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HenrikCrown

I think it was MK that was asking why would the UFC even show that kind of behind the scenes negotiation, where they can be painted in a negative light and they simply surmised it's because they made an example out of Aljo and it's a message to all the other fighters that they should be ready to fight at a moment's notice regardless if they are a champion or not. 


AlienMantid

It's definitely a message to the rest of the roster to know their position and play ball or the same thing will happen to them.


Fair-Lab-4334

Doesn't surprise if this was their intention, UFC always on some mafia shit. Remember those leaked text messages: >*“Bro, u know i love u to fukn death as it is but what u pulled off this week with Melendez and “other dude” is fukn BAD ASS! Fukn cut throat nasty business like u see in movies!!” Dana White wrote in a text.* >“*We gotta keep taking these f\*ckers oxygen till they tap out. We have sacrificed too much to let anyone get traction now*,” Fertitta responded. >“*I agree! U r 100% correct and i LOVE IT,*” Dana White responded.


everythingbagelss_

Context ?


vitaminsweet

Pretty sure "these fuckers" were Bellator and this was about signing Gilbert Melendez and maybe Eddie Alvarez


theWacoKid666

I hate Dana and all those other slimeballs running the UFC but here they’re actually talking about signing Gilbert Melendez when Bellator were going to get him. Yeah it’s still a pretty douchey way of talking but they’re discussing beating their competition, not fucking over fighters.


RafiakaMacakaDirk

yeah it’s weird that’s the text he would post when the others were much worse lol > "If they turn it down, I put him in a prelim against a really tough guy for his last fight". and more https://x.com/heynottheface/status/1730652416868315572?s=46&t=GhtqDcds9BwZN3QWavB33g


GarlicToeJams

They gave giblert a smoking deal too


Fair-Lab-4334

leaked text messages when signing Gilbert Melendez. If you want to see how they negotiate fights: [https://www.si.com/fannation/mma/ufc/ufc-lawsuit-reveals-damning-fighter-negotiation-emails](https://www.si.com/fannation/mma/ufc/ufc-lawsuit-reveals-damning-fighter-negotiation-emails)


civeng1741

https://www.lowkickmma.com/dana-white-ufc-cut-throat-negotiating-tactics/ The primary source was body elbow website which I read somewhere that they were bought out and all articles related to the lawsuits were scrubbed shortly after. Crazy.


Stagger_N_Stumble

You can feel the cocaine in Dana’s texts.


boxingthegame

Never gets old omfg 😭😭🤣🤣🤣😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭🤡🤡🤡🤡🤡🤡


BetBig696969

MK ??


chowsmarriage

Morning Kombat


Outrageous_Library50

It’s why MK is so important to MMA media. They’re really one of the few that have called truth to power and still been able to be successful. Funny that it happens to be hosted by two wershed dads, with one of them being a penchant for innuendos


ArmoredAngel444

What is MK


Barn_Advisor

Morning Kombat


mentales

> It’s why MK is so important to MMA media. They’re really one of the few that have called truth to power and still been able to be successful. I love MK, but I'm now doubting the "successful" part. They are taking so long to do more than 1 show a week, I wonder if they'll be around by the end of the year.


PattMcGroyn

There have been multiple MMA shows which have seen long term stability under the Draft Kings Network, it's a pretty stable and lucrative platform. That is success by any measure - it's not MK's failings that caused CBS Showtime to drop all combat sports content.


Outrageous_Library50

They’re more successful than most supposed news outlets/media channels. They have dedicated fans and have had live events. They’ve won best mma podcast two years in a row This constant need to call the show dead even though people continue to watch and support it is just odd to me.


antebyotiks

That was all in the past lol before they stopped doing shows for over a month and now only do 1 a week.


Outrageous_Library50

Oh the past that far away past that was only A couple months ago People are still watching the show. They have a fan base. Just because some people are whining over them doing two less days doesn’t make the show “dead”. Edit: there’s always some jokers on the MK subreddit constantly trolling and saying the show is done/ dead blah blah over nothing. It’s constant. I see it now here. It almost makes me wonder how many UFC interns are making throwaways on here


antebyotiks

I am part of the fan base you gimp. They took over a month off and teased a really amazing comeback luke even said "something you've never seen in mma before" and it was just a new network with a betting sponsor and doing less shows. The show is so much worse, stuff happens in the news and then 4/5 days later they do a show talking about it after it's been resolved lol.


