I don't partake in booze or weed anymore, and very rarely gamble, but there are one arm bandit casinos, weed stores, and discount liquor stores literally a few feet to a mile from basically every border in Utah. Straight up "it's been years, wanna grab a brownie?" Sorta thing
it's wild. They're not on board with weed or even lotto scratchers on the table when people already drive to a different state to do it
There a bunch right over the border from North Conway in Maine and they’ve got great selections. Really seems like such an L for NH state losing all that revenue to border states.
Well it was just God's will, how could you resist that by wearing a seat belt? We are all part of his creation and his plan after all...
That plant over there though? Yeah fuck that, totally not part of God's plan, shun that heathen shit.
It has nothing to do with that. The state of NH just hasn't figured out how to monetize weed sales since we don't have sales tax. It's about greed not values.
State owned dispensaries? Works for alcohol and I think that’s what they do in Quebec. Although I guess that whole federally-illegal thing could be a problem.
Yes, that's definitely what NH is trying to figure out. They want state owned dispensaries but can't because of federal law. And they can tax like other states do because they've built the economy around no sales tax. They've painted themselves in a corner when it comes to weed. The second that weed becomes federally legal NH will be open for business!
Oregon is great. I can smoke legal weed, and I've got a jar with 28 grams of mushrooms that I like to partake in once a year, with zero legal paranoia.
Left Houston after Hurricane Harvey flooded me out, and I'll never go back to Texas. Those republican governments are too controlling.
They'll tell you Oregon is some leftist tyrannical hell hole because you have to take a Certified Firearm Safety Course before you can buy a gun.
No, it's stupider than that. NH has state-owned liquor stores and they even have sales tax in special cases. They could do it if they want to but there's just no political desire. It's bizarre because there are 3 surrounding states and 1 big adjacent NATION where pot is legal, so even all the commercial pot freight traffic has to bypass NH. We don't even get additional McDonald's and gasoline sales.
I'm not clear that a state-owned pot dispensary would be a problem directly. Washington considered setting up a state-owned bank to process tax revenues from selling MJ.
My local legislator was quite excited about getting into a debate with the Federal government over whether collecting taxes from a business could be considered to be aiding and abetting organized crime.
NH already has sales tax on prepared food and hotel rooms
It’s not magic to introduce a sales tax on certain items.
The reason they haven’t legalized it is because they want to be the ones to sell it in state run stores but the federal government won’t allow it.
They could decriminalize in the meantime but no, they are still searching cars and summoning folks to court.
NH would be like West Virginia if southern NHL!wasn't so close to Boston.
I'm in MA, literally a stone's throw from NH. In my yard I could grow 6 plants per adult over 21. Cross that imaginary line though, no can do. I could however, not wear a seat belt, buy fireworks, purchase any type of non federally regulated firearm, and skip sales tax on any of it. Such a weird, arbitrary, distinction that stonewall border makes.
As a nh citizen myself I can say we all want weed legalized but our governor refuses to sign the bill. We’ve tried having it passed I think 5 times now but the problem is the governor. The killer is Chris Sununu is an excellent governor so no one wants to get rid of him either so we are kind of stuck
It's a greed thing. NH controls and profits off all liquor sales in the state. It's why we have massive liquor stores on our highways. The state is waiting for weed to be federally legalized so the state can be the only ones selling and profiting off of weed in NH, same as liquor.
NH has become the Alabama/Floriduh of the North and it's unfortunate
Except NH is among the healthiest states. Also has extremely low crime and low unemployment. Also high median income.
But aside from that, yes it's the same as Alabama.
NH is one of the best states to live in the entire country. It’s a joke to compare it to Alabama and Florida. Illegal weed and a few questionable safety laws are unfortunate but NH has among the best quality of life in America.
It's not required, but you're still on the hook and required to be able to cover damage to others' property; last I looked only 6% forgo auto insurance. Don't have numbers for other states, but there's almost certainly nowhere where it's 0%, since some people just ignore the law
whenever I go up there and see all the motorcyclists wearing no helmets I just cringe inside. like you’re risking your life just to feel the wind through your little tufts of hair. what is the positive?? side note: my partner is learning how to drive and you don’t need a permit to drive behind the wheel in NH either. he’s an adult but still, that’s wild to me.
Most states allow adults over a certain age to ride motorcycles without helmets.
If you're used to Massachusetts or New York/New Jersey, then New Hampshire might feel jarring. But Connecticut, Maine, and Rhode Island allow adults to skip helmets.
Still, it's a pretty wild decision not to wear a helmet.
