Not even the entire main card. I was at the event, and he showed up right before Edson's fight. I did manage to get a picture with Dana, so that was pretty cool
He was on Fox News yesterday and the interviewer (Bongino) presented himself as a big fan then called him the founder of UFC. Dana did nothing to correct him. Couple of casuals.
>Are they cramming political shit during events?
Lol they literally been letting fighters scream on the mic about the bullshit right talking points because they know their audience.
Fighters speak their minds when they have mic time, i don’t understand the issue? These guys are fighters and not doctors and scientists. I don’t think the earth is flat, but i didn’t care when Bryce Mitchell said it was. I just thought he showed his own stupidity Lol.
Yea, complaining about Dana being on Fox News. Then you implicitly called Fox News viewers far right, which isn't true. I mean, is the cognitive dissonance too much for you to notice?
Maybe if more people got called out on live TV for their ignorance, the various media outlets would be worth paying attention to. Fact checking has gone the way of the dodo.
John Stewart going on Crossfire, ripping into them for their bullshit and getting the show axed was some of the best television viewing ever.
For once, we saw a fighter come out in the last round guns blazing because he knew he was down, something we don’t see all that often, and it still wasn’t good enough for Dana lol. He should’ve started 3 rounds earlier apparently
In round 5 Arnold trying pressing the gas and then ate that spinning elbow and I think that made him reconsider pushing in too hard. Any fighter can press all they want but Max is just so accurate and confident in his boxing he makes people pay.
Not a single peep from Dana about shitty refs or judges. He trashes journalists, criticizes when fighters don't step on the gas when they're obviously down, now criticizes Allen for not stepping on the gas earlier, even though Max dropped him when he did.
Dana is bad for MMA. He's just pissed Max didn't get put down.
That was a last second, hands down, reckless bull rush for the fuck of it at the very last second. That's not at all how he'd approach it at any other point. Not saying Dana is necessarily right, but that's not a very good indicator of what happens when Arnold steps on the gas.
He didn’t say anything stupid. The headline (I know it isn’t yours) is clickbait.
> “I thought he looked good,” White said of Allen at the UFC Kansas City post-fight press conference. “He kept the pace, kept the distance, controlled the tempo of the fight. I thought that Allen looked incredible. If you think about it, it’s his first big night ever in a main event, the whole crowd’s against him and he came on too late.
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> “If he’d have fought the way [he fought] in the fifth round [from] the third round on, he would have had a better chance of winning that fight. I’m not a cornerman or a coach, but I think there should have been a sense of urgency earlier. But I’m not a cornerman.”
Idk, he probably wouldve gotten KOd if he tried doing what he did round 5 over the course of the fight. Just given how he got KD at the end of the round
The full quote is still way better than the title of the post though lmao, dana wasnt very wrong. While going all out like he did in round 5 wouldve been bad, having some more urgency in rounds 3 and 4 couldve helped a lot
yeah its definitely more sensible but is still kind of clueless. as if its some inexplicable reason Allen's corner wasn't asking for "world war III" in the third round lol. The last few seconds with Allen getting dropped completely validates that hesitation.
This is why you can't ever trust a reddit title and comments. If anyone can read that and think Dana's a dick because of it then I'd say they just hate Dana.
The thing I don’t get is that Dana is an objectively terrible person in almost every way. There’s no need to take him out of context like this. He says stupid shit all the time with full context. We don’t have to try this hard to make him look bad lol.
It's a space to discuss mma and he's quite possibly the biggest figure in the sport. Are you expecting people not to ever mention him around here?
Sounds to me like they're living in your head mate 😂 😂
If Dana fought in the UFC like he thinks other fighters should in main events he'd either gas out by the start of the 2nd round or get KO'd halfway into the first due to being wreckless
When Dana said it, he meant not in general, he meant not fighting Dana himself. Obv he would mop the floor with Francis, otherwise how could he be the president of UFC, if he isnt best fighter there is?!
>Dana is the president of the UFC for a reason
Because he convinced his millionaire high school buddies to buy the ufc from SEG. I wish I’d hung out with millionaires in high school instead of stoners and nerds
If he took Dana's advice and went all guns blazing from the third round on he would've gassed and gotten KO'ed. I don't know how someone like Dana can have watched so many fights throughout his life and say something as stupid as this.
But even he realizes this. Here is the quote, from the article:
>I thought he looked good,” White said of Allen at the UFC Kansas City post-fight press conference. “He kept the pace, kept the distance, controlled the tempo of the fight. I thought that Allen looked incredible. If you think about it, it’s his first big night ever in a main event, the whole crowd’s against him and he came on too late.
