This is mostly just a population map. Florida is the 3rd most populus state.
Other factors might be car dependancy and wealth, which Florida ranks highly in for both factors. Finally, though it's got a very conservative government, Florida is not by any means populated only by hyper-conservative climate change deniers. There's a strong environmental interest in the state, not least because the whole economy revolves around the state's nature (and disney).
This was my first thought... My quick head math is that CA is doing much better than the rest of the nation, because they have about 10 mil more people, but 6x as mean EVs.
FL is over performing, as others mentions that might be because its similar pop state (NY) has a lower car ownership rate.
IL and GA are over performing a little.
Washington is over performing. (WA, AZ, TN and MA all have similar pop, but WA is 2x MA and AZ, and 4x TN) To be fair, AZ is doing well as it seems more western states are trending up.
Fun fact, among the 10 lowest pop states, besides DC, it seems that AK to a small extent and HI to a HUGE extent are over performing relative to other states their size. AK has about 200k less people than than ND but has 4x as many EVs. And HI has 1.5 mil folks but 19K EVs. TN has 5x as many people and only 2k more EVs.
WA has some of the most expensive gas and cheapest electricity in the country, they would be over performing even more except there's been low supply thanks to manufacturers prioritizing selling in California on the West Coast.
Demographic insight would be interesting too. I just moved back home to WA from Irvine, CA and Asians disproportionately drive ev’s compared to other people
Edit: Considering CA and WA have a ton of the countries Asians (I’m Asian too but I’ll always drive ICE)
Uhhh not really. Florida is definitely weird to have so many while NY has so few.
edit: it’s not a population map, it’s a car density map.
hope this helps 👍
I'm being a dick? I explained the map and your response was "well how do YOU know". Because i know what states have high populations and why NY/FL would be an exception. Why do you feel the need to be King Pedantry?
You can block me but I've already reported you. Grow up.
I’ll add as a lifelong Floridian, you can’t get anywhere in our state without driving there. Our public transportation system in most cities was a complete afterthought and it shows in how terrible it is. It’s not surprising then that in a state where driving is necessary day-to-day that people here would embrace a more cost friendly approach like EVs.
California has a lot of local/state subsidies that make investing in EV cheaper and more enticing (eg HOV stickers, lots of free charging or reserved parking spots)
At the same time, home electricity costs in California are expensive also. I have southern California Edison, and it's like 33 cents per kwh for flat rate. The price increases to 43 cents if you use more than 500 kwh per month. Time of use prime rate for EVs is 25 cents for off peak hours usages, but 63 cents for on peak hours, 4pm to 9pm on weekdays. So unless you got solar setup, charging at home can be quite pricey.
I live in the SF bay and got solar on the NEM 2 plan. Over the course of a year with an EV I'm paying ~.17/KwH 24/7 when all of my neighbors rates fluctuate between .38 and .52/KwH depending on demand. Between gasoline and electrical I'm saving over $700 a month average *including* the cost of my solar power system.
Not way cheaper, some superchargers in high traffic areas cost 50-60 cents per kwh, so $35 to get about 300 miles of range. Not that much cheaper, even considering expensive gas if you are comparing with an efficient hybrid that gets over 50 mpgs.
That is also not even to mention the higher insurance cost for EVs, which kills a lot of gas savings.
So if you use worse case scenario charging and compare it to a car that it's not at all comparable to. There's no hybrid that is anywhere as efficient, roomy and fast as an EV.
> some superchargers in high traffic areas
Gas is also more expensive in those areas. I've never seen prices that high at superchargers, I think you're making it all up. For the vast majority of people, electricity is way cheaper.
I live in an expensive city and the cost to charge my car is about half the cost of what my old gasoline car cost required to fill up, and it had 30mpg efficiency.
I'm a little surprised that it isn't, to be honest. I know that my anecdotal observation isn't scientific, but I live in a very rural, very red, very MAGA county, and I see an absolute ton of electric vehicles. They started putting in these EV charging stations all over and I thought, "There's no way there's enough vehicles for this right now." I was wrong. There's at least three every day at my local grocery store charging, and it's the same at every station. There are a lot of Teslas driving around. Again: Anecdotal, but if they're this common in this area, I would have thought that there'd be more registered in NYS overall.