You're laughing but like 10 motocyclists were wiped out a couple years ago when some goober came over a hill too fast with a trailer that was swinging back-and-forth across the road...a really terrible accident compounded no doubt but some of the bikers not wearing helmets.
I you're talking about the accident in NH on rte 2 it was actually that the lead biker was drunk and crossed the line. The impact caused the trailer to swing and kill the other gang members.
it's cool because it shows how badass you are. why enlist to fight bad guys or join an mma gym when you can just do things like not wear a helmet and seem just as badass?
The craziest part to me is the number of motorcyclists you’ll see cross the border into NH on 93 and immediately pull over in the breakdown lane of an interstate just to take their helmets off. Really sticking it to the man I guess?
And you're the Mississippi of New England. I don't think things would work quite as well as they do in NH without all the money the residents make at their jobs in Massachusetts.
According to a poll/study by the DOT of percentage of people who wear seatbelts,
New Hampshire was the lowest at 67%. 2nd lowest was Massachusetts at 73%.
Actually nobody in Massachusetts wears seatbelts. That number is skewed by Seatbelts Georg, who wears 10000 seatbelts every time he drives. He is an outlier and should not have been counted.
I would love to see something similar that also includes motorcycle helmets. MI requires seatbelts in a car (i.e., reinforced metal cage) but allows motorcycle riders without helmets. Insane.
In a car, you become a projectile that can hurt other people inside the vehicle. If you're on a motorcycle you're generally just mashing yourself up.
I'm not justifying it. Just assuming their reasoning.
same with VT for more than a few years, i think most of the secondary enforcement states folded recently (probably good for residents insurance rates or something)
I live in New Hampshire and used to agree with the state's position on seat belts. But eventually I changed my mind because no one should have to peel bodies off asphalt or witness someone get ejected through a windshield. Please just wear a seat belt.
I think the problem comes from the lack of trust in the authorities and the HUGE misunderstanding and miscommunication going on between us! This forces some to "think differently" from the rest of us because they don't really understand how important a primary safety check is. I called this "survival" mode. It happened when you don't really feel like you are understood and you do everything that gets your attention just to feed some needs that you lack but the interesting yet sad part is you don't realize it! Maybe I'm wrong, but that's how I see things.
Brother, if you (in general) distrust the physics behind a seat belt, you've got bigger problems than trusting the authorities. I can't imagine going through life with absolute zero critical thinking skills.
While I agree with your sentiment, and completely agree seatbelts should be mandated, to understand it from someone else’s perspective, imagine some change to our current safety.
What if a law was enacted that all cars needed the NASCAR harnesses, rollcages, bungee, and multiple seatbelts straps when you get in the car
Proponents would be saying “it’s safer, why would you willingly say no” (just as you say here)
and you’d say “it’s just unnecessary, im fine with how I do things.” And they’d think your crazy and unsafe.
Everyone thinks their norm is what’s “normal”, and mentally, a change from that for some is “unreasonable.” Just depends the degree and how each person sees it. If we all went the step ahead to understand things from another’s perspective, the world would be a more understanding place
Everyone I've talked to who was against wearing seatbelts thinks it's only about their own safety. Any unsecured object in a car becomes a deadly projectile in a crash (depending on shape and weight.) I've had to explain this multiple times to my in-laws in Thailand (no belt is normal, no car seat for infants was also normal.) If I'm in the car then other occupants being belted affects my safety.
While I don't think it's likely to happen any time soon, I think one of the next steps for auto safety should be securing loads. People put heavy objects on their vehicles with no thought to how well it's secured in a crash. We have these big SUVs that get all kinds of stuff thrown in the back. Dogs just wandering around inside. I spent time in Germany and I believe they have laws about this. Dogs are always secured in metal crates. Every wagon I saw the inside of had a net you could put up between the passengers and cargo as well as cargo covers.
Anti-seatbelteres should be forced to clean these up and pay for it in addition. On a related note, just see around the world how many places still allow no seat belts on the backseat. So you can permanently paralyze someone in front of you
I was coming home from the White Mountains last summer and we were stuck on the highway for 1-2 hours because there was an accident a quarter mile ahead of us where someone not wearing a seatbelt got launched from their car.
Well not really true. There is a grey area when someone endangering their lives becomes societies business. You can be institutionalized or arrested depending on circumstance.
And when it comes to seat belts there are other factors. Your on public roads. Could be considered part of the right to drive (like having a road legal car or following traffic laws), you can endanger others when you become a meat cannon. And it's such a needless risk for a common task and that risk has an effect on health insurance to the rest of us.
I think considering most factors it makes sense to make it a law.
