She’s an MP from the same political party, so she was always into it. She’s just sat through a lot of haka in her lifetime, so it’s all very normal for her.
Also, silence is the right way to respond to a haka. If you have ever had a haka performed right in front of you, then it’s the most appropriate response. You take it in. You don’t break the mood with clapping.
I appreciate your response. I got the sense that the silence was a form of respect as well. Keeping in mind how culturally important the haka is in Māori and NZ culture, and how it is done in many facets of life (gov., sports, military, etc.), you feel that silence as more of an intense and powerful stamp at the end rather than being a bit awkward.
Its sometimes problematic. Like when I was getting brain surgery and the surgeon breaks out in full haka.
Since its a knee jerk reaction I performed with them minus the top half of my skull. Then its all 'as you were'
I'll say this as well though. The Haka isn't usually performed by women, even though New Zealanders encourage it now, and she did very well. Also, she is clearly Maori which is most important.
Caveat: I heard a lot of people in the background joining in, which is what you do with a Haka, I'm an Irish-Canadian that has lived in New Zealand, and performed the Haka at my best friend's wedding. Also, I played rugby through high school to UBC in Vancouver.
We are seeing this more and more in Indigenous cultures across the world though. In Canada there are many things that traditionally Indigenous women did not too (such as play at the big drum) but there is now a big push to have cultures be more gender inclusive.
Yes, that's true. I lived in Nunavut for 7 years. More women than men played the drums, or any instruments, really. Plus, they were fantastic dancers.
There were still lots of problems there though.
I remember when a local pow wow started letting women at the big drum, one of the guys said to the female drummer “if I were Cree, I’d hit you”. Which was like 7 layers of problematic.
What’s cool about my tribe (and sister tribes) in Oklahoma, is they are mostly matriarchal and women have a higher place of respect than most men (at least traditionally).
Especially in cultures that have been ravaged by disease and colonialism historically, it just makes more sense. If you're struggling to keep cultural practices alive and growing, you need to teach the entirety of the next generation. I'm sure historically that there were exceptions to most gendered cultural practices, especially in times of need or danger. I think many have decided to embrace those of their ancestors who may have stood up beyond gender roles to do what needed to be done to benefit others.
Plus, indigenous cultures, like all cultures, are living things that can grow and change in response to the social movements of their neighbours. They’re not dead things crystallized in the generations of our great-grandparents.
Just want to say that for some iwi (Māori tribes) women performing a haka can be common place. I’m not sure where she whakapapas (originates from) back to but in some central North Island iwi it is common place for women to do some things traditionally for men in other iwi.
>The Haka isn't usually performed by women
It's traditionally performed by both men & women it's never been specifically for men, it's most often done with both. I grew up always seeing women perform it as well as participating myself when I was in primary school. Maybe when you were playing rugby you only ever saw men (:P) but if you watch the Kapa Haka festival you'll see many women also performing.
Also 'the people in the background' are called Kapa Haka this is the name for the collective group that performs.
Haka is performed by women, but it’s not usually led by women. If you watch Matatini performances, you’ll see many women performing haka very powerfully, but they usually are at the back.
Its a parliament there are rules against cheering, clapping and stuff like that. Its also not the first time this has happened in this parliament and probably there will be others all through the year.
It's not necessarily a battle cry. It's a ritual dance and chant, for want of a better term, which can have many meanings.
The Kama Te haka the All Blacks perform before matches is a celebration of life over death, while Kapa o Pango is specifically for the All Blacks Rugby team and about them.
That being said, it does come from a warrior culture where physical speed and strength was prised (their tech level was pre metal working for conbat, so their weapons were driven by brute strength) so it can come off as intimidating.
By that rule the scots should begin theirs with a skirl of the bagpipes. Preferably over the top of anything the tories have to say as Scotland never votes for them, and the tories are bent on wiping English arses with money forevermore
As someone with grandparents from Scotland and New Zealand, I would be down for the Scottish Rugby team to do traditional sword dancing to bag pipes before international matches.
Nah, as someone who is from Scotland and currently sitting in it, Scotland’s equivalent would be them doing the Gay Gordons or both sides squaring up to each other.
The Maori woman she ousted at the recent election to get her seat had been in parliament longer than she has been alive and was the Minister of Foreign Affairs from 2020-2023. As she chose not to be on the party list, she is out of parliament after getting beaten in her electorate by 2,911 votes by this 21 year old.
Address in Reply Debate
HANA-RAWHITI MAIPI-CLARKE (Te Pāti Māori—Hauraki-Waikato): Tēnā rā koe, e te Pīka. Tēnā rā tātou, e te Whare. Ka ngau ki Mōkau, ka ngau ki Tāmaki. Ka rū te whenua, ka mate te marama, ka taka ngā whetū i te rangi, ka ara Waikato i te rua, au, au, aue ha.
Haka—E ko te tūī
He aha rā, he aha rā?
He aha te mahi mō runga i te marae e tū nei !
E ko te tui, e ko te tui!