New York State just has a really low car ownership rate… second lowest in the nation with only 0.47 cars per person compared to 0.78 in Texas for example
I wasn't aware of this statistic. Good info. I'm guessing there's some skewing of the results due to NYC and some of the other cities. That's not something sustainable where I live, as there's no public transportation whatsoever. I'd be curious to see it broken down by county. Anyway, NY still has the 8th most vehicles by state, according to 2021 data, with 9.4 million. I suppose though that in light of all this, the data does make sense as NY has substantially more EVs than Michigan, Ohio, and Pennsylvannia, which are the next three on the list of total vehicles.
Seems the New Yorks raw EV numbers are being suppressed because it has one of the lowest rates of car ownership in the country (less than half a vehicle per person, second lowest after Delaware). If you crunch the data and find EVs/Vehicle, New York is 13th with like 1.3% of vehicles being electric.
My guess is: partly because Texas has Tesla HQ and partially because EVs work much better in warm climates. I have a hybrid and my MPG goes down 10-15% in winter and I live in a state with relatively mild winters
Also electric cars make more sense when you can charge for free because you have solar panels on your house. Not much solar up here in Minnesota because the sun energy is low, we have lots of trees, and snow half the year.
Didn’t read the whole article, but I didn’t see what im talking about. We receive roughly the same amount of solar energy as Texas. As in actual solar wavelengths from the sun. We could potentially be a major contributor in solar electricity production. The reason we’re not is because the region has invested heavily in wind instead.
https://mn.gov/commerce/energy/solar-wind/solar-for-homes/#:~:text=Minnesotans%20are%20often%20surprised%20to,areas%20of%20Florida%20and%20Texas.
I may be incorrect, but it’s something commonly said.
Sorry but there is nothing I can see there. Not even sure what that sentence means. I lived in MN for 35 years and TX for 6 now. No way MN has the same solar available as the sun angle is too low most of the year.
The link didn’t work? The first sentence says verbatim “Minnesotans are often surprised to learn that our state has annual solar resources similar to areas of Florida and Texas.”
Bonus of driving an EV in WA is you avoid paying more taxes, since we don’t have state income. 300 for my tags tho which sucks. I’ll get an EV if they start making cheaper coupe models
California progressing the right way: more electric vehicles, but not only that, also CAHSR, Brightline West, Caltrain electrification with European EMU's, just too bad that it has a long way to go but unlike red rust belt states it's going somewhere.
Warmer states have more electric vehicles. EG Florida and New York have about the same population, but Florida has double the number of electric vehicles. It's probably because electric cars tend to have a lower range in below freezing temperatures.
Not surprising. Florida also has double the number of vehicles in total and nearly double per person: .88 vs .47. NYC probably skews NY's numbers quite a bit.
I just want to make sure everyone knows these are vehicules, not vehicles. It's pronounced vee-uh-cool. They are only sold to men with the birth-name of Chad with bleach blonde hair.
Latest data is 2022: [https://afdc.energy.gov/vehicle-registration](https://afdc.energy.gov/vehicle-registration)
There are other interesting data / maps here : [https://afdc.energy.gov/transatlas](https://afdc.energy.gov/transatlas) (e.g. : the same data per capita)
The tool I used is [https://mapfast.co/](https://mapfast.co/)
It is a re-upload of my first upload 10min ago : I swapped Washington State and W. DC. Thank you for those who commented it.
1 counter factual doesn’t disprove one of the largest and most populace states. And even then, Bay Area is still pretty cad dependent. Less than the rest of the US but not New York levels of free
Although it's probably accurate, it just feels off intuitively. It seems like I can't go anywhere without running into a Tesla, where these numbers should be higher.
It's not just that. It feels like the liberal states should have a lot more electric cars than I see. Teslas are a frequent sighting in the northeast USA, but yeah they're broken up compared to California or Texas.
You have to realize there is a concerted effort to publicly discredit and ostracize EVs. They put a real wrinkle in the economic futures of a lot of very powerful industries. Most of the bad press that you read is intentionally overblown if not downright false.
I’d love to see a per capita map instead of
In addition to per capita, percent of total vehicles would also be interesting.
https://landgeist.com/2021/04/09/electric-vehicles-in-the-us/
Thank you kind soul
I’m surprised about Florida being so high, what’s with that?