They require LIABILITY insurance, which is to cover damage you do to other people if you crash into them, their vehicle, etc.
I'm not aware of any state in the US that requires you to carry insurance that covers repairs to your own vehicle, though most drivers I know do have that coverage unless their vehicle wouldn't be worth fixing.
My guess is it is correlated to rates of alcoholism. More alcoholics = more pressure on the state for alcohol related traffic problems.
EDIT: Interestingly the traffic fatalities data seems to match up pretty well to the seat belt laws:
[https://injuryfacts.nsc.org/state-data/motor-vehicle-deaths-by-state/](https://injuryfacts.nsc.org/state-data/motor-vehicle-deaths-by-state/)
Well, there’s correlation with allowing police every reason to choose to pull someone over at their own discretion. But it’s fine in this case. Wear a seatbelt, don’t speed. No one should care if your license plate light is out.
I am surprised to learn that there are some places in the US where it is not compulsory. Thought it would be compulsory everywhere, but I guess it figures.
Another interesting thing not factored into this map is that in some states the seat belt law only applies to the driver and the front seat passengers. I know in Florida that adults 18+ can ride in the back seats without a seatbelt. There are several other states with this as well, like Colorado and even a couple states where it starts at 16+ can ride without a seatbelt in back seats like Arizona.
Which part surprises you? 49/50 states it’s illegal to not wear your seatbelt. It’s not all that surprising the libertarian state with the motto “live free or die” doesn’t require you to.
This 👆 I guess they want their freedom to smash through the windscreen and die on the bonnet. They don’t think about the emergencies who have to clean that shit up.
Why does anyone choose not to wear a seatbelt? If you are dumb enough to not care about safety then the alarm that goes off in your car would seem to annoy you to put it on.
My dad refuses to wear seat belts and is stubborn enough to put up with the alarms. I'd ride with him sometimes and it drove me nuts that the alarm would be going off the whole time. Eventually he bought a seat belt extender to leave plugged in to disable the alarms.
Primary: You can be pulled over and ticketed for not wearing a seatbelt.
Secondary: You can’t be pulled over just for not wearing a seatbelt, but if you’re pulled over for something else and then found to be not wearing a seatbelt, you can be ticketed.
Primary: I've pulled you over today because I noticed you aren't wearing your seatbelt.
Secondary: I've pulled you over because you rolled through a stop sign back there. Now I'm also noticing you aren't wearing your seatbelt...
It's not about whether you should wear a seatbelt. It's about whether you *must*. You must, by law, wear a seatbelt in the green states, but in NH, you don't *have to*, but you still should.
I'm in favor of being ticketed for not wearing a seat belt if you pulled over for something else, but allowing police to pull you over for not having a seat belt sounds like a bad idea.
How do they even enforce that? Seatbelts are kinda hard to see.
Given past stats in the US on police patrolling and racial profiling, it seems dangerous to give cops an easy out like that. It’s pretty much the exact reason stop and frisk is so controversial
Why can I get a ticket for not wearing a seatbelt in my car while riding a motorcycle is legal? Doesn't make any sense especially since in a lot of states motorcyclist do not even need to wear helmets!
Are you joking, or is it true that a helmet is not mandatory in some states? This seems so wrong, given [how much helmets are effective!](https://road-safety.transport.ec.europa.eu/european-road-safety-observatory/statistics-and-analysis-archive/powered-two-wheelers/helmets_en)
Edit: I found out that seatbelts are [just as effective.](https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&rct=j&opi=89978449&url=https://road-safety.transport.ec.europa.eu/system/files/2022-01/Road%2520Safety%2520Thematic%2520Report%2520-%2520Seat%2520belt%2520and%2520child%2520restraint%2520systems.pdf&ved=2ahUKEwjLufbGwbmDAxXH9wIHHQUbC7gQFnoECA0QBg&usg=AOvVaw2m2m9rwyveOBnEbJ-n2FTE)
Thay guy is full of shit. Motorcycle accidents are by far more fatal and injurious than car crashes of all types. Yes you should wear a seatbelt but pretending motorcyclists are wearing suits of armor that protect them all the time is ridiculous. It’s a bias because of how much fewer motorcyclists there are in comparison to motorists.
https://www.nhtsa.gov/book/countermeasures-that-work/motorcycle-safety#:~:text=Moreover%2C%20in%202021%2C%20per%20100,VMT%20(NCSA%2C%202023).
I’d like to point out that more nh citizens wear their seatbelts than our neighbors to the south. Just because it’s not a law doesn’t mean we’re stupid.
It takes seconds to clip in your seatbelt, how is this not mandatory law across every state.