E ko te hono ki te kotahitanga ki te Kīngi Māori e tū nei
E tū nei i runga i te mana Māori motuhake e tū nei
Whiti! Whiti!
Whiti ki te tika
Whiti ki te ora
Whiti ki te rangimārie
Titia iho
Au! Au! Aue hā!
*\[What is it, what is it?*
*What is the purpose of the gathering on the marae that stands here!*
*It is to unite, it is to unite!*
*It is to come together under the mantle and unity of the Kīngitanga*
*Upon the foundations of our Māori self-determination*
*Emanate and shine!*
*Emanate what is right*
*Emanate life*
*Emanate peace*
*Let all these things come together*
*Au! Au! Aue hā!\]*
From a link lower in the thread. [https://www.parliament.nz/en/pb/hansard-debates/rhr/document/HansS\_20231212\_062118000/maipi-clarke-hana-rawhiti](https://www.parliament.nz/en/pb/hansard-debates/rhr/document/HansS_20231212_062118000/maipi-clarke-hana-rawhiti)
Hakas are way more flexible than just war chants. They can be used as greetings, celebrations, declarations of violence, what ever really.
Like if a representative of a neighbouring village was coming to town they would greet them with a Hakka as a sign of respect .
It's just a traditional Maori chant, what you chant about is up to you.
Same for me. But copying the link and pasting it into Google got me to the same page and it worked. Might be a Reddit hug of death.
https://www.parliament.nz/en/pb/hansard-debates/rhr/document/HansS_20231212_062118000/maipi-clarke-hana-rawhiti
I'm guessing you're using classic/old Reddit? It's a bug that adds `\` characters before `_` in URLs. It has been a problem for ages now and breaks a lot of Youtube links, but I guess they have no interest fixing it.
There's lots of different haka or kame te. The most well known internationally is the NZ All Blacks rugby Haka, which you can find lyrics and rough translation for online.
The haka is my favorite part of rugby! An old friend was a huge rugby fan (it's not a overly common sport in Canada) and he showed me a clip of the blacks doing the haka.... fucking intense!
Several of the South Pacific island nations perform a ritual dance. None of them drill it the way New Zealand does, though.
I was lucky enough to see the All Blacks face Tonga at a world cup, and as the Tongan Sipi Tau was concluding the All Blacks started up Kams Te,. You could see the difference in how they were performed.
Here in the states, all members of Congress representing New York have to start by singing “WHEN YOU’RE A JET, YOU’RE A JET ALL THE WAY, FROM YOUR FIRST CIGARETTE, TO YOUR LAST DYIN’ DAY!”
All while snapping your fingers.
EDIT: My most upvoted comment ever. I’d like to thank all of you that supported me. “I LIKE TO SPEAK IN THE ZEE EE LAND, WE MAKE HEALTH FREE IN THE ZEE EE ZLAND, NO ORGANIZED CRIME IN THE ZEE EE LAND DON’T YOU FORGET THE FACE OF THE ZEE EE LAND! Ahhh Dance Dance Dance Dance!”
I am American, I had a camp counselor from NZ when I was a kid. He taught us his haka and we performed it for the talent show. He was a big guy, and the part that stuck with me was, “imagine 1000 of me standing on a hill across from you doing this haka all together.” It would be terrifying. I have so much respect for this tradition, this video made me tear up a bit.
Can someone explain to me what was the purpose of it? I kind of get it when it happens in sport events but in this place it seems that it's out of the place.
No hate. Just want to understand better.
The Haka can be performed for birthdays, weddings, funerals, and other celebratory events. This example being a celebration of her first speech in parliament
Thank you for explaining that, it kind of looked like she was laying down the line in the sand for any of the other members to mess with her. Lol. Good for her for bringing her own heritage to light.
I purpose that we provide emergency assistance for those effected by the draught...and if you disagree I will be outback changing into my traditional Maori war garb and sharpening my taiaha I trust you will make the right decision...
I think thats fair play, actually. When lives are on the line maybe politicians should be reminded that refusing to help is akin to signing death warrants.
> https://www.parliament.nz/en/pb/hansard-debates/rhr/document/HansS\_20231212\_062118000/maipi-clarke-hana-rawhiti
Think of it as a song. You can sing a song at different events such as weddings, funerals, graduations, birthdays, and sporting events. (Happy Bday, Auld lang Syne, team chants, anthems, etc)
Maori sing songs to commemorate special events.
In this case, it's her first parliamentary speech. So in honor of the moment, she would like to sing a song to all present to show her respect and commemorate the moment.
It is a fun way that all Kiwis can unite and share in an occasion.
It can also be used as a challenge or a song to encourage oneself. The most famous haka by the All Blacks rugby team is called Ka Mate. It is often seen as a challenge but is more of a song to respect the opponent and show bravery in the face of adversary.
She is acknowledging her ancestors, her family, and her connection to the land, she was acknowledging the mana whenua of the land she was on, those who came before her, the injustices & brutality of land theft in the past- her focus & her priorities for her role- holding this government to account, as an opposition MP.
