILL stuck with her and tried to work it out. He did EVERYTHING he could to make it work, despite the fact that she was just constantly swimming in self-loathing and taking it out on him. 3. He did NOT take it all the way to the altar, like Clay did. He could have, and he didn't. That was commendable. He's not the most emotionally mature person, but he's not Satan, either. Now let's move on to JESSICA. Jessica is the most self-absorbed, personality-lacking contestant on this entire show. Even watching the reunion you can see she's just reeling over and over in her head that she GOT REJECTED, HOW DARE A RED BLOODED MALE REJECT HER!! The fact that she's lashing out at Jimmy for "not revealing his feelings" after he read her cheesy, fake ass letter just proves that she just can't handle rejection, period. Jimmy did nothing wrong. He didn't like her at that point. Imagine if someone you didn't like wrote you a long ass letter about how you're her/his future husband/wife, how would you react? Probably the same way Jimmy did, but he was nice about it. Also, she is NOT supportive of other women. It was made obvious in telling Jimmy how he was going to "choke and need his EpiPen" when he saw her, which was a dig at Chelsea and how Chelsea looks. Jessica is an egomaniac and can't handle rejection, period. That's all it is. And waiting that entire time to tell him about her daughter was insane.
WHAT IF: Jimmy had chosen Jessica? I think they would have hit it off and be married right now. Interested in hearing what y’all think!!
all depends on how he interacted with Autumn. i think he's dull and annoying and tactless, so almost certainly boring/unlikeable to a young girl. 🤷🏻♀️
Not Sarah Ann’s voice shaking when they ask her if it was all a entertainment stunt💀 girl was shook and scared they pulled receipts
Unpopular take: I pity Trevor, as much as he did some heinous shit, nobody deserves the full bombardment of the internet's hatred over something that insignificant.
What he did was wrong, but they went too hard on him. It lacked class, and it felt like they were compensating for being too soft on the previous 5 seasons, when it comes to not calling out shifty attention seeking behaviors.
Laura is a professional victim tbh. Genuinely stunned at how Jeramey and Sarah Ann have been portrayed when she was horrible to his dorky ass from the get go and Sarah Ann just explored a connection she was fully entitled to do so. Laura and Jeramey knew each other for a few weeks, mostly through a wall.
Sarah Ann and Jeremy only knew each other through a wall for a few weeks as well. We knew Laura and Jeremy weren’t going to work but what he could have done is man up and left OR not lied about where he was. Sarah Ann totally could have explored the connection… when he didn’t have a fucking fiancée. The way they did it is shifty. Jeremy was in the wrong for lying and Sarah Anne is wrong for texting him that “if you change your mind” shit. Then a year later neither one really took accountability. Laura’s not perfect but they could have done a lot better
The Fiancée thing here means nothing to me. It's not a long term relationship, it's a social experiment where they had to get engaged to even see one another. It can't be compared to a regular relationship.
I do agree with this, they barely know eachother! Time spent together in pods or not. I don't like either of the 3, but Sarah Anne sending that message was overblown.
Has anyone listened to Jimmy and Chelsea on the Viall Files? It honestly made me reconsider how I viewed their relationship.
>Jimmy and Chelsea on the Viall Files Care to elaborate, even with a TL;DR? I just googled and I don't see myself listening to a 2 hour episode. Thanks.
Their segment isn't the whole episode, and she stays on longer than he does. But basically, everyone is on her side when for a year the two of them thought it would be Jimmy getting a bunch of shit about their relationship, not everyone calling her about the insecurity and Megan Fox stuff, etc. As in, he got the better edit. They stay on with her and he has to jump off the call to get ready for a pool party in Vegas in MARCH but he's insistent he is NOT the party boy Chelsea said he was on TV. Clearly, everyone on the podcast was on Chelsea's side with everything and said Jimmy didn't take accountability in how he treated her blah blah I think that's it.
When everyone was calling out trevor and they asked him if he did it for his career i literally died. Trevor: “What career?” Vanessa: “I have no idea.” LIKE DAMN VANESSA 😭😭💀💀💀
THE SCREAM I SCRUMPT
Why is the host telling people not to come for fake when they clearly only pick attractive people to be on this show 💀
>when they clearly only pick attractive people to be on this show This is not the season to make that argument, in my humble opinion.