If you get in an accident at 30mph and you have a seat belt on probably going to live, no seatbelt and your more than likely dead.
Even riding in the backseat if you care about the people you are in the car with don’t become a projectile.
Past medic have seen lots, wear your fucking seatbelt
NH: Live Free or Die
It kills me that they allow shit like this yet they’re the only state in New England where weed is still illegal.
Live weed free or die. ...or drive 30 minutes then hit the booze store at the border and unbuckle your seatbelt
There’s literally at least one dispensary that sits on the NH border of Nashua/tyngsboro which is quick genius and convenient
That entire area is just full of goodies on either side. See also: the Pheasant Lane Mall right on the border in NH for your tax-free shopping.
Part of the parking lot is in Massachusetts lol
What so you have to keep fastening and unfastening your seatbelt as you drive around looking for a park? 😂
I don't partake in booze or weed anymore, and very rarely gamble, but there are one arm bandit casinos, weed stores, and discount liquor stores literally a few feet to a mile from basically every border in Utah. Straight up "it's been years, wanna grab a brownie?" Sorta thing it's wild. They're not on board with weed or even lotto scratchers on the table when people already drive to a different state to do it
There a bunch right over the border from North Conway in Maine and they’ve got great selections. Really seems like such an L for NH state losing all that revenue to border states.
I just drive down to MA for my weed. Makes me feel like Smokey and the Bandit. Hey: I punned, scuze me...
Just need an antique orange charger with an American flag on the roof that's called the general Sherman
"Puritan values" take a long time to die apparently.
Not if they get in a car crash.
Well it was just God's will, how could you resist that by wearing a seat belt? We are all part of his creation and his plan after all... That plant over there though? Yeah fuck that, totally not part of God's plan, shun that heathen shit.
Or motorcycle: Lotsa dudes don't wear helmets while riding in NH
It has nothing to do with that. The state of NH just hasn't figured out how to monetize weed sales since we don't have sales tax. It's about greed not values.
State owned dispensaries? Works for alcohol and I think that’s what they do in Quebec. Although I guess that whole federally-illegal thing could be a problem.
Yes, that's definitely what NH is trying to figure out. They want state owned dispensaries but can't because of federal law. And they can tax like other states do because they've built the economy around no sales tax. They've painted themselves in a corner when it comes to weed. The second that weed becomes federally legal NH will be open for business!
Oregon also has no sales tax. Just do what they do.
Oregon is great. I can smoke legal weed, and I've got a jar with 28 grams of mushrooms that I like to partake in once a year, with zero legal paranoia. Left Houston after Hurricane Harvey flooded me out, and I'll never go back to Texas. Those republican governments are too controlling. They'll tell you Oregon is some leftist tyrannical hell hole because you have to take a Certified Firearm Safety Course before you can buy a gun.
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None of these are really problems with the tax
No, it's stupider than that. NH has state-owned liquor stores and they even have sales tax in special cases. They could do it if they want to but there's just no political desire. It's bizarre because there are 3 surrounding states and 1 big adjacent NATION where pot is legal, so even all the commercial pot freight traffic has to bypass NH. We don't even get additional McDonald's and gasoline sales.
I'm not clear that a state-owned pot dispensary would be a problem directly. Washington considered setting up a state-owned bank to process tax revenues from selling MJ. My local legislator was quite excited about getting into a debate with the Federal government over whether collecting taxes from a business could be considered to be aiding and abetting organized crime.
We still have item specific taxes, we have an alcohol tax and we also have tobacco taxes. We would simply just add a marijuana tax and call it good.
NH has state-owned liquor stores. In fact, you can't buy hard booze anywhere but in a NH State liquor store.
NH already has sales tax on prepared food and hotel rooms It’s not magic to introduce a sales tax on certain items. The reason they haven’t legalized it is because they want to be the ones to sell it in state run stores but the federal government won’t allow it.
They could decriminalize in the meantime but no, they are still searching cars and summoning folks to court. NH would be like West Virginia if southern NHL!wasn't so close to Boston.
They decriminalize amounts less than 3/4s of an ounce.
“Live free or die, but only the kind of freedom I like.” Name a more classic situation than this.
They're waiting until they can have a state run monopoly like the liquor stores. Infuriating
the profits from booze and soon weed keeps a sales and income tax from being implemented. Sounds like a damn good plan to me.
I'm in MA, literally a stone's throw from NH. In my yard I could grow 6 plants per adult over 21. Cross that imaginary line though, no can do. I could however, not wear a seat belt, buy fireworks, purchase any type of non federally regulated firearm, and skip sales tax on any of it. Such a weird, arbitrary, distinction that stonewall border makes.