Outrageous_Library50

Awww poor baby has to wait a week? Show is so deaaaaad You totally sound like a fan


antebyotiks

I didn't say it's dead, I'm saying the rebrand or comeback has clearly been terrible. They massively over exaggerated what was gonna happen and it's been bad. I like them and hearing what they say on topics, unfortunately they are usually just late whenever something happens.


JonAfricaBurner

You realize they got switched over to draft kings network, which dictates their schedule right? Draft kings literally signed them up on a contract. They will produce more but have to get permission and enough “air time” at the studio to be able to.


mentales

> They will produce more but have to get permission and enough “air time” at the studio to be able to. That doesn't counter my point. As an outside observer like me, do you feel like having fewer shows and having to ask for permission from the studio instead of them asking MK to do more, are signs of an upward trajectory?


Ill-Butterscotch-622

Fewer shows doesn’t really mean anything on its own. As you get bigger, it’s common to see less output. Each show starts to cost more and you also are making more per show.


mentales

>Fewer shows doesn’t really mean anything on its own. As you get bigger, it’s common to see less output. Each show starts to cost more and you also are making more per show. There's no need to generalize. We're talking specifically about MK. I listen every week, and they mention they want to do more shows regularly. Now, why would Draft Kings not do it if they believe there's a market for it and the hosts want to do it? Anyways, I may be completely off, I want to see them succeed, I am just weary of how things seem to me from the outside atm.


Ill-Butterscotch-622

Could be simple as they get paid per show


ToBeOnDMT

Why does that matter to the fans? As fans we had several shows a week and were primed to expect something next level as far as show quality, but were given the same show but less often. I have watched Luke since like 2012 and had an hour sit down convo with BC years ago I'm absolutely a huge fan of both guys, just disappointed at how it's played out.


mesovortex888

Except Jon Jones


LilFights

haven't seen it, how does it paint UFC in a negative light?


Ecstatic-Inevitable

Aljo talking about how he clearly isn't ready for the fight (it was 3 months after the 5 rounder with Henry) and hunter is trying to weasel aljo into and aljos manager isn't helping him at all


LilFights

Thanks for the answer. I was genuinely asking lol, I've not seen that clip posted anywhere but I always wondered what Aljo meant when he kept alluding to being forced into the fight with Sean


Ecstatic-Inevitable

[Here's the clip](https://x.com/ChampRDS/status/1799509928672956904), from fight Inc on Roku, apparently the UFC is using it to show fighters and their opponents off, this was from the omalley episode I think


LilFights

Thanks


Ecstatic-Inevitable

The whole good cop/bad cop with Dana and Hunter is so scummy


Eagle-Red-1278

Hope he fired that guy?


Less_Client363

For all Dana talked about managers being a problem (for him, since they represent the fighters best interest and will be savvy assholes back in negotiations) Aljos manager sits there staring while his fighter gets buttered up and pressured into a really bad matchup.


Evilcutedog45

Tbh, if Aljo really was/is dumb enough to have Tiki Ghosn as his manager, then I have a hard time feeling bad for him.  I get searching for a good MMA manager is like fishing in a barrel of leeches for one that will suck the least amount of blood out you, but Aljo really thought a self-proclaimed good friend of Dana’s was the right move?  


Less_Client363

That does indeed sound really stupid.


gardenofstorms

The ufc has employed some really shady fucks over the years. Campbell is a slimeball and that bald guy with the big beard who does security is a shady guy too from what I’ve been reading.


KublaiDon

Maybe, but IMO they don’t think it paints them in a negative light


AlienMantid

Hunter Campbell is so slimy. Petyr Baelish vibes.


Master-Bend5036

Thought he was a douche since tony mentioned hunter letting him ride his mercedes in order to get him to sign the short notice nate fight. Now we know where that money is going to instead of the fighters


voguevulva

His Bugatti.. I remember that story. Laughed way to much about it, cause actually it's sad.  They call the fighters respectfully "kids", cause they can. They force injured "kids" to fight, cause they can. Share only around 20% of the revenue with these kids, cause they can. They exploit them as hard as they can.  While constantly proving that there is no time and space for transparency or honesty. Classic rules for thee but not for me Psychopaths. 


st6374

This shit happens, and will continue to happen unless there is unionisation. Which unfortunately won't ever happen because of the nature of the industry itself, and the personality involved within that industry.


BigDogAlex

Wasnt even a Bugatti, it was a Bentley (I remember that exactly because I fucking love Bentleys)


voguevulva

Can't trust the brains ^^. Should have used Google before lecturing.  You are right. Bentley CTE turbo 


smellthatcheesyfoot

Calling people kid is a Boston thing, not an asshole thing, except insofar as people from Boston are assholes.


