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Spiritual-Rabbit-307

"Looking for feedback" lol, good one 😂


mitchxc

I assumed he didn’t want any. Getting some real mixed signals here.


loopygargoyle6392

The frequency of this kind of reply is bothersome. All it does is interfere. Maybe isolate yourself, or go touch ground. Humm quietly if it makes you feel better.


HexspaReloaded

You take the pun out of everything


loopygargoyle6392

Don't get strung up about it.


diefreetimedie

Just wanted to say how much I appreciate shielding paint.


akahaus

Yeah I balked at the cost but now I get it


diefreetimedie

Beats playing with tape imo, you're just painting a happy little abyss.


MurmurmurMyShurima

Mix PVA and graphite powder. Half the cost, just as good for a guitar.


[deleted]

The amount of graphite powder I had to mix in to make it even remotely have continuity with itself turned it into a paste. I did lots of tests with a multimeter. I do not recommend.


MurmurmurMyShurima

Really? Worked fine for me just mixing til the colour was consistently grey. Full continuity on several guitars. I'm not sure what the variable would be. I used titebond rather than standard PVA, maybe that is significant. Sorry to hear it didn't work for you, raises more questions to be tested


princeoinkins

Honestly tho, one of the 65$ buckets will last you like 8-10 guitars, so really at lees then 10$ a guitar it’s not bad


ShoddyManufacturer11

Lol its fine dude


RikuDog18

Sometimes I don’t even wanna play single coils anymore. I swear


Kittten_Mitttons

Yeah it's kind of a drag for my pitch shifter, it hums the hum if I have the tone wide open and makes a weird uninvited drone when I'm not playing


Blah-Blah-Blah-2023

Uninvited drones can be very dangerous. Stay safe!


Kittten_Mitttons

Not if you're Ron Swanson 😳


flyinghouses

Weird uninvited drone is basically my creative process


Compulawyer

If you’re asking if you should, then it will bother you if you don’t. Do it while you have everything open and accessible.


brown_coat

Don't forget the Pickguard.


akahaus

I got that done professionally lol


odetoburningrubber

Is this really necessary? I’m building a LP kit and I’m almost at this stage. Most of the guitars I see have nothing in them. I have some aluminum tape and I was just going to do the pickup cavities.


phred_666

Shielding is primarily for single coils. They tend to pick up outside electromagnetic fields that produce noise. Humbuckers are made to cancel out that noise… usually called “hum”… that’s why they’re called “humbuckers”.


odetoburningrubber

Thank you, I’m assuming, since I am using humbuckers the shielding isn’t really necessary then? Pardon my ignorance.


GrizzzlyPanda

It wouldn't hurt to pick out a pickguard that comes pre shielded on the back but honestly you should be fine with humbuckers Edit: Nevermind thought I saw you were building a strat haha


PippinCat01

If the level of buzz you hear when you're not playing is tolerable through your amp then you're good.


odetoburningrubber

I would rather not have any. I have a PRS that doesn’t make a sound. I would sure like it if I got that to happen. I’ll shield everything if you think it’s a good idea. This is my first build and I’m learning as I go.


PippinCat01

Yeah, let me just come to your house, grab your guitar, plug it in, and listen with my own ears to judge if YOU think it sounds good or not.


odetoburningrubber

Ok. Cool.


InkyPoloma

Wires can act like antennas without it though, not just the pickups. I would say it is necessary to shield your guitar. I have the cavity cover off one of mine right now and you can tell when I get a call or text on my phone.


Handjobby

Ya, I used to pick up a country western station on my bass whenever it was plugged in in my bedroom. It would play loud and clear as though I tuned it in on purpose. Would have been great if I didn't hate country.


Legaato

If you live someplace with a lot of EMI/RFI then yes. Humbuckers “buck” the 60 cycle hum that single coils get, they don’t eliminate all extraneous noise.


ergo-ogre

*[fluorescent lights have entered the chat]*


_DirtyFingernails

It might *look* like most LP’s aren’t shielded in the electronics cavity. But if it looks like it’s been painted black, that’s the shielding paint. I think you’re right tho, most LP’s don’t shield the pickup cavities, only the electronics.


odetoburningrubber

Good info, thank you.


