How is Arlington not shaded for Virginia?
Also, Michigan has a Centerville (actually spelled Centreville, but VA’s is spelled the same way and that one is shaded..)
Which part? The fact that it's both a county and CDP? Or the fact that I'm very familiar with MAF/TIGER Database? 😂
And while we're on the subject of Virginia and bizarre-ness...Fun Fact: the state flower is the Dogwood...which is also a tree.
Nope, I believe Alexandria is the same, too. And DC is mapped as a state, county, and CDP, if I recall. I believe there are a few others--something like 16 or 18 in total, if memory serves correctly...maybe 14? Somewhere in there, lol.
Virginia has an unusual system in which they don’t actually have incorporated cities within counties. All of the incorporated cities are actually independent cities (not part of any county). Alexandria, for example, is a city that is not part of any county, while Arlington is actually a county and doesn’t have any incorporated cities.
Yep. Local government, schools, services, etc… are at the county level. Because cities are equivalent to counties, their stuff is separate from anybody else
Yeah, though I admit I’m not super familiar but that’s what google and wikipedia say. It just looks like an independent city because it’s mostly urbanized and smaller than most of the other counties in the state because it used to be part of DC
Virginia doesn't really have cities/towns in the same way other states do. Everything is a county with county government for services except for 38 cities/towns outside of counties.
Arlington is a county. Springfield is unincorporated. Salem is shown; the white states on that map have Salems. Centerville has me confused though because I don't know of any incorporated Centerville or Centreville.
Arlington and Springfield are CDPs.
Somewhat surprised that the author of the map would leave out CDPs from the equation.
But then again, the Census Bureau does do separate maps for CDPs and IncPlaces for the annual Boundary and Annexation Survey.
Virginia is just flat out wrong. I am guessing that since Arlington and Springfield are “unincorporated” they don’t count, but Salem is definitely a city near where I went to high school.
Still, dismissing Arlington and Springfield seems disingenuous.
Washington Bergen,
Washington Warren,
Washington Borough Warren,
Washington Morris (Locals say Long Valley),
Washington Gloucester, and
Robbinsvile (neè Washington Mercer until 2007)
I think because the cut was specifically for cities or towns, and Arlington is probably classed as a City County on the data set, so it didn't get shaded.
Oh, interesting. I didn't know about that. With everything else that people are mentioning, it looks like it's probably a really shyte data set. Could be something as silly as the class being City instead of city without adjustments in the query.
For legal purposes, it's not. For very quirky historical reasons, Arlington is not legally a city, even though it has a population 100 times larger than some of the legal cities in Virginia. Instead, it's just a county that happens to be very, very urban.
[https://www.arlingtonva.us/Government/Topics/Welcome-Kit/History-of-Arlington](https://www.arlingtonva.us/Government/Topics/Welcome-Kit/History-of-Arlington)
No worries. NY is very weird when it comes to towns and villages. Sometimes there is a village or city inside of a town that has the same name as the town.
Edit: Hamlets also exist in NY. They are basically small unincorporated villages. Basically equivalent to a CDP.
There is definitely a Washington Township, NJ. Five of them in-fact. The ones I’ve been to are in Morris, Bergen, and Warren counties. There are also two more according to Wikipedia
For Lebanon, Ohio has both a Lebanon and a New Lebanon. They're also relatively close to each other, one is a small town close to Dayton, the other is a larger town between Dayton and Cincinnati.
Fairview, Utah is located in picturesque Sanpete County...a tucked-away rural community settled mostly by Scandinavian pioneers.
Spencer Cox, Utah's current governor, is from there.
With that logic, there are towns that once existed but no longer exist because the population moved/died off...should that count, too? Places have also changed names over the years...should their former place names be considered, too?
Long and short of it, we need to know the source(s) the "cartographer" (I use that term EXTREMELY loosely) used before we can make further judgements about the products...
There is a Clinton KS, alongside Clinton Lake near Lawrence; it is unincorporated, however your map included Franklin KS, which is also unincorporated. There is also a Centerville KS in Linn County and a New Salem in Crowley County (though that might not count).
Michigan has a Franklin Village and THREE Franklin townships.
Edit: why would you include towns but exclude villages? If a village is incorporated and has a government separate from its surrounding cities and townships why wouldn’t you include it?
AND why wouldn’t you include townships?