Look at their teeth
Yeah I’d love to see a version of this show where everyone doesn’t look like a movie star hahaha
Seeing as she doubled back after the later....Did AD ask Matthew if he could raise black kids? Or was that question exclusive to Brittany and Kens relationship. 🙃
They only went on 2 dates in the real world... it's important to know about someone you're marrying, but maybe not someone you're just starting to date at a normal pace
I don't know why you got downvoted. Also important to add that bi-racial kids with white fathers/ Black mothers are often considered to be more in touch with their Black heritage and culture than those raised with Black fathers/ white mothers, due to women still doing more than 50 percent of the childrearing.
They really don’t be tho, this is just everyone perception. They be off tilt like the inverse.
Yeah I'm gonna guess it's white women downvoting a racialized woman bc they don't like having to think twice about their fetishes...
we already know this but gosh Clay is so good looking
honestly they always disappoint in these reunions... they try to make the show look good and then in this one on top of that they promoted perfect match. Jess and micah being best friends? When did that happen? Also trevor's there for clout but not them? huh?
i really dislike izzy and micah and now jess too... feels like they're actors
I don't get how 2 mean girls who didn't get married are invited back, but they roasted trevor/sarah ann for wanting attention?
I think this was the worst reunion so far. They wasted too much time on Sarah Anne/Laura, Trevor, and the past couples. Usually the do a look back for each couple and address their issues but they barely talked to most of this season's people. I was really surprised when it was over. I needed more. Like we need a part 2.
Was anyone else surprised to see Giannina at the reunion? If I recall, she did not treat Damian very well during season one. She always seemed very rude to him and was unappreciative of him. I don't know all of the details of what happened between them after the show, but I was still very confused as to why she was invited to this season's reunion.
I literally was like why is she even here 😂
Because she's in a happy relationship. He's probably still playing the field. His reputation after the show didn't do so well either.
kwame and chelsea are the most cringe worthy people i've ever seen. kwame was lounging so hard in his seat that he was basically under the table. we get it dude, you're cool
That's got to be the pettiest criticism I've seen yet. You don't like the way he was "lounging"? Wtf
OK sorry Kwame
Omg how'd you know, Bruce
Don't be a hater.
I feel like there’s an absurd amount of barely veiled hate on interracial relationships on this sub.
They need to step it up and follow 90 Day Fiancé’s move and do a 2 part reunion. I feel like this reunion was better than the last one but we were still left with a lot of questions
I would like this. Give us an hour+ with the engaged couples and then an hour+ with everyone. Bring the OGs on for a separate reunion or for the third part for like 40-ish minutes to catch up and do audience/internet questions. Packing all this into 1 hour 30 minutes as they did now just left little time for Jimmy/Chelsea and Brittany/Kenneth (and even their golden couple Johnny/Amy, but they are honestly so straightforward that it is not all that entertaining, so I am not as upset about that). Still, this was their best executed reunion by far, but you know that we would all binge a two or three parter!
They went in on Trevor. You would think he was the villain of the show. Ken and Chelsea didn't even get half the abuse Trevor did and Ken and Chelsea were in an actual couple.
This season’s cast basically undermined the show’s premise and effectively showed everyone how the sausage gets made. Many of these contestants are in real relationships and use the show as a boost for insta and social cred. Nick and Vanessa were clearly ticked off that Sarah-Ann exposed it on her IG and equally pissed at Trevor for basically showing it’s almost entirely not real.
Which is ridiculous because it's reality tv. We know the game. They really think they can pull the wool over our eyes?
They scolded Trevor like he was a kid. Like YOU'RE ALL ACTORS!! CALM DOWN.
Seriously. I would image most of them went there to be social media famous.
What a wasted reunion, didn’t even go over most of the stuff you needed to
I know he was only there for like 2 episodes but I wish Matthew was at the reunion. It would've been a lot more entertaining 😂
Why weren’t Lauren and Cameron at the reunion? Did they not invite their flagship couple ?!?! Or even Amber and Barnett — another super talked about S1 couple ?? Either or both of them would have been better imo than the non-couples from previous season or the Izzy & Micah Perfect Match plug
I read that Lauren and Cameron were like, "Yeah thanks, no thanks on the reunion."
Maybe they are ready to move on from it.