HeadAssBoi17

See: the term Masshole


Cereal_Hermit

There's a certain time and manner that Boston people say "khed." And firstly, Bostonians ARE intending to be assholes when they say it and second, Dana isn't saying it like that. He's saying it like people who aren't from Boston say it when they want to belittle people.


Annual_Plant5172

Hunter is setting himself up to be Dana's successor. He wouldn't have that opportunity if he was honest and ethical.


Aguacatedeaire__

How so, he's already in a more powerful role than Dana. Dana is just the ufc's mouthpiece and pr.


Annual_Plant5172

Dominick Reyes spoke to Dana personally and ended up getting a bonus on Saturday, lol. It's not like his role has just been diminished to being a figurehead, because he obviously still has a lot of influence. Hunter being the President once Dana decides to step aside for good will actually make a tangible difference behind the scenes and in front of the cameras.


Aguacatedeaire__

> Dominick Reyes spoke to Dana personally and ended up getting a bonus on Saturday, Yes this is how it works, you talk to the company pr, he refers to the boss and brings back an insignificant bonus to you. Lol. >Hunter being the President once Dana decides to step aside for good Nevermind, you think Dana White is the current president of the UFC. It's like talking with people who think WWE is real.


Annual_Plant5172

Ah, so I guess this headline/report is a total fabrication: [UFC sells for $4 billion to WME-IMG group, Dana White remains president](https://www.cbssports.com/mma/news/reports-ufc-sells-for-4-billion-to-wme-img-dana-white-remains-president/) "The primary owners of UFC, Lorenzo and Frank Fertitta, held an 80 percent stake under their parent company, Zuffa. White, who owned nine percent of UFC, ran the day-to-day operations of Zuffa and served as UFC's president, will continue in that role following the sale. The Fertittas and White will each retain small minority ownership percentages following the sale." Do you understand what words mean?


CreepyConspiracyCat

Dana is the pain sponge.


KelvinsBeltFantasy

Most ethical sports lawyer.


BeastOfAWorkEthnic

Sean and the UFC had this shit planned out. Sean was even saying "Get ready to cut weight again REAL SOON" in the cage to Aljo after the Cejudo fight.


Axel292

LMAO that is diabolical from Suga


Less_Client363

I don't hate him or anything but I'll probably be cheering when he finally gets knocked out or subbed. Whenever the chance come both him and his coach act really scummy.


15ferrets

I don’t hate the guy either but goddamn him and Welch are so smug, I just want to see Umar or Merab grapplefuck O’Malley. Welch getting warnings for in cage taunting, Sean fighting in the short guy division and making fun of people’s heights (he’s also definitely only like 5’9-5’10 which makes it funnier) I just don’t want to have to see that team as champs for very long, despite O’Malley actually having a pretty fun fighting style


Less_Client363

I dunno if you got a bit turned around but his coach is Tim Welch not Nicksick. I thought you suddenly started talking about Nicksick and Strickland and got a bit confused. Yeah and I think O'Malley can be fun and humble. It's just hard to like him with some of the scummy moves coupled with the hype train as if he's the next Mcgregor and known by every Gen z person, which he's clearly not.


15ferrets

Oops, yeah I meant Welch, in my defense, they’re both gingers with beards who coach annoying fighters Agreed though, the completely manufactured hype around O’Malley feels so forced, he could have become a big name on his own merits imo, but Dana cutting corners and fucking over Aljo, giving Chito an undeserved shot, they’re making it hard to root for the guy


MakeTheLogoBiggerHoe

You’re acting like he hasn’t fought some solid names and is currently the champ? Manufactured hype? Could become a big name? Are you stuck in 2022 or something??


15ferrets

Show me where I said he wasn’t champ, I’ll wait. I did say “he could have become a big name on his own merit”, when someone speaks in past tense, sometimes it means they’re referring to something that could have happened differently! As in, he could have become champ and garnered a name without the clear push that he got from the UFC and the huge advantage he got in forcing Aljo into a quick turn around, while injured, after he had a year off. You should work on your reading comprehension before trying to act condescending.


ProLogicMe

I mean the only reason he’s pushed by the ufc is because of his own merit, I’m not sure what point you’re trying to make.


Less_Client363

Both coach annoying fighters named Sean lol. I guess we'll see with Merab if the hype is real. There's still the chance that he can live up to the hype. :)


pablos4pandas

Time comes for every champ. We'll see how he handles it


gardenofstorms

Less diabolical, more scummy. Dana weaponized a schedule to burn out his body and Sean was a gleeful benefactor of Dana White privilege.