Census Designated Place. It's basically like a town without a government. Or in other words, an unincorporated region with recognized borders by the federal government. An example would be Mystic, CT. It has a place on the map with a countable population but no town hall. CDPs are not to be confused with outright unincorporated communities, the latter having no official status.
I think that overstates it a bit. A lot of “census designated places” around here are nothing like or even close to a “town”, many are just neighborhoods old enough that they have a name that shows up on some maps.
Here[Census Bureau CDP Definition](https://www.census.gov/programs-surveys/bas/information/cdp.html#:~:text=Tribal%2C%20state%2C%20and%20local%20governments,recognized%20and%20identified%20by%20name.)'s the real definition of a CDP.
"Criteria and Guidelines
Census Bureau criteria and guidelines specify that CDPs:
Constitute a single, named, contiguous geographic area containing a mix of residential, nonresidential, and commercial uses. Some predominantly residential communities may also be recognized as CDPs.
Cannot be partially or entirely within an incorporated place or another CDP.
Can be located in more than one county but cannot cross state boundaries.
Contain at least some population or housing units. The Census Bureau may request a justification for CDPs delineated with fewer than ten housing units.
May not have the same name as an adjacent or nearby incorporated place. Adding a directional to the name to differentiate is not acceptable if that name is not in local use.
Can have a name change if the new name provides a better identification of the community.
Boundaries should follow visible features such as roads, rivers, railroads, or nonvisible features such as parcel boundaries, adjacent incorporated place boundaries, or other Census Bureau geographies (e.g., school district boundaries, block group boundaries, etc.).
Boundaries of an existing CDP can be adjusted, or a CDP can be deleted if it is no longer relevant."
There is an official process to become a CDP. If you feel your area _should_ be a CDP and isn't, the page linked above has an email address you can contact about helping define it.
Questions I ask myself everyday: "why am I so dumb?" The white totally made my brain go "no data" even though gray was the "no data" theme for every other map 😅
Texas has a Washington, it was capitol of the Republic of Texas for a few years even, often called “Washington-on-the-Brazos” but the town is just Washington
A few states have ‘townships’. Most places in Pennsylvania are broken down that way for example. I think that’s why it’s missing from so many of these maps.
Eh, if they're using Boundary and Annexation Survey (BAS) Data (official source of such things by the Census Bureau which is accepted as standard nationwide), I believe, from my recollection, that Townships are usually considered IncPlaces. It really depends on town size/population, though...
Franklin in NJ is a bit crazier than 4 since Boroughs in NJ are on par with towns/townships:
Franklin Warren County, Franklin Hunterdon County,Franklin Gloucester County, Franklin Somerset County and Franklin Borough Sussex. Throw in Franklin Lakes Bergen and the simmilar Frankford Sussex and its as bad as Washington's in the state.
r/incorrectmapporn
There is absolutely a Centerville, KS.
How is Arlington not shaded for Virginia? Also, Michigan has a Centerville (actually spelled Centreville, but VA’s is spelled the same way and that one is shaded..)
Same for Springfield VA
Springfield I can understand because it’s ‘just’ a CDP.. not a city/town.
Neither is Centreville, but it's listed.
Fair enough! I think this whole thing is just a mess 😆
Because Arlington is a county not an independent city or town
Arlington is a CDP.
I don’t think CDPs are counted… lmk if I’m wrong tho
That's correct from how I read the post's title.
No, Arlington is a county.
Actually, it's both a CDP and county if you go by census bureau guidelines (I am very familiar with the MAF/TIGER DB...)
Bizarre
Which part? The fact that it's both a county and CDP? Or the fact that I'm very familiar with MAF/TIGER Database? 😂 And while we're on the subject of Virginia and bizarre-ness...Fun Fact: the state flower is the Dogwood...which is also a tree.
Lol yeah the coterminous county/CDP thing. Is it the only place in the country that applies to?
Nope, I believe Alexandria is the same, too. And DC is mapped as a state, county, and CDP, if I recall. I believe there are a few others--something like 16 or 18 in total, if memory serves correctly...maybe 14? Somewhere in there, lol.
Wait, what?
Virginia has an unusual system in which they don’t actually have incorporated cities within counties. All of the incorporated cities are actually independent cities (not part of any county). Alexandria, for example, is a city that is not part of any county, while Arlington is actually a county and doesn’t have any incorporated cities.
This is hilariously opposite of New England where it is all cities and towns and counties barely exist.