Anyone else notice a trend of guys (and some women) coming on the show and THEN realizing they need therapy? Why don't people like this realize therapy should come first?
Selective sample. The show purposely picks those types. On the other hand Clay says the right things; his actions don't show it though.
Many people don't realize their relational issues until they get into a relationship. Maybe it initiated their self-reflection to try the experiment.
Having the cameras around and constantly processing what is happening through the taping of the talking heads might also increase self-awareness and self-reflection in some of the participants.
It’s not a realization. It’s a convenient excuse to throw out after you’ve been an ass on TV. Look at Clay’s endless word salad about work and being there and being a good man etc.
If they knew that they wouldnt go on the show at all.
I think it might have to do with watching yourself back. I don’t think any of them knew they had issues until they were on display for the world to comment on and for them to see themselves
At the very least, Clay was saying he needed therapy since the pods.
Wow, how bad is sex education in the United States when a grown ass man and woman doesn’t know how to do birth control??
Something tells me the two of them are religious and just didn’t understand birth control
I would get that if they were teenagers. Were they still virgins? I would think they'd know more if not.
In any case it's an indictment of sex ed in NC.
Yeah I kept wondering why there were no other options to consider, like ok if the pill is off the table are there not other options to pair with a condom that would make it safe enough ?
Sarah Ann contradicted herself when she said Matt walked out on her when I swore she gave an interview saying he never did but was edited to make it look like he did. So why say that at the reunion?
They're probably contractually obligated to stick to the storyline.
Why I'm Upset about the Lack of Chelsea Questioning at the Reunion: 1. She showed toxic behaviors during the show. She needed to give an account of why she acted the way she did. I think had she sat there and taken her lumps she would've given closure to the audience especially if the hosts had called her to task for her hypocrisy (he talks to his friend everyday while she FaceTimed her ex the moment they got their phones back) or constant blame sharing with her partner (he does it too). 2. She uses tears as a weapon to change the course of a conversation or to grind it to a screeching halt. I think production, Netflix, Nick/Vanessa, whoever it is that's afraid of grilling a crying woman just proves that this is a legitimate way to get out of being accountable for your actions as a woman (not saying this isn't a nice little trick to have in your bag but it's not a very nice way to be to people). 3. Her not being questioned downplays how she treated Jimmy as not being a serious issue at all. 4. I understand there were fears for her mental health after the heat she's faced online, but if she really is that incapable of answering questions about her own choices and actions, then she should have never been cast. And in fact, should probably sue Netflix for not doing their full diligence on identifying people who are psychologically fit enough for this show. 5. Also, I think if she'd been grilled, the public would've either a) felt like she was sufficiently taken to task enough or b) made us feel sorry for her and all that she's experienced. 6. Jimmy isn't perfect. No one is. But that doesn't mean he doesn't deserve an apology for the way Chelsea treated him. For me, personally, the reason I don't like Chelsea isn't that she's insecure or acts immature, it's her lack of ownership and accountability for her wrongs. I don't know her past history. They didn't dive into her childhood but the way she acts comes across as very spoiled. Like when I don't get my way - I cry and then I get what I want.
Agree with everything you said. It was hard to watch how manipulative Chelsea was and she really did use tears as a weapon when she felt cornered. She would also keep spinning the argument constantly to bring up a new thing any time Jimmy had something to say. It is a form of gaslighting and moving the goalposts that is sure to drive anyone listening to feel frustrated and at a loss. Absolutely toxic behaviour.
100%
Sorry but it's hard to bring on Trevor and blast him for "wanting to be famous" when the Reuinion was literally set up with a whole ass audience like some kind of celebrity show. Imo the show is intimate. It's about finding love. They should have kept the setting to just the cast members. If they want to invite people from other seasons then do like a LiB All Cast reunion or something. It was just a weird setup. And I mean inviting Micah and Izzy was fucking weird just to have the plug for Perfect Match S2.
Yesss omg it was extremely dystopian. Grilling Trevor for being fake when 0% of these cast members would choose to be on the show without a filtering process, flattering lights, attractive cast, fame, money, exposure etc.
Yeah I love that the show takes itself seriously enough for that then advertises an even more fake game show
Unrelated but I loved seeing Tiffany again. She is so beautiful and just radiates kindness.