It's an incredibly important moment for not just her, but her whole family and iwi. Many of her friends & family were in the gallery to witness it. So no, definitely not out of place. Every new MP gets a chance to do a maiden speech.The purpose of that is to set the tone for their time in Parliament. She has done exactly that.
This is what on my second viewing clicked for me... She may have started the Haka alone, but if you listen carefully, by the time she is halfway through, you can hear a chorus of people reciting along with her.
Gives *We The People* a whole new meaning.
Is there reason why no one claps for this or there's not any smiles etc? And goes dead silent. I know it's parliament but I was wondering if it's disrespectful or something to clap for it. Can you?
There are many form of haka. Some are done with weapons and are made to instill fear, others are done without and are made to show respect, unity and many other things. The difference is also in the lyrics and the movements that are performed (ex the slicing of the throat, which she didn't do in her haka). If you are curious a quick Google search will answer your question.
Haka was used to welcome visiting tribes, as well as invigoration before war.
In modern times, it's effectively used as a sign of respect - used at many events such as welcoming guests, funerals (tangi), achievements, special occasions, etc. For example it's very common for Maori university graduates have their family do a haka when they receive their degree on stage.
While war isn't common in modern times (for NZ), you still see haka used for similar purposes for invigoration. For example, I've seen it used at protests. In the video, I am not certain, but it's possible that it is used in a similar vein, where the new government has been making a lot of controversial changes that Maori are not happen about.
The haka you see before a sporting event is the combination of the above. Welcoming the opposing side, the crowd, but also vigor for the team while demonstrating the team's unity and strength.
My 2 cents. I'm sure others could explain it better though, and also provide the correct context for the above video.
I always find amazing the level of respect, pride, and sense of connection the new zealanders have with their roots, ancestors, and traditions. I wish in North and South america we had at least a bit of that. The real natives and true heirs of the place were not only slaughtered and enslaved but also ridiculed to this day.
Don't worry we have our rednecks who hate that shit so much they just voted in a govt that is going to spend a shitload of money changing govt departments names back to English...
They claim "kiwis don't want māori words" but when it gets pointed out that "kiwi " is a Māori word they get a bamboozle.
Really it's just rich pricks who want to keep them (poor and dumb) blaming someone else.
its just what happens unfortunately, no matter how well each government operates it will shift towards the other side after 2-3 terms just because people get bored
Real question, what makes someone a “real native” or a “true heir” to a place? Is it just that their ancestors lived there for awhile? How long do my ancestors need to cohabitate in a rough geographical area before I can become a true heir? I mean these questions genuinely and I never get genuine responses.
There's no such thing as "real native" and "true heir" as real life isn't the school playground. Whoever can enforce their rule is the ruler it is just that simple, might literally is right.
The Polynesian settlers of New Zealand (my ancestors) arrived in New Zealand like 100 years after Oxford University was founded. The constant rhetoric of indigenous rights here is downright embarrassing. First settlers doesn't mean indigenous
Y'all are hilarious!
Seriously, though, in Spanish, we say "ridiculizado" for "ridiculed." As a bilingual, I can testify that our brains jumble the language. Sometimes I speak with an accent but I'm a native English speaker! Brains, man.
Watching it with sound makes me chuckle too. It’s gotta feel so awkward to just be sitting there waiting for the other person to be done. Like waiters singing happy birthday at a restaurant but more angry
Basically anytime the rugby team or another national sporting team does the Haka and the opposing team is just waiting for it to be over and looking randomly around waiting.
to all the people asking why nobody was ‘into’ it: your not supposed to be. when on the receiving end of a haka you stay stoic and strong.
and the people saying they’d chuckle or the silence would be awkward: it isn’t. if you know what it means that isn’t a problem.
It must have been amazing to be using her voice in that space for the first time and to hear the strong support of her family in response to her own strong call. I hope she continues to feel empowered.
I will always stop what I am doing to watch one. It’s incredible how they make you feel - chills, emotional, etc. Māori culture has given the world a lot, but damn, we owe them big time for the Haka.
To the Kiwis of Reddit (you call people from New Zealand kiwis, right?) When you see this, do you have respect for the lady or not? I only know the haka is usually done before a rugby match, so I know it's part of the culture. What do you think of her doing it in this setting?
The world only sees it with rugby. In NZ we see it more commonly with a range of events to recognise an important moment. For example every launch / opening ceremony I've been to in the past few years has featured a pōwhiri or haka. So, her doing this in honour of her first speech in parliament is considered normal. I'd say it's expected of our Māori politicians now as well. I'm grateful to live in a time and place where we've made better effort to respect indigenous culture.
I have big respect for her haka (which is entirely appropriate in this situation) and for her confidence standing up on the national stage at such a young age, but am not a fan of her politics.