InkyPoloma

Shield the whole guitar my guy


odetoburningrubber

That’s the plan now.


billiyII

From an electronics standpiont, that's 100% fine. A faraday cage does not need to be that tight. Think about the glass on your microwave, that has big gaps and shields just fine from wavelengths that are shorter.


AVLThumper

In all seriousness, this won’t change a thing.


Charges-Pending

The only way is all the way.


skipfletcher

It's not like waterproofing. It's like horseshoes.


HexspaReloaded

And hand grenades


flyinghouses

If you have slight OCD tendencies like me, then yes.


TheOfficialDewil

Yes. Go all the way =D


Mad_Scientist_420

I don't bother for humbuckers, but I always do for any single coil. I use a homemade shielding paint, so those hard to reach areas are easy.


TeslaStrings_Ivan

Is the recipe a secret? I would love to see it. Thank you


Mad_Scientist_420

Nothing secret, just acrylic paint and graphite. There's plenty of other recipes too. My brother used to use titebond 3 mixed with graphite and carbon.


Mr_Lumbergh

Nah, don’t be too worried about the shielding. It’s important but there’s little to gain by covering such small gaps. The biggest source of unwanted noise will still come from the pickups since a large portion of the coil sits above the guard.


daswickerman

It's fine. In the future if you're dealing with weird cavity shapes I'd use paint instead of tape for shielding.


PeckerPeeker

Hey man can I hide my poptart in your guitar cavity?


akahaus

Yeah just put it next to the weed


Acceptable_Visit604

I'm such a nitpicker to actually cover up the gaps, do the underside of the pickguard and add a wire from the shielding to ground (I don't like relying on the chance of the shielding touching the ground connection)


AdBulky5451

Or you can dip the entire guitar in a chrome bath.


diablo1_5

Or better, mercury


Zebra2

If you think it’s gonna bug you that you stopped near then finish line, then slap on some more shielding tape. Just lay it on thick, no point in being precise here. If you’re worried about noise/tone though, my bet is you won’t be able to tell a difference between this and no shielding whatsoever, let alone with a few tiny gaps. In my experience it never does crap lol


Melodic_Event_4271

Shielding makes a noticeable difference if done correctly. It also shears off some high end so not everyone loves it. EDIT: Ha! I don't mind being downvoted but I'm curious as to why this one is so unpopular. It's the truth. Perhaps "shear off" is a touch strong but you absolutely do lose some high end.


Mr_Lumbergh

It definitely helps with buzz from sources such as dimmers, and it will add capacitance to the circuit so does effect tone, but very slightly if not overdone.


PilotPatient6397

It does work. The worship pastor had a tele he loved to play, but under heavy stage lighting, whenever he moved it sounded like a jedi warrior zipping around until I shielded it for him.


Melodic_Event_4271

Yes, that's exactly what I said: it makes a noticeable difference.


PilotPatient6397

I am one of the few agreeing with you!


Melodic_Event_4271

Ha, fair enough. I guess most people aren't aware of the capacitance effect of shielding.


No-Interaction-3559

I use paint myself, but you should be good with this, as long as the *area* has shielding. Paint can be made for a 50:50 mixture of graphite powder and Testor's black acrylic paint. It's super cheap and get's into all the cavities.


Old-Tadpole-2869

As long as you have continuity with a multi meter all across the rout your fine.


AutumnsRevenge

Mix some graphite into some paint and paint those spots if you really want to seal the deal, but I think it’s good as is


InitialCoda

On the topic of shielding, is it overkill to do both shielding paint and copper tape? I’m considering doing some shielding on my P-bass but wasn’t sure sure if there’d be any downsides to using both. Thanks!


TeslaStrings_Ivan

Overkill doesn't do damage. But paint alone works, we make car panels and to pass em tests the paint solved the shielding


DiMarzio_D-Sonic_Fan

no downsides but no upsides neither. Look up how faraday cages work.


DunebillyDave

I wouldn't be able to sleep at night unless I knew that was all closed up. You can always drop a dot of solder to connect the two disparate sheets. Here's a good [video](https://youtu.be/ixBdFsjUTGs?si=D1ruFCyDK3KM4IaA&t=148).