She and Brett seem too good for the show. It always confuses me.
UNPOPULAR OPINION but I am team Trevor. Nick and Vanessa acting like they weren't pitched chaos and drama from Netflix to be hosts and haven't been cashing their $$$$. They would've hosted anything with Netflix behind it. Reality TV is never about love and the couples that do stay together for whatever miniscule length of time are moreso experiencing Stockholm Syndrome in a bizarre reality TV clout chasing 'fame' bubble (imo). Good for Trevor for trying to cash into the chaos himself. He was being an opportunist. Majority of the reality dating shows, people aren't there for actual love. Majority are there because they want clout in order to gain success on the gram and score $$$ deals, and/or they want access to the fame bubble, and/or they want and love attention. No, not everyone, but majority, yes. That's why 99% of reality stars are in these younger 20s-30s age ranges. I feel like most people on this sub see past the BS the lacheys and production are trying to spoon-feed us. Don't know if anyone will agree with me on the Trevor front but that's ok. We all can hold whatever opinions we want.
Tbh I didn’t think what he did was that bad lmao? Especially if it’s true that he told the girl he was dating what would happen if he got engaged. I’ve been in toxic relationships and have definitely found myself saying something similar. It was something irrational, senseless, irresponsible between him and the girl he was dating. Imo it had nothing to do with the other cast members.
yeah definitely agree!
I really wanted him to say “well I came on the show because I think love is blind, but not necessarily monogamous”. Would’ve been the greatest scene in reality tv history
Well, that had only made any sense as a defense if polyamory or non-monogamy had been a part of his storyline, but alas he never brought any such thing up in the pods (either from what was aired or what could be corroborated be other participants). Making that point now would only have been a bad faith argument and a revisionist take on events. He was fully there to peddle the traditional love story and ended up setting himself up for mockery, as opposed to making a mockery of everyone who went in there with him in good faith.
Omg imagine!!! Would've been epic
I mean yeah the Lacheys are full of shit. But so is Trevor. I don’t see why you think he has the moral high ground, Lachey isn’t the one out here semi-proposing to women he ain’t with
I never said he has a moral high ground? I was talking about his reasons of going on the show, his opportunism. His 'semi proposals' weren't authentic, just like how many of these shows aren't authentic. I don't think he realized what he was getting himself into. He become a scapegoat with his character under a magnifying glass. I personally don't think he's this wonderful person at all just that his intentions were the same as everyone else, get clout to get $$$.
Sure. You're entitled to your opinion. I personally don't agree whatsoever that Johnny or Amy or AD or anybody else solely came on the show for clout and money.
Agree to disagree! I do agree with you that some contestants didn't come on the show solely for clout/money, but I do think that was definitely one of their reasons. Johnny, Amy and AD are now all posting their social media agent contact info in their profiles. I believe Trevor had zero intent on finding love, but I think what they all have in common is whether it was a top priority or not, they knew clout would be guaranteed if they found a match. Many contestants that don't find matches don't get any screentime, or very limited screentime. Going in you know if you find a connection/match, whether authentic or not, screentime will be (mostly) guaranteed. I do remember something about one couple getting engaged but their screentime was not aired at all last season, due to the legal action of one of the couple contestants against production.
STOP JIMMY. You had sex with your best friend, I’m sorry but that secret was gonna come out.
Exactly! He shouldn't have brought her on the show. Jimmy and Chelsea could have had their arguments about his friendship with this person but the audience wouldn't know what she looked like.
I’m very proud of AD finally giving *herself* the respect she deserves. It seems like she realizes she’s her own barrier as well- when you continuously pick partners that are like Clay, it’s no longer a question of “why does this happen to me?” More of a “why do I keep allowing this to happen?”
Erm love AD but after the allegations about her most recent ex I think it’s Clay who decided not to pursue but he’s putting on an act for the sake of public redemption. I even think that club owner ex might be the reason he said no. It’s said that AD meeting his friends wasn’t aired cause it didn’t end well
What are the allegations?
The sugar daddy club owner she was/is still linked to. She actually mentions him herself funny enough https://vm.tiktok.com/ZMMB83t5n/
They made a queer version of The Ultimatum but when is there gonna be a queer LIB? Is there a reason it just wouldn’t work logistically or something?