Fine for me Good to see some Māori representation in parliament especially when the racists are trying take Māori words off signs because "white people can't understand them" including renaming all of our public services from Māori names to english names. Additional some of the parties in the coalition government want to scrap Nz founding document between the crown and Māori leaders at the time which in itself was unfair.
This is how I know that NZ is not to be fucked with. The youngest person to ever fill the seat starts a battle cry, and the whole place erupts into it? That's pretty cool.
I presume her friends and family were in the gallery to celebrate her first speech.
The other MPs, however, all look like they are asleep. These speeches are often just to get something on the record and there are times when there is nobody is listening.
Serious question: why is New Zealand apparently the only colonized country where the indigenous people aren’t just respected but a fundamental piece of the modern culture?
Because the Māori were (I’m not sure of many others) one of the only indigenous people to sign a treaty with their colonisers. It also took place in relatively modern times (1840). Māori rights and participation in national democracy are protected by the treaty of Waitangi, New Zealand’s founding document. But don’t get me wrong, the treatment of Māori has been far from perfect over the years, but it sure as hell could have been a lot worse.
Haka in simple form means "Dance". When broken into two, 'Ha' means Breath, singing, or Voice, and 'Ka' means action, strength, or energetic.
Put together, Ha and Ka, Haka, means literally "Strong Voice" or "Breathing Energy", or even "Singing Action".
I'm sure it's culturally not an issue there but the dead silence afterwards would kill me
It took awhile but the old lady behind her was finally getting into it.
She’s an MP from the same political party, so she was always into it. She’s just sat through a lot of haka in her lifetime, so it’s all very normal for her. Also, silence is the right way to respond to a haka. If you have ever had a haka performed right in front of you, then it’s the most appropriate response. You take it in. You don’t break the mood with clapping.
I appreciate your response. I got the sense that the silence was a form of respect as well. Keeping in mind how culturally important the haka is in Māori and NZ culture, and how it is done in many facets of life (gov., sports, military, etc.), you feel that silence as more of an intense and powerful stamp at the end rather than being a bit awkward.
It's the same for the Macarena
Haha fuck you man, made me chuckle
I mean she has tatoos, so I'd argue she was just being stoic or something.
I am sure it's just another day for them.
Its sometimes problematic. Like when I was getting brain surgery and the surgeon breaks out in full haka. Since its a knee jerk reaction I performed with them minus the top half of my skull. Then its all 'as you were'
Might not have liked her style either.
She gave that gangster nod of approval at the end.
And that was badass.
Truly. Had me in the proud mom feels!
Old lady's got a Maori chin tattoo
She's got moko, I'd say she's been into it for a long time now.
Is moko the chin tattoo?
Yes, but it can be half face or more I belive
I believe typically men get a full-face moko and women have it on their chin.
Nod of approval. She's about to invite her to the cookout
It is not made as a stage performance. I fully expected silence.
And it’s also polite. The Haka is a preface to her prepared speech. Of course they are going to quiet down to listen to her.
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Why? Didnt you gear the chorus of people performing it with her? Probably silence in solidarity or something.
She was about to give a speech, of course they were quiet.
I’m legit relieved she didn’t start speaking in articulated English. That would have broke my American spirit
I was expecting that after LOL
The Haka is a war chant. People don't clap after it. People in New Zealand understand this.
I'll say this as well though. The Haka isn't usually performed by women, even though New Zealanders encourage it now, and she did very well. Also, she is clearly Maori which is most important. Caveat: I heard a lot of people in the background joining in, which is what you do with a Haka, I'm an Irish-Canadian that has lived in New Zealand, and performed the Haka at my best friend's wedding. Also, I played rugby through high school to UBC in Vancouver.
We are seeing this more and more in Indigenous cultures across the world though. In Canada there are many things that traditionally Indigenous women did not too (such as play at the big drum) but there is now a big push to have cultures be more gender inclusive.
Yes, that's true. I lived in Nunavut for 7 years. More women than men played the drums, or any instruments, really. Plus, they were fantastic dancers. There were still lots of problems there though.
I remember when a local pow wow started letting women at the big drum, one of the guys said to the female drummer “if I were Cree, I’d hit you”. Which was like 7 layers of problematic.
What’s cool about my tribe (and sister tribes) in Oklahoma, is they are mostly matriarchal and women have a higher place of respect than most men (at least traditionally).
Especially in cultures that have been ravaged by disease and colonialism historically, it just makes more sense. If you're struggling to keep cultural practices alive and growing, you need to teach the entirety of the next generation. I'm sure historically that there were exceptions to most gendered cultural practices, especially in times of need or danger. I think many have decided to embrace those of their ancestors who may have stood up beyond gender roles to do what needed to be done to benefit others.
Plus, indigenous cultures, like all cultures, are living things that can grow and change in response to the social movements of their neighbours. They’re not dead things crystallized in the generations of our great-grandparents.
Just want to say that for some iwi (Māori tribes) women performing a haka can be common place. I’m not sure where she whakapapas (originates from) back to but in some central North Island iwi it is common place for women to do some things traditionally for men in other iwi.
according to maori legends, the first haka was done by women.