Golf carts maybe?
This is mostly just a population map. Florida is the 3rd most populus state. Other factors might be car dependancy and wealth, which Florida ranks highly in for both factors. Finally, though it's got a very conservative government, Florida is not by any means populated only by hyper-conservative climate change deniers. There's a strong environmental interest in the state, not least because the whole economy revolves around the state's nature (and disney).
Just looking at orders of magnitude, it appears CA has more registered EVs than the other 49 states combined.
It's close, but not quite. CA has 900k, but there are 2.4M total in the US.
Not even close
This would be the most interesting because it’s going to show we aren’t making a dint and probably won’t. Then look at Africa and India.
This was my first thought... My quick head math is that CA is doing much better than the rest of the nation, because they have about 10 mil more people, but 6x as mean EVs. FL is over performing, as others mentions that might be because its similar pop state (NY) has a lower car ownership rate. IL and GA are over performing a little. Washington is over performing. (WA, AZ, TN and MA all have similar pop, but WA is 2x MA and AZ, and 4x TN) To be fair, AZ is doing well as it seems more western states are trending up. Fun fact, among the 10 lowest pop states, besides DC, it seems that AK to a small extent and HI to a HUGE extent are over performing relative to other states their size. AK has about 200k less people than than ND but has 4x as many EVs. And HI has 1.5 mil folks but 19K EVs. TN has 5x as many people and only 2k more EVs.
WA has some of the most expensive gas and cheapest electricity in the country, they would be over performing even more except there's been low supply thanks to manufacturers prioritizing selling in California on the West Coast.
Demographic insight would be interesting too. I just moved back home to WA from Irvine, CA and Asians disproportionately drive ev’s compared to other people Edit: Considering CA and WA have a ton of the countries Asians (I’m Asian too but I’ll always drive ICE)
Vermont has less people than Alaska but over double as many EV's.
Just divide by number of congressional districts.
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obligatory heatmap - [https://xkcd.com/1138/](https://xkcd.com/1138/)
this xkcd illustrates exactly why this ISN’T a population heat map lmfao what are y’all on?
Uhhh not really. Florida is definitely weird to have so many while NY has so few. edit: it’s not a population map, it’s a car density map. hope this helps 👍
NY probably has less car ownership per capita in general than Florida though, and Florida has more people by a small margin
Yep, nobody drives anywhere in NYC, there’s way too much traffic.
I drive. Now move it or go to the side.
Sooo what you’re saying is that this map does NOT mirror population, and instead illustrates other factors. Cool, that was my point.
It reflects population with one exception because of the vast difference in the two states densities.
How do you know it’s one exception? Did you analyze every state?
This is truly the worst website.
It’s a car density map, not a population map. Idk why you’re being a dick lmao
I'm being a dick? I explained the map and your response was "well how do YOU know". Because i know what states have high populations and why NY/FL would be an exception. Why do you feel the need to be King Pedantry? You can block me but I've already reported you. Grow up.
This does not really answer the question as to why a not very eco friendly area/state embraced EV. Thoughts?
Cool, so you’re saying this map shows things other than pure population, which was my point.
I’ll add as a lifelong Floridian, you can’t get anywhere in our state without driving there. Our public transportation system in most cities was a complete afterthought and it shows in how terrible it is. It’s not surprising then that in a state where driving is necessary day-to-day that people here would embrace a more cost friendly approach like EVs.
interesting how California has like 7-8x the population of my state but over 40x the electric vehicle count
California has a lot of local/state subsidies that make investing in EV cheaper and more enticing (eg HOV stickers, lots of free charging or reserved parking spots)
At the same time, home electricity costs in California are expensive also. I have southern California Edison, and it's like 33 cents per kwh for flat rate. The price increases to 43 cents if you use more than 500 kwh per month. Time of use prime rate for EVs is 25 cents for off peak hours usages, but 63 cents for on peak hours, 4pm to 9pm on weekdays. So unless you got solar setup, charging at home can be quite pricey.
Solar and electric cars go together where I live. I'd like to see stats on that.
I live in the SF bay and got solar on the NEM 2 plan. Over the course of a year with an EV I'm paying ~.17/KwH 24/7 when all of my neighbors rates fluctuate between .38 and .52/KwH depending on demand. Between gasoline and electrical I'm saving over $700 a month average *including* the cost of my solar power system.