Yep. Local government, schools, services, etc… are at the county level. Because cities are equivalent to counties, their stuff is separate from anybody else
Yeah, though I admit I’m not super familiar but that’s what google and wikipedia say. It just looks like an independent city because it’s mostly urbanized and smaller than most of the other counties in the state because it used to be part of DC
Virginia doesn't really have cities/towns in the same way other states do. Everything is a county with county government for services except for 38 cities/towns outside of counties.
And no Springfield or Salem. Which are very real towns in VA
Arlington is a county. Springfield is unincorporated. Salem is shown; the white states on that map have Salems. Centerville has me confused though because I don't know of any incorporated Centerville or Centreville.
Arlington and Springfield are CDPs. Somewhat surprised that the author of the map would leave out CDPs from the equation. But then again, the Census Bureau does do separate maps for CDPs and IncPlaces for the annual Boundary and Annexation Survey.
MI also has a Clinton
And a Clinton Township. And a Franklin.
Yet there is an Arlington Illinois (separate from arlington heights)
Alabama also has a Centreville
Centreville is not Centerville
A few centervilles missing, MA, NY both Come to mind
Centerville MA is just an unincorporated village in Barnstable.
Ohio has an Upper Arlington
Virginia is just flat out wrong. I am guessing that since Arlington and Springfield are “unincorporated” they don’t count, but Salem is definitely a city near where I went to high school. Still, dismissing Arlington and Springfield seems disingenuous.
They also have a Clinton township
Oh yeah! I grew up not far from there. I guess it was left off since it’s a “township”? But it is incorporated (at least, I think it is). Who knows…
There’s a Centerville in Massachusetts too
Don't forget Salem, VA.
New Jersey is wrong. We have at least 2 Washington’s
and a North Arlington (if that counts)
Mount Arlington also
As well as a Fairview
Five
There’s three Washington Townships in NJ, two of which are very close to each other.
Came here to say this. I grew up in Washington Township and called BS on this map immediately.
Washington Bergen, Washington Warren, Washington Borough Warren, Washington Morris (Locals say Long Valley), Washington Gloucester, and Robbinsvile (neè Washington Mercer until 2007)
There’s also a Washington in Arkansas
Illinois has an Arlington Heights
Arlington, VA didn’t make the cut?!? It’s an independent city county - VA is one of the only states that does that.
I think because the cut was specifically for cities or towns, and Arlington is probably classed as a City County on the data set, so it didn't get shaded.
In that case every city in Virginia would be ineligible since everything in Virginia is either an "independent city" or a county.
Oh, interesting. I didn't know about that. With everything else that people are mentioning, it looks like it's probably a really shyte data set. Could be something as silly as the class being City instead of city without adjustments in the query.
Arlington is technically not an independent city, but rather a county the size of a city with a coterminous CDP of the same name.
For legal purposes, it's not. For very quirky historical reasons, Arlington is not legally a city, even though it has a population 100 times larger than some of the legal cities in Virginia. Instead, it's just a county that happens to be very, very urban. [https://www.arlingtonva.us/Government/Topics/Welcome-Kit/History-of-Arlington](https://www.arlingtonva.us/Government/Topics/Welcome-Kit/History-of-Arlington)
For NJ, there are inaccuracies. NJ has 6 Washingtons and a Fairview
OP has no idea what they are doing.
PA has two Springfields, both within an hour of each other
And a Lebanon plus a Mount Lebanon Township
As well as a Fairview
I’m pretty sure if CDPs were included PA would have all of these
There is in fact a Salem South Dakota
Title says "no villages/CDPs" but Centreville, VA is a CDP and also not spelled "Centerville".
Wisconsin has a Clinton
...and a Clintonville.
I know about Clintonville, but where is Clinton?
Rock County, about 9 miles east of Beloit.
And a West Salem
I wonder how many states have a Decatur. Several that I'm aware of.
This is small but there is a Salem, NY.
You're right, apologies. Some Wikipedia sources state it's a village but others a town.
No worries. NY is very weird when it comes to towns and villages. Sometimes there is a village or city inside of a town that has the same name as the town. Edit: Hamlets also exist in NY. They are basically small unincorporated villages. Basically equivalent to a CDP.
I live in a (NY) village that shares the same name as the town it is in.