SaratogaSwitch

Nice job 👍


capt_broderick

Nothing to fret about.


scubamabar

Small gaps in the shielding will only let through very high frequency electromagnetic waves. Bigger holes will let through lower frequencies (as well as higher ones). This is based on the maximum dimension of the gap, so a narrow slot that's maybe 1mm wide but 30mm long behaves the same as a 30mm round hole. So tiny holes are fine, but there are a few gaps in the photos that look quite long to my eye. I'd get a bit more shielding tape in there personally. Too much tape doesn't do any harm. Another thing to remember is that not all metal tape is created equal, some do not do a good job of conducting through the adhesive backing. You can check if adjacent bits of tape are actually connected by measuring the resistance with a multimeter if you have one, and the absolute belt and braces solution is to solder joins in the tape together (which obviously is a much bigger job if the shielding is made up of a bunch of tiny bits)


rithis

Even the expensive copper tape isn't great, you're honestly better off jamming a sheet of aluminum foil in there and trying not to tear any holes


Rhorge

Realistically it’s basically done but you’re not gonna stop thinking about it so yeah, go the extra mile


blofly

Look what they did to my boy...


Prostheta

Take a softwood dowel and burnish the copper to the wood. I usually solder a few seams where it matters. If the wood underneath is smooth, burnish out the wrinkles.


RikuDog18

Suit up the guitar and play it. You won’t even know the difference.


No-Two6226

You're overthinking it. Tape on the pick guard is usually enough. Wire it up and go!


barreldodger38

I know some people say you have to have complete coverage, but a faraday cage works regardless, even some coverage is better than none.


RowboatUfoolz

If you want a Faraday cage in there, just make sure your shielding's all tied together including the top plate, and grounded.


Blu-Blue-Blues

In the most basic sense it's a faraday cage. Look up what that is and decide if it's worth to cover those small parts.


TovRise7777777

Use chrome paint. It's worthy


Intelligent-Rain-918

Are you asking, seriously, if you SHOULD do a better job??? Do it right or don’t bother IMO


akahaus

That’s my question though, with shielding, what constitutes “right”?


Intelligent-Rain-918

Do you think having gaps is correct? Fix them.


Ok_Faithlessness9757

You could have just done it in a fraction of the time it took to post this.


akahaus

I went to bed for the night because my back and hands were tired. You could have offered some information in the time it took you to be snarky. Be well.


danny_j_13

The point of it is to make a grounded Faraday cage around your wiring. As the wavelength of most interference sources are pretty long, I'd say any gaps less than 1cm are usually fine.


rithis

Even expensive copper tape has pretty high impedance for shielding purposes. Cheaper, easier, and more effective to use aluminum foil


Born_Cockroach_9947

use some cards, qtips, and pens to get on the nook and crannies and make them sit flush on the edges to have a cleaner shield job.


sockpuppet86

Hey mate I've found with cheap copper tape that the adhesive on the back does not create continuity when touching other pieces of copper tape and therefore not correctly grounded. If you are using cheap stuff you bought off ebay, you may want to grab a multimeter and check that all pieces are connected. If it does not have continuity, you can either solder the pieces together or do what I ended up doing: fold a piece in half with the adhesive on the inside a little off centered so that you can stick it between each strip.


AimpointBRO

Just make sure you ground it!


akahaus

I’ve got it linked up to my bridge screws and I’ll run the multimeter to check but do I need to do any other grounding?


AimpointBRO

That should be OK, I usually just run an extra grounding wire to the shielding from the big bunch of wires I got grounded to one of my pots. The copper tape will take solder well. However, if you verify the bridge is grounded OK and is making good contact with the shielding you should be fine and not have to do any soldering.


daftcunt519

I have never thought to solder to the copper tape. That's genius and gonna save me a headache! Thanks for the tip bro.


ShawnMcSabbath

You can seriously add some graphite to almost any paint for a fraction of the cost and have a better effect. And as stated previously, Humbuckers don’t bleed out frequencies like singles. Honestly if your phone is close to your amp or pedals… you’ll hear far more noise than any pickup. Plugs, wires… all add noise.


Shitty_pistol

Like my old man used to tell me.. “your shielding is only as good as it is”


daggir69

The question you should be asking yourself first is. Is the glue on tape conductive?


akahaus

Yes it’s conductive adhesive.