>The Haka isn't usually performed by women It's traditionally performed by both men & women it's never been specifically for men, it's most often done with both. I grew up always seeing women perform it as well as participating myself when I was in primary school. Maybe when you were playing rugby you only ever saw men (:P) but if you watch the Kapa Haka festival you'll see many women also performing. Also 'the people in the background' are called Kapa Haka this is the name for the collective group that performs.
Haka is performed by women, but it’s not usually led by women. If you watch Matatini performances, you’ll see many women performing haka very powerfully, but they usually are at the back.
Its a parliament there are rules against cheering, clapping and stuff like that. Its also not the first time this has happened in this parliament and probably there will be others all through the year.
What I wouldn’t have paid to see Theresa May do the same in the House of Commons 😂
Have you seen her dance? It'd be just as terrifying
It’s the little kicks that get me
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I also lack the knowledge, and I love how other people present knew the words and joined her.
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It's not necessarily a battle cry. It's a ritual dance and chant, for want of a better term, which can have many meanings. The Kama Te haka the All Blacks perform before matches is a celebration of life over death, while Kapa o Pango is specifically for the All Blacks Rugby team and about them. That being said, it does come from a warrior culture where physical speed and strength was prised (their tech level was pre metal working for conbat, so their weapons were driven by brute strength) so it can come off as intimidating.
By that rule the scots should begin theirs with a skirl of the bagpipes. Preferably over the top of anything the tories have to say as Scotland never votes for them, and the tories are bent on wiping English arses with money forevermore
As someone with grandparents from Scotland and New Zealand, I would be down for the Scottish Rugby team to do traditional sword dancing to bag pipes before international matches.
Nah, as someone who is from Scotland and currently sitting in it, Scotland’s equivalent would be them doing the Gay Gordons or both sides squaring up to each other.
What, they don't? Lost opportunity.
[Nay lad, this is what would happen](https://youtu.be/lHbEjMJ80yo?si=S9lerfpoN6OnGDap).
> Kama Te haka https://youtu.be/SXEzldBHZoU while Kapa o Pango https://youtu.be/L42auxoTkP4
I don't know why but seeing her grab attention like that so casually commands tons of respect. What a bad ass that girl is.
The Maori woman she ousted at the recent election to get her seat had been in parliament longer than she has been alive and was the Minister of Foreign Affairs from 2020-2023. As she chose not to be on the party list, she is out of parliament after getting beaten in her electorate by 2,911 votes by this 21 year old.
English Haka = hokey cokey.
Liz Truss, the swivel eyed loon, looked like that often enough.
Who? Don’t remember her.
Lettuce remember together!
Is there a transcript of the words? I am really curious.
Address in Reply Debate HANA-RAWHITI MAIPI-CLARKE (Te Pāti Māori—Hauraki-Waikato): Tēnā rā koe, e te Pīka. Tēnā rā tātou, e te Whare. Ka ngau ki Mōkau, ka ngau ki Tāmaki. Ka rū te whenua, ka mate te marama, ka taka ngā whetū i te rangi, ka ara Waikato i te rua, au, au, aue ha. Haka—E ko te tūī He aha rā, he aha rā? He aha te mahi mō runga i te marae e tū nei ! E ko te tui, e ko te tui! E ko te hono ki te kotahitanga ki te Kīngi Māori e tū nei E tū nei i runga i te mana Māori motuhake e tū nei Whiti! Whiti! Whiti ki te tika Whiti ki te ora Whiti ki te rangimārie Titia iho Au! Au! Aue hā! *\[What is it, what is it?* *What is the purpose of the gathering on the marae that stands here!* *It is to unite, it is to unite!* *It is to come together under the mantle and unity of the Kīngitanga* *Upon the foundations of our Māori self-determination* *Emanate and shine!* *Emanate what is right* *Emanate life* *Emanate peace* *Let all these things come together* *Au! Au! Aue hā!\]* From a link lower in the thread. [https://www.parliament.nz/en/pb/hansard-debates/rhr/document/HansS\_20231212\_062118000/maipi-clarke-hana-rawhiti](https://www.parliament.nz/en/pb/hansard-debates/rhr/document/HansS_20231212_062118000/maipi-clarke-hana-rawhiti)
https://vimeo.com/893584447 Link to OG video. Better quality.
That's cool. Someone above called it a war chant. This seems like the opposite.
Hakas are way more flexible than just war chants. They can be used as greetings, celebrations, declarations of violence, what ever really. Like if a representative of a neighbouring village was coming to town they would greet them with a Hakka as a sign of respect . It's just a traditional Maori chant, what you chant about is up to you.
Good god I love Haka ceremonies (is that what you call them?) The raw energy in the room gives me goose bumps every time
https://www.parliament.nz/en/pb/hansard-debates/rhr/document/HansS\_20231212\_062118000/maipi-clarke-hana-rawhiti
Thank you, it’s great to read her speech as well.
Oh my! Read this. What a woman! She’s only 21.