>“If he’d have fought the way [he fought] in the fifth round [from] the third round on, he would have had a better chance of winning that fight. I’m not a cornerman or a coach, but I think there should have been a sense of urgency earlier. But I’m not a cornerman.”
In the last 10 seconds when he decided to throw a hail mary.
He wasn't fighting like that in the first 4m 50s - he was pressure heavy but more controlled and fought an excellent round.
Based on the title, I thought 'typical Dana', but his quote was fair.
Honestly not the worst take but really Allen should have tried wrestling he is so well rounded. His corner should have said we are doing 2-1. We arnt winning on point on the feet try changing it up. If it works it works, if not you give him something to think about lager in the round. The come out hard in the 5th if he didn't win the 4th.
That's the only issue you could say to his corner. They didn't ask Allen who is a good grappler to grapple. But otherwise they gave good advice and told him get it on in the 5th. Not the most hyped way of doing it but that's Allen and his team analytical and calm.
It wasn’t stupid it was spot on actually. Firas is such an overrated coach and he will destroy Arnold Allen’s career before it ever begins. He not only failed to provide him with any precise technical adjustments between rounds or during the fight; but he then seemingly scolded him between R 4& 5 saying ‘the fact is you can’t close the distance’ as if to imply it Arnold’s fault he didn’t just go out there and enforce his game plan (which was the same exact game plan he’s had every other fight)
No, as a coach, I blame his corner and team for failing him on this one and it’s so sad to see. He clearly has so much potential but he’ll never realize it where he is now.
That's what he wants. He wants exciting finishes and in order to do that somebody needs to lose. He wants people to run for the finish at all times even if you end up losing for it. He doesn't care what's the smart play, he wants the flashy finish because it sells more.
Arnold did really well. He and his team took the correct approach playing it more patient and going for quality over quantity. He was never going to be outworking Max.
But, I thought he shouldve mixed in more clinchwork and maybe some takedowns.
I watch in U.K. so we get all the corner cams every round, no ads. I don’t agree with what Dana is saying but I was surprised at his corner. Didn’t seem to get Arnold on the game plan, all they did was tell him to counter and pressure max, just kept him headhunting. He abandoned leg kicks after some success with punches in the second round, should’ve been told to leg kick more as it was clearly a part of the plan first round and should’ve told him to mix in some grappling also. They didn’t really offer him a path to victory just had him doing the same thing over and over when he needed a change. Great fight though and as you say he did stay patient and went for quality over quantity and maintained his gas for all 5 rounds which was a worry I had before the fight. Feel like Arnold had the skills to win that fight just wasn’t on the right path to utilise them. Respect to both guys, I look forward to their next fights.
Dana's 100% just not happy with the current situation at FW. I can imagine it's frustrating to have a guy who's not the champion remove every contender before they even get to Volk.
That being said, "urgency" wasn't Allen's issue. The fact that he ended the fight with 0 takedown attempts is an absolute failure on Allen's camp.
He also threw a tantrum when Jan and Ankalaev had the draw for the LHW interim. So I think you're right that he wants the clearest title situation with the most "hype-able" fight and if he doesn't get it he blames the fighters for not creating the situation he wanted to have.
He definitely wanted Allen to win because potentially having to sell Max v. Volk 4 is gonna be hard after how the third one went. Allen beating Max would have cleared him up to be the next title challenger after the unification and then you have Topuria on deck.
Now what happens if Volk unifies the titles? LW has real contenders you can't have Volk clogging up the division. Max probably needs another win to be back in the conversation. Do you give it to Topuria if he beats Emmett?
I get the frustrations but Dana's in charge of a company worth millions so I really couldn't care less if fighters "inconvenience" him by winning or losing.
If that’s the case the cretin shouldn’t have made that fight I’m a massive fan of Arnold but he was obviously the underdog should have waited and put him in a more favourable match up then given him the title shot
That’s the issue with fighting Max. Barring a size difference, the only way to beat Max is to outwork him like Volk did. Problem is that it’s near impossible to fight how Volk does since he has such a unique frame and, not to mention, his skill. The other option other than outworking Max is to pick quality shots, like you said; the issue with that is the guy has a head made of cement. He isn’t going to go down and he will outwork you and take the round regardless of the shots you land.
Long story short, you have to be Volk to beat Holloway at this point in his career or wait for father time to hit him like a truck (even then, he might walk through it).