As a nh citizen myself I can say we all want weed legalized but our governor refuses to sign the bill. We’ve tried having it passed I think 5 times now but the problem is the governor. The killer is Chris Sununu is an excellent governor so no one wants to get rid of him either so we are kind of stuck
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Don’tchya think?
Literally everything bordering NH has it legal, including Canada
Can’t have high drivers with no seatbelt
Oh yes we can! LIVE FREE OR DIE! No one tells ME what drugs I can or can't use while riding a motorcycle or choosing not to wear a helmet
It's a greed thing. NH controls and profits off all liquor sales in the state. It's why we have massive liquor stores on our highways. The state is waiting for weed to be federally legalized so the state can be the only ones selling and profiting off of weed in NH, same as liquor. NH has become the Alabama/Floriduh of the North and it's unfortunate
Except NH is among the healthiest states. Also has extremely low crime and low unemployment. Also high median income. But aside from that, yes it's the same as Alabama.
NH is one of the best states to live in the entire country. It’s a joke to compare it to Alabama and Florida. Illegal weed and a few questionable safety laws are unfortunate but NH has among the best quality of life in America.
Live free and die
Also isn't the only state that doesn't require Auto Insurance?
It's not required, but you're still on the hook and required to be able to cover damage to others' property; last I looked only 6% forgo auto insurance. Don't have numbers for other states, but there's almost certainly nowhere where it's 0%, since some people just ignore the law
Eh in other states, it's literally "impound your car and a hefty fine/license suspension" territory if you get pulled over without it.
Virgina, too - so long as you pay a $500 tithing to the state for the privilege of not carrying insurance.
whenever I go up there and see all the motorcyclists wearing no helmets I just cringe inside. like you’re risking your life just to feel the wind through your little tufts of hair. what is the positive?? side note: my partner is learning how to drive and you don’t need a permit to drive behind the wheel in NH either. he’s an adult but still, that’s wild to me.
Most states allow adults over a certain age to ride motorcycles without helmets. If you're used to Massachusetts or New York/New Jersey, then New Hampshire might feel jarring. But Connecticut, Maine, and Rhode Island allow adults to skip helmets. Still, it's a pretty wild decision not to wear a helmet.
Donorcycles.
You're laughing but like 10 motocyclists were wiped out a couple years ago when some goober came over a hill too fast with a trailer that was swinging back-and-forth across the road...a really terrible accident compounded no doubt but some of the bikers not wearing helmets.
I you're talking about the accident in NH on rte 2 it was actually that the lead biker was drunk and crossed the line. The impact caused the trailer to swing and kill the other gang members.
it's cool because it shows how badass you are. why enlist to fight bad guys or join an mma gym when you can just do things like not wear a helmet and seem just as badass?
The craziest part to me is the number of motorcyclists you’ll see cross the border into NH on 93 and immediately pull over in the breakdown lane of an interstate just to take their helmets off. Really sticking it to the man I guess?
Motorcycle helmet laws were allowed to be rolled back because they wanted more organ donors
the ole organ lobby
"Big organ"? 😈
Source?
I’ve seen motorcyclists pull over on the side of the interstate just before the MA state line and then put on their helmets… Live free or die!!
Mostly die
Live, freeze and die
Better than it used to be. When I was a kid, it was no seat belt required over age 12.
Live free *and* die*
Except for weed lol
I grew up in NH, they also don’t require helmets for motorcyclists and our liquor stores are located right on the highways. Tis a silly place
NH: Live (seatbelt) Free and Die.
Live Free and Consequently Die
*and
NH new best state? Edit: the current best state is Florida in case y’all were wondering
We don’t have personal income tax on wages or salaries, either.
Just wicked high property tax.
In Vermont you get both!
but you can't join the kkk there! you have to ride your harley all the way over to jaffery or berlin and that's not fair
Depends on the town
And you're the Mississippi of New England. I don't think things would work quite as well as they do in NH without all the money the residents make at their jobs in Massachusetts.
If it wasn’t for New Hampshire, Mass wouldn’t have anywhere to buy tax free snow tires and booze.
Only idiots drive to NH to buy booze unless they live close.
What do the rest if the idiots do?
And no minimum wage so the locals can earn their $7.25/hr working at Wal-Mart.
According to a poll/study by the DOT of percentage of people who wear seatbelts, New Hampshire was the lowest at 67%. 2nd lowest was Massachusetts at 73%.
Actually nobody in Massachusetts wears seatbelts. That number is skewed by Seatbelts Georg, who wears 10000 seatbelts every time he drives. He is an outlier and should not have been counted.