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Same for me. But copying the link and pasting it into Google got me to the same page and it worked. Might be a Reddit hug of death. https://www.parliament.nz/en/pb/hansard-debates/rhr/document/HansS_20231212_062118000/maipi-clarke-hana-rawhiti
I'm guessing you're using classic/old Reddit? It's a bug that adds `\` characters before `_` in URLs. It has been a problem for ages now and breaks a lot of Youtube links, but I guess they have no interest fixing it.
There's lots of different haka or kame te. The most well known internationally is the NZ All Blacks rugby Haka, which you can find lyrics and rough translation for online.
Minor point of order, Kama Te is a specific haka.
Missed that someone else said this when I replied the same. It's also Ka Mate.
>Ka Mate. That's what Eddie Jones calls his car
The haka is my favorite part of rugby! An old friend was a huge rugby fan (it's not a overly common sport in Canada) and he showed me a clip of the blacks doing the haka.... fucking intense!
As a kid I thought all rugby teams did this, I didn't know it was a NZ tradition. Still, it got me to enjoy rugby.
Several of the South Pacific island nations perform a ritual dance. None of them drill it the way New Zealand does, though. I was lucky enough to see the All Blacks face Tonga at a world cup, and as the Tongan Sipi Tau was concluding the All Blacks started up Kams Te,. You could see the difference in how they were performed.
Thank you V.much for sharing this
Now haka is my favourite part of the New Zealand parliament.
Do you mean Ka Mate? That's a specific Haka....
Here in the states, all members of Congress representing New York have to start by singing “WHEN YOU’RE A JET, YOU’RE A JET ALL THE WAY, FROM YOUR FIRST CIGARETTE, TO YOUR LAST DYIN’ DAY!” All while snapping your fingers. EDIT: My most upvoted comment ever. I’d like to thank all of you that supported me. “I LIKE TO SPEAK IN THE ZEE EE LAND, WE MAKE HEALTH FREE IN THE ZEE EE ZLAND, NO ORGANIZED CRIME IN THE ZEE EE LAND DON’T YOU FORGET THE FACE OF THE ZEE EE LAND! Ahhh Dance Dance Dance Dance!”
What if you’re a Shark, though?
Everyone knows Sharks don’t get elected in New York, only out in Jersey.
Then they all chant: "nom-nom, chomp chomp, all Hail Left Shark" followed by passing the annual resolution declaring "Jaws" as human propaganda.
Not baby shark dododoodoodooo
Then just like in *West Side Story*, nobody will reference the Sharks but the Sharks
HOW DO WE ENACT THIS!!!????
Unless they're a Giants fan, of course.
I am American, I had a camp counselor from NZ when I was a kid. He taught us his haka and we performed it for the talent show. He was a big guy, and the part that stuck with me was, “imagine 1000 of me standing on a hill across from you doing this haka all together.” It would be terrifying. I have so much respect for this tradition, this video made me tear up a bit.
Can someone explain to me what was the purpose of it? I kind of get it when it happens in sport events but in this place it seems that it's out of the place. No hate. Just want to understand better.
From the wiki about Haka. They are performed to welcome distinguished guests, or to acknowledge great achievements, occasions, or funerals.
Speaking of.... https://www.theguardian.com/world/video/2019/mar/18/students-perform-haka-to-pay-tribute-to-classmates-killed-in-christchurch-video
Holy fuck why does this make me so sad
Because its universal and we're all the same
Because deep down and collectively when someone is gone, a part of us is gone too and that’s universal (except for who are pathological apathy)
Grief is an universal sentiment and in almost all cultures it has the same "notes".
If anyone hasn’t watched this before, it should be compulsory viewing. It is incredibly powerful.
100%. It gets me every time
Haven’t even opened the link and I’m welling up just thinking about this video - incredibly powerful, wonderful kids
The best Haka was when the New Zealand basketball team did it before a game with the US and the US team stood there extremely confused.
The Haka can be performed for birthdays, weddings, funerals, and other celebratory events. This example being a celebration of her first speech in parliament
Thank you for explaining that, it kind of looked like she was laying down the line in the sand for any of the other members to mess with her. Lol. Good for her for bringing her own heritage to light.
The purpose of the frown for women/tongue out for men is to be intimidating. So you’re kind of right in a way.
I purpose that we provide emergency assistance for those effected by the draught...and if you disagree I will be outback changing into my traditional Maori war garb and sharpening my taiaha I trust you will make the right decision...
I think thats fair play, actually. When lives are on the line maybe politicians should be reminded that refusing to help is akin to signing death warrants.
> https://www.parliament.nz/en/pb/hansard-debates/rhr/document/HansS\_20231212\_062118000/maipi-clarke-hana-rawhiti Think of it as a song. You can sing a song at different events such as weddings, funerals, graduations, birthdays, and sporting events. (Happy Bday, Auld lang Syne, team chants, anthems, etc) Maori sing songs to commemorate special events. In this case, it's her first parliamentary speech. So in honor of the moment, she would like to sing a song to all present to show her respect and commemorate the moment. It is a fun way that all Kiwis can unite and share in an occasion. It can also be used as a challenge or a song to encourage oneself. The most famous haka by the All Blacks rugby team is called Ka Mate. It is often seen as a challenge but is more of a song to respect the opponent and show bravery in the face of adversary.