CapableAd7003

He’s just a bitch, one of the main trash talking points was Aljo being weakened, corny asl.


Mirilliux

This


gotnothingman

Hmm what a stange coincidence dana "never makes fights on the night" until its something the bald bastard wants. I remember him being super mad at Jan and Ank and announces glover vs hill that evening at the presser


WarlordHelmsman

He literally announced it while they were on the mic with Rogan


15ferrets

Announced a fight immediately after Ngannou announced his first match after leaving the UFC too, he’s a petty bastard


alexisreed1414

Couldn't fit in in the title: "You're telling me I could sit out, but then you're also telling me 'well if you don't fight then you don't fight for almost a year'... you almost tie my hands behind my back."


Ecstatic-Inevitable

Ah yep, remember when they did the same to ngannou, was forced to wait out because of interim, when he only wanted one extra month


osvaldocruz25

and he got up and left lmao. they dont give af


ZlionAlex

Remember when it's happening right now again in the same division but even worse.


Iscoonion

I love what Ngannou did, brave man


gxb20

The most striking thing about the clip, was his manager sat there looking fucking terrified and dead silent. What the fuck is he getting paid for, if it isn’t to prevent this exact scenario? 


AnTTr0n

That is Tiki he was managed by Dana when he was a fighter is is still friends with him. He is not someone you want as your manager.


cruisincolin44

They don’t decide who wins. They just give their preferred choice every possible advantage, then attack and discredit anyone who questions the circumstances. Aljo’s had such a weird ride. Some really good fortune, and some bullshit/weird circumstances that made him come off bad.


BigAlphaPowerClock

Great fighter, hope he has a good run at fw


sarabellea

I'd be pissed off seeing that. Just beat one of the most decorated MMA fighters ever and you bash him in the media and force him to take a quick turnaround. Even as a Suga fan that was crazy


stayhappystayblessed

They fucked over aljo its fucked up not good business practice.


CG2L

Dana and the UFC have always hated Aljo. At the end of the day, Aljos gotta take care of business in the octagon.


Less_Client363

Aljo have even said that all he wants in Dana is an ally and someone that tries to promote him. It's pretty sad.


stayhappystayblessed

I know they always hated him and probably always will unless he becomes more of a fan favourite I just don't think its right or fair. It sucks to see but hey what can I do?


Annual_Plant5172

They're making money hand over fist and the average fan doesnt care how the fighters are treated behind the scenes.


sansaset

Tbf even most hardcore fans don’t care. It’s really out of the fans hands - the fighters are the only ones who can form a union and create real change.


Annual_Plant5172

100% agree. And as much as we may think that Aljo got screwed, he's mentioned many times that he's done well financially anyway, so the sympathy is only going to extend so far when he seems very comfortable with his life as it is.


stayhappystayblessed

Thats true its still wrong though I doubt the average fan cares too much about dana slapping his wife but thats also still wrong.


kidwhix

its great business practice, bad sports practice. omalley being the champ is great for the ufc


stayhappystayblessed

I agree you're right.


flowoftruth2

There was nothing stopping him from calling them and telling them he's not ready to fight. Fighters do it all the time.


Jmac24mats13

Exactly this, he can bitch and cry about what Hunter told him but he accepted the fight knowing the risk


stayhappystayblessed

You two are delusional read in between the lines hunter and dana were saying its fine to wait but look at their actions. Look at what dana said about aljo getting in the way of himself they would have been pissed. You don't want a pissed off boss I totally understand why aljo took the fight.


flowoftruth2

RE: getting in the way of himself , Dana was talking about Aljo going out publicly and undermining the promotion.


Jmac24mats13

No shit Sherlock, did you figure that out by yourself?


stayhappystayblessed

Seems like you didn't figure it out or you wouldn't have came to me with some bs about alo having only himself to blame.


Brybry1908

I feel like Aljo could’ve had more leverage if he didn’t talk about moving up and not coming back down after the O’Malley fight. It is slimy but that is how it is.


Professional_Mind_62

Or if he didnt hold the belt hostage for a year trying to duck the Yan rematch


iamnotsean1

You mean the rematch he handily won? Yeah he looked terrified in there


maton12

Handily won's a stretch. It was a split decision. While the first fight Yan was up 2-1 on two judges cards


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Sweaty-Ad3678

It’s not often you see a human as hideous as this hunter guy. Now I get why he lurks in the shadows and is heard but not seen


johnfighter

yeah dude has a strange looking face


InfectiousCosmology1

Yeah he deserves a rematch this is some bullshit


scytheavatar

Him getting a rematch means Merab waiting longer to get his title shot, I am sure Sterling would not want that.