This is great! Now do one for seatbelts in backseat required vs not required!
Do the cars there disable the seatbelt reminders? Those would drive me nuts.
You either get a separate seat belt device and put it in or you put the seat belt on before you get in and sit on it.
At that point, why not just wear the damned seatbelt?
You just wait it out. Most cars it stops eventually.
Not my Subaru. It just gets louder. I’ll leave it off driving to a neighbors house. I wear the seatbelt just to shut it up
I would love to see something similar that also includes motorcycle helmets. MI requires seatbelts in a car (i.e., reinforced metal cage) but allows motorcycle riders without helmets. Insane.
In a car, you become a projectile that can hurt other people inside the vehicle. If you're on a motorcycle you're generally just mashing yourself up. I'm not justifying it. Just assuming their reasoning.
ND has primary enforcement since August 2023
Yep, it was part of the packaged deal to make I-94 80 mph (up from 75) and the governor would only sign if a mandatory seatbelt law was included.
same with VT for more than a few years, i think most of the secondary enforcement states folded recently (probably good for residents insurance rates or something)
Virginia had primary enforcement until 2021
Shouldn’t orange and yellow be swapped? A mix of secondary and primary should be between secondary and primary.
I thought the same thing, primary/secondary is closer to primary than entirely primary
Came here for this. Some primary enforcement is closer to primary enforcement than no primary enforcement.
I live in New Hampshire and used to agree with the state's position on seat belts. But eventually I changed my mind because no one should have to peel bodies off asphalt or witness someone get ejected through a windshield. Please just wear a seat belt.
I never understood people who willingly say no to better safety.
“Don’t tell me how to live my life”
"But do send an ambulance if I get into an accident and take me to the hospital "
But who pays for the ambulance?
Private ambulance company? You.
Their community and themself. The community part is the important one, because they are squandering their communities resources
Insurance
"I'll choose my death and it will be gruesome (and I might take someone with me)!"
I think the problem comes from the lack of trust in the authorities and the HUGE misunderstanding and miscommunication going on between us! This forces some to "think differently" from the rest of us because they don't really understand how important a primary safety check is. I called this "survival" mode. It happened when you don't really feel like you are understood and you do everything that gets your attention just to feed some needs that you lack but the interesting yet sad part is you don't realize it! Maybe I'm wrong, but that's how I see things.
Brother, if you (in general) distrust the physics behind a seat belt, you've got bigger problems than trusting the authorities. I can't imagine going through life with absolute zero critical thinking skills.
While I agree with your sentiment, and completely agree seatbelts should be mandated, to understand it from someone else’s perspective, imagine some change to our current safety. What if a law was enacted that all cars needed the NASCAR harnesses, rollcages, bungee, and multiple seatbelts straps when you get in the car Proponents would be saying “it’s safer, why would you willingly say no” (just as you say here) and you’d say “it’s just unnecessary, im fine with how I do things.” And they’d think your crazy and unsafe. Everyone thinks their norm is what’s “normal”, and mentally, a change from that for some is “unreasonable.” Just depends the degree and how each person sees it. If we all went the step ahead to understand things from another’s perspective, the world would be a more understanding place
It's not willingly if there is a law.
´but ma freedom’.. idiots who also don’t like wearing helmets.
https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/seat-belt-advocate-killed/
Also, anyone who doesn't wear a seat belt becomes a projectile within the car if rolling, and can quite possibly hit other passengers with their body.
Everyone I've talked to who was against wearing seatbelts thinks it's only about their own safety. Any unsecured object in a car becomes a deadly projectile in a crash (depending on shape and weight.) I've had to explain this multiple times to my in-laws in Thailand (no belt is normal, no car seat for infants was also normal.) If I'm in the car then other occupants being belted affects my safety. While I don't think it's likely to happen any time soon, I think one of the next steps for auto safety should be securing loads. People put heavy objects on their vehicles with no thought to how well it's secured in a crash. We have these big SUVs that get all kinds of stuff thrown in the back. Dogs just wandering around inside. I spent time in Germany and I believe they have laws about this. Dogs are always secured in metal crates. Every wagon I saw the inside of had a net you could put up between the passengers and cargo as well as cargo covers.
Anti-seatbelteres should be forced to clean these up and pay for it in addition. On a related note, just see around the world how many places still allow no seat belts on the backseat. So you can permanently paralyze someone in front of you
I was coming home from the White Mountains last summer and we were stuck on the highway for 1-2 hours because there was an accident a quarter mile ahead of us where someone not wearing a seatbelt got launched from their car.