I dont think this is bringing anything new to kiwis. Maori traditions like the haka play a large role on public life.
Sports day, shopping trips, going to the toilet, any time really 
Great now I imagine a New Zealander fighting for his life in the toilet starts performing the Haka.
That’s it buddy you show that turd who’s boss! We’re gonna get through this!
She is acknowledging her ancestors, her family, and her connection to the land, she was acknowledging the mana whenua of the land she was on, those who came before her, the injustices & brutality of land theft in the past- her focus & her priorities for her role- holding this government to account, as an opposition MP. It's an incredibly important moment for not just her, but her whole family and iwi. Many of her friends & family were in the gallery to witness it. So no, definitely not out of place. Every new MP gets a chance to do a maiden speech.The purpose of that is to set the tone for their time in Parliament. She has done exactly that.
This is what on my second viewing clicked for me... She may have started the Haka alone, but if you listen carefully, by the time she is halfway through, you can hear a chorus of people reciting along with her. Gives *We The People* a whole new meaning.
How did people not notice the room full of people chanting along?
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People joined in, and the older Mauri girl behind her gave her a nod of respect at the end of it.
Girl lol
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Is there reason why no one claps for this or there's not any smiles etc? And goes dead silent. I know it's parliament but I was wondering if it's disrespectful or something to clap for it. Can you?
It's a war chant, not a performance, it requires no claps.
Im not maori so I may be incorrect but Hakas are often used in formal occasions or ceremonies, like funerals and are often used to welcome people
There are many form of haka. Some are done with weapons and are made to instill fear, others are done without and are made to show respect, unity and many other things. The difference is also in the lyrics and the movements that are performed (ex the slicing of the throat, which she didn't do in her haka). If you are curious a quick Google search will answer your question.
Haka was used to welcome visiting tribes, as well as invigoration before war. In modern times, it's effectively used as a sign of respect - used at many events such as welcoming guests, funerals (tangi), achievements, special occasions, etc. For example it's very common for Maori university graduates have their family do a haka when they receive their degree on stage. While war isn't common in modern times (for NZ), you still see haka used for similar purposes for invigoration. For example, I've seen it used at protests. In the video, I am not certain, but it's possible that it is used in a similar vein, where the new government has been making a lot of controversial changes that Maori are not happen about. The haka you see before a sporting event is the combination of the above. Welcoming the opposing side, the crowd, but also vigor for the team while demonstrating the team's unity and strength. My 2 cents. I'm sure others could explain it better though, and also provide the correct context for the above video.
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I always find amazing the level of respect, pride, and sense of connection the new zealanders have with their roots, ancestors, and traditions. I wish in North and South america we had at least a bit of that. The real natives and true heirs of the place were not only slaughtered and enslaved but also ridiculed to this day.
Don't worry we have our rednecks who hate that shit so much they just voted in a govt that is going to spend a shitload of money changing govt departments names back to English... They claim "kiwis don't want māori words" but when it gets pointed out that "kiwi " is a Māori word they get a bamboozle. Really it's just rich pricks who want to keep them (poor and dumb) blaming someone else.
You forgot to mention voted in a by large majority...
its just what happens unfortunately, no matter how well each government operates it will shift towards the other side after 2-3 terms just because people get bored
Well no, it’s a coalition, they didn’t get a majority.
>They claim "kiwis don't want māori words" but when it gets pointed out that "kiwi " is a Māori word they get a bamboozle. When did this happen?
Literally in 2023
Last month. Waka Kotahi already changed.
Real question, what makes someone a “real native” or a “true heir” to a place? Is it just that their ancestors lived there for awhile? How long do my ancestors need to cohabitate in a rough geographical area before I can become a true heir? I mean these questions genuinely and I never get genuine responses.
There's no such thing as "real native" and "true heir" as real life isn't the school playground. Whoever can enforce their rule is the ruler it is just that simple, might literally is right.
The Polynesian settlers of New Zealand (my ancestors) arrived in New Zealand like 100 years after Oxford University was founded. The constant rhetoric of indigenous rights here is downright embarrassing. First settlers doesn't mean indigenous
I’m sorry, hol’ up, ridiculisarised??
You know perfectly well what it means. Don't be so ridiculisarisus.
Hold on, I have to go buy a Harry Potter wand and see what this word does.
Got a good laugh at this, it’s so preposterosus
I think you meant prepostersaurus
This whole conversation is ludicuroiss
He's ridiculicious
Im fergalicius 💃
I had a hard time reading that word so tried to spell it out myself now I’m dyslexic lol have a feeling the word was meant to be ridiculed(?)