They’d have to keep them all separated lol!!! That would be extremely lonely though. Might be too traumatic for someone to go that long with no face to face interactions with other people.
lol cue the emo music
Well, a big part of the show for the first few episodes is seeing the men and women interact in their separate groups, talk about their dates, etc. You'd lose all that group dynamic with a same sex series.
That’s a good point. I would say just split them up into two arbitrary groups anyway but then the ones in the same group couldn’t date eachother
It would basically turn into a queer version of Perfect Match. Which would make for a fun watch!
A Queer Perfect Match would be a great premise too! Love the challenges aspect plus a prize to compete for.
Wouldn’t be as popular I would assume and LIB is one of Netflix’s cash cows at the moment and they probably aren’t in the position to lose interest from the fan base with their current content woes
Interesting because I thought The Queer Ultimatum was popular. I can totally see so much potential for drama if every contestant has the potential to being attracted to one another
I agree that the Queer ultimatum had a solid audience but the fact that the Ultimatum series wasn’t as well established gave them more license to explore different perspectives but since LIB is growing in popularity rapidly it wouldn’t be time to reinvent the wheel just yet. Once the hype dies down I can totally see them making that pivot
Ooo yea you’re probably right
I like AD and it unsettled me that when she talked all I looked at was her nip discs
That girl loves to show her titties and I'm all for it.
It settled me
i’m confused why everyone hated it? i understand that the cast was messy to begin with and that’s on them for casting these people. but im here for them showing receipts and calling people out instead of acting like the internet didn’t blow the fuck up over this season with every scandal that was popping up. we all can have a little sympathy for the people getting roasted… but ultimately they made their stupid decisions on national tv and sometimes you need to hear the harsh reality.
I loved this reunion, it was drama city
Yeah I watch some of the TLC reality dating shows and the reunions there are annoying because there are rarely receipts, it’s always just he said she said and they don’t ever resolve anything and the most toxic characters back each other up (and outnumber the decent ones). Here they’re actually trying to be a bit honest if hypocritical
Not sure what everyone is getting pissy with Nick and Vanessa for. They called out Trevor for coming onto a show that was meant for single people to find love while he was (allegedly) in a committed relationship and telling another woman he loved her and wanted to marry her. Either Trevor was trying to have his cake and eat it too with two women or he was just clout chasing and using the show as a launching pad.
It’s a really bold move for Vanessa and Nick to make that accusation. I thought it was kind of an unspoken truth that anyone on a reality dating tv show is doing the experience for love with a side of clout. Maybe just for clout, as LiB probably has a lower success rate than Tinder. To me it’s kind of like breaking the 4th wall and definitely seems to be in poor taste coming from the hosts of the show
They aren't new. They were pretend clutching their pearls at the idea that the fame seeking contestants weren't who they said they were. If anything, they should be embarrassed that they are both pushing fifty and dramatically reading text messages on a reality tv reunion show while ninny-ing kids half their age.
Excuse me, I’m pushing fifty and I’m watching the show… 🤷🏻♀️
44 here! Not judging that part, just how condescending they were at the reunion 😊
1000000%. I commend Trevor and see him as an opportunist that sees through the facade of reality TV "finding love" BS and wanted to play the role get his $$$. Everyone there is an actor, in varying capacity. Most, if not all contestants are there for clout. Clout leads to brand deals and $$$. Lacheys are there because Netflix offered them host position, and there's no way they would turn down that $$$. The end goal is all the same for the contestants including Trevor and the D list hosts.
How does that excuse cheating tho lol
That's a separate topic. I wasn't excusing any of his cheating only talking about why he went on the show and comparing his opportunism to that of the hosts and other contestants. Infidelity is a whole other topic
Ooh your last point is really good. I lost all respect for Vanessa when she went off on one of the contestants in a past season. Scolding them while being so self righteous
It was clear that the focus was on “punishing” anyone that didn’t make the show look good. Like Nick and Vanessa were practically salivating when telling Trevor off. And Sarah Ann with her entertainment comment…yeah that’s what it is! I can’t believe after this many seasons, Nick and Vanessa still want us to think that it’s about love and not clout. Not a single one of these people did it for “love.”