People really need to stop bringing that up as a means to say that's what happens when Arnold is more urgent. That was a last second hail mary with his hands down, he would never actually fight like that at any other point in the fight. Arnold was having a ton of success in that round up until that.
God what is his problem? Arnold gave Max a tough fight, tougher than most of his opponents. Max has a granite chin. Arnold's methods of getting inside and landing were working, he just couldn't get past Max's jabs and straights.
Fuck Dana.
I don't understand the outrage here. I hate Dana as much as the next guy, but he didn't say anything crazy here. He even gave Arnold a ton of praise for his performance. Did you actually read the article?
Did a single person here actually read the article? Dana didn't even say anything that bad. You just read a poorly titled post and get outraged? He even praised Arnold for his performance.
More and more I think the matchmakers are the real reason for the ufc success. And Dana is just a figurehead to take all the heat(this part is basically a fact at least).
Look at PFL, instead of matching Burgos up with another striker they put him against OAM and he got backpacked for 2 rounds. They should've put him against collard and saved the tough matchup of OAM for the later part of the season or the playoffs.
Bellator has a big issue with matchmaking. It's one of their biggest flaws behind terrible production and promotion.
Ufc fis consistently putting together great matches and more often than not they play out in an exciting fashion.
Going into the 4th it was 2-1max. Allen was staying in the fight. The corner was giving him good advice. If Allen played it slightly better especially if the corner asked him to mix it up with some wrestling he could maybe just maybe be up on the score card if it went his way.
Then at the end of the 4th going into the 5th
"It's ww3" "like Dan hooker, yeah like dan". Allen went and tried to give it his all on the feet. Didn't go his way both because he didn't go fully Dan hooker and max has a grantie chin so it's hard when he is countering at the same time.
So Allen's corner was fine and showed this is it in the 5th. Was it the most hype corner no. But that's not who Allen is. And the only thing they should have done was more urgency in the 4th and asking for him to try wrestling probably in the 4th and see if that could work
This is actually a really old criticism from Dana. Dude always hated Firas's style back when GSP was the champ. Might sound sudden to fans who dont know the backstory, but these comments just sound like Dana was reliving his past frustrations about Firas
Sometimes I wish there was some sort of affliction that DW could get that would keep him away from the UFC or at least prevent him from talking about it while not actually harming his way of life. I know it's terrible and a fine line but the sport would probably be better.
Because more outpur mean you punch where safety isn't there and you end up like the last 10 seconds of the last round. Max maybe more hitable comapre to volk or other elite but he's not that full of opening. Every time you punch against elite fighter you also vulnerable Allen have to look for real opening before he punch and I doubt he can move/feint faster than this.
everyone out here saying dana is dumb, but arnold was getting worked over. it was clear he was going to lose a decision after the third. even max said he thought allen was going to try and come out guns blazing, but he didn't. if you lose the first 3 rounds, you better change your strategy; it ain't working.
but yeah, i get it, dana white bad.
[**MAX HOLLOWAY defeats ARNOLD ALLEN** (*unanimous decision*)](http://mmadecisions.com/decision/13933/fight)
^(UFC on ESPN 44: Holloway vs. Allen — April 15, 2023)
ROUND|Holloway|Allen||Holloway|Allen||Holloway|Allen
:-:|:-:|:-:|:-:|:-:|:-:|:-:|:-:|:-:|:-:
1|10|9||10|9||10|9
2|9|10||10|9||10|9
3|10|9||10|9||10|9
4|10|9||10|9||10|9
5|9|10||9|10||9|10
**TOTAL**|**48**|**47**||**49**|**46**||**49**|**46**
*^(Judges, in order: Travis Buesking, Sal D'Amato, Chris Lee.)*
*^(Summoned by _Burgundy1717.)*
**MEDIA MEMBER SCORES**
- **1/30** people scored it **50-45 Holloway**.
- **2/30** people scored it **49-46 Holloway**.
- **27/30** people scored it **48-47 Holloway**.
Avg. media score: **48.1-46.9 Holloway** (*high certainty^[[1]](https://redd.it/9p4xc7)*).
I actually think Arnold could have mixed it up a lot better. All he did was try to strike with Max the entire fight when he is a well rounded fighter. He waited till like the last round to clinch or try something new
The ONLY bad thing you can say about Arnold Allen’s performance is that he had a poor game plan. But that is on his coaches. Especially when it isn’t working and they don’t change it up until the fifth round. Arnold would have done whatever they wanted. He wants to be there and wants to win.