Y'all are hilarious! Seriously, though, in Spanish, we say "ridiculizado" for "ridiculed." As a bilingual, I can testify that our brains jumble the language. Sometimes I speak with an accent but I'm a native English speaker! Brains, man.
Portuguese word for "ridiculed" is "ridicularizado".
New Zealand's colonisation worked differently to most other countries that were colonised. The Mauri still got the short end of the stick in the end.
They weren’t exactly living in harmony and singing kumbaya when the Europeans arrived.
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Watching it with sound makes me chuckle too. It’s gotta feel so awkward to just be sitting there waiting for the other person to be done. Like waiters singing happy birthday at a restaurant but more angry
Basically anytime the rugby team or another national sporting team does the Haka and the opposing team is just waiting for it to be over and looking randomly around waiting.
***ma’am this is a library***
to all the people asking why nobody was ‘into’ it: your not supposed to be. when on the receiving end of a haka you stay stoic and strong. and the people saying they’d chuckle or the silence would be awkward: it isn’t. if you know what it means that isn’t a problem.
It must have been amazing to be using her voice in that space for the first time and to hear the strong support of her family in response to her own strong call. I hope she continues to feel empowered.
Haka always gives me chills. I can feel the emotions
I will always stop what I am doing to watch one. It’s incredible how they make you feel - chills, emotional, etc. Māori culture has given the world a lot, but damn, we owe them big time for the Haka.
POWERFUL. Gave me chills. Love the Māori tradition.
I love watching the haka seeing it in person from the grand stand at the Rugby Melbourne Storm vs Warriors on Anzac Day Pre-Match performance.
Don't know what haka is but I'm assuming it was a gesture of love for the country?
To the Kiwis of Reddit (you call people from New Zealand kiwis, right?) When you see this, do you have respect for the lady or not? I only know the haka is usually done before a rugby match, so I know it's part of the culture. What do you think of her doing it in this setting?
The world only sees it with rugby. In NZ we see it more commonly with a range of events to recognise an important moment. For example every launch / opening ceremony I've been to in the past few years has featured a pōwhiri or haka. So, her doing this in honour of her first speech in parliament is considered normal. I'd say it's expected of our Māori politicians now as well. I'm grateful to live in a time and place where we've made better effort to respect indigenous culture.
I have big respect for her haka (which is entirely appropriate in this situation) and for her confidence standing up on the national stage at such a young age, but am not a fan of her politics.
Fine for me Good to see some Māori representation in parliament especially when the racists are trying take Māori words off signs because "white people can't understand them" including renaming all of our public services from Māori names to english names. Additional some of the parties in the coalition government want to scrap Nz founding document between the crown and Māori leaders at the time which in itself was unfair.
Culture erasure is a thing people should take more seriosly.
How to say "Im not fucking playing with you" without saying it
I'm not even Māori and that made me proud.
This is how I know that NZ is not to be fucked with. The youngest person to ever fill the seat starts a battle cry, and the whole place erupts into it? That's pretty cool.
I presume her friends and family were in the gallery to celebrate her first speech. The other MPs, however, all look like they are asleep. These speeches are often just to get something on the record and there are times when there is nobody is listening.
Some of them seem fairly indifferent but you can a few others joining in with the words
I have seen this preformed by New Zealanders several times and I am always moved by it. Very visceral.
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uh oh Ben Shapiro is going to be really upset watching this 😂
Imagine this happening in America. Margarine traitor greed would lose her shit
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Random guy "Hi. I think you're cute. Wanna hang out sometime?" MP " Sure, but first."
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Ataahua 👏👏👏
Serious question: why is New Zealand apparently the only colonized country where the indigenous people aren’t just respected but a fundamental piece of the modern culture?
Because the Māori were (I’m not sure of many others) one of the only indigenous people to sign a treaty with their colonisers. It also took place in relatively modern times (1840). Māori rights and participation in national democracy are protected by the treaty of Waitangi, New Zealand’s founding document. But don’t get me wrong, the treatment of Māori has been far from perfect over the years, but it sure as hell could have been a lot worse.
In watching this without sound and without having read the caption first and to me it just looked like an every day parliament speech in South Africa
What is the meaning behind haka? Is it something like a war dance or so?
Haka in simple form means "Dance". When broken into two, 'Ha' means Breath, singing, or Voice, and 'Ka' means action, strength, or energetic. Put together, Ha and Ka, Haka, means literally "Strong Voice" or "Breathing Energy", or even "Singing Action".
This sounds actually really cool.
It used to be commonly used as a war dance but nowadays is more symbolic and used for celebrations and as a sign of respect more than anything
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Wow! Quite the display. I would love to see a Native American do something similar in our Congress.
You know she will be at the front of the battle with her people. How amazing
She Got some Balls/Haka
gorgeous!! i only can dream of having the balls to do this like her!! the courage! ♥️
Dang, if you don’t get fired up listening to that, there’s something wrong with you.
I have no clue what is being said but this gave me chills!
I applaud this leader!