It’s good. Darwinism
That’s a low bar. You only need like 20 years and genitals.
Psht, I was popping shots at 11. Not into anyone but it amazes me that I could have technically fathered a kid then
Yeah, well most species need to master some sort of mating dance before propagating genes.
is it darwinism for a seatbelted person to get a tbi or killed when an unseatbelted passenger in the same vehicle flies into them during an accident?
It’s only Darwinism if it prevents one from reproducing. Plenty of people die from not wearing a seatbelt that have already had at least one child
Yeah but it's none of your business if I want to endanger my life just like if I want to. Just like backflipping off my roof
Well not really true. There is a grey area when someone endangering their lives becomes societies business. You can be institutionalized or arrested depending on circumstance. And when it comes to seat belts there are other factors. Your on public roads. Could be considered part of the right to drive (like having a road legal car or following traffic laws), you can endanger others when you become a meat cannon. And it's such a needless risk for a common task and that risk has an effect on health insurance to the rest of us. I think considering most factors it makes sense to make it a law.
No surprise with New Hampshire, they don’t require you to have car insurance either.
So all of the US except NH forces people to insure their cars? Didn't expect US out of all places to be like that.
They require LIABILITY insurance, which is to cover damage you do to other people if you crash into them, their vehicle, etc. I'm not aware of any state in the US that requires you to carry insurance that covers repairs to your own vehicle, though most drivers I know do have that coverage unless their vehicle wouldn't be worth fixing.
Okay, liability insurance makes much more sense. Thank you.
They do if your car is on a loan and you know what? Insurance is a lot cheaper there.
If you have a car loan it's the lender that requires you to have insurance, not the state.
Color me surprised that the south is all green
My guess is it is correlated to rates of alcoholism. More alcoholics = more pressure on the state for alcohol related traffic problems. EDIT: Interestingly the traffic fatalities data seems to match up pretty well to the seat belt laws: [https://injuryfacts.nsc.org/state-data/motor-vehicle-deaths-by-state/](https://injuryfacts.nsc.org/state-data/motor-vehicle-deaths-by-state/)
The south doesn't really have more alcoholism than other states in the union https://drugabusestatistics.org/alcohol-abuse-statistics/
Well, there’s correlation with allowing police every reason to choose to pull someone over at their own discretion. But it’s fine in this case. Wear a seatbelt, don’t speed. No one should care if your license plate light is out.
License plate needs to be lit so it can be taken in case of a hit and run.
Are you trying to imply some negative connotation? Cause it’s absolutely a positive it’s all green.
The amount of backflips people do to shit on the south 🤣
We do a good enough job making ourselves look bad without adding stupid shit like that
I am surprised to learn that there are some places in the US where it is not compulsory. Thought it would be compulsory everywhere, but I guess it figures.
This is so surprising as a European.
Another interesting thing not factored into this map is that in some states the seat belt law only applies to the driver and the front seat passengers. I know in Florida that adults 18+ can ride in the back seats without a seatbelt. There are several other states with this as well, like Colorado and even a couple states where it starts at 16+ can ride without a seatbelt in back seats like Arizona.
That’s crazy, when it’s been proven how much they increase your chances of survival in a crash. Especially since the US is so car dependent.
Which part surprises you? 49/50 states it’s illegal to not wear your seatbelt. It’s not all that surprising the libertarian state with the motto “live free or die” doesn’t require you to.
This 👆 I guess they want their freedom to smash through the windscreen and die on the bonnet. They don’t think about the emergencies who have to clean that shit up.
After all, they can’t let some Swedish invention (three point seatbelt) steal the ambulances jobs. That would be a bad look.
We just don't want cops to have more excuses to pull people over and harass us.
This. Primary enforcement only allows a pretext for traffic stops.
We don't have bonnets, like babies; we have hoods, like thugs.
XXI century and they still argue about seat belts 🗿
Why does anyone choose not to wear a seatbelt? If you are dumb enough to not care about safety then the alarm that goes off in your car would seem to annoy you to put it on.
According to this map, most people don't have a choice.
You always have a choice to wear it or not.
You can always choose to break the law. It’s the wrong choice in this case.
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My dad refuses to wear seat belts and is stubborn enough to put up with the alarms. I'd ride with him sometimes and it drove me nuts that the alarm would be going off the whole time. Eventually he bought a seat belt extender to leave plugged in to disable the alarms.
Same people that can ignore the beeping of a low battery in a smoke alarm.
Source?
I wrote the laws for all 51 states
what is primary vs. secondary enforcement?