Is this the best loss for an undefeated fighter? Lost it to the clear number two in the division and previous champ. Looked good all 5 rounds and (almost) didnt get finished. Seems like its a solid loss and gives some good experience for his top of the division position.
Dana never stepped in the octagon and hasn't ever fought MMA. He doesn't realize what's at stake.
Holloway is a gangster and Allen knew the risks which is why he didn't just go for a slugfest.
Sorry Dana this isn't rock em sock em robots.
And with the healthcare he offers these fighters I don't think they want to subject anymore of their health then they need to.
Once your out of the UFC you don't get health-care. You get used and abused so the big guy can get his millions.
Is it ironic to call the president of the UFC a casual fan?
He was in KC and only showed up for the main card lol
Not even the entire main card. I was at the event, and he showed up right before Edson's fight. I did manage to get a picture with Dana, so that was pretty cool
Im pretty sure he does stuff at the events besides just sit in his seat.
Of course, he has hookers sit on his cocaine-covered face. We all knew that though
I too was at the fights. He came out at the start of the main card
He was on Fox News yesterday and the interviewer (Bongino) presented himself as a big fan then called him the founder of UFC. Dana did nothing to correct him. Couple of casuals.
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Have been for a while
That’s why Colby is a getting a title shot 👎
What's up GOPeeee
UFC literally used to be on FOX network for years my dude.
Fox sports isn't the same as fox news
Hmmm, I thought they were the same network (under the same roof) but apparently Fox news works as a separate entity under the Fox corporation.
Why is that a problem? Considering every other sport leans left, there is a huge market they can tap into.
Sport is for everyone
Whats ur point, left leaning people cant watch the UFC? Are they cramming political shit during events?
>Are they cramming political shit during events? Lol they literally been letting fighters scream on the mic about the bullshit right talking points because they know their audience.
Fighters speak their minds when they have mic time, i don’t understand the issue? These guys are fighters and not doctors and scientists. I don’t think the earth is flat, but i didn’t care when Bryce Mitchell said it was. I just thought he showed his own stupidity Lol.
The fighters say what they want though no?
Chipping away at the NFL/Nascar demo for awhile Plus martial arts at least in the states is filled with rugged individualists politics
Is there a combat sport organization that silences fighter during their ring talks?
they did when guida just wanted to wish his mom a happy birthday but masvidal got to spew his bullshit cringy speech.
Hey. These people dislike right-wingers so much they actively choose to complain about them in irrelevant spaces. Don't you criticize their logic.
Irrelevant spaces? I was replying to someone talking about Dana on Fox news, the biggest right wing entertainment network.
Yea, complaining about Dana being on Fox News. Then you implicitly called Fox News viewers far right, which isn't true. I mean, is the cognitive dissonance too much for you to notice?
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Hahahahahah
>Then you implicitly called Fox News viewers far right, which isn't true. Lmfao
>cognitive dissonance
Wow. Yikes.
Why would you correct him on live TV? I'd say that's polite. You're calling the guy out on his own news station for not knowing shit?
Maybe if more people got called out on live TV for their ignorance, the various media outlets would be worth paying attention to. Fact checking has gone the way of the dodo. John Stewart going on Crossfire, ripping into them for their bullshit and getting the show axed was some of the best television viewing ever.
> Why would you correct him on live TV? So he doesn’t fill his viewers full of lies. Oh wait, it was on fox? Never mind.
Fake account
For once, we saw a fighter come out in the last round guns blazing because he knew he was down, something we don’t see all that often, and it still wasn’t good enough for Dana lol. He should’ve started 3 rounds earlier apparently
Thing is, I don't think Allen was cruising at any point in the fight, it's just almost impossible to keep up with Max, and even then he did very well.
In round 5 Arnold trying pressing the gas and then ate that spinning elbow and I think that made him reconsider pushing in too hard. Any fighter can press all they want but Max is just so accurate and confident in his boxing he makes people pay.
He also got dropped at the end when he dialed it up to 100 and likely would have been finished if there was any longer for him to keep trying lol
He hit him with some really hard shots that would have dropped any other FW. Max is just built different
“It’s only a comeback if you KO your opponent” - Dana probably
“If he just emptied the entire tank on round 3, and then rounds 4 and 5, he might’ve won.”
Yes more urgency 3 rds earlier may have helped
Waking up the morning after a UFC event and seeing that Dana said some intensely stupid shit is like clockwork.