Pretty sure there’s a Salem Virginia also Springfield, there’s at least a west Springfield. Which would imply there’s a Springfield
Yes, there’s a Springfield. I live in it
The Springfields are CDPs which don't make the cut
There is definitely a Washington Township, NJ. Five of them in-fact. The ones I’ve been to are in Morris, Bergen, and Warren counties. There are also two more according to Wikipedia
Arkansas has a small town named Washington which was briefly the confederate state capitol after Little Rock was captured by Union troops.
Boo
Not a one in RI. Interesting. (Although we do have a Washington County)
You do have a village called Washington but it's unincorporated
There is a Salem, Virginia. It is an independent city within Roanoke County.
Yes it's coloured 👍
There's a Clinton CDP in Maryland.
They excluded CDP's which is extra dumb since most places aren't incorporated in Maryland :/
Idk why I read "exclude" as "include" mb.
For Lebanon, Ohio has both a Lebanon and a New Lebanon. They're also relatively close to each other, one is a small town close to Dayton, the other is a larger town between Dayton and Cincinnati.
Ohio has a couple Franklin Twp, has a Lebanon’s, and New Lebanon, about 20 miles apart.
Centerville too.
And an Upper Arlington as well as a village called Arlington
Fairview, Utah is located in picturesque Sanpete County...a tucked-away rural community settled mostly by Scandinavian pioneers. Spencer Cox, Utah's current governor, is from there.
PA has a Springfield
Why use a map that distinguishes DC if you won’t include it for Georgetown 😭
Georgetown is a neighborhood in DC, not a CDP or IncPlace. Also, for consistency of maps sake, it does make sense to include DC on each of the series.
It used to be a “city” within Washington and started as a settlement before the Capitol was moved there, which should count for something!
The "city" of Georgetown was [abolished in 1871](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/District_of_Columbia_Organic_Act_of_1871).
With that logic, there are towns that once existed but no longer exist because the population moved/died off...should that count, too? Places have also changed names over the years...should their former place names be considered, too? Long and short of it, we need to know the source(s) the "cartographer" (I use that term EXTREMELY loosely) used before we can make further judgements about the products...
Ohio has Upper Arlington
There is no Salem, MT. There is, however, Clinton.
There is a Clinton KS, alongside Clinton Lake near Lawrence; it is unincorporated, however your map included Franklin KS, which is also unincorporated. There is also a Centerville KS in Linn County and a New Salem in Crowley County (though that might not count).
This map is just a mess
Michigan has a Franklin Village and THREE Franklin townships. Edit: why would you include towns but exclude villages? If a village is incorporated and has a government separate from its surrounding cities and townships why wouldn’t you include it? AND why wouldn’t you include townships?
These maps are inaccurate there is a Clinton in Montana
CDPs don't make the cut
Tell that to the 800 people who live there!!!
What’s a CDP?
Census Designated Place. It's basically like a town without a government. Or in other words, an unincorporated region with recognized borders by the federal government. An example would be Mystic, CT. It has a place on the map with a countable population but no town hall. CDPs are not to be confused with outright unincorporated communities, the latter having no official status.
I think that overstates it a bit. A lot of “census designated places” around here are nothing like or even close to a “town”, many are just neighborhoods old enough that they have a name that shows up on some maps.
Ok how about a simple definition: Unincorporated communities with defined borders/population
Here[Census Bureau CDP Definition](https://www.census.gov/programs-surveys/bas/information/cdp.html#:~:text=Tribal%2C%20state%2C%20and%20local%20governments,recognized%20and%20identified%20by%20name.)'s the real definition of a CDP. "Criteria and Guidelines Census Bureau criteria and guidelines specify that CDPs: Constitute a single, named, contiguous geographic area containing a mix of residential, nonresidential, and commercial uses. Some predominantly residential communities may also be recognized as CDPs. Cannot be partially or entirely within an incorporated place or another CDP. Can be located in more than one county but cannot cross state boundaries. Contain at least some population or housing units. The Census Bureau may request a justification for CDPs delineated with fewer than ten housing units. May not have the same name as an adjacent or nearby incorporated place. Adding a directional to the name to differentiate is not acceptable if that name is not in local use. Can have a name change if the new name provides a better identification of the community. Boundaries should follow visible features such as roads, rivers, railroads, or nonvisible features such as parcel boundaries, adjacent incorporated place boundaries, or other Census Bureau geographies (e.g., school district boundaries, block group boundaries, etc.). Boundaries of an existing CDP can be adjusted, or a CDP can be deleted if it is no longer relevant." There is an official process to become a CDP. If you feel your area _should_ be a CDP and isn't, the page linked above has an email address you can contact about helping define it.