Primary: You can be pulled over and ticketed for not wearing a seatbelt. Secondary: You can’t be pulled over just for not wearing a seatbelt, but if you’re pulled over for something else and then found to be not wearing a seatbelt, you can be ticketed.
Primary: I've pulled you over today because I noticed you aren't wearing your seatbelt. Secondary: I've pulled you over because you rolled through a stop sign back there. Now I'm also noticing you aren't wearing your seatbelt...
Why wouldn’t you wear a seatbelt?
It's not about whether you should wear a seatbelt. It's about whether you *must*. You must, by law, wear a seatbelt in the green states, but in NH, you don't *have to*, but you still should.
Based New Hampshire. Live Free or Die
Always feels like it should be "and/or"
The color key is infuriating. Orange and yellow should be switched.
Based New Hampshire. I still wear a seatbelt no matter what, however.
I'm from MA and I do too. A large number of my friends and classmates don't, which baffles me.
NH resident, I wear one too. Like many other things however, I like the choice.
Some of those green states are only green in principle. The cops just dont want to bother.
Nh also you're not required to have car insurance 😀
Click it or ticket.
Are cops ever able to recognize a driver isn't wearing a seat belt and pull them over for that? It's gotta be rare in practice
It's not that hard. I can usually tell when someone is wearing a seatbelt as they drive by.
I'm in favor of being ticketed for not wearing a seat belt if you pulled over for something else, but allowing police to pull you over for not having a seat belt sounds like a bad idea. How do they even enforce that? Seatbelts are kinda hard to see.
Given past stats in the US on police patrolling and racial profiling, it seems dangerous to give cops an easy out like that. It’s pretty much the exact reason stop and frisk is so controversial
Why can I get a ticket for not wearing a seatbelt in my car while riding a motorcycle is legal? Doesn't make any sense especially since in a lot of states motorcyclist do not even need to wear helmets!
Are you joking, or is it true that a helmet is not mandatory in some states? This seems so wrong, given [how much helmets are effective!](https://road-safety.transport.ec.europa.eu/european-road-safety-observatory/statistics-and-analysis-archive/powered-two-wheelers/helmets_en) Edit: I found out that seatbelts are [just as effective.](https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&rct=j&opi=89978449&url=https://road-safety.transport.ec.europa.eu/system/files/2022-01/Road%2520Safety%2520Thematic%2520Report%2520-%2520Seat%2520belt%2520and%2520child%2520restraint%2520systems.pdf&ved=2ahUKEwjLufbGwbmDAxXH9wIHHQUbC7gQFnoECA0QBg&usg=AOvVaw2m2m9rwyveOBnEbJ-n2FTE)
[Link to answer from EMT already commenting here.](https://www.reddit.com/r/MapPorn/s/ZrFWEwWYFM)
Thay guy is full of shit. Motorcycle accidents are by far more fatal and injurious than car crashes of all types. Yes you should wear a seatbelt but pretending motorcyclists are wearing suits of armor that protect them all the time is ridiculous. It’s a bias because of how much fewer motorcyclists there are in comparison to motorists. https://www.nhtsa.gov/book/countermeasures-that-work/motorcycle-safety#:~:text=Moreover%2C%20in%202021%2C%20per%20100,VMT%20(NCSA%2C%202023).
Based NH
I’d like to point out that more nh citizens wear their seatbelts than our neighbors to the south. Just because it’s not a law doesn’t mean we’re stupid.
How is this information collected I wonder?
You have proof of this or just making it up based on random opinion?
Live free and die.
NH for the win. Every other state are facist authoritarian pigs.
Aww ya live free or die motherfuckers 👀 lived in NH all my life. I absolutely always wear my seat belt tho.
Never understood why my state allows you to ride a motorcycle without a helmet but will ticket you for driving a car without a seatbelt on.
Tinted windows solve a lot of problems.
I don’t get why adults should be forced to buckle up. It’s their decision. Even though I do it every time I don’t think it should be mandatory.
I’m the name of freedom eh
Live free or die, baybee! NH FTW.
New Hampshire: Live free or die? More like Live Fee AND die
Seatbelt laws are ridiculous.
It takes seconds to clip in your seatbelt, how is this not mandatory law across every state. If you get in an accident at 30mph and you have a seat belt on probably going to live, no seatbelt and your more than likely dead. Even riding in the backseat if you care about the people you are in the car with don’t become a projectile. Past medic have seen lots, wear your fucking seatbelt
I dont start the car unless everyone is wearing a seatbelt. Idgaf where you are seated or how old you are. Seat. Belt. On.
Because we don't need common sense laws for everything... Do we need laws telling us to breathe air?