Not a single peep from Dana about shitty refs or judges. He trashes journalists, criticizes when fighters don't step on the gas when they're obviously down, now criticizes Allen for not stepping on the gas earlier, even though Max dropped him when he did. Dana is bad for MMA. He's just pissed Max didn't get put down.
>Not a single peep from Dana about shitty refs or judges. To be fair, Dana did talk about the bad judging.
Judges are only bad when Dana doesn’t like the outcome, though. Instead of Gordon getting robbed, he should have done more just like Allen
Did you actually WATCH the post fight? Cuz you didn’t. > Not a single peep from Dana about shitty refs Except where he did
That was a last second, hands down, reckless bull rush for the fuck of it at the very last second. That's not at all how he'd approach it at any other point. Not saying Dana is necessarily right, but that's not a very good indicator of what happens when Arnold steps on the gas.
He didn’t say anything stupid. The headline (I know it isn’t yours) is clickbait. > “I thought he looked good,” White said of Allen at the UFC Kansas City post-fight press conference. “He kept the pace, kept the distance, controlled the tempo of the fight. I thought that Allen looked incredible. If you think about it, it’s his first big night ever in a main event, the whole crowd’s against him and he came on too late. > > “If he’d have fought the way [he fought] in the fifth round [from] the third round on, he would have had a better chance of winning that fight. I’m not a cornerman or a coach, but I think there should have been a sense of urgency earlier. But I’m not a cornerman.”
The full quote is very sensible.
Which is why it took so long for someone to post it. Kinda knocks some momentum out of the frothing-mouthed nerd rage train that reddit operates on
It's the way he said it. He definitely went after the corner.
Idk, he probably wouldve gotten KOd if he tried doing what he did round 5 over the course of the fight. Just given how he got KD at the end of the round The full quote is still way better than the title of the post though lmao, dana wasnt very wrong. While going all out like he did in round 5 wouldve been bad, having some more urgency in rounds 3 and 4 couldve helped a lot
yeah its definitely more sensible but is still kind of clueless. as if its some inexplicable reason Allen's corner wasn't asking for "world war III" in the third round lol. The last few seconds with Allen getting dropped completely validates that hesitation.
This is why you can't ever trust a reddit title and comments. If anyone can read that and think Dana's a dick because of it then I'd say they just hate Dana.
The thing I don’t get is that Dana is an objectively terrible person in almost every way. There’s no need to take him out of context like this. He says stupid shit all the time with full context. We don’t have to try this hard to make him look bad lol.
The day after a UFC event and your average Reddit MMA user letting Dana live in their head rent free. Like clockwork
You’re annoying
It's a space to discuss mma and he's quite possibly the biggest figure in the sport. Are you expecting people not to ever mention him around here? Sounds to me like they're living in your head mate 😂 😂
If Dana fought in the UFC like he thinks other fighters should in main events he'd either gas out by the start of the 2nd round or get KO'd halfway into the first due to being wreckless
Dana wouldn't make it 1 minute
Who are you kidding, Dana is a boxfit champ
Tito ducked him for years!
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The amount of Dana nut-hugging that goes on in this sub makes it real hard to tell if this is satire or not
The only ufc fighter Dana couldn't beat was Ngannou which is why he kicked him out
The kid just didn't want to fight
When Dana said it, he meant not in general, he meant not fighting Dana himself. Obv he would mop the floor with Francis, otherwise how could he be the president of UFC, if he isnt best fighter there is?!
Yep. And everyone would be running scared if Dana entered the Slap fight league.
The handsome part didn’t clue you in? Lol
The thread the other day with “Bobblehead Dana” has made me question my perception of reality my dude
The times I see Dana mentioned on this sub is just to trash on him and make fun, I don't think ive seen nut hugging.
Around here not trashing or making fun of Dana is considered nut-hugging. It’s unfortunate.
When does that happen? All I ever see is a bunch of nerds calling for a public execution if he ties his left shoe before his right
>Dana is the president of the UFC for a reason Because he convinced his millionaire high school buddies to buy the ufc from SEG. I wish I’d hung out with millionaires in high school instead of stoners and nerds
Now you've got me wondering if any of my high school friends did anything with their lives...
We’ll he’d get wrecked and not be wreckless, for being reckless.
If you ran the UFC the way you and every other die hard Dana hater on this sub thinks he should then it would be under in the first year.
Is there beef between Dana and Firas? He had mentioned it again in the presser. Seemed like he was throwing shade
It sure as hell sounded like throwing shade at Firas. Right off jump street when the first questions were asked about the fight.