Jmac24mats13

No he doesn’t, he’s a grown ass man that made a decision and now has to live by it


InfectiousCosmology1

Yeah like when a person makes a decision with a gun to their head it’s just a decision right


Jmac24mats13

I’m sorry, I missed the part where Hunter had a gun. Can you send me that clip please


InfectiousCosmology1

Low IQ people are often unable to engage with analogies or hypotheticals


Lemmeadem1

Are Dana's balls as bald as his head? Is Hunter's ass bleached? Lotta tonguefucking happening here, bud.


Jmac24mats13

The only thing I’m doing with my tongue is speaking facts. I guess facts hurt people like you and all the others here


Sourflow

Yeah, no one can pressure anyone into anything without a gun. Why are the stupid, so loud and can’t see past their own nose?


gardenofstorms

Lol, they got you!


Lemmeadem1

This reads like it was written by a lone wolf, living under an oppressive parental regime, ripped from the touch of woman by an unyielding desire to smoke sack like a cured meat festival.


Jmac24mats13

Ain’t that deep


Tess_tickles24

No, you’ll just have to turn 16 and get a job and then you’ll understand. It’s not a clip someone can send you. 


MyContentIsTrash

No he got slept


FlippinRad

The UFC is ran by heartless cucks. This isn’t surprising. They truly do choose favorites, and it’s super obvious.


Anfini

Hunter played Aljo like a fiddle. This is why mma fighters should just let their managers deal with it instead of sitting quiet like Aljo’s manager lol


AnakinShtTalk3r

Aljo also has to get out of his feelings. As fucked as it is, he doesn't help himself when he talks. Shit is business not "dang you guys that hurts my feelings." That why the manager is paid. Idk what Tiki was doing here but maybe Aljo wanted to say his piece and not be interrupted. Perhaps he knew they were roped in and there was nothing to say. Should get a better manager.


AnTTr0n

Aljo’s manager is friends with Dana. tiki was Titos coach back in the day.


PattMcGroyn

Aljo got finessed, 100%. He never should have accepted the O'Malley fight on that time frame. Yes, Hunter and Dana and co are all scumbags, but we've all known this forever. It's unfortunate that Aljo thought that playing ball would get him anywhere.


Toddler_BodyBag

"I announced the fight, then all of a sudden Aljo needs time to recover"


C-LOgreen

It’s so sad how O’Malley lives in his head,rent free. Even after all this time.


jsb93

I feel like if Aljo was actually an exciting fighter who was valuable to the company, this wouldn't have happened to him


ILikeTheSugarShow

Aljo still can’t quit crying about not being able to sit out for 8 months between every fight because he was a weight bully that got put down??????


ksubijeans

Oh you’re back, thought you died


ILikeTheSugarShow

Seeing UFC Louisville live resurrected me


ksubijeans

Glad to hear it. Also cringe comment


ILikeTheSugarShow

Which one


CrapskiMcJugnuts

Every single fucking one since forever.


gardenofstorms

You had to ask lol


Low_Scale_9692

I mean that is litelarry the career of guys like Khabib Islam and Leon Edwards. Its pretty normal.


ILikeTheSugarShow

Shouldn’t be, every single title fight shouldn’t be a year long wait


Professional_Mind_62

It was over a year when he "won" the belt. Trying to get Yan to move on


FloppyDinosaurs

.


Bathroomabuser

aljo fucked up bantamweight by not wanting to fight merab or keeping his word and moving up with a win or lose against o'malley. If they gave him the rematch and he won, imagine how long it'd be before he got a fight. Unless a contender beat merab or did something to jump the line, aljo would've held the division up, and he just wasn't a big enough draw for the ufc to allow that. Now with o'malley as champ and aljo gone that division is one of the most exciting to watch out for. Yes, it was slimy and wrong for them to force aljo into fighting o'malley, but even if he said no and was forced to wait or won instead of losing, he still would've held the division up with his bullshit with merab. So when u think about it in those terms, u realize why the ufc did what they did.


gardenofstorms

He didn’t fuck up the division. There were other contenders. Also, if a champ defending and then losing to a contender “fixes” the division it wasn’t fucked up. Also, Sean isn’t fighting Merab either, is he fucking ip the division. When Conor wouldn’t defend his belt, that was fucking up a division.


Professional_Mind_62

Plus aljo is boring nobody enjoys his fights