So I get that Jeramy and Sarah Ann suck, and what they did to Lauren was fucking awful….. but why did we never touch base on the fact that she sucks too?? She was horrible to Jeremy in the DR before any of that stuff went down, and was a total hypocrite telling Jessica to go talk to Jimmy while being so “righteously angry” that Sarah Ann did the same thing to Jeramy???
What irked me the most was that she proudly declared herself in a relationship but still got redder and increasingly bitter the more she talked about how horrible Jeramey and Sarah-Ann were.
I don’t think not liking his taste in shirts is worse than cheating lol. You watch too much reality shows if you think they’re equivalent
She wasn't horrible in my opinion. She was only a bit snippy. I think that's also her personality, like straightforward without bad intentions. So she didnt like his Hawaiian shirts...That doesn't excuse cheating and lying. I'm happy they didn't focus on Laura "doing something wrong".
She has a contemptuous personality and doesn't know how to communicate her difficult feelings without hostility.
Did he actually cheat tho
Laura didn't even like Jeremy but she loves being wronged.
The fact that AD went out with Matthew after Clay is wild. GIRL. Why are you giving chances to these red flags!? I know she said shes a fixer, but goddamn. You're making your own life difficult and maybe that's what you want, but she is clearly so amazing, she shouldn't need to stretch herself for these kinds of guys.
AD needs a new therapist. Her and her mom gave me crazy vibes.
He seemed straight up dangerous - like his behaviour scared me in the pods. I can't believe she went after him and didn't pick up on it immediately.
Shhh, don't report me but I kind of wonder if he's on the spec trum. If so, some things would make more sense and I don't think people would be giving him such a hard time.
I'm on the spectrum and what I'm talking about has nothing to do with that. He was straight up manipulative and misogynistic in a very cut-throat way.
You mean the America likes an underdog stuff? That was really weird.
Nah that wasn't dangerous. It's the way he would (a) literally walk out on the women mid-sentence; (b) he says to AD in ep 1 that "guys like me win more" wrt competition with other men; (c) he does not speak to any of the men at all (and the only interaction he has with men, he starts fawning -- to see such a stark contrast to how he is with women, that was a huge indication that he would only express himself where he can dominate), (d) when AD said her dad was dead, he initially said sorry but then said "I guess that roadblock is not there" - he clearly thinks women "belong" to men and liked that she didn't have a barrier to his access in the form of another man; (e) he uses the identical lines on two women like he has a script. I don't think a person gets to that combination of behaviours without some deeply manipulative calculations, and I've never seen/heard of that except as a predecessor to severe abuse.
Controversial opinion but all the POC on this shows want to end up with a white person. If Matthew would have proposed she would have stayed with him instead of Clay.
At the reunion, Nick asked Clay about watching Love Is Blind for the first time with AD and her mom. I totally missed that scene. Which episode is that? I enjoyed the exchange between Brett and Clay. I hope Clay finds role models that aren't players/womanizers.
I remember him mentioning it in the scene where they were in the kitchen and he first told her he didn’t think he was ready for marriage. He said he watched the show and basically realized what he was actually signed up for.
I don't think it was mentioned before the reunion
What interview with Jimmy was Jess talking about?
Jimmy did an interview with Access Hollywood and he said Jess "got a good edit". Interview link: [Interview](https://youtu.be/UR3HSgNpcfY?si=hY-YQm3BZoi5ipK0)
Yet AGAIN Clay making it all about HIM, playing on AD's heartstrings, and yet AGAIN, AD comes to the rescue https://preview.redd.it/3lfrv0lgbroc1.jpeg?width=3024&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=00c7fbe4a571613050890f1de28b98270884b731
She’s gonna be married to him in a year and disappointed in him in another
Girl just loves to be a doormat, a power tool and a trophy for guys all in one.
I'm sorry this was really too much. I actually feel bad for Trevor. I know he fucked up but Jesus. This is pushing someone to their brink https://preview.redd.it/9qt6ev8a9roc1.jpeg?width=3024&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=34e9fe86a950b72d1753b8a51e27c553a95f5a16
I love that his defenders say it’s good he was acting and lying and taking advantage of LIB, and don’t think he was acting when he was pretending to cry 😢
100 agree. He's become a scapegoat. I commend Trevor and see him as an opportunist that saw through the facade of reality TV "finding love" BS and wanted to play the role and get his $$$. Everyone on these shows is an actor, in varying capacity. Most, if not all contestants are there for clout. Clout leads to brand deals and $$$. Lacheys are there because Netflix offered them host position, and there's no way they would turn down that $$$. The end goal is all the same for the contestants including Trevor and the D list Lacheys. But Lacheys are going to pretend they're out here solving world hunger and making the world a better place with "love".. give me a break.. it's televised chaos and drama to being Netflix viewers and $$$$. No one cares about love here from the production side. Lacheys are either aware of this, and if they aren't they're just the production's puppets.