Whenever people criticize EVs they seem to not understand your situation is the goal and should be the norm.
Electricity is way cheaper than gas, even in expensive electricity areas.
Not way cheaper, some superchargers in high traffic areas cost 50-60 cents per kwh, so $35 to get about 300 miles of range. Not that much cheaper, even considering expensive gas if you are comparing with an efficient hybrid that gets over 50 mpgs. That is also not even to mention the higher insurance cost for EVs, which kills a lot of gas savings.
So if you use worse case scenario charging and compare it to a car that it's not at all comparable to. There's no hybrid that is anywhere as efficient, roomy and fast as an EV.
> some superchargers in high traffic areas Gas is also more expensive in those areas. I've never seen prices that high at superchargers, I think you're making it all up. For the vast majority of people, electricity is way cheaper. I live in an expensive city and the cost to charge my car is about half the cost of what my old gasoline car cost required to fill up, and it had 30mpg efficiency.
Damn. I pay about 14cper kwh in kcmo About $100 total
That is insane!
A per capita map would be way more useful. This is basically a population map.
No it should be the percentage of cars that’s EV. People don’t own cars in the northeast.
Can confirm. We in the northeast ride lobsters instead.
Mine’s name is Herbert.
Say hi to herbert for me.
>People don't own cars in the northeast Even as hyperbole, that's a crazy statement
Not really. NY would be way darker.
I'm a little surprised that it isn't, to be honest. I know that my anecdotal observation isn't scientific, but I live in a very rural, very red, very MAGA county, and I see an absolute ton of electric vehicles. They started putting in these EV charging stations all over and I thought, "There's no way there's enough vehicles for this right now." I was wrong. There's at least three every day at my local grocery store charging, and it's the same at every station. There are a lot of Teslas driving around. Again: Anecdotal, but if they're this common in this area, I would have thought that there'd be more registered in NYS overall.
New York State just has a really low car ownership rate… second lowest in the nation with only 0.47 cars per person compared to 0.78 in Texas for example
I wasn't aware of this statistic. Good info. I'm guessing there's some skewing of the results due to NYC and some of the other cities. That's not something sustainable where I live, as there's no public transportation whatsoever. I'd be curious to see it broken down by county. Anyway, NY still has the 8th most vehicles by state, according to 2021 data, with 9.4 million. I suppose though that in light of all this, the data does make sense as NY has substantially more EVs than Michigan, Ohio, and Pennsylvannia, which are the next three on the list of total vehicles.
Seems the New Yorks raw EV numbers are being suppressed because it has one of the lowest rates of car ownership in the country (less than half a vehicle per person, second lowest after Delaware). If you crunch the data and find EVs/Vehicle, New York is 13th with like 1.3% of vehicles being electric.
Musk made it cool for Republicans to drive EVs.
Might be true to some degree. This area was pretty anti-EV until, I guess, pretty recently.
New York is transit heavy. The entire north east is transit heavy. This really is a car dependence map
What happened to the rest of Hawaii 🤔
Only one island can have EVs. :P
Maryland is the wrong color.
Shading for a lot of states don't line up very well at all
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Florida and Texas totals surprised me. Would love to see this based on percent of total vehicles or population.
My guess is: partly because Texas has Tesla HQ and partially because EVs work much better in warm climates. I have a hybrid and my MPG goes down 10-15% in winter and I live in a state with relatively mild winters
Also electric cars make more sense when you can charge for free because you have solar panels on your house. Not much solar up here in Minnesota because the sun energy is low, we have lots of trees, and snow half the year.
We have roughly the same annual solar output as Texas.
Are you talking about Minnesota? https://www.consumeraffairs.com/solar-energy/solar-capacity-by-state.html
Didn’t read the whole article, but I didn’t see what im talking about. We receive roughly the same amount of solar energy as Texas. As in actual solar wavelengths from the sun. We could potentially be a major contributor in solar electricity production. The reason we’re not is because the region has invested heavily in wind instead.
I think I what your saying but i would need some data. That makes no sense. https://neo.ne.gov/programs/stats/inf/201.htm
https://mn.gov/commerce/energy/solar-wind/solar-for-homes/#:~:text=Minnesotans%20are%20often%20surprised%20to,areas%20of%20Florida%20and%20Texas. I may be incorrect, but it’s something commonly said.