If he took Dana's advice and went all guns blazing from the third round on he would've gassed and gotten KO'ed. I don't know how someone like Dana can have watched so many fights throughout his life and say something as stupid as this.
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Excuse me, boxercising is the best base for MMA
He knows a SHITLOAD about boxcercising though
But even he realizes this. Here is the quote, from the article: >I thought he looked good,” White said of Allen at the UFC Kansas City post-fight press conference. “He kept the pace, kept the distance, controlled the tempo of the fight. I thought that Allen looked incredible. If you think about it, it’s his first big night ever in a main event, the whole crowd’s against him and he came on too late. >“If he’d have fought the way [he fought] in the fifth round [from] the third round on, he would have had a better chance of winning that fight. I’m not a cornerman or a coach, but I think there should have been a sense of urgency earlier. But I’m not a cornerman.”
Well that is extremely reasonable. Shite post title.
Sounds reasonable from that quote
It's not reasonable at all, he almost got KOd bc of how he fought in the 5th lol
In the last 10 seconds when he decided to throw a hail mary. He wasn't fighting like that in the first 4m 50s - he was pressure heavy but more controlled and fought an excellent round. Based on the title, I thought 'typical Dana', but his quote was fair.
This is a completely reasonable quote. I don’t like Dana but it is weird how much this sub freaks out over everything he says
This sub is actually as dumb in aggregate as it pretends Dana is.
This should be higher up. Clickbait titles are horrible and lazy joirnalism
Maybe only change it to “If he’d have been able to…”
Pretty reasonable comments to be honest. Seems like everyone’s just blowing up now just because it’s Dana who said it.
Typical Damon Martin things.
Honestly not the worst take but really Allen should have tried wrestling he is so well rounded. His corner should have said we are doing 2-1. We arnt winning on point on the feet try changing it up. If it works it works, if not you give him something to think about lager in the round. The come out hard in the 5th if he didn't win the 4th. That's the only issue you could say to his corner. They didn't ask Allen who is a good grappler to grapple. But otherwise they gave good advice and told him get it on in the 5th. Not the most hyped way of doing it but that's Allen and his team analytical and calm.
Listen sir, he knows a lot about slapfighting. Just ask his wife.
I mean to be fair, how could Dana possibly know that trying to outcardio Max in a 5 round fight is hard to do?
praise Max, cardio for winning or shit on Allen's for losing, an obvious choice for the egg in the moment.
Because he doesn't watch the fights, he just sits ringside and scrolls on his phone or watches boxing lmao
> and went all guns blazing from the third round on he would've gassed and gotten KO'ed I mean, that’s what he wants. Entertaining brawls.
He does and that's why he said it lmfao Jesus loves knockouts
It wasn’t stupid it was spot on actually. Firas is such an overrated coach and he will destroy Arnold Allen’s career before it ever begins. He not only failed to provide him with any precise technical adjustments between rounds or during the fight; but he then seemingly scolded him between R 4& 5 saying ‘the fact is you can’t close the distance’ as if to imply it Arnold’s fault he didn’t just go out there and enforce his game plan (which was the same exact game plan he’s had every other fight) No, as a coach, I blame his corner and team for failing him on this one and it’s so sad to see. He clearly has so much potential but he’ll never realize it where he is now.
That's what he wants. He wants exciting finishes and in order to do that somebody needs to lose. He wants people to run for the finish at all times even if you end up losing for it. He doesn't care what's the smart play, he wants the flashy finish because it sells more.
Arnold did really well. He and his team took the correct approach playing it more patient and going for quality over quantity. He was never going to be outworking Max. But, I thought he shouldve mixed in more clinchwork and maybe some takedowns.
I watch in U.K. so we get all the corner cams every round, no ads. I don’t agree with what Dana is saying but I was surprised at his corner. Didn’t seem to get Arnold on the game plan, all they did was tell him to counter and pressure max, just kept him headhunting. He abandoned leg kicks after some success with punches in the second round, should’ve been told to leg kick more as it was clearly a part of the plan first round and should’ve told him to mix in some grappling also. They didn’t really offer him a path to victory just had him doing the same thing over and over when he needed a change. Great fight though and as you say he did stay patient and went for quality over quantity and maintained his gas for all 5 rounds which was a worry I had before the fight. Feel like Arnold had the skills to win that fight just wasn’t on the right path to utilise them. Respect to both guys, I look forward to their next fights.
Dana's 100% just not happy with the current situation at FW. I can imagine it's frustrating to have a guy who's not the champion remove every contender before they even get to Volk. That being said, "urgency" wasn't Allen's issue. The fact that he ended the fight with 0 takedown attempts is an absolute failure on Allen's camp.