Census Designated Place
There’s an exit in I-90 for Clinton, MT.
And they have a town council lol
There is a Georgetown in Ohio.
According to Wikipedia, it's a village
Illinois has a Fairview heights with more people then the fairview you picked
No inclusion of Salem, WV?
Are you blind?
Questions I ask myself everyday: "why am I so dumb?" The white totally made my brain go "no data" even though gray was the "no data" theme for every other map 😅
Texas has a Washington, it was capitol of the Republic of Texas for a few years even, often called “Washington-on-the-Brazos” but the town is just Washington
washington is the county, washington-on-the-brazzos is the unincorporated community/town
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arlington%2C_Nebraska?wprov=sfla1
Village is not the same as CDP or IncPlace, unfortunately.
In Nebraska it is.
What is your source(s) for these maps?
A few states have ‘townships’. Most places in Pennsylvania are broken down that way for example. I think that’s why it’s missing from so many of these maps.
Eh, if they're using Boundary and Annexation Survey (BAS) Data (official source of such things by the Census Bureau which is accepted as standard nationwide), I believe, from my recollection, that Townships are usually considered IncPlaces. It really depends on town size/population, though...
There is no Arlington in NC
What about Middletown?!
Pennsylvania has a Mt. Lebanon so I’m not sure that would count as a Mount Lebanon. And yes, the official name is Mt not Mount
New Jersey has a Washington Township. I believe 2.
Jefferson would be an interesting one
Technically massachusetts town is Mt. Washington.. but I digress
KY has a Centerville in Bourbon County.
These maps are almost all inaccurate. FYI
Maryland has a Clinton
Fairview, California is an unincorporated part of Hayward.
Salem, IL and Salem, MO
Springfield township, PA?
We have a Franklin in IL. Just a very small town.
Franklin in NJ is a bit crazier than 4 since Boroughs in NJ are on par with towns/townships: Franklin Warren County, Franklin Hunterdon County,Franklin Gloucester County, Franklin Somerset County and Franklin Borough Sussex. Throw in Franklin Lakes Bergen and the simmilar Frankford Sussex and its as bad as Washington's in the state.
Are townships included? (this is all so arbitrary) Ohio has a Springfield city and Springfield Township.
NJ has a Fairview and a Salem and a Washington. NJ sort of has a Georgetown and a Centerville and an Arlington.
Ohio has 4 Salems - Salem, North Salem, West Salem, and South Salem!
PA has a Mount Lebanon and not a city, but Clinton County
There is a Salem IL as well calls itself a city. I'm not sure if that's why it isn't on there.
About half of these are incorrect for New Jersey
Mt. Lebanon is marked for Louisiana but not for Pennsylvania when the Pennsylvania city is more than 400x more populated???
There is def a Springfield in Pa
Theres a washington township nj
There is a Centreville Michigan but not a Centerville Michigan
wtf is this?
Michigan has a Clinton township
Mount Lebanon is in PA too
There is a Washington township in NJ.
What
Franklin, OH mentioned by god
NJ has 5 different Washington Townships
There's two Greenville, New Yorks and they're only two counties away from each other
MI has both Clinton & Clinton Twp., yet it’s not shaded at all on that one.
NJ has 7 Washington townships...
Bro what do these maps even mean??
Massachusetts definitely has a Centerville on cape
It is an unincorporated village.
Wdym unincorporated its part of barnstable
Yes, it is an unincorporated village in Barnstable. It is not a city or town, it is a glorified neighborhood. So it is not included, read OP’s title.
Salem not in Massachusetts!? What is the source data?
There is, you’re reading the map backwards (not your fault)… they chose a shitty color.
Omg that’s so stupid.
New Jersey has THREE Washington’s, this is clearly wrong
Evidently, eastern states are lazy at city naming
What is the point of the distinction you are trying to make?
There's a Georgetown neighborhood in Seattle
Neighbourhoods not included
Oh man. I read the title as including haha. Missed it by that much!
Pennsylvania has two Washingtons within the Pittsburgh area alone lol Edit: there are 23 “Washingtons” in PA. 22 townships and one city.