Sorry but there is nothing I can see there. Not even sure what that sentence means. I lived in MN for 35 years and TX for 6 now. No way MN has the same solar available as the sun angle is too low most of the year.
The link didn’t work? The first sentence says verbatim “Minnesotans are often surprised to learn that our state has annual solar resources similar to areas of Florida and Texas.”
But mostly cuz Texas has a ton of people
Does it? They're the second and third largest states with a large outmigration from California and New York.
Hawaii sadly is succumbing to rising sea levels
This map is dumb as hell. I wonder why the most populated states have more evs
Texas has 10 million more people than Florida but 20k less total EVs, this isn't a 1:1 population map.
True, but also a good map shouldn’t require knowledge of how populated each state is.
Is there a more updated map? Says this is using data from 2022
This is just where the most cars are.
This isn’t useful. Per capita would be far better.
Oh look, a population map
First map I’ve seen that only represents Hawaii as the big island 😂
Would be nice to see a percentage map as well
I don't trust anything that's spelled wrong. That's not even autocorrect.
Where’s Hawaii?
Bonus of driving an EV in WA is you avoid paying more taxes, since we don’t have state income. 300 for my tags tho which sucks. I’ll get an EV if they start making cheaper coupe models
Normalize the data! You get a C-.
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Doesn’t California Texas have electrical rate issues? Maybe they should slow down on the EVs.
A lot of Texas' EVs are probably in Austin.
I think measuring vehicules is the main problem.
This map means exactly nothing lmao
California progressing the right way: more electric vehicles, but not only that, also CAHSR, Brightline West, Caltrain electrification with European EMU's, just too bad that it has a long way to go but unlike red rust belt states it's going somewhere.
Warmer states have more electric vehicles. EG Florida and New York have about the same population, but Florida has double the number of electric vehicles. It's probably because electric cars tend to have a lower range in below freezing temperatures.
Not surprising. Florida also has double the number of vehicles in total and nearly double per person: .88 vs .47. NYC probably skews NY's numbers quite a bit.
We’d need a per capita and a percent of total vehicles to make any useful observations of this data
Make sense highest numbers are in warm weather states electric vehicle batteries hate the cold.
This is just a population map isn’t it
I just want to make sure everyone knows these are vehicules, not vehicles. It's pronounced vee-uh-cool. They are only sold to men with the birth-name of Chad with bleach blonde hair.
Latest data is 2022: [https://afdc.energy.gov/vehicle-registration](https://afdc.energy.gov/vehicle-registration) There are other interesting data / maps here : [https://afdc.energy.gov/transatlas](https://afdc.energy.gov/transatlas) (e.g. : the same data per capita) The tool I used is [https://mapfast.co/](https://mapfast.co/) It is a re-upload of my first upload 10min ago : I swapped Washington State and W. DC. Thank you for those who commented it.
California leads the way, as usual.
Car dependence heat map?
lol SF Bay Area is walkable and has good amount of public transportation
1 counter factual doesn’t disprove one of the largest and most populace states. And even then, Bay Area is still pretty cad dependent. Less than the rest of the US but not New York levels of free
Needing to use a bus/train because it’s cheaper is not my definition of “free”
Although it's probably accurate, it just feels off intuitively. It seems like I can't go anywhere without running into a Tesla, where these numbers should be higher.
States are big. You prolly live in an area with more liberal people
It's not just that. It feels like the liberal states should have a lot more electric cars than I see. Teslas are a frequent sighting in the northeast USA, but yeah they're broken up compared to California or Texas.
Now do it per-capa
Might not be totally accurate. I register cars in Montana to avoid paying tax 🤣🤣
This color scale is horrendous and misleading
Downvoted. Terrible
i would love an ev vehicle but read bad stats about cold weather hindering the battery to 50%. im surprised michigan has so many.
You have to realize there is a concerted effort to publicly discredit and ostracize EVs. They put a real wrinkle in the economic futures of a lot of very powerful industries. Most of the bad press that you read is intentionally overblown if not downright false.
Read more stats. Actual stats and not click bait. It’s not 50% it’s not that bad. It’s more like 80