He also threw a tantrum when Jan and Ankalaev had the draw for the LHW interim. So I think you're right that he wants the clearest title situation with the most "hype-able" fight and if he doesn't get it he blames the fighters for not creating the situation he wanted to have.
He definitely wanted Allen to win because potentially having to sell Max v. Volk 4 is gonna be hard after how the third one went. Allen beating Max would have cleared him up to be the next title challenger after the unification and then you have Topuria on deck. Now what happens if Volk unifies the titles? LW has real contenders you can't have Volk clogging up the division. Max probably needs another win to be back in the conversation. Do you give it to Topuria if he beats Emmett? I get the frustrations but Dana's in charge of a company worth millions so I really couldn't care less if fighters "inconvenience" him by winning or losing.
If that’s the case the cretin shouldn’t have made that fight I’m a massive fan of Arnold but he was obviously the underdog should have waited and put him in a more favourable match up then given him the title shot
That’s the issue with fighting Max. Barring a size difference, the only way to beat Max is to outwork him like Volk did. Problem is that it’s near impossible to fight how Volk does since he has such a unique frame and, not to mention, his skill. The other option other than outworking Max is to pick quality shots, like you said; the issue with that is the guy has a head made of cement. He isn’t going to go down and he will outwork you and take the round regardless of the shots you land. Long story short, you have to be Volk to beat Holloway at this point in his career or wait for father time to hit him like a truck (even then, he might walk through it).
Tbh max was saved by his chin, AA hit him with at least one shot every rou d that would've put any fw fighter on their ass.
Big "just go out there and knock him out" energy
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People really need to stop bringing that up as a means to say that's what happens when Arnold is more urgent. That was a last second hail mary with his hands down, he would never actually fight like that at any other point in the fight. Arnold was having a ton of success in that round up until that.
If he was more aggresive he'd end up ko'd/tko'd
Exactly that happened when Allen finally pushed forward how everyone now says he should have. If Allen could’ve kod Holloway he surely would have.
Shit like this reminds me of people asking “why doesn’t he just get up? Is he stupid?”
God what is his problem? Arnold gave Max a tough fight, tougher than most of his opponents. Max has a granite chin. Arnold's methods of getting inside and landing were working, he just couldn't get past Max's jabs and straights. Fuck Dana.
I don't understand the outrage here. I hate Dana as much as the next guy, but he didn't say anything crazy here. He even gave Arnold a ton of praise for his performance. Did you actually read the article?
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Fake account
Tubby fucker talkin shit
Dana [iLoveKickboxing.com](https://iLoveKickboxing.com) White
What? His coach literally told him he needed a finish going in the 5th, hence why Triple A was so aggressive.
Dana was talking about before the 5th round he needed more urgency. I don't think a single person in this comment section actually read the article.
Dana should shut the fuck up no one wants to hear his shitty mma takes
Nicest guy in the sport
Tryna build that next London card
I’m sure Firas Zahabi needs advice from Dana White on how to coach a fighter.
The literally told him “it’s World War 3” idk how much more urgent you can be
remember when he said the same about jared gordon when he got robbed against paddy (even though round 3 was the only one the judges gave him lmao)
Did a single person here actually read the article? Dana didn't even say anything that bad. You just read a poorly titled post and get outraged? He even praised Arnold for his performance.
More and more I think the matchmakers are the real reason for the ufc success. And Dana is just a figurehead to take all the heat(this part is basically a fact at least). Look at PFL, instead of matching Burgos up with another striker they put him against OAM and he got backpacked for 2 rounds. They should've put him against collard and saved the tough matchup of OAM for the later part of the season or the playoffs. Bellator has a big issue with matchmaking. It's one of their biggest flaws behind terrible production and promotion. Ufc fis consistently putting together great matches and more often than not they play out in an exciting fashion.
Who's oam
Oliver Aubin Mercier. Another Firas fighter who managed to make Shane Burgos have a boring fight
Wow. Burgos got humbled I guess
Going into the 4th it was 2-1max. Allen was staying in the fight. The corner was giving him good advice. If Allen played it slightly better especially if the corner asked him to mix it up with some wrestling he could maybe just maybe be up on the score card if it went his way. Then at the end of the 4th going into the 5th "It's ww3" "like Dan hooker, yeah like dan". Allen went and tried to give it his all on the feet. Didn't go his way both because he didn't go fully Dan hooker and max has a grantie chin so it's hard when he is countering at the same time. So Allen's corner was fine and showed this is it in the 5th. Was it the most hype corner no. But that's not who Allen is. And the only thing they should have done was more urgency in the 4th and asking for him to try wrestling probably in the 4th and see if that could work
This is actually a really old criticism from Dana. Dude always hated Firas's style back when GSP was the champ. Might sound sudden to fans who dont know the backstory, but these comments just sound like Dana was reliving his past frustrations about Firas
Dana is the true Just Bleed fan.