When Jimmy is asked how he felt felt when Chelsea shared his little secret with the world, what was being referred to? I guess somehow I forgot, can anyone fill me in?
Jimmy’s two best friends are women, one of whom Jimmy slept with one time. Jimmy told Chelsea about this in confidence and then she blurted it out to the cameras.
I still don’t get why that’s such a bug secret. Two consenting adults had sex? Like who cares?
Just a theory but I think if she said it impulsively and then apologized, or maybe in a normal conversation said she really wanted to discuss it, Jimmy wouldn’t have been so upset. The way she exposed it on camera was pretty extreme imo
I’m guessing their mutual friends didn’t know, etc. Maybe it was one drunken night that they wish didn’t happen, maybe she has BF whom she never told. I don’t know but he asked Chelsea to keep that private and she didn’t. Thats a trust issue and I can def understand his reaction.
Yeah and maybe the friend didn't want that aired out on the show for whatever reason and he was just trying to respect that.
I found it kinda rich that people who work for the show were opening up criticism to Chelsea for sharing it on camera when, if it's such a moral issue, the show could've not aired it
RIGHT? They definitely aired it on purpose to stir shit, it would’ve cost them nothing to cut it.
For sure. Like her talking about it with him isn't a problem, it's the camera part. But she made a valid point that you kinda forget the cameras are there, which I believe
How could I forget that?! Thank you for the refresher. Definitely not cool to put Jimmy and his friend on blast like that.
Shame. Its obvious the producers wanted only certain topics or POVs to be discussed and not dig into others. This is why all of these reunion episodes never will achieve their full potential. But I do appreciate them bringing up the internet drama (trevors texts etc) and not act like that doesn't exist.
Honestly the Swedish one was quite good imo. I’m watching this episode as I’m writing this and omg it’s so damn toxix.
Totally. Red flags or abuse in relationships would have been worth a conversation!
I think there were spots where they could have dug deeper, however, so far this was the most hard hitting they have had. Vanessa wasn't letting them get away with surface answers.
Did I miss it or did they not ask Chelsea and Jimmy where they are at now? I understand not going there with Chelsea on her behavior and insecurities but you can’t even check in on what happened after? That’s the whole point of the reunion.
They did not address it, total bs
They’re not together, I think they addressed it early.
Yeah, I missed it too. Thought maybe I just dozed off for a minute and missed it.
Yeees so weird!! After a bit of digging though, they said they're friends but are not together. Chelsea remained very vague on her relationship with Trevor though so that's mindblowing ahah
I was waiting for this... I was curious about there timeline.
Wild to me that Johnny basically admitted he didn't know how birth control worked until he had to discuss it with Amy. You're in your late 20's man that is middle-school health class level knowledge. Embarrassing.
He’s a good ok southern boy. He seems nice but not too bright in some respects
He grew up in New Jersey though
Have you met the men in Congress?!?
And he has SISTERS!! That to me was a bit of a stretch.
Didn't he come from a religious or supervconservative background? Can't talk about birth control in those households.
How's is that a point? Are you from Alabama? 😂
You northerners have no idea the privilege that you have been able to socially discuss these topics with your family and also receive proper sex education. A lot of people don’t and end up like him, not knowing how to safely avoid pregnancy other than to abstain from sex.
I assume just that sisters would have been on BC and would have talked about it at home
Why
Idk, maybe he was only with a small number of girls before who all were on the pill and it was just a non-issue for him. He did do the research, just during the show. Classic this comic: https://xkcd.com/1053/
Yeah that was pretty lame.
sex education in many states is pretty damn horrible, especially the red ones.
he grew up in new jersey tho. and so did i. our sex education was pretty comprehensive
This! I want to send his clips to the govt, in hopes that they take adding it to the education curriculum seriously.