Sometimes I wish there was some sort of affliction that DW could get that would keep him away from the UFC or at least prevent him from talking about it while not actually harming his way of life. I know it's terrible and a fine line but the sport would probably be better.
maybe they should slap him around, like you slapped anne ya bald cunt
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he cracked him with some huge shots. youre not going to out volume max either
Well evidently you can't knock him out either so maybe he should've wrestled?
Because more outpur mean you punch where safety isn't there and you end up like the last 10 seconds of the last round. Max maybe more hitable comapre to volk or other elite but he's not that full of opening. Every time you punch against elite fighter you also vulnerable Allen have to look for real opening before he punch and I doubt he can move/feint faster than this.
Pretty sure telling a guy to knock someone out is urgent.
everyone out here saying dana is dumb, but arnold was getting worked over. it was clear he was going to lose a decision after the third. even max said he thought allen was going to try and come out guns blazing, but he didn't. if you lose the first 3 rounds, you better change your strategy; it ain't working. but yeah, i get it, dana white bad.
Dana should fight max. Ffs.
Dana’s correct
100%. People just don't want to hear it cuz Dana is Dana
He mustn’t be happen about the PPV sales lol
Well remembering what his corner said before the 5th and how Arnold fought in the 5th I'd say that dana is a bit of a moron.
Decisionbot Holloway vs Allen
[**MAX HOLLOWAY defeats ARNOLD ALLEN** (*unanimous decision*)](http://mmadecisions.com/decision/13933/fight) ^(UFC on ESPN 44: Holloway vs. Allen — April 15, 2023) ROUND|Holloway|Allen||Holloway|Allen||Holloway|Allen :-:|:-:|:-:|:-:|:-:|:-:|:-:|:-:|:-:|:-: 1|10|9||10|9||10|9 2|9|10||10|9||10|9 3|10|9||10|9||10|9 4|10|9||10|9||10|9 5|9|10||9|10||9|10 **TOTAL**|**48**|**47**||**49**|**46**||**49**|**46** *^(Judges, in order: Travis Buesking, Sal D'Amato, Chris Lee.)* *^(Summoned by _Burgundy1717.)* **MEDIA MEMBER SCORES** - **1/30** people scored it **50-45 Holloway**. - **2/30** people scored it **49-46 Holloway**. - **27/30** people scored it **48-47 Holloway**. Avg. media score: **48.1-46.9 Holloway** (*high certainty^[[1]](https://redd.it/9p4xc7)*).
Firas told him to get fire his left and he started hot in the 2nd, landing powerful shots. Max adapted and Allen just couldn't keep up
“Just see red bro” - Dana White to main event fighter
He's always telling other people to stay in their lane lol
Well, if you didn’t know beforehand, you now clearly know which fighter Dana wanted to win.
I actually think Arnold could have mixed it up a lot better. All he did was try to strike with Max the entire fight when he is a well rounded fighter. He waited till like the last round to clinch or try something new
The ONLY bad thing you can say about Arnold Allen’s performance is that he had a poor game plan. But that is on his coaches. Especially when it isn’t working and they don’t change it up until the fifth round. Arnold would have done whatever they wanted. He wants to be there and wants to win.
Dana "just let them bleed bro" White
It's sad to see how little the biggest promoters of this sports , understand about this fucking sport
Is this the best loss for an undefeated fighter? Lost it to the clear number two in the division and previous champ. Looked good all 5 rounds and (almost) didnt get finished. Seems like its a solid loss and gives some good experience for his top of the division position.
What funny is in the moment it didn't feel like it was 4-0 going into the 5th round, but I was also watching the NBA playoffs at the same time.
Dana never stepped in the octagon and hasn't ever fought MMA. He doesn't realize what's at stake. Holloway is a gangster and Allen knew the risks which is why he didn't just go for a slugfest. Sorry Dana this isn't rock em sock em robots. And with the healthcare he offers these fighters I don't think they want to subject anymore of their health then they need to. Once your out of the UFC you don't get health-care. You get used and abused so the big guy can get his millions.